I was going to post this in the requests thread, but it seems to be mostly for devices. I propose we start a forum dedicated to device security. Here are some reasons it is needed:
Mobile security has become a hot topic for news
CIQ and htc's holes were found on this forum!
Mobile devices beyond blackberry are moving into enterprise markets
Security principles extend beyond individual devices or platforms
Platform specific applications and fixes are usually not device specific
Other forums, such as Ubuntu forums have had very good success with security focused forums
Full disk, file, folder, and transfer encryption has become much more prevailant
I am sure others can come up with more reasons for starting this forum as well. Thanksfor considering it!
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Hello everyone,
I have a little suggestion to make. I think it is time to call for a "Porting Android" forum.
As I'm sure many of you are aware, there are frequent Android porting threads started all over the forum in each specific category. However a lot of our beloved deviced are based on pretty much the same hardware. Therefore, at least for me as a non programmer, it seems to make sense to try to increase collaboration between the different deviced. I am fully aware the is an IRC channel where all the developers hang out, but I think xda-developers deserves an own forum non the less, where device independent developments could be discussed and all the device specific threads could be bundled. General FAQs as how to run Android could be made sticky to avoid duplicate discussions and increase productivity. Also, maybe some of the noob questions of "when is it done" would stop once the threads are moved out of the device specific rom subforums and people would see that there is actually some development going on, even though it might be for another but similar device.
Now you can go ahead and rip my idea apart.
It would make more sense, as I have stated in the ... blackstone forum? i think? i cant keep track now, they are all basically the same, which is why I say this is a good idea instead of 15k of posts to read through, it would be 15k of more easily searchable threads.
Hi there,
I think it could be a good idea to put "all in one" forum and/or Wiki.
It would be easier for devs and noobs to find infos
I think that, if executed properly, a porting Linux/android section for each device would be very worthwhile.
There could be sticky at the top, with a simple How-to, a comprehensive FAQ, and the latest versions, and then different threads for people to collaborate and work on different features (Android Market, Cellular data/voice, hardware support, etc.). Then, there could be some kind of Questions and Answers thread, for more specific problems/questions.
Dave
The only reason I voted against this idea is because Android Porting is different with each hardware and needs to be specific to that hardware. (It comes down to drivers)
For example, I had Android working on my mogul with phone calls, messaging, net access, etc. That's not the case with my touch pro. Though Android installs on TP, none of the uses of a phone are possible yet.
To combine all potential exceptions under one location might be too cumbersome, especially considering the number of devices Android is sought out to work on.
my $0.02.
I think it would be a good idea if each phone had its own section for porting android, kinda how there is a rom development section for phones
The idea behind the thread was to create a single forum for all the android porting going on here to combine the knowledge of people working on different devices running similar hardware.
There are barely 1 or 2 threads about android for every device. Having a dedicated android section for every device would therefore be an overkill.
Hi everyone,
this issue has been discussed for a very long time and to date there is no solution.
The Problem:
Many people are frustrated with HTC-devices (Qualcomm CPUs etc) and would like to switch to other devices (non-HTC devices).
Their fear is to loose the incredible support provided at Xda-Developers. To loose all the custom ROMs, themes, hacks and so on. In my opinion, this site really adds value to HTC devices.
Previous solution suggested: Add sub-forums for non-HTC devices. BUT we all know the problems (stated probably a hundred times by admins and mods).
New solution:
My suggestion is simple. Found a new forum with a similar name or take an existing one, maybe customize the design a bit so it somehow resembles this site).
Then add a small bar at the very top of each page with a list of links in a horizontal row:
Xda-Developers --- WinMo-Developers --- [whatever]
The "Pro"s:
-Everyone asking for additional subforums for non-HTC devices could be forwarded to the new forum. Not to any forum but that specific one. So all people with non-HTC devices would gather in one place.
-Xda-Devs users would notice the bar and (probably) register in this forum as well to have another place to promote their things (for example a lot of stuff in the Dev-and-Hacking section could be used for other devices as well).
The "Con"s:
-Main problem as always...servers, money, committed people (for admin/mod-jobs)
-Some may be annoyed by the bar (although it could be kept very small; 15px or so would do)
-And of course it is up to Xda-Devs users to help in the new sister forum.
But since I know this community and all the amazing, friendly and committed people that belong to it I think many will join the new forum and help with Hard SPL, cooking etc.
I really hope the Admins consider this solution. It is not that hard to realize and nevertheless it would help.
well istarted a site a while ago
winmodevs.com
Yes, I know your site..the question is if the admins are willing to turn my idea into reality. And it also depends on you of course.
i have spoken the admin here and all im willing to say is ive not been told that there wil never be some sort of recognition between boards at a professional level just not yet
i have a link to xda on my homepage already
I´ll wait for the reply of an admin, let´s see.
of course all i was telling you is what they told me
iasked if they wanted to be officail partners and the answer was not yet
I see another big con. It is all about WinMo, so there is vast number of apps which is working on almost all WinMo devices no matter if it is or isn't HTC. How are you going to deal with it? Make double topics on both XDA main and sister sites?
every replication means more coverage and also ex
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I understand that this is a developer site and that the portal page is meant to display news for developers or about accomplishments made by developers (developer related news) but why so few updates on upcoming devices? Seems to me that XDA could easily be covering most of the stuff that engadget reports. Just that this is the only thing stopping XDA from being a one stop shop for anything Android related for me. Thoughts?
Lets remember we are not an Android only forum.
News Writers team is focused to bring the best of development inside XDA, but we include some information regarding new devices as well.
In General section you´ll find the hottest info on the latest out there.
Thanks for your suggestion tough, if you read a nice story while surfing XDA please PM us.
This is and always will be a site for developers, pure and simple. Without them we are nothing, without them there would be no reason for XDA Developers to exist; we should never ever forget that. Without them this place would not be called XDA-Developers but something else, e.g Mobile Phone User Support Services For Ungrateful Nerds.
XDA is about developing and is for developers. Any user that recognises that will gain the most benefit from this site.
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I understand that. While I would be looking for Android device news I'd also expect there to be Windows mobile and iPhone news as well. It just seems that these news pieces are sometimes as vital to developers as any other news that is published and as you said most of it can already be found somewhere on the forums so it just seems intuitive to publish more of it on the Portal to allow easier access to the information. I certainly see your point, I was just curious.
Developers want to see code. I close the portal tab if i see noobish stuff like "omg omg the new htc xyz is out. Many other devs do the same.
Had it been a dump of firmware for it, that's interesting
But the announcement of yet another sub standard handset is barely newsworthy... I mean, the new WP7 phones are not even dual core
Hello,
when I first came to xda-developers.com I was searching for a guide on how flashing cyanogenmod on my second device that I like to use for learning android app development. My experience was one of the most painful on the internet since I was 14 (now I'm 29).
1) Using a forum instead of a wiki for providing information to the user is confusing. It's ok for troubleshooting, if someone has particular problems, or for discussions, but for presenting contents like guides etc. is imho stupid. If each forum has its administrators, they could simply copy-paste the relevant sticky posts to the wiki, and the community will do the rest of the job by updating and refactoring the guides. The outcome will be thousand times better.
2) The guides are often written so bad, that one looses all hopes to fix a problem easely or quickly, and I really mean because of how they are written: coloured text, different text sizes, so much blank lines, and always the same f.......g disclaimer! Ok!! it's clear!! my warranty is void!! you don't have to tell it me each time I read a new topic! and even if you don't write that stuff, you aren't legally responsible for damages. I bet that's true in any country of the world! Communication shall be concise, clear, not redundant. That isn't the case for most of the topics I've read. You don't have to repeat each time you propose to use adb that I have to have Adroid Tools installed, that I have to have the latest update of that software, that if it's not installed I have to download it from that link and do this and that to install it, etc.
3) Odin's alternatives aren't mentioned the 99% of the cases. I'm a Linux user, and all topics I've read are targeted to Windows users.
Using a wiki instead of this vBulletin will solve these kind of problems. I hope I'm not the only one experiencing those problems.
Regards.
leonixyz said:
Hello,
when I first came to xda-developers.com I was searching for a guide on how flashing cyanogenmod on my second device that I like to use for learning android app development. My experience was one of the most painful on the internet since I was 14 (now I'm 29).
1) Using a forum instead of a wiki for providing information to the user is confusing. It's ok for troubleshooting, if someone has particular problems, or for discussions, but for presenting contents like guides etc. is imho stupid. If each forum has its administrators, they could simply copy-paste the relevant sticky posts to the wiki, and the community will do the rest of the job by updating and refactoring the guides. The outcome will be thousand times better.
2) The guides are often written so bad, that one looses all hopes to fix a problem easely or quickly, and I really mean because of how they are written: coloured text, different text sizes, so much blank lines, and always the same f.......g disclaimer! Ok!! it's clear!! my warranty is void!! you don't have to tell it me each time I read a new topic! and even if you don't write that stuff, you aren't legally responsible for damages. I bet that's true in any country of the world! Communication shall be concise, clear, not redundant. That isn't the case for most of the topics I've read. You don't have to repeat each time you propose to use adb that I have to have Adroid Tools installed, that I have to have the latest update of that software, that if it's not installed I have to download it from that link and do this and that to install it, etc.
3) Odin's alternatives aren't mentioned the 99% of the cases. I'm a Linux user, and all topics I've read are targeted to Windows users.
Using a wiki instead of this vBulletin will solve these kind of problems. I hope I'm not the only one experiencing those problems.
Regards.
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I'm afraid I'd have to disagree with you. For starters, XDA-Developers is a developers web site, developed by developers for developers, not the general public.
1) I was a Windows programmer long before Android. I knew absolutely nothing about Android when I joined XDA. Everything, I mean everything, I've learned about Android I learned here in the forums that you say are so difficult to understand. And I'm 44.
XDA's format has been the same for the years I've been here and it works for most. In my years here, this is the first complaint/gripe of this type that I've seen. Granted, I can't read every post in every thread in every forum. I can say this with some certainty, changing this web site is not as easy as Copy & Paste as you mentioned.
2) Bear in mind, most of the poorly written guides you speak of are written by people who's native language isn't even English. They are just trying to help any way that they can. I agree there are alot of redundancies in the guides here. I'm not gonna down someone's grammar that is obviously trying to teach/share what knowledge they have.
3) Odin doesn't apply to most devices, only Samsung that I'm aware of, that's why there are no alternatives for it mentioned. As for Linux verses Windows... Windows is the most widely used operating system, period. Hence the reason for little or no reference to Linux fixes, tools, etc.
For what it's worth, I'm sorry for your bad experience.
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I'm afraid I'd have to disagree with you. For starters, XDA-Developers is a developers web site, developed by developers for developers, not the general public.
1) I was a Windows programmer long before Android. I knew absolutely nothing about Android when I joined XDA. Everything, I mean everything, I've learned about Android I learned here in the forums that you say are so difficult to understand. And I'm 44.
XDA's format has been the same for the years I've been here and it works for most. In my years here, this is the first complaint/gripe of this type that I've seen. Granted, I can't read every post in every thread in every forum. I can say this with some certainty, changing this web site is not as easy as Copy & Paste as you mentioned.
2) Bear in mind, most of the poorly written guides you speak of are written by people who's native language isn't even English. They are just trying to help any way that they can. I agree there are alot of redundancies in the guides here. I'm not gonna down someone's grammar that is obviously trying to teach/share what knowledge they have.
3) Odin doesn't apply to most devices, only Samsung that I'm aware of, that's why there are no alternatives for it mentioned. As for Linux verses Windows... Windows is the most widely used operating system, period. Hence the reason for little or no reference to Linux fixes, tools, etc.
For what it's worth, I'm sorry for your bad experience.
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You tell him, @shinobisoft!
I'm also sorry for your bad experience, @leonixyz, but the truth is, I have the same exact feelings as shinobisoft. Everything I've ever learned about Android (which is a healthy amount) has come from awesome people here on XDA.
I haven't been a member for too long, but I've been lurking around XDA since 2012 when I got my Nook Simple Touch. Now, I'm a developer for that device!
So, yes. That's my little testimonial/contribution to this thread - @leonixyz, I sincerely hope that you'll change your mind about this site someday. :fingers-crossed:
They have a point. You have to remember this is not a support or user based site. This site is made for developers. Once carriers and OEM start locking down devices so they can't be flashed you will see things calm down.
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