So I've searched (apologies if I missed a thread talking about this already) and haven't been able to find an answer if this is possible or not. But would grabbing a battery for a T-Mobile GS2 or ATT GS2 with NFC and putting it in the Epic Touch 4G give it NFC capabilities?
Is it just the battery or is there more hardware on the inside that needs to be able to talk to the chip in the battery to make it work? Just wondering if Google Wallet or other NFC goodness could be added to our devices.
No, because the hardware is missing, we would need to have an NFC chip in the phone. All the NFC Batteries are, are batteries with the NFC antenna mounted on them, instead of being mounted on the battery door.
Thanks for the answer. That's what I figured. Just wanted to know if I could cheat the system at all. I guess I don't get why Sprint didn't have this included on this model being how they are the ones pushing Google Wallet... Oh well.
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i just find a new battery eb504465vucinu (1500mah)
compatible with our device made by samsung which is surprisingly integrated with nfc chip at very effective cost price of Rs 419 (US $8.25) at the site address below
http://shoppingwopping.in/index.php/samsung-battery-eb504465vucinu.html
hope this will also help in development of NFC on our device too
for compatibilty of this battery visit this site ===>>
http://www.themobilestore.in/accessories/samsung-eb504465vucinu/p-31103-25534722479-cat.html
Is this site genuine ? I am in need of a battery.The site mentions no warranty also.
Just choose COD option nd check wen it recieved ..
I ordered it will tell u after I receive it..!!
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I would order it if it had any mention of warranty.Waiting for a reply from them if it has any warranty on it.
All OEM batteries have 6month to one year of warranty period..
I had the conv. With their sales executive nd they said it comes with warranty given by manufacturer.
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I had ordered 2 batteries from them with cod option.Took them 4 days to ship which is fine.They had done a blunder by putting wrong address on the package ! Thank god aramex guy called up to find what was my address since he could not find the address they mentioned.I brought one for my friend who also needed a replacement.He says he is getting twice the battery backup he got from his old battery.
i thought nfc is supposed to be on the phone. how can you even activate the nfc on a battery?
Shree_Jamdar said:
i thought nfc is supposed to be on the phone. how can you even activate the nfc on a battery?
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I thought so too, but apparently not... http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-GALAXY-Nexus-torn-down-NFC-in-the-battery-average-repairability_id24205
developer's must start development of NFC in our device now..!!
I ordered the battery from the link above an received it yesterday (Delivery time 3-4 days). I have charged it to 100 % and although its too early for a definite judgement, i can safely say that its far better than my last battery which was 15 months old.
Regarding NFC - I noticed that the battery is the regular EB504465VU as opposed to the "EB504465VUCINU" displayed on the site. @akshayw - could you please check yours and report the actual model no.?
The battery says EB504465VUC while the packing it came with says EB504465VUCINU so dont know what is right ? I am hardly interested in the nfc thing so it does not bother me.
Thats wrong.
I don't know if it was a mistake on The Mobile Store side, but it is not label as "NFC" anywhere
My battery which I use says model no EB504465VU.
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Even if the battery supports NFC, our device, I5801,I5800 is in no hardware specs compatible with the technology, and how will thee phone and battery communicate?
I recieved this battery few dayz back nd battery backup is perfect i recommend it 4 everyone ordered it from shopping wopping. Com
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I think this is only for phones that already have NFC. It probably just increased the strength of the connection between the phones.
Apparently, NFC chip can be embedded on battery and even UIM and SIM. So no wonder battery can have an NFC chip embedded... But yet, the ability of our device to utilize that chip iz highly dubious
It's important to recognise the difference between an NFC 'chip', NFC 'powered chips' and 'NFC readers'.
An NFC Chip is just a tiny chip with a Hex code stored in it. The chip is connected to a long, winding, looping aerial that, when it is hit by a certain frequency, bounces back in such a way as to broadcast the Hex code. NFC chips cost pennies to make (I have used them previously to implement a car parking tracking system for a car rental company).
Powered chips have a power source that can make the chip broadcast on its own. It can identify itself to a reader, rather than waiting for the reader to look for it. Apart from this, it just does the same as a normal Chip.
An NFC reader can send these radio waves out, and receive the Hexcode message that is bounced back. This is the type of device that actually 'does' something with the code, and needs drivers, hardware interfaces and so on.
So: NFC Enabled, what does it mean? Well, it could just be a gimmick that lets you read how much power is left in a battery by 'reading' from its bounce. It could also mean it can somehow communicate with the phone, acting as an NFC reader, adding functionality to the phone itself. Frankly, I find this a bit unlikely.
I think the nfc drivers needs to be implemented in our g3 kernels
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I badly need a battery. Which site should I order from? Shopping world or The Mobile Store? The first or second link?
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I have ordered the battery too from shoppingwopping.com. Lets see how long it takes for it to get delivered and how much difference I get when compared to my old battery .
I was wondering if you can put in NFC into your phone like open it up and install the chip or whatever. Or like be able to plug it on to your phone thru the charger port. I also heard that SD-cards that can connect to wifi can that apply with NFC. if my question is stupid and ignorant feel free to say so. I dont want to impose or be a stupid noob.
Thank you.
I have a Inspire 4g (rooted)
P.s I think this is the wrong thread, I AM SOOOOO SORRY IF IT IS.
I dont usually post stuff.
Misterowl said:
I was wondering if you can put in NFC into your phone like open it up and install the chip or whatever. Or like be able to plug it on to your phone thru the charger port. I also heard that SD-cards that can connect to wifi can that apply with NFC. if my question is stupid and ignorant feel free to say so. I dont want to impose or be a stupid noob.
Thank you.
I have a Inspire 4g (rooted)
P.s I think this is the wrong thread, I AM SOOOOO SORRY IF IT IS.
I dont usually post stuff.
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No, you can't. There are some memory cards with integrated NFC, but they're very low storage capacity (1 or 2GB).
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No, you can't. There are some memory cards with integrated NFC, but they're very low storage capacity (1 or 2GB).
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There are also NFC SIM cards... But I don't think they are commercially available. Yet.
IT will be possible..
I think they have magnets abouts the size of a credit card or smaller that will stick to the back of your phone.
I havent had a device with NFC yet, but it may be a must-have for my next device.
you wont be able to install it via the micro usb or via the microchip on the pcb but the memory cards have a look here http://www.moneto.me/faq
I have nfc on my xperia s but no where in the uk has it installed for payments yet..
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I have nfc on my xperia s but no where in the uk has it installed for payments yet..
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I think that UK is going to accelerate the implantation on the occasion of the Olympics.
Surely, a requirement for my next device will be leading NFC.
Hardware issue , i dont think this possible.
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I think they have magnets abouts the size of a credit card or smaller that will stick to the back of your phone.
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Yep, Barclays did that !
http://www.psfk.com/2012/04/barclays-nfc-sticker-turns-your-mobile-phone-into-a-credit-card.html
Just have to wait for other banks to jump in Barclays footsteps
Then, no need for Phone with embedded NFC, or SIM with NFC, ... !
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I have nfc on my xperia s but no where in the uk has it installed for payments yet..
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Starbucks does and so do a number of Mastercard chip and pin machines just there is no payment app available in the uk yet. It was ment to be out for the Olympics but read that it was delayed
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This is a cool feature but as a must-have for a phone? I don't know...
NFC is Near Field Communication right?
Thought it could be used for bluetooth alternative also.
(like phone to phone etc....)
Would love to have, but Desire S doesnt have it.
just wondering, whats the good side of NFC? i only see that as a battery drainer..
Even if you managed to add an NFC radio to your phone, you won't get it to work with google wallet due to the lack of a so called "secure element" which secures the transactions.
http://translate.google.com/transla...overca-presenta-in-italia-la-sua-sim-nfc-347/
They're going to implement that into SIM cards, many (most?) phones have one. Don't know about Google compatibility though, they talk about Mastercard standards.
After reading about NFC sim cards a few months ago I asked T mobile(UK) if they are going to be getting NFC sim cards any time soon, and the guy behind the till looked at me as if I was on crack
IMHO, the best implementation for this on a phone that does not have NFC pre-installed would be from the battery. It requires a hard connection to the circuitry to be powered...the easiest way to do that would be with an nfc-capable battery. The only pitfalls to this would be expensive replacements, slightly decreased battery life and possibly 1-2mm extra thickness to the battery itself. I think a ton of people would gladly take those small caveats to have NFC on a phone that shouldn't.
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IMHO, the best implementation for this on a phone that does not have NFC pre-installed would be from the battery. It requires a hard connection to the circuitry to be powered...the easiest way to do that would be with an nfc-capable battery. The only pitfalls to this would be expensive replacements, slightly decreased battery life and possibly 1-2mm extra thickness to the battery itself. I think a ton of people would gladly take those small caveats to have NFC on a phone that shouldn't.
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tjhe battery shopuld be the problem.. but after looking at this >> http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4576&idPhone2=4695
the question is, why nokia use same battery for a non nfc phone and a nfc phone.. (ps:NFC chip weight is at 3.5 Gram?)
hp420 said:
IMHO, the best implementation for this on a phone that does not have NFC pre-installed would be from the battery. It requires a hard connection to the circuitry to be powered...the easiest way to do that would be with an nfc-capable battery. The only pitfalls to this would be expensive replacements, slightly decreased battery life and possibly 1-2mm extra thickness to the battery itself. I think a ton of people would gladly take those small caveats to have NFC on a phone that shouldn't.
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so i think that the third party companies should work on this for say like extended batteries... and provide a market link or add a market app that would give the nfc chip in the battery to work as an example or a dev do so to make the google wallet to think it is a valid phone with use and nfc chip...
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so i think that the third party companies should work on this for say like extended batteries... and provide a market link or add a market app that would give the nfc chip in the battery to work as an example or a dev do so to make the google wallet to think it is a valid phone with use and nfc chip...
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You can't use Google Wallet with phones that don't have it built in period. There's more than the NFC. There's a chip called a Secure Element that's separate and stores all of the information for cards, etc. The phone either comes with it or it doesn't.
Also for phones with batteries that have an NFC chip in them, that's just an antenna for the chip inside the phone. It does nothing in a non-NFC phone.
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Hey guys, I bought these batteries (a set of 3) and an external charger to charge them from eBay for about 12 bucks from somewhere in Asia. I assumed they were generic ones, but as I got them today they were branded as Samsung and says it's NFC capable. It looks exactly like the stock battery that came with the GNex. Anyways, I'm probably 95% certain that it's just a generic battery that the company slapped a Samsung sticker on it to make it look more legit. Either way I was wondering how to check if NFC does work, I don't have another GNex to test it on. Is there an app that you guys know of that checks if NFC works?
Any response would be appreciated, thanks!
I don't know of an app that checks if NFC works. Afaik you will have to find another phone with NFC or go to a PayPass location.
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I don't know of an app that checks if NFC works. Afaik you will have to find another phone with NFC or go to a PayPass location.
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Damn! Alright. Was hoping there was an app. Thanks man.
Try scanning your passport that have a bio-metric chip, if there is a sound, then NFC is working.
This is if your passport's bio-metric chip can be picked up by NFC scanners.
I have one of these cards. When I hold it against my GNex, the phone makes a sound. I'd imagine this is the NFC at work. Have you got a similar card that you could try?
if you have a card or a tag that uses NFC download NXP NFC scanner from the play store....it scans any NFC tags
Thanks for all of your responses guys! I'll see what I can do. I'll probably just have to wait till I see my gf later this week and use her Nexus. Was just eager to see if the batteries were legit.
If you have a tablet or another phone with NFC, turn both on and tap them together (the backs). you should hear a sound.
I think this is how you can tell. thanks.
Is it possible to use my phone as a key fob for my apartment complex? Or say my workplace?
I saw the big confirmed NFC list elsewhere, but was curious of anyone has tried or knows about this.
Thanks
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This has been talked about before, no you cant, its not using the same technology. The easiest way to check this is to get the NFC reader for your phone and try to read whatever your trying to use, like a security card for the building, it will not read it and this will tell you its not the same. I had the same idea as at work I have a Prox II card to get in and around the building, tried to read it and it would not work, I checked the web and sure enough its not the same frequency or something along those lines. At this time its only good for paying at places that have the ability and messing with your own tags.
Where is the actual NFC device? Is it in the Battery?
Im curious if it's upgradable (aftermarket, of course) to add on more frequencies
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Where is the actual NFC device? Is it in the Battery?
Im curious if it's upgradable (aftermarket, of course) to add on more frequencies
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For the S3 it is in the battery as you say. So an aftermarket battery will likely not have the NFC functionality in there that you would like.
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For the S3 it is in the battery as you say. So an aftermarket battery will likely not have the NFC functionality in there that you would like.
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Unless it specifies that it has a NFC chip in it. I know some do.
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I recently upgraded the battery to a 3800 mah battery. I understand that the battery does not have an imbedded nfc antenna. Will this effect the function of the google wallet app?
Thanks for your help.
Yes I believe so, need NFC to use wallet tap to pay I'm pretty sure.
I think some company does make NFC capable big ol batteries like the one you got tho.
The NFC chip is located within the battery. Without that nfc will not function.
I haven't used Gwallet for a while though so I do not know if anything has changed in regards to how it operates. I know when I used it it NEED NFC to work. Don't know if that changed
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I recently upgraded the battery to a 3800 mah battery. I understand that the battery does not have an imbedded nfc antenna. Will this effect the function of the google wallet app?
Thanks for your help.
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Yes I believe so, need NFC to use wallet tap to pay I'm pretty sure.
I think some company does make NFC capable big ol batteries like the one you got tho.
The NFC chip is located within the battery. Without that nfc will not function.
I haven't used Gwallet for a while though so I do not know if anything has changed in regards to how it operates. I know when I used it it NEED NFC to work. Don't know if that changed
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Google has blocked the galaxy nexus from using wallet. People have been searching for a work around although none have been found yet.
I suspect the only way we may ever regain functionality is through the 3.4 kernel. It's still got a long way to go. The Devs involved in the porting process have hit a hiccup in getting the display working.
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Google has blocked the galaxy nexus from using wallet. People have been searching for a work around although none have been found yet.
I suspect the only way we may ever regain functionality is through the 3.4 kernel. It's still got a long way to go. The Devs involved in the porting process have hit a hiccup in getting the display working.
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I was wondering about this. I'm on a 4.4 Rom, but Wallet still says tap and pay is "not available". So that's a known issue?