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[Q] Galaxy Nexus Screen Looks Odd?

I just bought a Galaxy Nexus from Handtec, and I notice that there are lines on the screen that resemble the texture of linen. It's not as noticeable when the brightness it set to max, but when it's darker the lines are very visible.
For other Gnex owners, is this normal? Or maybe this is the effect of the penTile?
Thanks in advance

Normal SAMOLED behavior with white backgrounds.
Get an SLCD if you are unhappy.
Just the way it is.

Thank you. No, I just wanted to know if it were normal, since I've never owned a AMOLED phone. I'm not sacrificing this baby for anything... But can anyone else with a Gnex provide more firsthand knowledge?

weskokigen said:
Thank you. No, I just wanted to know if it were normal, since I've never owned a AMOLED phone. I'm not sacrificing this baby for anything... But can anyone else with a Gnex provide more firsthand knowledge?
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I own one. More posts will get more of what I said. By all means keep reading but what I posted it universally true.
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This is because AMOLED screens use organic diodes that are more 'noisy' the less brightness there is. That does not mean it actually is more noisy, it simply means that your eyes are able to detect the noise in lower brightness while not as well when the screen is bright.
AMOLED is a funky technology, it's diodes 'age' and their colors have a short transfer period (sometimes if you have a screen turn gray, you can see the previous screens ghost for a short time in low brightness settings).
But the flaws don't outweigh the gains of AMOLED producing the most vibrant colors, contrast and saturation there are at the moment. I love it.

Even though i had an amoled phone before i got the Galaxy Nexus - my Desire was amoled - this effect wasn't very noticeable. Was having the same doubts about the Nexus, thank you for clearing it up.

Thanks for this. I posted in a thread or two about this same behavior yesterday but didn't get any concrete answers. Appreciate it. Glad my phone isn't having issues.

The ghosting is a bit annoying, but strangely I've come to like the 'linen texture'. When it's subtle.
It almost seems as if by design on the app developer's side.

weskokigen said:
I just bought a Galaxy Nexus from Handtec, and I notice that there are lines on the screen that resemble the texture of linen. It's not as noticeable when the brightness it set to max, but when it's darker the lines are very visible.
For other Gnex owners, is this normal? Or maybe this is the effect of the penTile?
Thanks in advance
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Hello, I'm total agree with you!
but my preoccupation about it dissapeared when I realized that the screen rotates extremly slowly. (galery, web browser, pdf reader...) with everything.
Sometimes even don’t rotate. I have deactivate all screen animations and the same duration. (2 seconds or more)
My nexus s was much faster with a beta rom with android 4.
Therefore I'm much more worried about this possible issue.
Do you have the same problem?
Thanks in advance!

The rotation delay is intentional. There are some ROMs (see Paul's MCR one) that speed it up a lot.

rikbrown said:
The rotation delay is intentional. There are some ROMs (see Paul's MCR one) that speed it up a lot.
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Thanks a lot for you quickly answer!
Why intentional? Makes no sense!
Greetings!

ortigosano said:
Thanks a lot for you quickly answer!
Why intentional? Makes no sense!
Greetings!
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some people (like me) like it when the slightest tilt doesnt change orientation, its better now that its a more deliberate action.

Whilst on the screen issue...
Does anyone have or have experienced a purple haze in the screen? On my device it a purple haze like colour in the bottom right corner. This changes further up the screen until it becomes (from what I can tell) a normal colour. Hardly noticeable until the screen is dimmed, then quite apparent.
I've arranged a return as I've only had it 14 days. Just wondered if this should be expected...

like that?
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c385/nyyankees3511/IMG052.jpg
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Whilst on the screen issue...
Does anyone have or have experienced a purple haze in the screen? On my device it a purple haze like colour in the bottom right corner. This changes further up the screen until it becomes (from what I can tell) a normal colour. Hardly noticeable until the screen is dimmed, then quite apparent.
I've arranged a return as I've only had it 14 days. Just wondered if this should be expected...
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kristovaher said:
This is because AMOLED screens use organic diodes that are more 'noisy' the less brightness there is. That does not mean it actually is more noisy, it simply means that your eyes are able to detect the noise in lower brightness while not as well when the screen is bright.
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Thanks Kristovaher, that is a very helpful answer. I still love my gnex and it's display!
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium

Tap browser screen for quick(er) rotate.

nyyankees3511 said:
like that?
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c385/nyyankees3511/IMG052.jpg
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Yes! Except on my screen its noticeable more on the left hand side of the phone. Is this sort of thing normal for this device?

****! I returned mine to Expansys cause i had the same issue and i tough my phone was damaged! Keep it mind my last device was the iPhone 4 which had a pretty good screen! I really don't know if i should keep this device now since you guys say its normal! My friend has a Razr and his whites backgrounds are amazing and on my Gnex they look like my screen is damaged unacceptable for a device i paid top dollar for!

I would advise you to keep it! At first it seemed awkward, but now i dont even notice it. And the fact that the black is actually unlit is simply amazing. I always look into my apps just to see the amazing contrast between the lit and unlit areas of the phone. And when you set the brightness up, you wont even see the textile lines. Trust me, it is worth it for an HD amoled screen, ICS, and a top of the line nexus phone that will always be up to date. BTW if you get the Razr instead of this nexus, i have no words...
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im not getting the Razr i was just using it a reference! Im new to android and i think I am going to stick with my Gnex i just have to wait till i get my replacement back! should i root my Gnex?

screen blackness

someone here already mentioned that the GN screen isn't as black as the gs2 or nexus s. as in, a backlight is still visible on an all black background. can others confirm this? even better, can someone who owns both phones, or all 3, take a comparison pic? thanks
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I have the Nexus and GSII side by side and there is no difference in the 'blackness' when the screens are switched off. AMOLED does not use a backlight; absolute black is represented by a switched off pixel.
One thing I have noticed is that in boot screen animation they use a grayish background rather than absolute black which is kind of stupid. Makes the screen look like a washed out LCD.

i should have been more clear. i was referring to the screen in a switched on position with lets say an all black wallpaper. i know how amoled screens use a switched off pixel for blacks but some people on these forums have claimed that they are noticing a slight backlight, especially visible in the dark
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Galaxy nexus screen is pure black; however, it does seem to have more reflection when around light, and that light makes the pure blacks look not pure black.
But if you are in a dark area, blacks are pure black.

brian85 said:
Galaxy nexus screen is pure black; howeve.
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Well, it isn't. It is as black as my Plasma TV (Panasonic GW20)...
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Mine is clearly glowing when having pure black background. Like night and day difference compared to my Nexus S which has pure black. I try to take comparison photo of the two as I'm about to send my GN for warranty.
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myself noticed this although I'm not really concerned for now ( I own a nexus s )

So are the pixels 'off' or not..that is the question!
On the Battery test thread the all Black and all White screens were comparable in battery life, which i wouldn't expect.

DirkGently said:
So are the pixels 'off' or not..that is the question!
On the Battery test thread the all Black and all White screens were comparable in battery life, which i wouldn't expect.
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No, they are not off.
AMOLED screens have a minimum voltage applied when on. To turn a OLED pixel from fully off to fully on takes a lot more power. The contrast ratio of the sAMOLED screen is something like 100,000:1.

jpalo said:
Mine is clearly glowing when having pure black background. Like night and day difference compared to my Nexus S which has pure black. I try to take comparison photo of the two as I'm about to send my GN for warranty.
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thanks, I'd appreciate a picture to see the difference
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aadvanced1 said:
No, they are not off.
AMOLED screens have a minimum voltage applied when on. To turn a OLED pixel from fully off to fully on takes a lot more power. The contrast ratio of the sAMOLED screen is something like 100,000:1.
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I guess the minimum voltage in GN has been increased at least compared to Nexus S. Here's comparison of my Nexus S (left) and GN (right). Pic is taken with 5 sec exposure. To be honest, the difference in that photo looks slightly bigger compared to what it is real life, probably because of that exposure time.
Black is from Dead Pixel Test apps black (second) screen. https://market.android.com/details?id=net.ujacha.deadpixel

aww that's kinda disappointing. I was really hoping for a pure black screen =/ you might be right about the minimum voltage increase being the cause of this

Well mine is BLACK and those pictures on my gn may look grey but the black around the phones show jet black (as viewed on my gn) Trust me blacks are black!

Disappointed, my Nexus S is really black.
Hope this is software issue and can be improved with future update.

you are correct the blackness is not pure black as my galaxy s, strange as it is using same screen technology

It is not pure black (as in a void of darkness) as it is like on my Nexus One. Very difficult to see... but seeable...

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I guess the minimum voltage in GN has been increased at least compared to Nexus S. Here's comparison of my Nexus S (left) and GN (right). Pic is taken with 5 sec exposure. To be honest, the difference in that photo looks slightly bigger compared to what it is real life, probably because of that exposure time.
Black is from Dead Pixel Test apps black (second) screen. https://market.android.com/details?id=net.ujacha.deadpixel
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It is 100% a software issue. I've just done the same test using the same app (thanks for the link) and what I've noticed was the black wasn't pure black like Nexus S but software buttons were PURE BLACK. Because they are the part of the screen itself, it means Google changed it on purpose (or it's a bug)
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Really hope this gets fixed

My screen is totally black when viewed when any light is around...like DAMN, black.
But I definitely agree when viewed in total blackness it looks like the screen has a (dim)backlight. Hopefully software and not hardware.

I think this could possible something that google have done on purpose to make the colours more "true to life" as with my S2 the blacks were gorgeous as the screen went off, but sometimes it didn't make the image very real as blacks were sometimes darker than they actually should of been
Any i don't know :/ - would be nice to have the option ie a switch on and off switch

Galaxy Nexus grainy and vertical banding screen!

how many have devices like this? It doesnt seem to disappear on mine until about half brightness up.. and even there i can slightly tell. is this a problem on most phones or only some? Also with light usage i'm losing over 10% per hour, doesnt seem right at all

All AMOLED screens have that issue at low brightness, it just varies from phone to phone. Give it a few charge cycles before you start looking at the battery. The battery on my Nexus drained extremely quickly when I first got it but it's been lasting longer and longer with each passing day (3 so far)

My screen is the same, you need to be at half brightness to get a decent image. Auto brightness in full darkness makes you think that the screen is totally broken.

yours has like bands of a different shade too? mine has one thick one on the right of the screen and it's pretty annoying.. about to go into the city tomorrow to exchange it but if there all like that then i dont know

I went in to the store, and they said that they wouldn't switch it out.

Mine looks fine at lowest brightness. I use mine mostly at.about 10% brightness and look great.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium

Yes ! I thought that mine was also broken. It is good to know i am not alone .

can we get a screenshot?

Would it even show in a screenshot? Yes, it's AMOLED... that's the way it is. More than worth it.

It wouldn't show in a screenshot since this is a hardware related issue. And I don't think it's normal if it has brighter spots like explained. Mine isn't as smooth as you would expect either at lower brightness levels but it is not like explained by the OP.
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All SAMOLEDs sacrifice clarity and color representation for slightly better black levels. Just the nature of the screen technology. All 4 Samsung models (and all 7 phones) I've come across have it.

@rbiter said:
Mine looks fine at lowest brightness. I use mine mostly at.about 10% brightness and look great.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
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in denial???

I've never seen the banding effect before, and this is coming from someone in a household with two out-of-commission Galaxy S', two GSIIs, a Focus, and my Nexus. The PenTile screen door effect can get to me if I'm looking for it, but that's the only SAMOLED issue I'm familiar with.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA App

I actually like the slightly grainy look mine has at lower brightness levels

Would Voodoo Control be compatible with this? It was an awesome feature that my Nexus S had!
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Not only is mine grainy at low brightness, it also has a pink and green tinge (in opposite sides of the screen)
It doesn't seem to happen on the 1st gen AMOLED (Nexus one, not grainy at low light) or S-AMOLED (Galaxy S, it did have an overall blue tint, but it was on the WHOLE screen)
Not completely noticeable, but would have expected better. At 40% or higher, its barely noticeable.

Got the same problem 40-50% and its barely noticable, any lower and i can see much distortion.
I know its a hardware thing but is this something that might be fixed with a future update or are we stuck with this?

The screen will look grainy on white/grey backgrounds at lower brightness settings, but there should not be any vertical/horizontal banding on the screen.
My first phone had a vertical bar of banding going down the entire screen, and bothered the crap out of me. Went in this morning and had it swapped with a Nexus that has no issues. For the price that we're paying for this phone (especially those with International unlocked imports) it better be perfect.

yup, i only ever see it in one place (the grain), and thats on the store before anything loads (an all gray background). Don't see it on white or anything else... that i know is pentile.

Galaxy Note is similar at lower brightness levels, must be AMOLED.
iPhone 4S is best if reading at lowest brightness levels is very important,
but in brighter light the Nexus and Note look amazing.

Galaxy nexus screen and speaker OK?

Hi, just got a Nexus and compared to my Galaxy s" there seems to be a kind of grain if you look closely its same all over in a uniformed pattern but on my galaxy s2 i dont seem them you can easily see it on a white background. Also my greys turn purple on the lowest brightness on 50% to 100% they are practically grey you have to stare long and hard to see a tint of purple.
Also when you make a sound 3 seconds after the speaker makes a pop noise its quite loud i can here it from nearly 6-7feet away. had to run off touch noise was driving me crazy.
Is this all normal?

Mine doesn't do anything like that

Yes the speaker makes a pop after sounds. There's a huge thread about this.

Compare to here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1394358

yeah thats all normal...sorta wish i bought a one x now...oh well
i cant even return it now...but Codename android fixed all the screen issues...looks fine now...still hate pentile though

ezcats said:
yeah thats all normal...sorta wish i bought a one x now...oh well
i cant even return it now...but Codename android fixed all the screen issues...looks fine now...still hate pentile though
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You're kinda crazy if you think you can see the pentile on this at any kind of normal usage distance.

martonikaj said:
You're kinda crazy if you think you can see the pentile on this at any kind of normal usage distance.
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Call me loco...i can...so can a bunch of other people

blair287 said:
Hi, just got a Nexus and compared to my Galaxy s" there seems to be a kind of grain if you look closely its same all over in a uniformed pattern but on my galaxy s2 i dont seem them you can easily see it on a white background. Also my greys turn purple on the lowest brightness on 50% to 100% they are practically grey you have to stare long and hard to see a tint of purple.
Also when you make a sound 3 seconds after the speaker makes a pop noise its quite loud i can here it from nearly 6-7feet away. had to run off touch noise was driving me crazy.
Is this all normal?
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I don't get these problems but yes on the lowest brightness it losses a great deal of contrast..making white a greenish grey.. its because of the pentile display. The pixels are not aligned. They're in a X shape.. you can see that on straight lines.. but really on highest brightness. The display is the best that you can get
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yea the think im seeing is the pentile i think but only if i hold the phone less than say a foot away so its not bad just noticed it more as my galaxy s2 didnt have that.
the speaker is now driving me crazy though.

Is the galaxy nexus screen artificially limited in brightness?

GSMArena did a display test on the galaxy S3 and it is much brighter at full brightness. Galaxy note is also much brighter so why is it that the nexus has such a dim HD SAMOLED screen?? Is it software based so people dont end up with terrible battery time??
I so so wish the nexus can have brighter screen, my biggest complaint with the phone.

Gambler_3 said:
GSMArena did a display test on the galaxy S3 and it is much brighter at full brightness. Galaxy note is also much brighter so why is it that the nexus has such a dim HD SAMOLED screen?? Is it software based so people dont end up with terrible battery time??
I so so wish the nexus can have brighter screen, my biggest complaint with the phone.
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Probably better for Q &A, but AOSP and vanilla Google Android has always been overly aggressive about auto brightness and keeps it quite dim more often than not. It can, and is modified by OEMs and some custom roms.

I'm not sure my screen is as dim as what other owners claim theirs to be. I have it on auto-brightness and I don't have an issue with bright outdoors or indoor. I'm not sure I'd like it to be any brighter than it already is.
Maybe I'm not used to having my screen burn a hole in my cornea.
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adrynalyne said:
Probably better for Q &A, but AOSP and vanilla Google Android has always been overly aggressive about auto brightness and keeps it quite dim more often than not. It can, and is modified by OEMs and some custom roms.
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I am talking about full manual brightness, auto brightness is never perfect on any phone but it actually isnt dim at all on my nexus S.

Dunno. I am not about to go run to Best Buy and compare, but full on brightness on my phone is uncomfortably bright in the dark and dimly lit areas, and very visible in direct sunlight.

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I'm not sure my screen is as dim as what other owners claim theirs to be. I have it on auto-brightness and I don't have an issue with bright outdoors or indoor. I'm not sure I'd like it to be any brighter than it already is.
Maybe I'm not used to having my screen burn a hole in my cornea.
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I tried the phone at a very brightly lit shop. Put the brightness to maximum manually and yet it was barely brighter than my nexus S at 50% brightness.
Brightness isnt a contest where every phone should try to beat others but it should be sufficient enough. I just think the nexus brightness isnt sufficient, it tops out at 200 nits when the minimum should be 300 nits for comfortable use in all environments.

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I tried the phone at a very brightly lit shop. Put the brightness to maximum manually and yet it was barely brighter than my nexus S at 50% brightness.
Brightness isnt a contest where every phone should try to beat others but it should be sufficient enough. I just think the nexus brightness isnt sufficient, it tops out at 200 nits when the minimum should be 300 nits for comfortable use in all environments.
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Maybe it is your phone then. I can tell you this device is easily as bright as my old Samsung Fascinate, which isn't much different from the Nexus S in screen tech.

adrynalyne said:
Maybe it is your phone then. I can tell you this device is easily as bright as my old Samsung Fascinate, which isn't much different from the Nexus S in screen tech.
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GSMArena and anandtech tests also show the galaxy nexus is the dimmest screen you will find in any of the high end android phones. A test done here on xda also showed the same thing.

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GSMArena and anandtech tests also show the galaxy nexus is the dimmest screen you will find in any of the high end android phones. A test done here on xda also showed the same thing.
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Do you want a discussion, or do you want to discount what I am saying just to argue?
Don't ask for an opinion if you are just looking for a way to discount it.
Your sites cannot vouch for my experience.
If your phone can only match 50% of what the Nexus S can in brightness, there is something wrong with it. That or you are exaggerating. This is in my opinion, but I think it is a very valid point.

The screen seems to be limited in brightness from the factory, as a matter of settings. Using AOKP Rom and increasing the color multipliers makes the screen much, much brighter, but i've read speculation that it could cause the screen to burn-in images much faster, which logically speaking, seems to make sense. Maybe it's limited by Samsung for that reason. This particular panel seems slightly more prone to image retention than the one on my Droid Charge, granted it isn't the same as burn-in, but maybe an indicator of inclination toward it...

The GSIII probably gets 2 mins of battery life. A screen that bright on 4 Cortex A9's and 4 mali 400's at 32nm....the battery is going to SUCK.

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Do you want a discussion, or do you want to discount what I am saying just to argue?
Don't ask for an opinion if you are just looking for a way to discount it.
Your sites cannot vouch for my experience.
If your phone can only match 50% of what the Nexus S can in brightness, there is something wrong with it. That or you are exaggerating. This is in my opinion, but I think it is a very valid point.
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I was not asking for opinions if the screen is dim or not but why is it. It wasnt my phone but a demo model at the shop. My experience showed me it was dim just like I had read in reviews.
I have an LCD nexus S, I am sure the AMOLED one at 50% wont be almost as bright as gnexus at 100. You know LCD's can get much brighter and the one on nexus S is particularly really bright.
I also compared galaxy nexus side by side with galaxy S2 and the difference was noticeable in brightness.

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The GSIII probably gets 2 mins of battery life. A screen that bright on 4 Cortex A9's and 4 mali 400's at 32nm....the battery is going to SUCK.
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The GS3 is only 300 nits bright, it isnt anything out of the ordinary. The one X has 500 nits screen.
And nobody is forced to keep the screen on high brightness, it's just an option to have a really bright screen and a pretty good one at that.

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I also compared galaxy nexus side by side with galaxy S2 and the difference was noticeable in brightness.
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I thought of it when you mentioned the GS2 - I had that phone for a week when it was released on Sprint, and any time the screen brightness was turned up and the screen was on for a few minutes, it would overheat and the OS forced it to low brightness until it cooled. At the time it was an issue quite a few people seemed to be having, so maybe it's limited on the Nexus for temp reasons too. As Smokeey had mentioned, battery life could be a factor as well.

Do you even OWN a GNex? I swear you're just here to troll the device.
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I have a nexus S currently. <--- Yesterday's date.

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Do you even OWN a GNex? I swear you're just here to troll the device.
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I have a nexus S currently. <--- Yesterday's date.
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Why cant I post if I dont have the device? I am thinking about upgrade from nexus S and I just made some threads about the potential issues I discovered about the device.

As long as you can see the screen who cares how bright it is. Are you trying to light up a room with it? Also, keep your phone on full brightness and you will be highly risking screen burn in so I would not recommend keeping it on full anyway even if it is not as bright as other devices.
Why would anyone purchase a phone or not purchase a phone based on it being the brightest screen out there. I can understand if you couldn't see the screen, but really? And now with the ability to change the colors and gamma of the screen, it just looks great.
So if you get the Nexus and keep the screen turned all the way up because you needed to light up your house to save money on electricity, please don't start a thread complaining about burn in.

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As long as you can see the screen who cares how bright it is. Are you trying to light up a room with it? Also, keep your phone on full brightness and you will be highly risking screen burn in so I would not recommend keeping it on full anyway even if it is not as bright as other devices.
Why would anyone purchase a phone or not purchase a phone based on it being the brightest screen out there. I can understand if you couldn't see the screen, but really? And now with the ability to change the colors and gamma of the screen, it just looks great.
So if you get the Nexus and keep the screen turned all the way up because you needed to light up your house to save money on electricity, please don't start a thread complaining about burn in.
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And wtf? My eyes Hurt if I put full brightness.. And even if I try to read on direct sun i can do easy.. I use my phone on 25% brightness and thats enough
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As long as you can see the screen who cares how bright it is. Are you trying to light up a room with it? Also, keep your phone on full brightness and you will be highly risking screen burn in so I would not recommend keeping it on full anyway even if it is not as bright as other devices.
Why would anyone purchase a phone or not purchase a phone based on it being the brightest screen out there. I can understand if you couldn't see the screen, but really? And now with the ability to change the colors and gamma of the screen, it just looks great.
So if you get the Nexus and keep the screen turned all the way up because you needed to light up your house to save money on electricity, please don't start a thread complaining about burn in.
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hehe, i bought googles flagship for 450€ and i need to care how long is screen on and i cant have it on full brightness all the time becouse i "risking screen burn"?

Ah keep LCD phone on full brightness and deal with the terrible blacks. Keep an AMOLED phone on full brightness and deal with burn-in. A perfect world we do not live in.
On a serious note screen brightness matters most when going out in the sun obviously. It can never be too bright when you are out.