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I think I need help. I think Im loosing memory on my Desire. Like anyone I have installed apps then deleted them. At the moment I have about 20mb something worth of apps installed after receiving as new, but my available memory is at only 56mb.
Where is this going to? Does deleted apps leave something in the memory?
I have tried to clear all caches I found, but 56mb is worrying me. Anyone else with this prob?
Yes, I have found this to be the case. I have about 65 apps installed but I've tried and uninstalled loads more. I backed up my apps and flashed a Generic ROM. Before I started I had about 15MB of space left.
I reinstalled ALL the same apps...and suddenly had about 50MB, with the same apps. I could only conclude old apps I had uninstalled had left loads of rubbish behind.
Im seriously thinking of hard resetting, to confirm the uninstalled apps really leave all the rubbish behind.
Wonder if there is anything else on Android that uses more and more memory...? I tried look around with Astro all the folders, but didnt spot anything. Looks like the phone keeps eating memory just like Windows does...
Firstly, if you're talking about RAM, 56MB is plenty.
Second, Android probably doesn't clear stuff like you think it does. One way to see how much RAM you really have is to just do a soft reset - i.e. turn the phone off and on.
On a fresh restart I have about 200+MB RAM. After a day or a few days, Android will hold it steady at around 35MB. Never really dropping below 9% (for long).
Have you done a soft reset and seen what values you have?
It's under settings, SD card and phone memory. stays about the same after soft reset. I just uninstalled most apps... got about 70mb now. how do u get 200mb??! it is RAM I'm talking about....
do ou have facebook linked with phone contact?
check the app called "contact list" it was 30mb because of that sync for me
jannen said:
It's under settings, SD card and phone memory. stays about the same after soft reset. I just uninstalled most apps... got about 70mb now. how do u get 200mb??! it is RAM I'm talking about....
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Maybe someone can correct me on this, but I'm pretty sure you're talking about ROM. Apps are installed into ROM and when they are run, loaded into RAM.
When I just restarted my phone now, I get 220MB RAM and I have 20MB ROM. The RAM is so high because I obviously have just turned it on and not run anything.
Oh and I have 78 apps installed (including ones that were there from the start). Don't know how many widgets I have though.
LOL you're talking about ROM and not RAM, so Cleargrey is pretty right
Dexil said:
LOL you're talking about ROM and not RAM, so Cleargrey is pretty right
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Up until Cleargrey brought it up no one had made the distinction...we simply referred to phone storage, which is pretty unambiguous. It's only Cleargrey who muddied the waters by bringing up how much free RAM he had...no one had mentioned it up to that point, so who is your LOL actually aimed at?
Sorry for the confusion... I blame XT9 lol. Rom is the word. I don't use Facebook believe or not. I'm on T-Mobile if that explains... think got just over 100mb free when phone was new. certainly not over 200!
If I install copilot now its 20 know... that would leave me with just 30 to install other apps. too little!
Then I think you have just run into the issue that is core to Android currently. You have a limited amount of space to install apps. I can't remember what the number is but it's something like 150MB (ROM).
Android currently only caches to the SD card. So we look to the next Android version to save us!
My issue goes actually further than that... What I ment is when I uninstall an app I have less memory left that when I installed it.
For example let say I have 80Mb free, I install an app of 5mb. Uninstalling it I have 70mb left. Thats the point... the Mbs are just fading away.
jannen said:
For example let say I have 80Mb free, I install an app of 5mb. Uninstalling it I have 70mb left. Thats the point... the Mbs are just fading away.
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Take a look in Settings->Applications->Manage Applications
Lets you see what's hogging the space!
I have a G1 and used to see similar behaviour with K9Mail from the Market - I had a big IMAP Inbox (1000s of messages) and I think K9 stored it's database in ROM/Flash (which is even more limited on the G1).
Can't wait for the Desire - same problems...faster!
mikes69 said:
Take a look in Settings->Applications->Manage Applications
Lets you see what's hogging the space!
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That's not really going to help when the thing taking up the space isn't on that list. That's what he's saying...he installs X app...it supposedly uses Y amount of space. He removes X app and would expect Y amount of space to become available but instead he has Y - 10.
Thanks... thats exactly what I ment. I uninstalled most stuff now.
Seems uninstalling doesnt uninstall everything - leaveing rubbish behind...
I noticed similar issues on other Android users just by Googling, but didnt find any answer to this.
To me looks like in the near future I wont have any memory left and no apps installed. Thats what Im afraid of!
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That's not really going to help when the thing taking up the space isn't on that list. That's what he's saying...he installs X app...it supposedly uses Y amount of space. He removes X app and would expect Y amount of space to become available but instead he has Y - 10.
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Yes, may just be a bug (don't have one yet, can't comment).
However, Manage Applications shows the total size of all the Apps and some system stuff on the Flash/ROM including the Data that they've saved there.
I would look at things like 'Browser' and 'Work Email' (unless renamed now) - the Browser app on my G1 for example has nearly 9MB of 'Cache' usage at the mo'...
My issue goes actually further than that... What I ment is when I uninstall an app I have less memory left that when I installed it.
For example let say I have 80Mb free, I install an app of 5mb. Uninstalling it I have 70mb left. Thats the point... the Mbs are just fading away.
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did you restart afterwards? I had 70 left, after a restart I had 89...
Yes restarted 3 times just today. Doesent seem to help...
i used a rooted htc hero before. i had the same problem but only with apps not installed from the market. i found out that there was kept a copy of the .apk files in a directory called data/drm/tmp as far as i remember. i deleted all files inside and got my space back...but i am not sure we have access to this directory without root access...
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The dreaded message for not much space left. I've recently been testing out a few apps to suit my needs. And I've bumped into the message that shows the limitations of the eminently custmisable Android. And I haven't even downloaded one game!!!
I'm really hoping Froyo 2.2 (if that is what it will be called) will sort this out.
Pleeeeeeeease Google. Do us all a favour. Give us some room to maneuver.
I hope it gets sorted soon too. But as has been mentioned previously, HTC could have easily put 4-8gb onboard, plenty of space to install apps.
Google are adressing the issue, just have no idea when!
Re: Oh boy. "Phone storage space is getting low." Google, please sort it out.
Interestingly, I was thinking that the manufacturers of Android devices must know something because all the current crop of high end devices don't really have more than 1gig of memory. RAM or ROM. The Incredible being the exception. This was more nailed home when the Dell future devices (Thunder, Lightning, Flash, etc) came on the news feeds. The devices had no more on board memory than what we have now. And they are scheduled for release in 2011!
We all know Google is aware of tje issue. But what and when they are going to do is anyones guess. Amd why manufactures haven't been releasing devices with increasing on biard memory is perhaps telling.
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Google has already officially advised a couple of weeks ago that a solution will be available soon. What the timeframe of soon is hasn't yet been defined, nor whether it will be a patch fix or a froyo upgrade. But either way, it's coming soon
I thought it was a battery life issue? that larger on board storage tended to lead to battery life being very short. What they need is a secure version of app2sd that's official and doesn't lead to piracy. Hopefully 2.2 will contain this.
I have low space and I know that, does anyone know how to remove the notification without having to uninstall apps as I don't plan at the moment to install any more until the update. I think I will give it a month and if the update isn't out by then I will try root and apps2sd.
pathetic......
clearing cache seems to be daily task now.
I don't believe this. I just uninstalled Google Earth so that I could test another app. Didn't like the app. Removed it. Went to instally Google Earth again.
Can't find it in the Market.
Can't find in via m.google.com/earth. Message "The requested item could not be found."
Can't access it via the link that Google sends via sms.
Just my luck!
Search the nexus forums for the apk and install it directly.
That's what I did, no problems.
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Search the nexus forums for the apk and install it directly.
That's what I did, no problems.
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Done. (Well I actually had to find it through a Google search, but still.) Cheers.
cant seem to find it now tho
jfran said:
cant seem to find it now tho
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Login via your Google account via appbrains app then search via the app or the link http://www.appbrain.com/ via your PC...
Choose install in the web browser for example and via the app on the phone choose manage and sync
@ OP yes hope for 2.2 or in other words Froyo will have it, but curious how fast HTC will get us an update
What I personally use to manage the ridiculous small app memory space I use the app "Quick app" to cleanup cache space.
Re: Oh boy.
This is completely driving me nuts now. Every single day the same issue. At first it only triggered below 8mb free but now its become a joke. Same error even at 17mb free and can't install anything.
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I feel you. I just uninstalled a few, reinstalled G Earth, have 15.something MB left, and no notification. Maybe it needs to drop below 15 or get to 12.
Either way....
FRO-YO! FRO-YO! FRO-YO!
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I don't get how you've run out of space... I've got 87 apps installed on my phone (counted every icon on the pop up full program list) and still got 47MB's left...
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I don't get how you've run out of space... I've got 87 apps installed on my phone (counted every icon on the pop up full program list) and still got 47MB's left...
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A quick count up shows that 37 of those icons are pre-installed anyway, so you've not got quite so many apps as you think.
Add in a satnav and 8 or 9 games like me, and you will find yourself at the limit very quickly :-(
setspeed said:
A quick count up shows that 37 of those icons are pre-installed anyway, so you've not got quite so many apps as you think.
Add in a satnav and 8 or 9 games like me, and you will find yourself at the limit very quickly :-(
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Yeah I understand that a lot are pre-installed, but that still leaves 50 apps installed. I've not got sat nav installed (use google maps navigation) but i've got 20 games installed (nothing major like a big 3d game).
Does the sat nav install its self to the phone? Guess that would take up a lot of room...
What's the best way to clean out the phone cache etc. I found Quick Cache Cleaner that got me a few MB back from the browser.
I used the UK 3.4.3-11 ROM on my defy, with chinaphone hack to support audio record.
However, the google map on my phone (both the original 5.0.0 and updated 5.3.1 version) will freeze when starting if I've used the phone for a while. Sometimes it will generate an ANR and force close, sometimes it just reboot automatically.
I firstly thought it might be the problem that I am in china so some google links are blocked. But when I start google maps with all gprs/wifi cut off it will still freeze. With transproxy to bypass the great firewall it freezes too. It might recover after a few minutes, but not always. And it is always ok if you start google maps just after rebooting. After the phone keeps open for days it is more and more easily frozen. So I am suspecting if some software conflicts with google maps.
I also see the same thing happens on chinese forums. Someone attributes the problem to the chinese rom, but I am not using it. The logcat and dmesg tells me nothing about the reason.
Does anyone here have the same issue with google maps? I can't think of any reason for this.
Do you see page allocation failures in dmesg?
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I do.
<4>[50530.376770] RenderThread: page allocation failure. order:4, mode:0xd0
<4>[50530.377044] [<c003ad0c>] (unwind_backtrace+0x0/0xd8) from [<c00a8f30>] (__alloc_pages_nodemask+0x508/0x568)
<4>[50530.377258] [<c00a8f30>] (__alloc_pages_nodemask+0x508/0x568) from [<c00c60c4>] (__kmalloc+0x35c/0x6ac)
<4>[50530.377380] [<c00c60c4>] (__kmalloc+0x35c/0x6ac) from [<c01d4b68>] (OSAllocMem_Impl+0x20/0x80)
<4>[50530.377593] [<c01d4b68>] (OSAllocMem_Impl+0x20/0x80) from [<c01db69c>] (EnsureFreeHandles+0x90/0x180)
<4>[50530.377807] [<c01db69c>] (EnsureFreeHandles+0x90/0x180) from [<c01db7b8>] (PVRSRVNewHandleBatch+0x2c/0x40)
<4>[50530.377990] [<c01db7b8>] (PVRSRVNewHandleBatch+0x2c/0x40) from [<c01e25e0>] (PVRSRVAllocDeviceMemBW+0x20/0x1b4)
<4>[50530.378326] [<c01e25e0>] (PVRSRVAllocDeviceMemBW+0x20/0x1b4) from [<c01e0714>] (BridgedDispatchKM+0xd4/0x12c)
<4>[50530.378540] [<c01e0714>] (BridgedDispatchKM+0xd4/0x12c) from [<c01d608c>] (PVRSRV_BridgeDispatchKM+0x114/0x1f0)
<4>[50530.378753] [<c01d608c>] (PVRSRV_BridgeDispatchKM+0x114/0x1f0) from [<c00d6714>] (vfs_ioctl+0x2c/0x8c)
<4>[50530.378875] [<c00d6714>] (vfs_ioctl+0x2c/0x8c) from [<c00d6dc4>] (do_vfs_ioctl+0x558/0x5c4)
<4>[50530.379089] [<c00d6dc4>] (do_vfs_ioctl+0x558/0x5c4) from [<c00d6e64>] (sys_ioctl+0x34/0x54)
<4>[50530.380950] [<c00d6e64>] (sys_ioctl+0x34/0x54) from [<c0035f40>] (ret_fast_syscall+0x0/0x2c)
But actually the free memory is around 100MB so I suppose it is not quite a problem. what does it mean?
Let me just upload the whole dmesg (I hope no private info is recorded there).
I did some research the ev_dev errors are because of input buffer overflow, which is because the application didn't response to input (they freezed!).
I don't know if it is related to the page allocation thing, I saw other people saying they have plenty of freemem but still got frozen.
I suspect it is related to code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?can=1&id=499 and I am going to have a test.
Yes this is the thing. I experience the same issue. It is a "feature" on every froyo rom i tried including the official US.... I have not found a solution so if you find one please post it. On eclair there are no page allocation failures so i think that causes the freezes in various apps. I think it is kernel related because it is presen in CM7 too..
If you find anything pleaselet me know
I saw your post on motorola's forum supportforums.motorola.com/thread/48685?tstart=0 .
It presents in CM7?! But I suppose CM7 uses 2.3 Gingerbread which has a different version of kernel, isn't it?
If it is kernel related I suppose we can do little with it except complaining more to moto... they should unlock the bootloader!
If it is due to memory fragmentation I will try some way to aggressively defrag the memory.
BTW, have you tried the recent 3.4.9 ROM of T-Mobile?
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Yes this is the thing. I experience the same issue. It is a "feature" on every froyo rom i tried including the official US.... I have not found a solution so if you find one please post it. On eclair there are no page allocation failures so i think that causes the freezes in various apps. I think it is kernel related because it is presen in CM7 too..
If you find anything pleaselet me know
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For now CM7 uses the kernelfom the 3.4.2-177 nordic that is why the problem is in it too. I tried the stock t mobile usa, it has the problem too. So i waiting for an official european rom maybe they will corect the bug when it will be released.
I think the problem is not with the free memory of applications (which is virtual for a virtual machine), but the problem is the system_server used too much memory and the android system (or the linux memory allocator, observable by typing 'free' in the shell) don't have free memory for the openGL thing. If the system could preserve a certain amount of memory for rendering I don't think it will happen. But I don't know the mechanism of android memory allocation well. I think some sysctl constants could do this?
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For now CM7 uses the kernelfom the 3.4.2-177 nordic that is why the problem is in it too. I tried the stock t mobile usa, it has the problem too. So i waiting for an official european rom maybe they will corect the bug when it will be released.
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By the way, do you have an application that will certainly reproduce this problem by using the fewest times to start/close it? Google maps takes too long to reproduce that.
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For now CM7 uses the kernelfom the 3.4.2-177 nordic that is why the problem is in it too. I tried the stock t mobile usa, it has the problem too. So i waiting for an official european rom maybe they will corect the bug when it will be released.
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You are a genious! I try to find the sysctl settings we need. I am getting some hope now because i am fighting with this error for at least a month, with no result but now maybe we solve it A game called dungeon defenders is able to reproduce the error realy fast. It is smoothunder 2.1 but under 2.2 it will lag like hell if you start some app beforestarting the game.
I set the min free kbytes from 2048 to 8192 and testing i will report back if it is helped
THANK GOD!!!!!!!!
I thought was a problem with my defy!
The best program to test the error is Aura GPS, it a GPS in 3D, when you do a full zoom out then a zoom in again, it freezes!
And closing the app don't resolve the problem, I need to reboot the phone!
I found this problem in: AdlxMod and the official froyo of T-Mobile and Claro Brazil....
looks like changeing the min free kbytes to 4096 solves the problem. At least it is stable for me. You should try it and report back. I will let the sigic aura run for the night. If you woul like to try open a terminal emulator after restarted the phone and type in()
Code:
su;
sysctl -w vm.min_free_kbytes=4096;
I was more aggressive than you I set it to 16384 . Let's see if it will be stable for more time.
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looks like changeing the min free kbytes to 4096 solves the problem. At least it is stable for me. You should try it and report back. I will let the sigic aura run for the night. If you woul like to try open a terminal emulator after restarted the phone and type in()
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su;
sysctl -w vm.min_free_kbytes=4096;
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That is a little overkillFor me with 4096 it is stable for a day with lots of sygic aura navi and dungeon defenders. Those two program can freeze the phone in couple hours with the stock settings
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vick33 said:
looks like changeing the min free kbytes to 4096 solves the problem. At least it is stable for me. You should try it and report back. I will let the sigic aura run for the night. If you woul like to try open a terminal emulator after restarted the phone and type in()
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su;
sysctl -w vm.min_free_kbytes=4096;
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it work just fine.
thank you.
Have I to do this everytime I reboot the phone?
Thanks
Yes. I will post the permanent method when I am before my pc. I did not wanted to post before I am sure it works now I am sure
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Is anyone experiencing the same freezes when using memory intensive apps or gamez?
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does yor phone still freezes after modifiing min_free_kbytes?
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does yor phone still freezes after modifiing min_free_kbytes?
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I didn't try it yet. I'll try it after flashing official 2.2.
hi ........my note 2 has a problem in its ram ...my device reads that it has about 2010 M of total ram while the free one is at best situations is 190 M...!!
while i have just installed only face book !! i used many programs that free more rams but no thing happened
the same happened with internal storage ...device read 14 G as a total memory while it has a 2 G only for use while i didn`t have any media stored in it ?!!
any suggestions ?
ahmedelhoseney said:
hi ........my note 2 has a problem in its ram ...my device reads that it has about 2010 M of total ram while the free one is at best situations is 190 M...!!
while i have just installed only face book !! i used many programs that free more rams but no thing happened
the same happened with internal storage ...device read 14 G as a total memory while it has a 2 G only for use while i didn`t have any media stored in it ?!!
any suggestions ?
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My ram is only at 46mb-100mb if i'm lucky. it isn't a big deal with the way RAM works. you actually want your ram used rather than free.
use diskusage.
See if my signature can help you in any way.
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My ram is only at 46mb-100mb if i'm lucky. it isn't a big deal with the way RAM works. you actually want your ram used rather than free.
use diskusage.
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device hangs when using game of subway and load page icons very slowly ..
that happens when i install only one game !! what about other games and programs ..?!!
backup your contacts and do a full reset.
ahmedelhoseney said:
device hangs when using game of subway and load page icons very slowly ..
that happens when i install only one game !! what about other games and programs ..?!!
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if you look at silentvistor's sig, it gives good ideas how to reduce background processes. you can also install tb and freeze a lot of the unncessary apps if you are rooted.
i have ran tw and aosp roms, and never had close to that much free ram unless i'm constantly closing out of the apps and killing them. it actually takes more battery to kill and fully reopen an app than it does to have it running in the bg. just get rid of the apps you don't want to use/run in the background.
use diskusage to find big folders, go in there, and see why you have such low memory. if it is stuff you want to keep, get a big sd card and move it all there or use a sd swap script.
Hello everyone. I have the G4, and I just refreshed it yesterday - so I have very few apps. I downloaded the kdz from a pinned thread here, even though it said it was D, it flashed B or C. But it's OK, it updated to D all on its own.
Anyways, I opened an app and it said I had 500 mb free of RAM, which is fine. But I said "Hmm, I wonder, on a fresh install, what's eating my RAM?" so I went into the Apps in the settings and it said I have more than half my RAM free (1.5gb or so). Here is a screen shot. So then I downloaded another app and it reported the same thing, only 500mb free... I'm very confused.
A. Unused Ram = useless Ram. The more is being used the better (faster) the phone will be/react while using/opening apps.
B. Don't use Ram managers
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Pfeffernuss said:
A. Unused Ram = useless Ram. The more is being used the better (faster) the phone will be/react while using/opening apps.
B. Don't use Ram managers
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Hi, thanks for the reply. But I wasn't complaining about it being used or unused. I'm asking about why my system reports one number, while an app (ram manager or not) reports another. As I mentioned in the OP, I was curious about what I had installed that could be using so much ram that any app reports, but the system doesn't. It's a discrepancy. Not a complaint. I'd just like to understand what's happening and which number is correct. :good:
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Not a complaint. I'd just like to understand what's happening and which number is correct. :good:
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Don't forget that a lot of memory is also being used for cache. This is something the stock Settings apps doesn't display when opening it.
See for an example in the first image my current memory usage using the stock Settings app, it's stated that approximately 900MB of memory is "free". When using a system tool this would probably result in a different, much lower, number.
That is because of the cached memory. Press the three dots in the upper right and let it also show the cached memory. And presto, there it is, a more "accurate" display of all the memory being used. The value shown now should reflect the aftermarket system tools memory usage as well :good:
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But I said "Hmm, I wonder, on a fresh install, what's eating my RAM?" so I went into the Apps in the settings and it said I have more than half my RAM free (1.5gb or so). Here is a screen shot. So then I downloaded another app and it reported the same thing, only 500mb free... I'm very confused.
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It means about 1 gb of apps are setup as cached on fresh install. If you clear them you will get your 1gb RAM back.
question is why do it
https://play.google.com/store/apps/....google.com/store/apps/details?id=sa.ramtruth
What does that report your free RAM as?
Thanks guys, that makes sense, and NOW I can see all the RAM hehe.
There is no reason to do it! Ram is there to be used. I just thought it strange to see on a fresh install with very few apps running to have that little free ram! Haha. Thanks guys!