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So, what's the most noob friendly froyo rom for the desire?

with the sense stuff i use having an alternative now, what would be the most stable 2.2 release recommended for a rooting/phone flashing virgin?
Or is it better to wait for that cyanogenmod one to come out?
ta all.
p,s i would like to use my camcorder on my phone

I could be wrong but I don't think camcorder works on any 2.2 rom for desire.
That aside, don't worry about losing sense. It really isn't as big a deal as you'd imagine.
For me the only downside (at least on the few ROMS I've tried) is that you seem to lose HTC sync functionality. I must admit syncing with Outlook is my fave option. With 2.2 roms I've had to go to the trouble of syncing contacts etc with GMAIL then syncing back to the phone that way. It's become a bit ugly and I must say a bit of an irritation. HTC favourites aren't supported but Android Starred is now. It was painless coming from WinMob with Sense to 2.1 with Sense. Android 2.2 has been a little harder but nothing you can't navigate if you have the mind.

danbst said:
I could be wrong but I don't think camcorder works on any 2.2 rom for desire.
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hmm, i was under the impression that 1 or 2 did.
danbst said:
That aside, don't worry about losing sense. It really isn't as big a deal as you'd imagine.
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yeah, pure messenger seems to replace a few, and beautiful widgets replaces most of the rest iirc. launcher pro does the trick also.
danbst said:
For me the only downside (at least on the few ROMS I've tried) is that you seem to lose HTC sync functionality. I must admit syncing with Outlook is my fave option. With 2.2 roms I've had to go to the trouble of syncing contacts etc with GMAIL then syncing back to the phone that way. It's become a bit ugly and I must say a bit of an irritation. HTC favourites aren't supported but Android Starred is now. It was painless coming from WinMob with Sense to 2.1 with Sense. Android 2.2 has been a little harder but nothing you can't navigate if you have the mind.
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don't think i'll mind it much if i get apps2sd. i'm constantly finding nice useful new apps and games i want and my damn phone always has that 'running low on space' icon on it.

The video recording doesn't work on any 2.2 froyo rom. This requires a new radio (baseband) from HTC.
HTC Sync won't work untill HTC release their official rom.
As far as noob friendly goes... The actual rooting process is the same no matter what rom you decide to eventually install. Once rooted you can download rom manager and use that to chop and change between roms.
I'd say you should try a few roms that are posted in the dev section and decide for yourself which you like. They are currently almost all identicle. The only differences are some have theming, and some have apps added/removed. There are 2 main devs, paul obrien, and richardtrip. All the froyo roms are based on their work.

I was reading that CyanogenMod6 will have video recording in it once its released.

jmonfu said:
I was reading that CyanogenMod6 will have video recording in it once its released.
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Where did you read that?

in this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=709161

jmonfu said:
in this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=709161
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I was following that thread and don't recall anything saying that 6 would have the video recording. I know they had it working in 5.0.8 but that was a 2.1 based rom. If they get it working, then happy days.

ok reading it again, does not mention that 100% will be fixed.
This is one of the posts
"I am shure CyanogenMod 6 will have all those echo and video problems fixed.
Beno already fixed videorecording on 5.0.8 AFAIK... but now 6.0 has priority!"
I am new to all this so I might have understood wrongly, but I think CyanogenMod 6 will be the first ROM I will try to install on my device

hmm, well, here's hoping it comes out soon. don't want to flash too often.
i'm debating just going for a 2.1 rom with a2sd since space is my pet peeve.
then in a few weeks go for the (hopefully) fixed 2.2?

is there any stable 2.1 rom with a2sd and camcorder working? a2sd is the main reason I want to flash

jmonfu said:
is there any stable 2.1 rom with a2sd and camcorder working? a2sd is the main reason I want to flash
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Have a look in the dev section, at Pays Rocksolid, and Bravesoul roms.

cheers mate. Will do.
A noob question, I have a 4G card at the moment and ordered an 8G which is due shortly. If I flash and install a rom on the 4G card, will i be able to copy it on the new 8G card, or do I have to do the process again on the 8G card?

Your rom isn't flashed to the SD card, it's flashed to the phones internal memory.
When you get your new card, connect your phone to the pc, and copy everything off the old card, then put the new card on and copy it all back.

ah ok I get it, so its like a normal OS. Great will try this soon. How long does all the process of Flashing and installing a new ROM take normally?

Flashing a new ROM, including wiping the data etc normally doesn't take more than 5 minutes.

oh great, thought it took longer. Have experience with WM flashing, but not Android.

Making a nandroid backup is the most time consuming step in flashing =)

will have to search for that term

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Flashing a new ROM, including wiping the data etc normally doesn't take more than 5 minutes.
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when you wipe the partion on SD to flash rom then flash back a nandroid backup does this partition card or do you need to wipe, partition then flash nandroid?

HTC Desire - New to android modding - help needed

Hey everyone,
I'm really new to android modding, and don't know much about all this. I'm good at modding but never been on android before. I went through the stickies and full desire guide etc threads, but its really getting confusing for me.
I've come to know some things: (correct if wrong)
1) You have some custom ROMs which you can flash after rooting the phone.
2) Most ROMs have pretty much everything working, but some things don't work on some ROMs (like camera for some)
3) Rooting voids warranty.
Seeing the vast amount of ROMs in the development section, I'm confused which one to look for. Can anyone suggest me which would be the best (stable and everything working) ROM for me? I basically need APP2SD or APP2SD+ (NOT the froyo one because its useless, I'm talking about the custom one) and minor tweaks like changing the homescreen etc.
Which would be the best suited ROM for above description? Basically, what criteria decide which ROM to put on the phone?
@Moderators, sorry if its the same old story. I'm really confused and so HAD to make a thread.

Hi and welcome. A couple of points I can help you with:
There are loads of roms to choose from, I am using this rom atm:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=768703
Everything on this particular rom works fine and is very fast and stable. I generally find if roms have several revisions then are are generally very good. i.e. are having continuous support and developement.
As for rooting voiding warranty? Well this is no longer an issue as rooting can easily be reversed )
Hope this helps
LEWY

thehrushi said:
Hey everyone,
I'm really new to android modding, and don't know much about all this. I'm good at modding but never been on android before. I went through the stickies and full desire guide etc threads, but its really getting confusing for me.
I've come to know some things: (correct if wrong)
1) You have some custom ROMs which you can flash after rooting the phone.
2) Most ROMs have pretty much everything working, but some things don't work on some ROMs (like camera for some)
3) Rooting voids warranty.
Seeing the vast amount of ROMs in the development section, I'm confused which one to look for. Can anyone suggest me which would be the best (stable and everything working) ROM for me? I basically need APP2SD or APP2SD+ (NOT the froyo one because its useless, I'm talking about the custom one) and minor tweaks like changing the homescreen etc.
Which would be the best suited ROM for above description? Basically, what criteria decide which ROM to put on the phone?
@Moderators, sorry if its the same old story. I'm really confused and so HAD to make a thread.
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You do indeed need to Root the device before flashing, the only ROM that don't have 'things working' is the Desire HD ROM. I am not sure if that has been fixed or not yet though. All the other AOSP and Sense based Desire ROMs have everything working just fine. Rooting will void your warranty but it's super easy to reverse so there is nothing to worry about.
The most popular ROMs by far seem to be the AOSP (Android Open Source Project) ROMs (Non-Sense ROMs), all of them will have APP2SD built into them, the Sense ROMs also have APP2SD built into them.
LeeDrOiD is by far the most popular Sense based ROM, RCMixHD is the Desire HD based ROM, which I think still doesn't have the camera working.
And by far the most popular Desire ROM overall is the ASOP Cyanogen based DeFrost.
To get the most out of APP2SD you will need to download ROM Manager and create an EXT3 partition on your SD card so the ROM will place all of the Froyo compatable apps into the partion and not your internal memory.

Being brand new to the desire, I've flashed every Rom available in the last 2 weeks.
Leedroid is a very good sense Rom. I prefer having a Rom with sense right now because this is my first HTC.
Right now I'm running the Aurax sense Rom, solely because it has its own setCPU built in.
The hd roms didn't impress me that much, not yet at least, with a little more time they will be awesome though.
The MIUI roms are also amazingly pretty, if you don't mind the iPhone feel. My only problem with it though, and I've been told this hardly happens, my battery life was pathetic.
At the end of the day though, apart from the hardware, it is android and all the available apps that make our phone so great.
All the custom roms do add a lot of speed to the phone though, you have to do a quadrant after you flash so that you can see how awesome the Rom makes your phone run. They also add additional functionality compared to the stock Rom.
Honestly, I can't see why anyone would keep any Android device stock when there are such amazing roms around. At the end of the day its all down to your own preferences and what functions you like. You'll love any Rom you flash.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Thanks for such amazing replies. Meanwhile, I've also been through many ROMs and their descriptions. The terminologies are kinda new for me, but I can understand many things now....
The only thing I care about right now is App2SD because I found FroYo's move to SD doesn't help much. Also second thing is that I'm not having MY desire yet, its my friend's device m gonna try out everything on! So I'd be taking some extra care!
One big relief is that rooting is reversible. That'd be cool.
What are the odds of bricking your phone while flashing or applying mods?

thehrushi said:
Thanks for such amazing replies. Meanwhile, I've also been through many ROMs and their descriptions. The terminologies are kinda new for me, but I can understand many things now....
The only thing I care about right now is App2SD because I found FroYo's move to SD doesn't help much. Also second thing is that I'm not having MY desire yet, its my friend's device m gonna try out everything on! So I'd be taking some extra care!
One big relief is that rooting is reversible. That'd be cool.
What are the odds of bricking your phone while flashing or applying mods?
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It is honestly impossible to brick a desire. I bricked my MOTO backflip, there was no coming back from that. With the desire I flashed something that didn't work, but pressing volume down and power gets you right into the hbooot menu, from there just mount as usb and copy over a new Rom to flash.
The one thing you need to remember, when flashing new roms the first boot takes a while, never pull the battery thinking there's nothing happening, that will destroy your phone and there's no coming back from that.
Before every Rom you flash make sure to do a factory reset in the recovery menu, that ensures that the new Rom will work to its full capability and minimizes the chances of experiencing problems.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

thehrushi said:
What are the odds of bricking your phone while flashing or applying mods?
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You can brick your device flashing Radios, but you can always send it back to HTC, pay them an extortionate amount and they will revive it for you. But overall, the chances are slim to none in my experience.
Just make sure, after rooting, you make a Nandroid backup of the OS. Then you can do whatever you like to the phone and it will be reversable.
I keep a Nandroid of my DeFrost ROM, and one of my PaysROM, and I have one of my MoDaCo R8, you can switch between them just using Recovery, as the mood takes you, absolutely everything will be exactly as it was everytime you load the backup back onto the phone, I just wipe the cache, Dalvik Cache, factory reset the ROM then reinstall whichever ROM I want to use (DeFrost, PaysROM etc etc) from the SD card and then backup from the Nandroid.

Depending on the age of your desire, you shouldn't need to flash a radio though. I've never needed to flash a radio, but that's because my desire came with the latest radio, thankfully it still has the amoled screen.
If you do need to replace the radio and somehow brick it, if its still under warranty HTC will replace it for you because there is no way that they can prove you bricked the device.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Kalavere said:
Just make sure, after rooting, you make a Nandroid backup of the OS. Then you can do whatever you like to the phone and it will be reversable.
I keep a Nandroid of my DeFrost ROM, and one of my PaysROM, and I have one of my MoDaCo R8, you can switch between them just using Recovery, as the mood takes you, absolutely everything will be exactly as it was everytime you load the backup back onto the phone, I just wipe the cache, Dalvik Cache, factory reset the ROM then reinstall whichever ROM I want to use (DeFrost, PaysROM etc etc) from the SD card and then backup from the Nandroid.
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Wow that means you install a ROM, make settings you want, put in your data (phonebook etc) and then take a full backup. Switching between them is as easy as restoring a backup!
Is that right?
Initially, I'd be trying out ROMs, and would stick to the one which suits me best. I just can't wait before my desire arrives this monthend!!

thehrushi said:
Wow that means you install a ROM, make settings you want, put in your data (phonebook etc) and then take a full backup. Switching between them is as easy as restoring a backup!
Is that right?
Initially, I'd be trying out ROMs, and would stick to the one which suits me best. I just can't wait before my desire arrives this monthend!!
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It saves everything, app data, messages, settings, the lot. Although when switching ROMs I still factory reset, wipe the caches and reinstall the ROM I want to use before loading the backup of that specific ROM. I am not sure things will go so smoothly if you just reload the backups without factory resetting and reinstalling the ROM first, but it won't hurt to try.

Kalavere said:
It saves everything, app data, messages, settings, the lot. Although when switching ROMs I still factory reset, wipe the caches and reinstall the ROM I want to use before loading the backup of that specific ROM. I am not sure things will go so smoothly if you just reload the backups without factory resetting and reinstalling the ROM first, but it won't hurt to try.
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Exactly!

Migrating to Sense

So far, I've only used AOSP ROMs (DevNull and Oxygen) since I rooted my phone. Personally, I like it better because I like simplicity, and the idea of a stock ROM appealed to me.
But there seems to be a problem with AOSP ROMs, the call delay issue. Although people say they hardly notice it, I get 3-4 seconds delay every time and I find myself going like "Yes. Hello. Hello? Are you there?" every time I answer a call. I've heard that the problem is AOSP-specific, because of some libs Google uses, and that HTC use their own libs which do not present this issue.
So yesterday I backed everything up and got ready to try LeeDroid. But after installation, I could not get the ROM to boot nor the SD card to mount. I eventually fixed the problem by repartitioning the SD card, and I'm now running DevNull. I'd also like to mention that I'm S-OFFed, was running CWM 3.1.0.1 and had the Oxygen HBOOT before installing the Stock one back.
Now, I'd like to know how I am supposed to correctly switch to a Sense ROM coming from an AOSP one, as well as some opinion as to which is the cleanest, reasonably fast Sense ROM available out there. Perhaps some thoughts on kernels, too.
Thanks in advance!

I am on RcmixS 1.6.2 at the moment and working well.
Do full wipethen flash the rom, that is it. Enjoy.

I did perform a full wipe before installing.

What version are you trying to install? At the start the GB version didn't like the newer versions of CWM, also hboot versions were an issue too. I haven't really been keeping up because I went back to 2.4.1 till an actual GB release. Check it out those might be causing you trouble.
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I've downloaded InsertCoin and I plan on installing it later today, as now I've got some stuff to finish. If it doesn't work, I'll try downgrading CWM. Thanks!

You need to use the stock 250MB HBOOT - obviously a Sense-based ROM is too large for the Oxygen one

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You need to use the stock 250MB HBOOT - obviously a Sense-based ROM is too large for the Oxygen one
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Try AuraxTSense, i have been back and forth between most of the Sense ROMS & this is the one i come back too.
ALWAYS

I've given InsertCoin a try yesterday, but I didn't like it as it was way too laggy (as in I usually had to touch something twice for anything to happen).
I think I'm going to try each one today and see what I'll end up using. I'll post my opinions here.
@EddyOS I did use the stock HBOOT with LeeDroid, but I downloaded the CM7 version of InsertCoin.
@3f1f37 I'll give it a try, thanks!

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I've given InsertCoin a try yesterday, but I didn't like it as it was way too laggy (as in I usually had to touch something twice for anything to happen).
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laggy? twice touching ?
Are you trying to touch things during the first minutes of the first boot after flashing??
Let the ROM settle about 5-10 mins after first boot, your phone will be blazing fast afterwards.
InsertCoin 1.0.7 CM7 (Gongerbread; Sense 2.1 + 3.0; 130MB) is one of the fastest and the most stable Sense ROMs currently available,I use it also.

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laggy? twice touching ?
Are you trying to touch things during the first minutes of the first boot after flashing??
Let the ROM settle about 5-10 mins after first boot, your phone will be blazing fast afterwards.
InsertCoin 1.0.7 CM7 (Gongerbread; Sense 2.1 + 3.0; 130MB) is one of the fastest and the most stable Sense ROMs currently available,I use it also.
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I too felt it was very laggy. CM7 version, with CM7 hboot, 1GBext. even the typing was bad, had to retype messages because it would start to lag out and miss letters
i dont know what i could have done wrong to get such a horrible experience. maybe you can enlighten me?

@aaa I've overall had a laggy experience even one day after installing it.
@ringer13 what ROM have you eventually settled to? Thanks!
I'm currently trying CoolD, or something like that, because the ZIP only has 144 MB. I also tried installing HiApk (it has 138 MB), but the download was damaged or something, it didn't pass the verification process in Amon_RA 2. But I will redownload it if I'm dissatisfied with CoolD.

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cyanogenmod7 ive found most gb sense roms way too laggy so went with aosp

I'll have to agree with that. My HiApk ZIP was corrupted and after booting CoolD, all I got was Force Close for all the apps, including the launcher.
I didn't bother anymore, so I went on and installed Oxygen 2.1.3. It works like a charm.

Well it is true that u have to sacrifice speed, but the benefits from the sense are worthing the less smooth response, and mostly it is hardly noticeable...
Sent from my HTC Desire

I know the speed comparison of AOSP and Sense, I have used both.
The only thing I have not used is MIUI...saw it on youtube, and hate it right away...
I know AOSP is always faster than Sense but Sense in generally especially InsertCoin is not so bad so that you had to touch things twice before getting any response.
Moreover, InsertCoin is one of the fastest Sense ROMs you can find.
If you had to touch everything twice until you got any response from your phone, check if you have massive processes on the background caused by any other apps/syncs or some problems with your SD card.

[Q] Advice on Installing a New ROM

So, I have been rooted for ages.
I liked rooting because it was simple to follow the instructions on what to do (it was just like installing any old application on a PC if I remember). I haven't exactly explored the full features of rooting as I am just an average user but now I am finding I want more apps than the phone will allow, so it's time to get a new ROM.
Here's Some Information:
HTC Desire - Unbranded (UK)
Rooted with Clockwork Mod
S-Off Status: Don't know
Android: 2.2
Software: 2.29.405.5
Why Do I Want to Get a New ROM?
Space issues really.
I am nearly constantly warned these days about low space. I've been running with about 30Mb to spare, but now when I update various apps, it moans at me. It also means I am limited to what I can now install, even though I may only use the app once every few months.
My battery life is good (well, 2-3 days) and everything else is fine, it's just the space issue that I need to solve.
What ROM's Have I Looked At?
Starburst:
Seems to be to be the one I need, although I perhaps am being narrow minded with the whole "I want sense" and "I need the DATA2SD" thing.
CyanogenMod:
Seems nice, but no Sense? Maybe I can pull away from Sense as really I only use the clock/weather, the larger weather, calendar, a little bit FriendStream, but I am happy without FriendStream and HTC Peep I could install by itself or go without it (I can just text Twitter). There are many calendar apps and again, it might be possible to install it as a stand alone app, or I might find one that is simply better.
Someone else suggested LeeDroid which I've heard a lot about too, although I haven't really looked into it.
So, I have a few questions now:
Should I be looking to upgrade to Gingerbread?
Is Sense 3.5 a good way to go?
Is there a ROM that has the DATA2SD with Sense 3.5?
I have read that Titanium Backup will allow me to save all the apps and their data/saved games somewhere and then it's just a one-touch-install to have them all back again, is that correct?
Will some ROM's allow me to delete/choose not to install things like Teeter?
If I install a new ROM, I can put it back to a standard stock ROM correct? Just so when I come to sell the phone on, it's back to what it was.
When I've installed a custom ROM, I can still use the Market/App Brain to update apps correct?
I think that's it.
I don't really want to be installing one ROM, then deciding it's rubbish so installing another, then another, I'd just like an informed view. I think my main aim is ease of install. I'm not very confident with adb, although I can obviously follow "type this and that" step by step guides.
If anyone has any other suggestions then that would be great.
Thanks

I don't know all the answers, but I'll try to answer some. I had the same problem as you did.
Is Sense 3.5 a good way to go?
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I found that Sense 3.0, Sense 2.1+3.0 hybrids were very slow(I guess this applies for Sense 3.5 since it's newer than 3.0)
I have read that Titanium Backup will allow me to save all the apps and their data/saved games somewhere and then it's just a one-touch-install to have them all back again, is that correct?
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Yes.
Will some ROM's allow me to delete/choose not to install things like Teeter?
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Most Sense ROMs are pretty stripped of crap like that. However if you do have it you can uninstall it afterwards.
If I install a new ROM, I can put it back to a standard stock ROM correct? Just so when I come to sell the phone on, it's back to what it was.
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Do a backup before flashing a new ROM! That way you will have your old ROM. However I'm not sure about how to unroot, but it is possible.
When I've installed a custom ROM, I can still use the Market/App Brain to update apps correct?
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Yes.
P.S. My first try was CyanongenMod, and I haven't regretted it since. Almost every Sense app/widget can be replaced by apps in the market.

Please use the Q&A Forum for questions Thanks
Moving to Q&A

Man, I thought this forum was busy and there'd be loads of recommendations.
Seems not :/

I believe Sense 3.0 is good enough since Sense 3.5 ROM is not yet stable.
Cool3d / Aurora has good performance. But you need to S-OFF your phone first. It's very important before jumping into ROM that requires ext4 and CM7

[Q] Upgrading to new ROM - few questions

Hello all,
Got my Droid Incredible 2 back in July 2011. Rooted and flashed a custom ROM pretty much right away. Since, I have had almost no problems with this phone (except the alarm clock stopped working a few months ago...) and it has been through a lot.
Recently, my phone has been acting kind of weird. I am not quite sure what the problem is (sometimes the battery seems to drain extremely fast, pretty much only symptom atm and very random). I am going to keep using it regularly for a few more days to see if the problem is persistent.
Anyways, if the phone is actually OK still, I was thinking it might be nice to get a fresh new ROM. Like I said, got the phone 07/11, haven't touched it since.
I am liking this ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1892450
What is the recommended process of backing up my data and flashing this one on? I see the instructions in the thread and intend to follow them, if anyone has more detailed explanations or would like to walk me through it that would be appreciated.
Do I need to update anything else? Like I said, phone is on pretty old software/firmware since I have not received any official updates over the life time of my phone. I am seeing kernels and radios, will mine work? Can I tell? Are there better ones I should use?
I am currently rooted. Running rmk's Ginger Sense ROM (found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1161411) which is Android version 2.3.3 and Sense version 2.1. I have Titanium Backup and Superuser apps installed.
So, its been a while. Help me update right. I will continue to research but my knowledge relating to this process is currently severely lacking, so any help is appreciated. My phone has been fast, smooth, and stable - I would love to keep it that way!
Thanks

Just follow the instructions in the op. Do them as it says. Be sure to reboot recovery after installing rom and before flashing gapps. It wont break your phone if you forget, but it might help the soft keys work right. No need to update firmware. The kernel he includes is custom too so you dont have to flash a different one, research if you want to though, there are others that work. Try it without changing radios, if you want to change radios its simple and there is a thread that has them on xda.
Sent from my Incredible 2