Coming from the evo I can tell you I had never heard of Odin or anything like that. My question is this : I am rooted on stock now (yes I have superuser, yes I have Cwm recovery.) But I wanna flash another rom. To do that, do I have to use Odin? Or can I just dl the zip file for the Rom, flash it and go on with my life?
Also, when I flash the rom will it change my recovery? Do roms come with their own kernels? And.if they do: do those kernels come with their own recoveries?
Sorry if its wordy but I'm kinda lost Lol
Thanks!
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Samsung is not like other platforms where the recovery and android kernels are separate. The same kernel used for Android is used for Recovery. Also when people here refer to kernel/zImage, they actually are referring to the kernel+initramfs (not the core linux kernel only)
The true linux kernel doesn't decide recovery, but since initramfs is packed with the kernel with the whole think being flash together, effectively you get whatever recovery came with the zImage you flash.
You can just flash the ROMs from CWM. No need for ODIN.
Some ROMs include kernels, some don't. If the ROM came with a kernel, you'll get whatever recovery that kernel came with.
sfhub said:
Samsung is not like other platforms where the recovery and android kernels are separate. The same kernel used for Android is used for Recovery. Also when people here refer to kernel/zImage, they actually are referring to the kernel+initramfs (not the core linux kernel only)
The true linux kernel doesn't decide recovery, but since initramfs is packed with the kernel with the whole think being flash together, effectively you get whatever recovery came with the zImage you flash.
You can just flash the ROMs from CWM. No need for ODIN.
Some ROMs include kernels, some don't. If the ROM came with a kernel, you'll get whatever recovery that kernel came with.
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First of all, thanks for replying so.quickly. secondly, will my nandroids work? Because if I make a nandroid now, it'll get saved with cwm but what if I flash a new rom? Will I be able to restore this nandroid from that new recovery? If so, will the nandroid restore take me back to the recovery I have now?
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First of all, thanks for replying so.quickly. secondly, will my nandroids work? Because if I make a nandroid now, it'll get saved with cwm but what if I flash a new rom? Will I be able to restore this nandroid from that new recovery? If so, will the nandroid restore take me back to the recovery I have now?
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You should be able to restore them. The only issue might be some versions of CWM can look for the NANDROID backups on internal and external SD and some only look on external.
All the CWM/kernels in the Auto Root sticky can look for them in the internal and external SD and as long as you have root you can install one of those kernels (EG30+CWM, EG31+CWM and EK02+CWM are included) You can even install from the phone without a PC using terminal after copying the files to sdcard.
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i currently have the evo 4g and am considering a switch to the epic. i am very familiar with flashing custom roms, splash images etc on the evo, but i know that samsung phones have a different method.
can anyone lay out these differences for me or link me to somewhere that does?
thanks
Honestly I think the epic is a simpler device to root/ flash roms with. Epic does not have the nand locked down so a simple one click root method found in the dev stickies is all that's needed. It roots the phone and installs clockwoek recovery all in one shot. After that you just pick which rom/kernal you want and flash it through clockwork. No need to flash seperate wimax/radio files because they're included in the kernal of whichever rom you choose or kernal you decide to flash. And your done. Clockwork also has backup/ restore options just in case you mess something up. You have the clockwork 2.5 which is the stock file system (RFS) which only a few devs still use and the latest clockwork 3.0.0.5/6 which uses EXT4 file system which increases the overall speed of the phone. This is what most devs are moving too just because of the speed increase. Sorry can't realy link you to any specific threads because of the xda app but hope this helps a bit.
Just a side note, any zips flashed through clockwork (themes,bootanimations,etc) have to be compatible with the system you are using. Like I said before most devs are going the 3.0.0.5/6 route so all zips will be compatible. Reason I say all is because you can also flash 2.5 zips through 3.0.0.5/6. But you can't flash 3.0.0.5./6 compatible zips through 2.5 clockwork. Hope this makes sense. The dev section has both threads stickied at the top so you can decide for yourself. Personally I use 3.0.0.5/6 ext4 with syndicate frozen rom/twilight kernal. Fast and very stable for me.
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so im guessing a wipe is still required in between roms. and is the rom memory ext 4 or is that partitioning the sd card?
drew16 said:
i currently have the evo 4g and am considering a switch to the epic. i am very familiar with flashing custom roms, splash images etc on the evo, but i know that samsung phones have a different method.
can anyone lay out these differences for me or link me to somewhere that does?
thanks
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It is very similar with one huge exception. ODIN. With HTC devices, everything seems to come with the ROM zip file. With the Epic, if you are up or downgrading android versions, you need to an app called ODIN on your PC. Odin basically allows you to push files to your device via your PC allowing you to revert back to stock or install different modems for different android version (2.1, 2.2 etc)
For instance if you purchase an Epic with 2.1 preloaded and you want to flash a custom built ROM based on the new 2.2.1 release coming out tomorrow, you would have to flash the modem via Odin by putting your phone into "Download mode", plugging your phone into your computer, running Odin, then flash the modem.
After that, you can use a recovery Rom like clockwork to wipe and flash the custom ROM. If you just flashed the ROM without using Odin you would either boot-loop, stay stuck at the Samsung splash-screen, or boot into the Rom with no functioning radios. I have had all of these happen before but fortunately you can do more then just flash modems via ODIN you can restore back to stock making our phones virtually brick proof. Odin really is a pretty kick ass part about having an epic.
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so im guessing a wipe is still required in between roms. and is the rom memory ext 4 or is that partitioning the sd card?
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Depending on what version of Clockwork you flash you phone will either be formatted to EXT4 or stay at RFS. That is the formatting of the NAND chip not the SD CARD. Returning to stock via ODIN wipes the recovery rom and reverts the phone back to RFS.
thanks for the info! im guessing the modem your referring to is essentially the radios... or is it a stock update that must be added before a custom rom?
I have both phones and I think they are about the same really simple to work with if you can flash one the other will be no problem just an extra button to deal with on the epic
We all know by now that trying to flash a ICS rom through an ICS recovery is a pretty quick way to brick your phone. The preferred way of going to ICS (At least AOSP based roms) is to go back to stock EL 26/9 CMW recovery and flash away.
Once you're on ICS, do you Odin a new recovery? EL26/9 or the latest kernel recovery combo?
The recovery and kernels are baked in together so there doesn't appear to be a way to use an older recovery with a newer kernel. (Correct me if I'm wrong).
Is anyone using the FC22 Rogue recovery? Is it safe for backup/restores at least?
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We all know by now that trying to flash a ICS rom through an ICS recovery is a pretty quick way to brick your phone. The preferred way of going to ICS (At least AOSP based roms) is to go back to stock EL 26/9 CMW recovery and flash away.
Once you're on ICS, do you Odin a new recovery? EL26/9 or the latest kernel recovery combo?
The recovery and kernels are baked in together so there doesn't appear to be a way to use an older recovery with a newer kernel. (Correct me if I'm wrong).
Is anyone using the FC22 Rogue recovery? Is it safe for backup/restores at least?
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If you were told not to install with it do you think you should restore with it... best thing is to not use a ics recovery for anything..don't even boot into it...they have bricked
Phones by doing multiple things..be safe and Odin a GB kernel boot into recovery and backup there and keep a ics kernel ...you can restore the backup of ics from GB and then flash the ics kernel back and then boot.
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I appreciate the response
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If you were told not to install with it do you think you should restore with it
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I have no idea how they function. That's why I asked. The process to flash a zip could be completely different than the process to restore. One could be totally capable while the other is not. I can't verify that the restore process is the same as the flash process or not. Can you?
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I appreciate the response
I have no idea how they function. That's why I asked. The process to flash a zip could be completely different than the process to restore. One could be totally capable while the other is not. I can't verify that the restore process is the same as the flash process or not. Can you?
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It is basically saving your setup with everything like a ROM ... You can take a backup and make a ROM out of it easily ...it's just like flashing a ROM....but mostly it's the fact that Samsung moved the data partition just a little and if you wipe data on a ics it seems to damage the partition physically somehow because even a jtag write will not work .
I would advise anyone messing with ics to have insurance right now these are extremely experimental and can brick from multiple things . Be safe
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I just got my replacement(after a hard brick trying JB) and I've got a few questions before I brick this one too:
1. Ive decided to odin EL29 EVERY TIME I want to flash a new rom, just to be safe. If I use CMW with EL29 and decide to try out CM9, Do I always need to flash a aokp kernel? Or is that built into the CM9 install?
2. If I like CM9, and want to make a nandroid backup of it, do I need to Odin back to EL29 first to back it up? Or is it safe to do it with the recovery that comes with CM9?
3. If the answer to #2 is yes, meaning I do have to odin back to EL29, how do I restore my backup? Let me explain:Lets say I flash CM9, make a nandroid of CM9, then decide to try out say a different rom, like a TW rom. Then I hate the TW rom and wanna restore my backup of CM9. Do I need to ODIN back to EL29 to restore the nandroid? I read in the "how not to brick my..." thread its bad to restore a ICS rom from a GB Kernel. Can someone please explain?
Ive really, really tried to search and read as much as possible before asking, but a lot of the threads are old and have contradicting information. Sorry for being so noobish but I dont wanna brick my new phone. I come from Evo, Evo3d, Hp Touchpad, etc, where there arent as many issues to flash customs roms. Ive rooted and flashed custom roms ever since the PPC6600, 100's of times and NEVER had a problem. Sorry, this just really confuses me for some reason!!!
You really don't need to Odin back to el29 but if you wanna play it safe and not brick just Odin the el26 kernel and flash from there thats all you can flash from internal and from external, I don't have anything against other devs ics kernel but I just like to keep it safe even if I'm on a jb from I use the kernel that's on that jb kernel to flash the el26 reboot recovery and start flashing or restoring backups I do use the ics or jb kernels to flash but not to flash roms.
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vinscuzzy said:
I just got my replacement(after a hard brick trying JB) and I've got a few questions before I brick this one too:
1. Ive decided to odin EL29 EVERY TIME I want to flash a new rom, just to be safe. If I use CMW with EL29 and decide to try out CM9, Do I always need to flash a aokp kernel? Or is that built into the CM9 install?
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A kernel is already included with CM9, so there's no need to flash anything else. However, if you'd like to use one of chris41g's custom kernels like RC10-CWM6 or RC11-TWRP, you're welcome to flash them during your ROM flash session or after the fact.
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2. If I like CM9, and want to make a nandroid backup of it, do I need to Odin back to EL29 first to back it up? Or is it safe to do it with the recovery that comes with CM9?
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It's always safe to make a Nandroid backup, regardless of the kernel/recovery on your phone. Where a problem could potentially arise is on a Nandroid restore, because the restore function formats the EMMC. However, it should be perfectly safe to restore a Nandroid backup using the kernel/recovery included with CM9. The bottom line is, you want to make sure that if the kernel/recovery on your phone that your using to restore the backup is based on ICS, that it's been properly patched for EMMC lock safety.
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3. If the answer to #2 is yes, meaning I do have to odin back to EL29, how do I restore my backup? Let me explain:Lets say I flash CM9, make a nandroid of CM9, then decide to try out say a different rom, like a TW rom. Then I hate the TW rom and wanna restore my backup of CM9. Do I need to ODIN back to EL29 to restore the nandroid? I read in the "how not to brick my..." thread its bad to restore a ICS rom from a GB Kernel. Can someone please explain?
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If you want to be extra careful, and only use a GB based kernel/recovery like EL26 to restore your Nandroid backups, you would Mobile Odin the EL26 kernel+CWM, hold down the power button or pull the battery on the reboot, then boot into that recovery and restore your backup. Whatever kernel/recovery was in your backup will overwrite the EL26 kernel and that will be the new kernel/recovery on your phone when you reboot.
Thanks for the quick responses. Still kinda confused. :angel:
Do I have to use mobile Odin for what you explained in #3? And is mobile Odin as safe as pc Odin?
And, would it be safe to have the el26 kernel on my card and just flash that(with recovery, not odin) everytime I wanna do any flashing/wiping?
I feel so stupid!! Maybe someone could write down THEIR step by step "safe" procedure on flashing/wiping a new rom and backing up/restoring, and ill just follow that. :laugh:
Here's the step by step safe method
1: get mobile Odin or mobile Odin pro
2: download the flash kernel from mobile Odin pro
2a: if using mobile Odin download the flash kernel for sph-d710 from chainfires mobile Odin thread
3: download el26+cwm kernel.tar to your PC
4: copy kernel to SD card and keep a copy on your PC in case of an oh sh!t moment
5: download a cm9 compatible kernel.zip(you will need this in recovery)
6: backup mobile Odin and it's data in titanium backup or similar app
7: open mobile Odin and choose the el26+cwm kernel.tar
8: flash kernel.tar with flash firmware option in mobile Odin
9: when the device reboots hold vol+ and power til you boot to recovery(or pull battery then boot to recovery)
10: flash cm9 kernel.zip in recovery
11: make nandroid backup
12: reboot to cm9
12a: if you forgot to flash the cm9 kernel before making the nandroid flash it now to boot cm9
12b: if kernel wasn't flashed before making nandroid, when u restore the nandroid flash the kernel before rebooting.
13: profit!
These steps work for any rom 4.0.3 and above with very minimal chance of bricking, since el26+cwm is considered immune to the brick bug
We are legion, for we are many.
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vinscuzzy said:
Thanks for the quick responses. Still kinda confused. :angel:
Do I have to use mobile Odin for what you explained in #3? And is mobile Odin as safe as pc Odin?
And, would it be safe to have the el26 kernel on my card and just flash that(with recovery, not odin) everytime I wanna do any flashing/wiping?
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I think it's been proven via user experience that Mobile Odin is a safe as PC Odin. In fact, one could make the argument that its safer, as there's no way to kick out the cord during a flash, or stick the wrong file in the wrong slot. The only negative to it is it will not flash modem files on CDMA devices like ours.
Mobile Odin is generally preferred to temp flash a GB kernel because 1) it's easier and 2) it doesn't trigger the yellow triangle or increase the Odin flash count like PC Odin does when you flash a kernel that has not been signed by Samsung. So while being easier, MO makes life even easier by not having to fix those two issues later.
So with that said, yes it's a good idea to keep the EL26+CWM5.zip file on your sd card at all times. Mine is always there, hanging out and drinking beers with Calkulin's Format All zip.
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Here's the step by step safe method
1: get mobile Odin or mobile Odin pro
2: download the flash kernel from mobile Odin pro
2a: if using mobile Odin download the flash kernel for sph-d710 from chainfires mobile Odin thread
3: download el26+cwm kernel.tar to your PC
4: copy kernel to SD card and keep a copy on your PC in case of an oh sh!t moment
5: download a cm9 compatible kernel.zip(you will need this in recovery)
6: backup mobile Odin and it's data in titanium backup or similar app
7: open mobile Odin and choose the el26+cwm kernel.tar
8: flash kernel.tar with flash firmware option in mobile Odin
9: when the device reboots hold vol+ and power til you boot to recovery(or pull battery then boot to recovery)
10: flash cm9 kernel.zip in recovery
11: make nandroid backup
12: reboot to cm9
12a: if you forgot to flash the cm9 kernel before making the nandroid flash it now to boot cm9
12b: if kernel wasn't flashed before making nandroid, when u restore the nandroid flash the kernel before rebooting.
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Awesome man, thanks so much for clarifying!
So from here on out, if want to flash ANY other rom, aosp or TW, I'd:
Follow steps 7-9, then wipe(data,cache,dalvik) then flash the rom right?
And if I'm NOT making a nandroid backup, skip 10-12?
Also, should steps 7-9 be repeated if I'm restoring a backup?
I mobile odin the el26 kernel for testing the Jelly Bean roms but since I have not been returning to stock and only going between CM9 Nightlies I have been doing it from CWM 1 or more times a day. CM9 alpha 6 has a safe recovery and all the of the nightlies as well. There was a couple of mismerged versions of Chris41G's kernel that were safe to wipe from but unsafe to flash unsafe roms from.
CM9 Alpha 5 for example has an unsafe updater binary while Alpha 6 does not, I would never flash Alpha 5 from an ICS kernel unless that kernel is one that replaces updater binaries for flashing.
When in doubt EL26 CWM. The rest of the time just use a safe kernel and a known safe rom.
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Awesome man, thanks so much for clarifying!
So from here on out, if want to flash ANY other rom, aosp or TW, I'd:
Follow steps 7-9, then wipe(data,cache,dalvik) then flash the rom right?
And if I'm NOT making a nandroid backup, skip 10-12?
Also, should steps 7-9 be repeated if I'm restoring a backup?
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You will still need to flash an ics kernel in cwm to get it to boot after flashing el26 to use recovery unless you are freshly installing a rom cuz it will include a kernel in the rom zip. I just mOdin el26+cwm anytime I need to use recovery. But yeah you have to steps right. If you ever end up in a boot loop having the el26 tar on your PC is your go to to get back into recovery when you can't boot android to use mOdin
We are legion, for we are many.
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-EViL-KoNCEPTz- said:
You will still need to flash an ics kernel in cwm to get it to boot after flashing el26 to use recovery unless you are freshly installing a rom cuz it will include a kernel in the rom zip. I just mOdin el26+cwm anytime I need to use recovery. But yeah you have to steps right. If you ever end up in a boot loop having the el26 tar on your PC is your go to to get back into recovery when you can't boot android to use mOdin
We are legion, for we are many.
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Thanks again for ALL the responses!
OK, think I'm getting a handle on all of this now. Will it ever get to a point where its just safe all the time to flash roms? It'd be cool if someone came up with an app that could scan the .zips to make sure they're safe. Or, why don't devs just always use .tar files to flash through Odin instead of zips through recovery? OR Is it a big pain to make .tar files?
P.s. I hope that didn't sound at all condescending to any of the wonderful devs. I'm just curious and obviously new to Samsung, and they're flashing procedures. :angel:
They do have tars available you have to flash them threw PC Odin. Zips are usually safe & handy on the go when your away from the computer with CWM & M. Odin just flash & go! Options are always good...
vinscuzzy said:
Thanks again for ALL the responses!
OK, think I'm getting a handle on all of this now. Will it ever get to a point where its just safe all the time to flash roms? It'd be cool if someone came up with an app that could scan the .zips to make sure they're safe. Or, why don't devs just always use .tar files to flash through Odin instead of zips through recovery? OR Is it a big pain to make .tar files?
P.s. I hope that didn't sound at all condescending to any of the wonderful devs. I'm just curious and obviously new to Samsung, and they're flashing procedures. :angel:
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The emmc bug is a Samsung issue and, while trigged by the emmc_cap_erase code in ICS kernels during wipes, is actually located in the firmware for the emmc controller itself. As such its not likely we'll ever have a true "fix" for it as it would require Samsung to 1. Directly admit fault... and 2. Somehow patch the affected firmware... What we have now are basically known-good workarounds, essentially the "safe" kernels have the code that triggers the bug removed. These are more than sufficient, and a huge thanks to the kernel devs who've made ICS flashing possible and to sfhub/entropy512/garwynn and others who did the research on the emmc bug and figured out how it was triggered...
So that said the rom you are flashing shouldn't have a whole hell of a lot to do with whether it is safe or now, all that matters is how the kernel you are on handles the wipe when flashing, as that is the point at which the emmc bug is triggered.
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Wow, there are some really well written, intelligent, and we'll informed replies in this thread. What the hell is going on around here?
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I have some questions and need help fast if possible. I'm currently on CM10 beta 2 and only have a nandroid backup from being stock rooted. I know you can't simply restore a backup from jelly bean to ICS. I was playing with ROM Toolbox, and was installing some custom transitions. I did a backup of the stock transitions, but the zip backup file won't flash in recovery. Anyway I can't boot up and only get the Galaxy S II boot screen. I can however get into download and CM CWM based recovery. I've done quite a few searches, with no real answers for this issue. Any help will be greatly apreciated because I don't have my phone until I figure out exactly what to do. Do I have to download a stock ROM with cusom kernel to computer then transfer over file via usb using Odin and then use CWM to flash the stock ROM? I know not to do a factory wipe unless I'm on el26 or 29. I also know you can odin to them then flash, but all the odin kernels with CWM are from ICS and I can't find a solid method for my specific situation.
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I have some questions and need help fast if possible. I'm currently on CM10 beta 2 and only have a nandroid backup from being stock rooted. I know you can't simply restore a backup from jelly bean to ICS. I was playing with ROM Toolbox, and was installing some custom transitions. I did a backup of the stock transitions, but the zip backup file won't flash in recovery. Anyway I can't boot up and only get the Galaxy S II boot screen. I can however get into download and CM CWM based recovery. I've done quite a few searches, with no real answers for this issue. Any help will be greatly apreciated because I don't have my phone until I figure out exactly what to do. Do I have to download a stock ROM with cusom kernel to computer then transfer over file via usb using Odin and then use CWM to flash the stock ROM? I know not to do a factory wipe unless I'm on el26 or 29. I also know you can odin to them then flash, but all the odin kernels with CWM are from ICS and I can't find a solid method for my specific situation.
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Flash any one of the stock full roms using this - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1903252 Preferably flash official builds.
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Flash any one of the stock full roms using this - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1903252 Preferably flash official builds.
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Thanks Blues.
jtadak said:
Thanks Blues. But I need to flash el29 or six before flashing right? So I'm guessing I need to Odin to one? And I can do that from any ICS or JB right? So I just need the one click for PC Odin, then flash with Odin? Sorry, I just want to be 100% here.
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Use the one click.exe full rom file that will flash the full el29 gb rom. Then from there you can flash cwm to flash cm10 or whatever rom you want.
But do I have to go el29 or 26? How do I get there from where I'm at now? Thanks again, and sorry I just want to be 100% here.
Edit: Okay, great. After flashing that I obviously could do my nandroid restore? Just because I lost some pictures or something happened when I flashed to JB because I only had a few pics and none of my SMS or call logs or anything came through.
Ok, just so the thread is not a complete waste, I did flash the stock ROM via PC ODIN. Went back to stock, was able to do a nandroid restore, and went ahead and flashed CWM recovery via Mobile ODIN. Went ahead and wiped factory in CWM recovery and flashed CM10. Thanks again Blues, next time I'll just post in your noob thread. . I'm not a noob but I just never had to PC ODIN when not being able to boot and wasn't sure how safe it was in my specific state.
P.S. Any other users are more than welcome to P.M. me if you have any questions. I probably won't visit here again
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So, I have flashed CWM Recovery and CWM Touch Recovery onto my Epic 4G Touch. Rom Manager says both are installed. However, when I boot into recovery, I get the stock recovery. I've searched and searched and all I have found are people who aren't pushing the right buttons and others with junk answers that are no help at all, like instructions on how to flash the recovery.
Even if I reflash using Rom Manager or any other recovery installer, it boots to the stock recovery. It's as if any changes to the file system are being completely ignored.
The weird thing is, if I flash StockCWM-EL26 or rogue_ET-recovery-1.2.2-FB27-rc0 using Odin/Mobile Odin and get to whichever one I flashed once, then either the phone won't boot at all or subsequent reboots result in the stock recovery once again.
To reiterate, I have *no* problem booting the phone and I have *no* problem getting to recovery... it's the wrong recovery, but still.
Oh, and I'm using HyDrA ROM.
Wrong forum. Report your post & ask mods to move your thread here.
MistahBungle said:
Wrong forum. Report your post & ask mods to move your thread here.
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That forum is for the Epic 4G. My phone is not the Epic 4G, it is the Epic 4G Touch.
Try here then (doesn't belong here regardless).
WARNING do not use rom manager. Use odin or mobile odin. You have a high risk of bricking using rom manager. Take a look at some how-to's in this section.
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patrao_n said:
WARNING do not use rom manager. Use odin or mobile odin. You have a high risk of bricking using rom manager. Take a look at some how-to's in this section.
sent from MY BAD A$$ ET4G
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^^^^^ this been there done that
patrao_n said:
WARNING do not use rom manager. Use odin or mobile odin. You have a high risk of bricking using rom manager. Take a look at some how-to's in this section.
sent from MY BAD A$$ ET4G
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As I said, it either works once and never again or never at all no matter what I use to flash it.
Venum's Hydra rom? Wow, talk about a flash back..
Anyway, have you tried the el26 kernel one click?
No, but I don't imagine it would be any different than the Odin flash.
At any rate, I have an addendum. Flashing Rogue 1.2.2, the one that works - I can't get 1.5.0 to work at all (no boot, no recovery, only download mode), doesn't magically disappear, but it doesn't mount my external SD card and I can't open System Settings/Storage - I just can't win.
Would you mind listing the steps of flashing and items being flashed?
Only reason a custom won't stick is that you're flashing something behind it. In my mind at least..
First Time
<Download Mode>
Flash EL26 CWM Recovery - Phone no longer boots to OS. Can only get to CWM Recovery or Download Mode.
<Recovery Mode>
Wipe.
Flash HyDrA twice as per instructions.
Flash GApps.
Flash Multi-DPI Play Market while I'm at it.
Reboot.
Setup ROM.
Attempt to get to Recovery - got stock recovery.
Decided to try again without wiping. Same results.
Decided to try something:
<Download Mode>
Flash EL26 CWM Recovery - Phone no longer boots to OS. Can only get to CWM Recovery or Download Mode.
<Recovery Mode>
Made a NAND backup of /system and /data.
Flash HyDrA twice as per instructions.
Flash CWM Touch Recovery - Recovery takes effect immediately.
Restore the NAND backups.
Reboot.
Attempt to get to Recovery - got stock recovery.
Another thing:
<Download Mode>
Flash Rogue recovery.
Reboot.
Attempt to get to Recovery - got Rogue recovery - So far so good.
Flash CWM Touch Recovery - Recovery takes effect immediately.
Reboot.
Attempt to get to Recovery - got Rogue recovery - Interesting, but I can only access the external SD card from Recovery.
Flashed back to EL26.
Reinstalled HyDrA.
Restored the NAND backups.
(The Touch Recovery version is 5.8.1.5).
ROM Manager
Attempt to flash either CWM Recovery or CWM Touch Recovery.
Reboot.
Attempt to get to Recovery - got stock recovery.
Here is a list of my apps if you want that, too.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/k67l6mb294ruyug/apps-list.txt
I'm hesitant on trying anything else because it's a pain to restore it if I can't boot to the OS.
Just went back to Venums thread.
:edit: Briefly reading the thread, you'll need to have and AOSP kernel to run the Rom, so no, EL26 will not work.
:2d edit: This is out of the second post in that thread. - *If you are restoring a nandroid that you backed up via the above process, you will need to wipe cache and dalvik, then flash an AOSP ICS kernel or the ROM wont boot because it is backed up with the EL26 kernel. Then reboot.
Hydra comes with FD26 kernel. As per the OP.
I don't know, and haven't tested, if Hydra will run with EL26 cwm. But you need to add that to the last step.
But that's why you're going back to stock. It's part of the package.
Please, please, please; STOP using Rom Manager to flash a recovery.
I see a AOSP/TWRP repack by Times Infinity in the Kernel Repo that you could try, But I have not read the Hydra thread to see if Venum had tested this prior to discontinuing support.
egingell said:
No, but I don't imagine it would be any different than the Odin flash.
At any rate, I have an addendum. Flashing Rogue 1.2.2, the one that works - I can't get 1.5.0 to work at all (no boot, no recovery, only download mode), doesn't magically disappear, but it doesn't mount my external SD card and I can't open System Settings/Storage - I just can't win.
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The easiest thing to do is find the EL29 auto boot recovery... goes straight into recovery after you flash it thru Odin.. check RWilco's repository
bilgerryan said:
The easiest thing to do is find the EL29 auto boot recovery... goes straight into recovery after you flash it thru Odin.. check RWilco's repository
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From what I'm gathering from his OP, he wants to have a custom after flashing Hydra.. Gonna have to be an AOSP repack to run with a custom. I didn't really gather that until he listed the flashing steps he's doing.
MoHoGalore said:
I see a AOSP/TWRP repack by Times Infinity in the Kernel Repo that you could try, But I have not read the Hydra thread to see if Venum had tested this prior to discontinuing support.
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I downloaded one, I haven't tried it.
I take it back, I did try it, but it wouldn't install. FF18 Rev2, for the record.
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bilgerryan said:
The easiest thing to do is find the EL29 auto boot recovery... goes straight into recovery after you flash it thru Odin.. check RWilco's repository
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From what I'm gathering from his OP, he wants to have a custom after flashing Hydra.. Gonna have to be an AOSP repack to run with a custom. I didn't really gather that until he listed the flashing steps he's doing.
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Right. And I would have no problem just reflashing EL26 /w CWM if it would actually boot into the OS.
egingell said:
I downloaded one, I haven't tried it.
Right. And I would have no problem just reflashing EL26 /w CWM if it would actually boot into the OS.
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Yeah, anything that's not an AOSP kernel/recovery isn't gonna work. So, if Time's aosp repack doesn't work, you'll have to run the included kernel.
MoHoGalore said:
Yeah, anything that's not an AOSP kernel/recovery isn't gonna work. So, if Time's aosp repack doesn't work, you'll have to run the included kernel.
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Odin wouldn't install it, if that makes a difference. It's not that the install failed and I had to start over, again.
Well, since my touch isn't my daily use phone at the moment, I'll test that setup tonight.
I decided to try the One-Click of the FF18 v2 kernel and it flashed successfully.
However, as with Rogue, I only have no external SD card and no access to Settings/Storage. TWRP is pretty, but if I can't use my SD card, I'd rather use the stock kernel.
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I decided to try the One-Click of the FF18 v2 kernel and it flashed successfully.
However, as with Rogue, I only have no external SD card and no access to Settings/Storage. TWRP is pretty, but if I can't use my SD card, I'd rather use the stock kernel.
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My apologies on not getting back with you on this last night.
But the SD issue is also seen on the repacks with JB. Depending on when and how FF18 v2 was built (without source at the time?) could be similar to the issues with current repacks.
I'd have to refer those issues/questions to Agat or Garwynn..