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Galaxy Nexus vs Quad Core

Hello ,
Currently I am using LG Optimus 3d and looking at moving onto a galaxys Nexus , What i am basically wondering is should i upgrade now and take the upgrade to ice cream sandwhich or wait for a quad core phone coming q2 next year.
A friend will buy my LG for $400 and then i will need to contribute around 200-300 for the nexus. Is this a good choice , or a waste of money?
Thanks ,
jordan

This discussion has been made many times over the last couple weeks.
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jordanprudent said:
Hello ,
Currently I am using LG Optimus 3d and looking at moving onto a galaxys Nexus , What i am basically wondering is should i upgrade now and take the upgrade to ice cream sandwhich or wait for a quad core phone coming q2 next year.
A friend will buy my LG for $400 and then i will need to contribute around 200-300 for the nexus. Is this a good choice , or a waste of money?
Thanks ,
jordan
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That depends. If you want sheer speed, you don't care about getting the latest updates the fastest, you don't mind having a phone with a custom skin pre-defined by the manufacturer (probably can be changed by changing launcher or flashing a rom) and you don't mind waiting a few months (or longer) for the quad core phones and if you game a lot: Get a quad core phone *which probably has a better gpu than the galaxy nexus*
If you like having the best updates the fastest, having ICS first, having a huge developer base and simply having a non-bloated launcher the answer is simple: Galaxy Nexus
My verdict: I'm getting the Galaxy Nexus as an upgrade from a Motorola Milestone. The phone can only be considered of viable quality if overclocked to 1GHz (from 550mhz) and have a lot of mods installed on it which in turn decreased the battery life significantly. I also live in Canada and since the Galaxy Nexus will be out for Bell early December I'm going to settle for that since I love customizing my phone, I want the ability to have a vanilla android, the hardware is likely to be very optimized for the hardware (+ theres hardware acceleration i think), there is likely to be a huge developer base and finally I want an upgrade for my phone and I don't want to wait 4-6 months for a new device with bloatware.
Note: I also wanted to point out that this is technology. There will always be something new around the corner (take computers for example this year sandy bridge, now sandy bridge E, then ivy bridge next year), you just have to be sure that you'll be set for a good duration of time (depending on your budget) with the phone you get. Also you can look here: http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/16/2565102/smartphone-buyers-guide
Edit: I would say your phone could last a little bit longer but its ultimately your choice.

As far as I'm concerned, a quad core nexus is at least 10 months away so the Galaxy Nexus is the easy choice. I've never had a phone nearly as good as my Nexus One, and extra cores aren't going to work a miracle for performance so IMO the GN will probably be the best phone until the Nexus 4.
Maybe not in certain areas (gpu, dual core), but as an all around well rounded, well supported good experience I'd take the GN before any phone ATM. My only issue is deciding whether to import from Europe or bite the bullet on the LTE version...

I'll go for whats available now, like what one of the post said, there is always something new around the corner.
the dual core is all you need now, although the quad cord sounds good on paper, but do you really need it, and there is really no need for it at the moment.

optimus porting ics really fast, all up to you if you want 720p?
you want 720p now then do the trade, if not keep your optimus 3d. its basicly the same thing but your not getting 720p. If i were you, i would wait for quad core, thats me tho.

And changing from a i9000 SGS1 is it worth? I listen to lots of music and watch videos, but i'm not sure if the change is worth.

nexus vs. droid 4?

looking to switch from an epic 4g to either a nexus or droid 4 (both are only $99). Can anyone give input on which you think would be the better of the two and why? The phone is used for calls, a few apps here and there but mainly for email and internet surfing (and tethering from time to time).
I do like having the full slide out keyboard, but it's not something that would kill me if it was missing as I have to use the on screen keyboards for my work iphone... It is handy but not a deciding factor - any info is appreciated!

Nexus all the way! Bad ass screen and ICS!
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If you don't need the hardware keyboard, I don't see how you ever consider the Droid 4 over the Galaxy Nexus. The Nexus absolutely crushes it.
Honestly if you're gonna compare a Moto device to the GN you should be comparing the RAZR MAXX to the Galaxy Nexus.

i don't think there are any other phones with slide out keyboards worth a crap on verizon other than the droid, is there? The samsung stratosphere, but it looked to be old technology.
if anyone can, could you check out the phones listed for verizon on wirefly.com and tell me which one is the best model? i work in the IT field with double bachelor's degrees, but couldn't tell you the first thing about these damn phones other than elementary specs because every time i turn the computer on there are new ones coming out.
The sprint lady said we had until March 13th or 14th iirc to get out of the contract with no termination fee so whatever we decide on, it has to be done before then

selfinfliction said:
i don't think there are any other phones with slide out keyboards worth a crap on verizon other than the droid, is there? The samsung stratosphere, but it looked to be old technology.
if anyone can, could you check out the phones listed for verizon on wirefly.com and tell me which one is the best model? i work in the IT field with double bachelor's degrees, but couldn't tell you the first thing about these damn phones other than elementary specs because every time i turn the computer on there are new ones coming out.
The sprint lady said we had until March 13th or 14th iirc to get out of the contract with no termination fee so whatever we decide on, it has to be done before then
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As I said above, if you don't need the keyboard, the Nexus is the winner all the way. The only reason to get the Droid 4 is the keyboard honestly. Because if you didn't need the keyboard it'd be between the RAZR MAXX and the GN, and even then unless you need the battery, the GN wins again.

Droid 4 has terrible ghosting when it comes to their screen. Check the Androidpolice review of the D4. It has a video demonstrating it.

Galaxy Nexus is a pretty bad ass device. I was coming from an Epic 4G Touch on Sprint and while that phone spec wise is better then the GN, there is just something about this phone that just makes it a winner.
The GN was was to big of a device for my wife so I got her an HTC Rezound. Still a little big for her but definitely better then the GN. The Rezound has a dual core 1.5ghz processor and a 720p screen resolution. Camera is also pretty good on that phone.
This is my first Nexus device and I must say I am liking the pure Android experience.

after some more research, i think we're going to hold off. we were looking at the specs of current phones compared to our epic's from 2010 and there isn't much that has changed other than the addition of dual core cpu's. it would really be a waste for us to get new phones now and be stuck with them for two years when the galaxy s3 and a few other quad core phones with possibly 16mp cameras will be coming out this summer.
having an original ICS phone would be good, but not enough to make us sacrifice getting outdated hardware for it. I was actually really surprised to see the nexus to have such low specs with all of the anxiety they produced in december.

martonikaj said:
If you don't need the hardware keyboard, I don't see how you ever consider the Droid 4 over the Galaxy Nexus. The Nexus absolutely crushes it.
Honestly if you're gonna compare a Moto device to the GN you should be comparing the RAZR MAXX to the Galaxy Nexus.
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Well said.

selfinfliction said:
after some more research, i think we're going to hold off. we were looking at the specs of current phones compared to our epic's from 2010 and there isn't much that has changed other than the addition of dual core cpu's. it would really be a waste for us to get new phones now and be stuck with them for two years when the galaxy s3 and a few other quad core phones with possibly 16mp cameras will be coming out this summer.
having an original ICS phone would be good, but not enough to make us sacrifice getting outdated hardware for it. I was actually really surprised to see the nexus to have such low specs with all of the anxiety they produced in december.
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While the genex doesn't have the greatest hardware specs, it will have the longest support life. Most phones are lucky to get one software update, the nexus line will have software updates to the latest version of android for quite some time. Plus ICS is optimized for the genex hardware.
By far the best phone I have had, even with the stock rom.

As someone who's used both, the ONLY thing the D4 has is it's physical keyboard. The functionality of the Nexus versus the D4 isn't even in the same league! I switched over from the DROID series to the Nexus just recently and couldn't be any more satisfied.

selfinfliction said:
after some more research, i think we're going to hold off. we were looking at the specs of current phones compared to our epic's from 2010 and there isn't much that has changed other than the addition of dual core cpu's. it would really be a waste for us to get new phones now and be stuck with them for two years when the galaxy s3 and a few other quad core phones with possibly 16mp cameras will be coming out this summer.
having an original ICS phone would be good, but not enough to make us sacrifice getting outdated hardware for it. I was actually really surprised to see the nexus to have such low specs with all of the anxiety they produced in december.
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Would love to know what you will be able to due with a quad core phone that you cannot do with a dual core phone. How much faster do we really need these processors? These are mobile operating systems that don't even take advantage of dual cores none the less quad cores.
My wife has a Rezound, dual core 1.5ghz processor and an EVO View Tab single core 1.5ghz processor. Do you think her Rezound does anything her tab can't? Do you think one feels faster then the other? I am not even sure they benchmark any differently although I haven't tested them up to each other.
Bottom line, single cores can get the job done plus when quad core phones get released you will start hearing about octo cores or something.
Do you think a webpage will open up quicker with a quad core device? Nope...The only thing it might help with is 3D gaming but no developer is going to limit their games to only quad cores anyway because that would take away from there profits of everyone else who does not own a quad core phone.

axion68 said:
While the genex doesn't have the greatest hardware specs, it will have the longest support life. Most phones are lucky to get one software update, the nexus line will have software updates to the latest version of android for quite some time. Plus ICS is optimized for the genex hardware.
By far the best phone I have had, even with the stock rom.
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i'm sure it is a great phone, but these are some of the same camera specs that were on phones literally from 2010 and if i buy something that already has antiquated hardware this year, then i'll be stuck with it until 2014 and that's just not a good decision on my part.

Coming from a Droid X that has ran everything from Apex to Tranquility. Simply put, the Galaxy Nexus is the best phone on the market because of Ice Cream Sandwich. It is everything people make it out to be. I've only had the phone for about a week, and I will only buy Nexus phones from here on out. I'm running Android 4.0.4 unlocked and rooted. You do not need to change kernels or Rom the phone. ICS is perfect. I might consider overclocking in the future as I've read that the CPU in the Galaxy Nexus was underclocked from factory.

selfinfliction said:
after some more research, i think we're going to hold off. we were looking at the specs of current phones compared to our epic's from 2010 and there isn't much that has changed other than the addition of dual core cpu's. it would really be a waste for us to get new phones now and be stuck with them for two years when the galaxy s3 and a few other quad core phones with possibly 16mp cameras will be coming out this summer.
having an original ICS phone would be good, but not enough to make us sacrifice getting outdated hardware for it. I was actually really surprised to see the nexus to have such low specs with all of the anxiety they produced in december.
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Laughable, you don't the deserve a great device like the Galaxy Nexus.
Let me give you a few hints too:
1. The Galaxy S 3 doesn't have to be quad core, we have already seen Qualcomm's Krait destroy Tegra 3, quad core is just a gimmick.
Samsung are making dual core Exynos processor which might or might not appear in the Galaxy S 3.
2. The part where you said 16 megapixel camera was very funny.
I highly doubt you would ever print anything that big, not that your printer would be big enough anyway, also there would be no benefit of having that resolution on the phone.
But I guess it's ok if you like big useless numbers?
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Would love to know what you will be able to due with a quad core phone that you cannot do with a dual core phone. How much faster do we really need these processors? These are mobile operating systems that don't even take advantage of dual cores none the less quad cores.
My wife has a Rezound, dual core 1.5ghz processor and an EVO View Tab single core 1.5ghz processor. Do you think her Rezound does anything her tab can't? Do you think one feels faster then the other? I am not even sure they benchmark any differently although I haven't tested them up to each other.
Bottom line, single cores can get the job done plus when quad core phones get released you will start hearing about octo cores or something.
Do you think a webpage will open up quicker with a quad core device? Nope...The only thing it might help with is 3D gaming but no developer is going to limit their games to only quad cores anyway because that would take away from there profits of everyone else who does not own a quad core phone.
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Nah, even 3D gaming wouldn't benefit too much from a quad core, only if the game was physics or AI heavy.

At this point waiting for the galaxy 3 would be smart. Especially with the simultaneous release rumors.

dario3040 said:
Laughable, you don't the deserve a great device like the Galaxy Nexus.
Let me give you a few hints too:
1. The Galaxy S 3 doesn't have to be quad core, we have already seen Qualcomm's Krait destroy Tegra 3, quad core is just a gimmick.
Samsung are making dual core Exynos processor which might or might not appear in the Galaxy S 3.
2. The part where you said 16 megapixel camera was very funny.
I highly doubt you would ever print anything that big, not that your printer would be big enough anyway, also there would be no benefit of having that resolution on the phone.
But I guess it's ok if you like big useless numbers?
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Nah, even 3D gaming wouldn't benefit too much from a quad core, only if the game was physics or AI heavy.
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are you 15 years old? I don't "deserve" to have a specific phone? that's such a childish comment, the rest of your post doesn't even deserve an acknowledgement by dissecting it and providing the proper information.

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Would love to know what you will be able to due with a quad core phone that you cannot do with a dual core phone. How much faster do we really need these processors? These are mobile operating systems that don't even take advantage of dual cores none the less quad cores.
My wife has a Rezound, dual core 1.5ghz processor and an EVO View Tab single core 1.5ghz processor. Do you think her Rezound does anything her tab can't? Do you think one feels faster then the other? I am not even sure they benchmark any differently although I haven't tested them up to each other.
Bottom line, single cores can get the job done plus when quad core phones get released you will start hearing about octo cores or something.
Do you think a webpage will open up quicker with a quad core device? Nope...The only thing it might help with is 3D gaming but no developer is going to limit their games to only quad cores anyway because that would take away from there profits of everyone else who does not own a quad core phone.
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oh i agree that phones now do a decent job, heck i'm still happy with my epic 4g that's nearly 2 years old. but the thing is, why would i pay the same price for antiquated equipment now (the nexus) when I know for a fact that much better stuff is coming out in a few months? That's like going to a car lot and buying a 2009 camaro for $45,000 when you can wait a few months and buy a 2010 corvette for $45,000. see what i mean? it just doesn't make good sense when i've got a phone that already works for what i need it to do.
but there is something that no one is considering here, what everyone keeps comparing these quad core phones to is dual core and single core processors running SINGLE THREAD applications, because there are not that many multi-threaded apps out for phones yet. I'm going to be stuck with whatever I get for 2 years out, and will guarantee that by the end of this year as apps get more complex and programmers get deeper into their thing, they will start using multi threads on most stuff, especially the droid OS itself.
i'm not sure how old you are(you may have seen this develop as well), but i've been working in the computer industry for over 13 years now and this is the identical issue as what happened when multi-core cpu's came out for computers. people were screaming bloody murder and how senseless multiple cores were on a computer and now i don't even think the cheapest cpu's are single core. I couldn't tell you how many times that people were hating on the multi-core cpu's talking about how their single core p4's were the best. As soon as they started programming multi-thread applications, those guys put their heads back in the ostrich holes because they knew they were wrong

selfinfliction said:
oh i agree that phones now do a decent job, heck i'm still happy with my epic 4g that's nearly 2 years old. but the thing is, why would i pay the same price for antiquated equipment now (the nexus) when I know for a fact that much better stuff is coming out in a few months? That's like going to a car lot and buying a 2009 camaro for $45,000 when you can wait a few months and buy a 2010 corvette for $45,000. see what i mean? it just doesn't make good sense when i've got a phone that already works for what i need it to do.
but there is something that no one is considering here, what everyone keeps comparing these quad core phones to is dual core and single core processors running SINGLE THREAD applications, because there are not that many multi-threaded apps out for phones yet. I'm going to be stuck with whatever I get for 2 years out, and will guarantee that by the end of this year as apps get more complex and programmers get deeper into their thing, they will start using multi threads on most stuff, especially the droid OS itself.
i'm not sure how old you are(you may have seen this develop as well), but i've been working in the computer industry for over 13 years now and this is the identical issue as what happened when multi-core cpu's came out for computers. people were screaming bloody murder and how senseless multiple cores were on a computer and now i don't even think the cheapest cpu's are single core. I couldn't tell you how many times that people were hating on the multi-core cpu's talking about how their single core p4's were the best. As soon as they started programming multi-thread applications, those guys put their heads back in the ostrich holes because they knew they were wrong
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Mr been in the industry for 13 years... I been in it for like 4 years and even I know that about the only multithreaded mainstream programs used in desktops are computer games and even then its rare

TheRiceKing said:
Mr been in the industry for 13 years... I been in it for like 4 years and even I know that about the only multithreaded mainstream programs used in desktops are computer games and even then its rare
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there are plenty of database applications that utilize multi-threads, we actually have a couple of GIS mapping programs and plugins that use 16 cores at a time. ( you'd be surprised how processing intensive 500-1000mb maps with 50 or 75 layers is ) I can't get into the specifics of it, but there are hundreds if not thousands of every day applications that take advantage of simultaneous multithreading. what i manage is just a microscopic amount of what is available.
You'll have to forgive me because i'm not up on phones too much but i would say i'm fairly decent with computers, after all i do have an associates in network systems, a bachelors in information systems security, and am finishing up with my masters of information systems in June. Just these damn phones change so much and i don't have time to keep up with anything that doesn't have to do with school or work.
I really didn't mean to offend anyone about their nexus if this is where the thread is going, just because i don't think it's a good deal for me, doesn't mean it's not a good deal for someone else. heck, i've really been super happy with my epic since i switched it over to ICS, that makes a world of difference even on an old phone so i'm sure it runs great on the nexus as well.

[All Carriers] How long until...

How long until you believe this phone becomes obsolete? I hear a lot of people (and read them, too) say that this is probably the first phone they'd go the full 2 years with...however, being realistic, when was the last time you made it two years with the same device? I haven't gone two years with the same device since the original Razr was in style.
I know, I know, at 2gb ram, dual core, etc, this phone is far from becoming obsolete, so I'll rephrase that question for you: What feature on a future phone would make you make the switch from your Galaxy S3? Or are you confident enough that there will be no other phone in the next two years that can replace it?

When they release phones with 16 core Opterons in them
In the wise words of amd..:
MOAR CORES!!!!!
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My old s1 still works great
And really do we need to be able to play skyrim on a phone
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I've actually been impressed with mobile gaming...never was big on it but I have played 3D Spiderman, GTA 3, Fifa12, PES 2011 and 2012, NBA Jam, etc...been a great experience recently
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gtuansdiamm said:
My old s1 still works great
And really do we need to be able to play skyrim on a phone
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Yes
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I don't know that I have a feature that I would jump ship for at this time ... but I wonder if, in 2 years, the size and use of applications will make even 2 gb of ram obsolete?
I'm in the camp that I can see keeping this phone throughout contract, but it is hard to tell if, in 1.5 to 2 years time, 2 GB of ram is actually not enough to keep up with programs/OS requirements. I don't necessarily think so, but remember back when 256MB of ram was a lot? That wasn't TOO long ago.
But, since I don't use my phone for intense gaming, I see this phone in my future for a long while - at least until the sandwich-making feature phone is announced.

I don't think it being obsolete would be the problem. I'll just want something newer at some point before two years. My Evo 3D could have easily lasted another year for my uses, but I still got a GS3.
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banzaiwolfe said:
I don't think it being obsolete would be the problem. I'll just want something newer at some point before two years. My Evo 3D could have easily lasted another year for my uses, but I still got a GS3.
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You and I think alike. Also had Evo 3D, Razr, GNex, but still had to have the S3 and more than likely getting the Note 2 when it comes out
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Ill keep mine the whole 2 years (well 20 months or whatever it is) just like I have done with every other phone. While there may be something new and better out if you are always waiting for that you will never have a phone. That and the cost to buy phones off contract now are more than I want to spend.

Sccrluk9 said:
Ill keep mine the whole 2 years (well 20 months or whatever it is) just like I have done with every other phone. While there may be something new and better out if you are always waiting for that you will never have a phone. That and the cost to buy phones off contract now are more than I want to spend.
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That's why you make a friend who works for AT&T and gets all the new phones free who can turn around and sell em to u for 100-150...lol
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It will become obsolete sometime between Q4 2012 & Q2 2013. Qualcomm are already prepping the S4 QUAD for tablets this year and its performace is roughly x2 the Dual S4, and far exceeds the Exynos 4212+Tegra 3 if I read correctly. Technically the GPU in all Android phones are obsolete or slow in comparison to Apple's latest offerings(Imaginations is like a high-end Nvidia in the mobile-space, Adreno mid, and Tegra mid-high).
For some reason I feel someone is gonna make a 1080P phone, which is useless btw--just had to throw that out there for those that were unaware. Cores cores and more cores will probably be one of the more popular acts we see though, and 2GB-4GB Ram will be standard. Unfortunately I wish these companies would realize they need to relax b/c optimizations are practically nonexistent with Stock Android phones. I hate to constantly reference Apple & WP7/8, though it's a must. When i hear people telling me stuff like the HOAX or S3, or whatever dual/quad lags--lag. Seriously, these phones are using CPUs that theoretically should outperform the 4S/iPd3, but that's normally not the case. We are getting to a point where everyone is rushing to get out the latest and greatest, however all the hardware don't mean **** when the software can't match it.
P.S. Sorry about going off on a rant.

Ace42 said:
We are getting to a point where everyone is rushing to get out the latest and greatest, however all the hardware don't mean **** when the software can't match it.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again here, I love Android OS but in terms of refinement iOS is better put together overall (speed, battery life, overall smoothness). Thats just my opinion.
and yes, quad core, 2GB RAM-LTE device is already out there in Korea... it wont be long until our dual core, 2GB RAM, LTE gets outdone hardware-wise down here
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I have been so disappointed with the radio in my t-mobile s3 because I cannot stream music without it cutting out constantly. I am actually going to demand a microsim adapter from them and return to my vibrant. If my data sucks so bad that I cannot consistently stream music in the car, what's the point of owning this without calling it just a pda.
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p3rljam said:
I have been so disappointed with the radio in my t-mobile s3 because I cannot stream music without it cutting out constantly. I am actually going to demand a microsim adapter from them and return to my vibrant. If my data sucks so bad that I cannot consistently stream music in the car, what's the point of owning this without calling it just a pda.
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What are u streaming? And what coverage do you have? 3G? H+?
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cue_32 said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again here, I love Android OS but in terms of refinement iOS is better put together overall (speed, battery life, overall smoothness). Thats just my opinion.
and yes, quad core, 2GB RAM-LTE device is already out there in Korea... it wont be long until our dual core, 2GB RAM, LTE gets outdone hardware-wise down here
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And it only took around 2 months for it to become obsolete then, not ideal in the world I would prefer, but I suppose it can't be helped. This phone could had been so much more if Samsung stuck with the SGX instead of adopting the Mali-400. It would had been so cool to have the CPU part of the S4 combined with a dual/quad SGX543/544 like the ipad/iphones. Those GPUs outperform even the silly Tegra 3 & its fancy 16 cores(which are just 16 weak cores throw together ). I don't know what Sammy or Qualcomm were thinking about. Everyone is just dropping the ball all over the place these days.

I'm not really sure, mainly because I'm not entirely vested in this phone as it is, so it probably wouldn't take much, provided I could sell this one and cover the majority cost of a replacement phone.
I think something with sufficient horsepower to run some things which even this phone can't, but that remains to be seen. One thing that could almost definitely sell me is a flagship phone like this one that has a hardware keyboard. The problem is that I'm in the minority, so a flagship Galaxy S or Nexus phone is highly unlikely to have one, and I care ever so slightly more about the fact that flagship phones have thriving development communities, whereas one-off phones, which I may like more, won't get the same kind of attention from either developers or manufacturers.

I'll keep my phone until my contract is up. I always have (except for my BB Storm which I *****ed about until they upgraded me). My OG Droid Inc lasted for 2 years until I got this S3 and it was still in like new condition. I was tired of the small screen, but the devs here kept the phone fresh.
Hell, part of me misses my Inc. (Love this phone, though.)
Sent from an overpriced Verizon tower.

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Technically the GPU in all Android phones are obsolete or slow in comparison to Apple's latest offerings.
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Do you mean the dual core 800MHz in the 4S? That is Apple's current offering.
Since the definition of obsolete is...
1. out of use or practice; not current
2. out of date; unfashionable or outmoded
An old Startac is obsolete because it It can no longer be used. My old Motorola RAZR is not obsolete because I can still use it
for it's intended purpose.
I would say the phone will not be obsolete for many years to come. How can a device me considered obsolete if there is a phone
with a faster CPU or more memory? The phone can still be used for it's intended purpose.
My S3 can not do anything my Vibrant couldn't (with the same mechanicals), it only does it better.
Ian

w98seeng said:
Do you mean the dual core 800MHz in the 4S? That is Apple's current offering.
Since the definition of obsolete is...
1. out of use or practice; not current
2. out of date; unfashionable or outmoded
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Actually when I said latest offering I was referencing the iPad 3. And actually I stated the GPU in Android devices are all obsolete(as in not current in terms of power). The Legendary SGX543 MP4 in the iPad 3 mops the floor of every single Android device to ever touch this world, even the soon to be made Adreno 320 in the new S4 QUAD(snapdragon) fails to match the creature. Even the 4S' SGX543 MP2 is barely phased by the Mali 400, Adreno 225, and Tegra 3's laughable 16 core toy. I have no doubt that the S3's CPU is superior at all.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6022/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-review-att-and-tmobile-usa-variants/4
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6112/...agon-s4-apq8064adreno-320-performance-preview
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6054/google-nexus-7-mini-review
^Just look there, every time Apple makes everyone look like a joke. As much as I dislike Apple's methods and price gouging what I say it true.

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It will become obsolete sometime between Q4 2012 & Q2 2013. Qualcomm are already prepping the S4 QUAD for tablets this year and its performace is roughly x2 the Dual S4, and far exceeds the Exynos 4212+Tegra 3 if I read correctly. Technically the GPU in all Android phones are obsolete or slow in comparison to Apple's latest offerings(Imaginations is like a high-end Nvidia in the mobile-space, Adreno mid, and Tegra mid-high).
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Obsolete (by my definition) doesn't mean that a newer/better product exists. Every device would be a obsolete within a few months if that were the case. To me obsolescence means that it either doesn't perform modern tasks acceptably or a new product feature is so desirable that you simply don't want your old device anymore.
We all know the S3 will handle Jelly Bean beautifully. I'm pretty confident it will be good for Key Lime Pie as well. I got close to 2 years from my OG Epic (Galaxy S1) and only upgraded short of 2 years because I could. With the strong CM/AOKP support this phone has, I'm fully confident I'll have this phone the full 2 years. Unless I break it, heh.

Next generation CPU and GPU is here (snapdragon S4) and behinde the corner (exynos 5)

Doesn't it bother you? I really want the Note 2, but to think devices are shipped now with SnapDragon S4 Pro, 4 cores A15, 28NM with Adreno 320, and soon Exynox 5 Dual, also A15, 32NM and Mali-T604 really bother me. This is why I've waited for HTC's phablet, but it wasn't released yesterday
What do you think? I know the Note 2 has great performance, but soon others will have better technology... And I'm going to buy mine (if I'll buy) on December - right before CES 2013!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_(GPU)

i'm going back and forth between getting the note 2 and waiting a phone with the exynos 5250/new mali gpu.

I feel like my galaxy nexus is already as fast as it can possibly get, and I'm sure the note 2 is even faster. I don't think I will need the newer tech at least for my use I won't
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There will always be something better,in some way, than whatever you have/buy.
The note 2 is still overall the best device for me so I'm getting it.
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you will keep waiting that way. once the exynos 5 dualcore is there you will be waiting for the quadcore version. something better is always around the corner. you say you will buy a new phone in december, so just come back in december, choose the phone that is best for you at that moment, and buy it.

DubelBoom said:
Doesn't it bother you? I really want the Note 2, but to think devices are shipped now with SnapDragon S4 Pro, 4 cores A15, 28NM with Adreno 320, and soon Exynox 5 Dual, also A15, 32NM and Mali-T604 really bother me. This is why I've waited for HTC's phablet, but it wasn't released yesterday
What do you think? I know the Note 2 has great performance, but soon others will have better technology... And I'm going to buy mine (if I'll buy) on December - right before CES 2013!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_(GPU)
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In the tech world, there's always going to be the next big thing. How long should one wait is a matter of personal preference. For me, I get excited by new technology, but I always shop behind the curve, to get the best possible deal.
Here, in the US, the carriers make us sign contracts in return for subsidized pricing. So a $600-$800 phone is sold to us for $200-$300. After a few months, price drops of $50-$100 are very common. That is the time when I buy.
My first smartphone (EVO 4G) was released in April 2010 for $200. I purchased mine in Dec. 2010 for $100. Was the phone old? Sure, but did I care? No. It worked just fine, and a year later (Nov. 2011) I scored a Photon (released in April 2011) on Cragslist.
I am hoping the Note II gets released soon (October) so I can buy it in Dec./Jan. It is rumored to be around $250-$300 and by waiting a few months I can hopefully save a few $$.
It will still work and be more powerful than most devices on the market. Even if HTC, LG and others come out with a super-phone with the QC S4, it doesn't render the Note II obsolete.
So what if the HTC Quad can beat the Note II by a few points in some benchmark.
The Note has far more compelling features for me. As long as it can do the work, I don't care how fast or slow my device is. And with that 3000 maH battery, I don't foresee a problem in device usage time either.

If youre gonna have the phone a long time, 2 year + then i think you should wait and buy the top of the line.
If you change phone every year or more dont worry.. Just buy a new when a killerphone arrive
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The Note II will be a powerhouse for years, and by they time it isn't you'll already have moved on to something else.

you are all right about there will always be a newer technology around the corner, but the snapdragon S4 Pro is already here!!
i don't care about the benchmarks, i only want games to work smooth. on my Desire HD games get stuck and lag, so i want top line phone, so i could keep it for about 2 years.
sadly, im not old enough to decide by my self to sell and by a new phone, if i was, every year i would sell my current phone (in israel) and by a new one at the USA. this way i save a lot of money
the problem with the Mali-400MP is that its old... it is the GPU on the S2!!! i dont want to buy technology from more than a year ago!

GPUs and CPUs have already progressed to the point where the law of diminishing returns is starting to take effect in the realm of mobile phones. You can only push so many pixels onto a handheld screen before our eyes can't tell the difference, and the Android OS currently only needs a certain amount of gflops to do what it needs to do smoothly. I don't play PC-level demanding games on my phone, otherwise I would think differently - but right now, I'm mostly just concerned about browser preformance and the OS running without lag even with all of the widgets and programs that I need running in the background. I think the Galaxy Note II should be able to accomplish that easily. I, too, would like to see a GPU better than the Mali-400MP in the SGN2, but as long as it can handle android games and render webpages quickly, then I don't think it should be a big factor in your decision.
I think improvements in battery life, RAM, and screen are mainly what I'm looking for in this generation of phones. For the Galaxy Note II, the first two were substantially improved so I'm fairly content with that. I just don't see any better alternatives out there. A possible alternative would be the HTC 5" phone which is going to be announced soon, but I don't know all of the details on that yet. I'm not expecting much out of that phone though because, while HTC has good build quality and specs, they have been going down the path of sacrificing battery life, locking bootloaders, no SD-card, no removable battery, etc... The Galaxy Note II doesn't have these problems, and the one shortcoming (it doesn't have a Exynos 5 Dual with a Mali-T604) isn't really that big of a deal to me.
TL;DR: The SGN2 is probably the best phone you can get in the near future if you don't play extremely graphically-intensive games on your phone.

I don't play a lot of heavy games as Modern Combat 3, Asphalt 6 etc. but, when I play these games I want them to work smooth! And I'm not sure the Mali-400MP could do it in a year from now.

The new Mali-T604 will have OpenGL ES 3.0 support (Mali-400MP only supports up to 2.0). Does anyone how much this will affect performance for later releases? I would imagine that the SGN2 would still be able to play 99% of games released within the 2 years with a decent frame rate.
I don't really like playing games on my phone because the interface is holding it back in my opinion. Well, at least for FPS and anything that requires precision and more than 2 buttons.

Well my adreno 205 rage.
I can play with adreno 205 all 2012 games..
Nova 3 without problems,Max Payne without any problems..

RobyRc said:
Well my adreno 205 rage.
I can play with adreno 205 all 2012 games..
Nova 3 without problems,Max Payne without any problems..
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my phone also have Adreno 205, and its terrible! games like Jetpack Joyride and Granny Smith are laggy..

DubelBoom said:
I don't play a lot of heavy games as Modern Combat 3, Asphalt 6 etc. but, when I play these games I want them to work smooth! And I'm not sure the Mali-400MP could do it in a year from now.
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Who knows what we are doing a year from now.
Faster CPUs don't mean that much right now in some ways, because Android doesn't probably take advantage of multithreading.
It's quite possible that a year from now, threading is improved, and we see a serious performance increase with the same hardware.
Also notice this review:
http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2012/09/samsung-galaxy-note-ii-hands-on-bigger-got-better/
specifically this quote:
The biggest improvement, though, is the phone’s performance. It absolutely flies, and it’s incredibly smooth. Whether that’s due to the 1.6GHz quad-core Exynos processor or simply the addition of Jelly Bean (Android 4.1) we don’t know, but I tried hard to make it stutter and lag, and I couldn’t.
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This comes from a guy who said the Note was 'very not good', partially due to its lag.
You can be sure he went into the Note 2 determined to prove he's still right and the Note concept still sucks.
The fact that he failed is pretty encouraging.
- Frank

ChodTheWacko said:
Who knows what we are doing a year from now.
Faster CPUs don't mean that much right now in some ways, because Android doesn't probably take advantage of multithreading.
It's quite possible that a year from now, threading is improved, and we see a serious performance increase with the same hardware.
Also notice this review:
http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2012/09/samsung-galaxy-note-ii-hands-on-bigger-got-better/
specifically this quote:
This comes from a guy who said the Note was 'very not good', partially due to its lag.
You can be sure he went into the Note 2 determined to prove he's still right and the Note concept still sucks.
The fact that he failed is pretty encouraging.
- Frank
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I know its great, and the CPU is awesome, no complains. My problem is the GPU, its.......old!

But everything always gonna look old to you unless you are Apple fanboy/girl. I don't mean that negatively, but let's face it. By the time SoC manufacturor announce new chip, a phone manufacturor have to wait a few months to get their hand on the chip, then a few months later, engineering unit is out. By the time the production unit hit the shelf then that is like half a year already, by then another SoC company gonna announce something new. If all the SoC and phone manufacturors act like Apple and keep everything secret then may be you won't feel that way but that's simply because you are kept in the dark.

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But everything always gonna look old to you unless you are Apple fanboy/girl. I don't mean that negatively, but let's face it. By the time SoC manufacturor announce new chip, a phone manufacturor have to wait a few months to get their hand on the chip, then a few months later, engineering unit is out. By the time the production unit hit the shelf then that is like half a year already, by then another SoC company gonna announce something new. If all the SoC and phone manufacturors act like Apple and keep everything secret then may be you won't feel that way but that's simply because you are kept in the dark.
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I know, but the Mali-400MP was shipped with the Galaxy S2! This is very old in "smartphones years".

Man you talk about the mali400 being old like it experienced the great depression. How depressing. It is still a nice and widely supported gpu. The adreno320 is prbably better but doesnt get as much support which would be a bummer for the gamers. If you really want to wait for the t604 find somewhere else to talk and whine about that. The mali is coming whether you like it or not and i am quite sure many are happy with the decision.
need more high def music...

DubelBoom said:
I know, but the Mali-400MP was shipped with the Galaxy S2! This is very old in "smartphones years".
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It it concerns you that much, I don't know what to tell you. Just don't get the Note I guess.
I don't think anyone can prove/disprove theories on how the Note 2 will be in the future.
- Frank

your opinions on the SNAP model vs EXY model

Hello
I just want to collect your guys' opinions regarding the Snap and Exy version of SGS4.
(This is why I am posting this thread on AT&T, Sprint and T-mobile forums, to gather as much as possible)
Since I have partial Korean background, I do catch up with reviews made by Korean forums and their users. (all of them got Exy)
The main problem that was pointed out was overheating problem. Is there any Snap user who's experiencing this issue? (apparently, you have to run hardcore processes for more than a hour)
I heard that Sammy chose to supply 70% of their SGS 4 to the globe with Snap and the reason was that I actually found out the overheating problem later during their development and could not manage to implement all of their productions with Exy. (Despite the fact that different regions have different frequencies. But even so?)
This made me to think that SGS 4 did not receive enough attention that it deserved from Sammy this time. Look, let's be generous and understand that the design belongs to everyone's preferences. In the early half of this year, it's competitors released devices that were extraordinary, something that we couldn't see from them for long time (e.g. Xpe Z, htc ONE and Lumia 920).
And no, I am not a Samsung fan-boy since I used both iOS (iPhone 4) and Android (Xperia P, V) for almost equal amount of time. But honestly? I think Sammy is heading in the wrong way these days. The image I used to perceive from Sammy's flagship models until now was that they are massacring spec phones that heightens the standards of all android phones. And this time? well..., (only AP-wise I'm talking) I just think it's better version of htc ONE or Optimus G Pro (which has not been released yet). I didn't care about their design and UI, or them not respecting copy-rights and I seriously doubt that there's a single person who buys SGS series for the sole reason of its brilliant design or TouchWiz. I did not expect them to come up with concepts like "Designed for Humans" or "Life Companion" and did not even want them to. Yet, these days, I feel like Samsung is stepping down from its throne of the hardware kingdom. Why... why... and why do they divide their "flagship" into different AP models without any hesitation?
This became a concern for me recently because my dad had an opportunity to buy either the Snap or Exy model. And since the Snap offered to at price that was $200 cheaper than the Exy, he obviously bought the Snap. HE is a Korean, so he has this Samsung pride(?). Whenever he meets up with his family or friends, he tells them how good his SGS 4 is (exactly like the commercials). As a son, I don't find this annoying at all and I really do like seeing my old man being proud of his product. And if this phone was for me, I would be quite happy to use any of these two models. But because of the given situations, I sometimes get a feeling that Samsung is deceiving their old followers (even if they do not intend to) and makes me little uncomfortable.
I know the Snap model performed better in GPU tests but if Samsung decides to update their Exy model with a firmware that allows MP processing, I think the result are going to be dramatically changed. The gap between these two models are quite severe in their CPU tests.
Would they be ditching their Snap users just like this??? I am indeed quite worried. It has not been a year yet after the release of their highly-acclaimed SGS 3, so maybe, they should have delayed the launching date of SGS 4 to implement Exy in all their products.
I guess my grumbles got horribly long in this thread and as I am a person who makes a lot of mistakes, please feel free to correct me

reanew said:
Hello
I just want to collect your guys' opinions regarding the Snap and Exy version of SGS4.
(This is why I am posting this thread on AT&T, Sprint and T-mobile forums, to gather as much as possible)
Since I have partial Korean background, I do catch up with reviews made by Korean forums and their users. (all of them got Exy)
The main problem that was pointed out was overheating problem. Is there any Snap user who's experiencing this issue? (apparently, you have to run hardcore processes for more than a hour)
I heard that Sammy chose to supply 70% of their SGS 4 to the globe with Snap and the reason was that I actually found out the overheating problem later during their development and could not manage to implement all of their productions with Exy. (Despite the fact that different regions have different frequencies. But even so?)
This made me to think that SGS 4 did not receive enough attention that it deserved from Sammy this time. Look, let's be generous and understand that the design belongs to everyone's preferences. In the early half of this year, it's competitors released devices that were extraordinary, something that we couldn't see from them for long time (e.g. Xpe Z, htc ONE and Lumia 920).
And no, I am not a Samsung fan-boy since I used both iOS (iPhone 4) and Android (Xperia P, V) for almost equal amount of time. But honestly? I think Sammy is heading in the wrong way these days. The image I used to perceive from Sammy's flagship models until now was that they are massacring spec phones that heightens the standards of all android phones. And this time? well..., (only AP-wise I'm talking) I just think it's better version of htc ONE or Optimus G Pro (which has not been released yet). I didn't care about their design and UI, or them not respecting copy-rights and I seriously doubt that there's a single person who buys SGS series for the sole reason of its brilliant design or TouchWiz. I did not expect them to come up with concepts like "Designed for Humans" or "Life Companion" and did not even want them to. Yet, these days, I feel like Samsung is stepping down from its throne of the hardware kingdom. Why... why... and why do they divide their "flagship" into different AP models without any hesitation?
This became a concern for me recently because my dad had an opportunity to buy either the Snap or Exy model. And since the Snap offered to at price that was $200 cheaper than the Exy, he obviously bought the Snap. HE is a Korean, so he has this Samsung pride(?). Whenever he meets up with his family or friends, he tells them how good his SGS 4 is (exactly like the commercials). As a son, I don't find this annoying at all and I really do like seeing my old man being proud of his product. And if this phone was for me, I would be quite happy to use any of these two models. But because of the given situations, I sometimes get a feeling that Samsung is deceiving their old followers (even if they do not intend to) and makes me little uncomfortable.
I know the Snap model performed better in GPU tests but if Samsung decides to update their Exy model with a firmware that allows MP processing, I think the result are going to be dramatically changed. The gap between these two models are quite severe in their CPU tests.
Would they be ditching their Snap users just like this??? I am indeed quite worried. It has not been a year yet after the release of their highly-acclaimed SGS 3, so maybe, they should have delayed the launching date of SGS 4 to implement Exy in all their products.
I guess my grumbles got horribly long in this thread and as I am a person who makes a lot of mistakes, please feel free to correct me
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@ OP
My taughts about the exynos 8 headed snake and the 4 headed snapdragon is that folks like myself in the USA once again got the stick up our arses. I once pridicted in the SGS3 thread that samsung would do exactly same as with sgs3 which was releaseing a dualcore in usa and quad core in the UK. And they advertise big gs3 quadcore to hype their sale pitch while putting the stick up costomers behind because obviously 90% people dont look at specs of their phone. Well once again its same,gs4 quad in usa while octacore UK. The whole excitement for me was the octacore and their new "big little idea" which was claim to save power consumption etc.
Anyway I own the gs4 snapdragon model now simply because I would have had to stick to 2G speed if I had gotten the exynos model due to lack of band support for network in USA.
The whole overheating thing is not new,the exynos sgs3 and the old snapdragon htc one I had own all over heated despite different cpu when playing games or doing heavy tasks. I also experience it with the gs4 but only while playing games. I must say that it looks like Samsung did spend more time tweaking the governor behavior because on light tasks while multy tasking the cpu dont just jump to the highest frequency as frequently as in their other phones as to consume power unnecessary. But all 4 cores goes online too quickly but at least they go offline fast. So theirs still stuff to be tuned that can dramatically improve cpu efficiency and function.plus wance we get some custom kernels to tweak the voltages of the cpu and gpu it should stop the overheating. Most times over heating is also caused by the cpu frequency ramping up to the highest speed and staying their too long. The snapdragon processor is very fast I must say. Havent had a slowdown since I bought the phone and for stock,battery life is verygood.I could go threw more than a day with medium to light tasks.
Also another thing that Samsung corrected was the oversaturatedness of the screen color which was awfull in the previous sgs3,the brightness of the screen have also improved while in the sunlight compare to the gs3 screen. Thankfully their was Andrelux that released his Perseus kernel in the gs3 section to combat that color problem and everything else I mentioned above plus more. Hopefully their will also be some good dev in the gs4 section to improve user experience. Overall I find the gs4 a decent upgrade weather it have the snapdragon or exynos since samsung corrected and improve upon most things and some that I may have forgot to mention.
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In the side by side tests I did, the i9500 beat the M919 in every area including the GPU, screen response, UI smoothness, HSPA+ data speeds, etc. As far as the heat is concerned I have read an equal amount of complaints on both forums.

I did this with the ONE X Tegra. Wanted the better processor and got what I wanted. Butt suffered because of the USA Bands.
I WANT the 8 core S4 but here it goes again///// USA bands. So i got the TMO version this time.
Overheating was not a huge deal for me. But it does get quite hot when I'm doing lots of tasks.
I say this alll the time. I want the manufacturers to put out 1 device and then a Chipset with all the bands for all the carriers world wide. Then tell the carriers that they need to suck it up and sell the phone as designed and NO re working it for each carrier. A TRUE world phone.
I feel; the features on a device should be limited by the software per carrier, not the hardware.

Well...the 8 core Exynos is really just 2 quad core processors that don't run simultaneously..so I don't really see the big deal. Also, Exynos development absolutely sucks.

According to Engadget the Exynos bests the Snapdragon in about the same amount of tests as the Snapdragon beats the Exynos. A surprising result of their tests shows that the Snapdragon beats the big.LITTLE architecture in a video playback duration test by about 20%
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skygear said:
I did this with the ONE X Tegra. Wanted the better processor and got what I wanted. Butt suffered because of the USA Bands.
I WANT the 8 core S4 but here it goes again///// USA bands. So i got the TMO version this time.
Overheating was not a huge deal for me. But it does get quite hot when I'm doing lots of tasks.
I say this alll the time. I want the manufacturers to put out 1 device and then a Chipset with all the bands for all the carriers world wide. Then tell the carriers that they need to suck it up and sell the phone as designed and NO re working it for each carrier. A TRUE world phone.
I feel; the features on a device should be limited by the software per carrier, not the hardware.
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Thats true,the Hardware should be manufacture as it was advertise and intended. Most people would purchase a smartphone or other device specifically from samsung and do not know anything about the hardware background specifications. Only that "yaayy I have the GS4". Also the carriers such as tmobile for example leaves out the CPU specifics in the list of hardware specs. So its a easy advantage to just slap just about anything in a phone and sell it for same price in the big usa. The dual core gs3 sold for same price as the UK quadcore gs3,infact it sold better in usa if I rember.
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Well...the 8 core Exynos is really just 2 quad core processors that don't run simultaneously..so I don't really see the big deal. Also, Exynos development absolutely sucks.
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You should readup here which explains more about the 8 Core exynos.
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=39172453
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mamba720027 said:
Thats true,the Hardware should be manufacture as it was advertise and intended. Most people would purchase a smartphone or other device specifically from samsung and do not know anything about the hardware background specifications. Only that "yaayy I have the GS4". Also the carriers such as tmobile for example leaves out the CPU specifics in the list of hardware specs. So its a easy advantage to just slap just about anything in a phone and sell it for same price in the big usa. The dual core gs3 sold for same price as the UK quadcore gs3,infact it sold better in usa if I rember.
You should readup here which explains more about the 8 Core exynos.
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=39172453
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Read up on the fact that it is currently not utilizing the 8 cores? Or the fact that if it does use the 8 cores it will not be optimized anyway so it will be basically worthless? Tell me what to read up on. Oh, it might make your benchmarks higher..sweet bro.

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Read up on the fact that it is currently not utilizing the 8 cores? Or the fact that if it does use the 8 cores it will not be optimized anyway so it will be basically worthless? Tell me what to read up on. Oh, it might make your benchmarks higher..sweet bro.
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Im not going into pointless arguments with you. You clearly have not looked at the linkd I refered you too because then you would not be asking all the useless questions youre asking me.
This is why their is always pointless arguments,simply because reading is not emphasize enough on XDA to educate people on the topic before they begin to criticise and pout senseless discussions.
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I personally have both and the i9500 runs laps around the M919. The M919 is laggy as a mofo, + the bloat (removable or not), + international will always see updates 1st. Once the Little.Big architecture is full understood it;s game over. We do have 8 cores and kernels are being worked on to enable all 8. The m919 will always have 1/2 that, period.

KillaHurtz said:
I personally have both and the i9500 runs laps around the M919. The M919 is laggy as a mofo, + the bloat (removable or not), + international will always see updates 1st. Once the Little.Big architecture is full understood it;s game over. We do have 8 cores and kernels are being worked on to enable all 8. The m919 will always have 1/2 that, period.
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You sound like a broken record. I own the M919 running stock and I have yet to experience any lags you mention. For me this is not a competition as which phone is faster,true speed is important but its about the technology behind the makeing and how well it balance in terms of speed and battery. Especially battery performance ,which I think is the reason behind this so call big little architecture samsung have came up with. After all how big are they gonna keep makeing each generation of phones in order to squeeze in a bit more juice into a bigger size battery to run these so call faster more powerfull processors each time a new device comes out, thus the big little thing. If you think about it battery technology have not change since the crack of smartphones and maybe further back but the high demands for speedy more battery hungry chips are in demand each day as productivity increases.
Now I wish I had the octa core to see how it works if any improvement but sadly I dont. From my experience so far with the M919,its very fast cause all 4 core kicks in immediately wether its a small or big task(mean it waste battery),it gets warm to hot too quick while playing games (battery waste again) but the graphics are excellent. Theirs lots of room for improvement on the processor such as a custom kernel to undervolt and regulate the cores to work more efficiently. I randomly left my phone ideling for 24hours and few hours connected to wifi at home and I had a 15% battery drain with about 7mins of use. I had nothing syncing. I think that was good but also can improve with kernel tweaks wance available.
Take note the amount of info I have given you on one device. I didn't just blahh out "m919 is garbage because its slow and I9500 is the fastest **** on the block" unless people just wanna look at benchmarks daily and say "I feel so proud my phone is the fastest ****". It maybe faster yes but right now the software can only function as fast as it was optomize to be if you understand. And I dont know where you get your intell from to pridict product updates and kernel development,im sure their will be kernels and updates available as same with older phones. No one is left out of anything.
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My intel ? seriously bro ? International versions always get updates 1st because the carriers don't have to add all their crap. i have used both in real world environment and the M919 lags on the accuweather live wallpaper from the S3. It's not a comparison of benchmarks, m919 is laggy. You don't have to get all bent because I provided a factual analysis......

KillaHurtz said:
My intel ? seriously bro ? International versions always get updates 1st because the carriers don't have to add all their crap. i have used both in real world environment and the M919 lags on the accuweather live wallpaper from the S3. It's not a comparison of benchmarks, m919 is laggy. You don't have to get all bent because I provided a factual analysis......
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True that if youre waiting on the carrier to release an update its a whole new story but if youre here on xda or aware of the community then you know thats not a problem.
Have you ever taught the Accuweather was optomize N design to run on the S3 flawless. I couldent evin find that wallpaper existance on the playstore.So its prob garbage cause theirs other accuweather live wallpaper available their that works fine.
Im currently running the "Ditalix live wallpaper" which was design for highend devices like the Galaxy S4 and GS3 to look beautiful and run flawless like silk and uses up the largest amount of memory I have ever seen for a wallpaper 256mb in the background,yet no lags. if you were to read the reviews for it on the playstore you would notice it indeed does not work on just any device. So if that can run so good on the M919 I dont see why a low rated Accuweather wallpaper for the old gs3 cannot unless like I said,it was specifically optomize for the gs3 device screen etc. Low fps + low resolution scenario. Anything will lag and look crappy with that case.
This is why prople are misleaded sometimes because a few people screwup and they wisper something is not good cause they had such a terrible experience when its not the device fault.
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Well when you actually have both in hand, your input will be more valuable. It's not just the live wallpaper from the G2 (that's actually where it originates) but simple menu actions, retuning to the home screen, etc. You can say all you want, but without proof from both sides if is YOU that is the broken record. Nobody said the M919 was a terrible experience either, I'm not bashing the device. This thread is for comparisons against the i9500 octa, to which I see significant differences. Are they monumental? No. Do they exist? Yes. For people where the price is close enough to have a choice, this may actually help them make a better, educated decision based of real world experience. I was in the market for either the M919 or i9500 and snagged the octa for the same price I would have paid for the T-Mobile version. I get no LTE in my area and the HSPA+ is plenty for me, so it was an easy choice. About the updates you seem to be missing key information, for carrier branded units the updates have to be leaked, tweaked, modified and ripped from other models 1st if you don't want to wait. International users will always see these 1st as they roll out from Samsung directly.

Another day, another ****-measuring contest...
They're both top-tier devices. There are only a handful of comparable handsets, and the only ones I can think of that're clearly more powerful are the (China-only) Medfield-core Lenovo K-series.
The Exynos will probably be the winner between i9500/i9505, WHEN/IF the driver issues are worked out, but till then the best device is whichever one's in your hand.

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Well when you actually have both in hand, your input will be more valuable. It's not just the live wallpaper from the G2 (that's actually where it originates) but simple menu actions, retuning to the home screen, etc. You can say all you want, but without proof from both sides if is YOU that is the broken record. Nobody said the M919 was a terrible experience either, I'm not bashing the device. This thread is for comparisons against the i9500 octa, to which I see significant differences. Are they monumental? No. Do they exist? Yes. For people where the price is close enough to have a choice, this may actually help them make a better, educated decision based of real world experience. I was in the market for either the M919 or i9500 and snagged the octa for the same price I would have paid for the T-Mobile version. I get no LTE in my area and the HSPA+ is plenty for me, so it was an easy choice. About the updates you seem to be missing key information, for carrier branded units the updates have to be leaked, tweaked, modified and ripped from other models 1st if you don't want to wait. International users will always see these 1st as they roll out from Samsung directly.
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Now you seem to be makeing more sense and posting a proper comment so people can actually make an intelligent decision. Unlike your first 2 posts.
Youre lucky to have good hsdpa+ in your area running I9500 cause when I had the international galaxy s3 tmobile had just made the transition over to support international bandwith for hsdpa+ and the speed and signal was terrible in my area. Had to use 2g speeds. Thats the reason I did not purchase the international model of the galaxy s4 this round,i dont care for lte,3G speed or 4G which I now have would do it for me. Im dont regret my purchase of the M919 cause so far my experience is good.
The only thing I could say to folks looking to buy in the USA and leaning towards the M919 is if possible stay away from tmobile and buy it non carrier branded from a reputable source if the price is right. Tmobile sells the phone at full price if you wanna avoid the monthly down payment but despite buying it at full price and already haveing a contract with them, they sell you it with a contract plus new number as part of the whole deal which is totally ridiculous. Then u have to go threw the idiotic process of canceling it wance u receive your device.
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