OK!!!!I Know many S-ON users might be itching to s-off there devices and desparately waiting for it to come..to be frank I'm with you guys
So after some looking and thinking I have theorised a few things that I want to share as we wait.....These might not be true 'cause its just a theory
1-Our WFS' currently weren't able to get s-offed because of goldcard problems.
2-The XTC-Clip makes goldcards in some different manner which is why our goldcards don't work
3- The model A510C(CDMA) can be s-offed easily without an XTC-Clip because it doesn't have a sim card slot(correct me if I'm wrong).And also the XTC-Clip couldn't s-off this model....so good for them
4-We need some dev's help in finding out how the XTC-Clip makes goldcards(reverse engineering maybe??)
5-The current goldcard tools won't do any good for WFS' other than the A510C
6-Dont ask me anything just now because I'm on my bed typing this post on my S-ON WFS and its about 1 A.M. here
XTC clip makes the goldcard like any other program, or how you do it manually. It's the actual xtc clip which does all the unlocking. You could make your own goldcard and use the xtc clip and it will still S-off
Yeah, but it's in the hardware mate not in the software, i.e. not the goldcard. It's something that the clip actually does.
As I said It's just a theory......I actually don't know how the XTC-Clip works cuz I don't have it and I'm unable to buy one(not available easily here and too damn expensive for 1 time use)
why have to keep making useless new threads in regards to this?? can't just post this in one of already 3-4 s-ff without xtc clip threads????
Anyways you need xtc clip to s-off... has nothing to do with gold card being made with xtc clip.
I heard that NOOK is permanently rooted without unlocking the bootloader by a XDA Dev.....why dont we request to XDA DEVS to root this thing.......a moderater can help.....
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I have had a few pm's from users asking for help rooting their phone.
The reason your device may not bee rooted is because your phone is not S-off
Gingerbreak only works for S-off devices and as mine is S-off it allows me to root my phone.
So remember people if you want root at the moment you need S-off and the only way is by using the xtc clip.
Hi imlgl, and thanks for these news.
I am new with Android Stuff, and I am just wonder about "S". I own a Wildfire S.
But what does it mean to have an "S" phone, and what are the advantage and disadvantage to make one S-off?
thanks
Hi.
The S just stands for the new version of the Wildfire. The same as the Incredible S and Desire S.
S-off allows you to have full root accesss to the phone with no limitations. And it also allows rooting as the new phones have the encrypted bootloader. There are many advantages to S-off some of which I don't even know.
hi,
thanks, and do you think it will never work without this xtc clip?
bye
Andy
Not for the time being. There could be an exploit which allows no hardware, or HTC could unlock the bootloader for the Wildfire S
Folks,
Just wondered if Revolutionary is working on a Wildfire S (My Son's phone) solution for S-OFF'ing ?
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Folks,
Just wondered if Revolutionary is working on a Wildfire S (My Son's phone) solution for S-OFF'ing ?
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Had you used the search function, you wouldn't be wondering anymore...
Hi everyone. First off, I saw the video before watching, I searched the forum, I tried google but I'm a complete noob and a lot of the things I've read don't make much sense to me or I'm not sure if my phone falls under 'rootable' or 'unrootable, needs xtc clip or w.e'
I have an HTC Wildfire S with Bell. I checked and it says "S-ON", its Android 2.3.3 with HTC Sense 2.1 at first I was going to use this tutorial but I wasn't sure if my phone falls under that since it has "S-ON"
Also...lets suppose I can root it, how do I go about unrooting just in case I need to take it for warranty or something? (since I payed extra for that). I read something about EUU? But again, it didn't make much sense to me.
Sorry, I swear I searched hard to find an answer :S
You cannot root you phone if it's s on. Only way is to buy x clip which is almost the same price as of the phone :/
Thanks for the reply. Damn, I was hoping that wouldn't be the answer. Well that sucks, thanks anyways.
xtc clip is currently about 80% off at the moment on their website due to them discontinuing the PAYG clip....
For us in the UK, it means the XTC Clip is just shy of £40
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Hi everyone. First off, I saw the video before watching, I searched the forum, I tried google but I'm a complete noob and a lot of the things I've read don't make much sense to me or I'm not sure if my phone falls under 'rootable' or 'unrootable, needs xtc clip or w.e'
I have an HTC Wildfire S with Bell. I checked and it says "S-ON", its Android 2.3.3 with HTC Sense 2.1 at first I was going to use this tutorial but I wasn't sure if my phone falls under that since it has "S-ON"
Also...lets suppose I can root it, how do I go about unrooting just in case I need to take it for warranty or something? (since I payed extra for that). I read something about EUU? But again, it didn't make much sense to me.
Sorry, I swear I searched hard to find an answer :S
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Regis1,
from the moment you decide to start rooting, you loose your warranty. At the moment there's no way back from S-OFF to S-ON. Putting your phone in S-OFF (security flag OFF) is the same like removing the VOID sticker...
First think about why you wan't to root. Install unbranded ROM, another language, ...
If your phone is working like it should, I wouldn't root it...
IF you decide to root, you can try to follow this thread (if u have HBOOT 0.90.0000):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1142529
(HOWTO for creating a goldcard is in one of the reply's)
IF you have a newer HBOOT, 1.03.0000 like I had, you need to buy an XTC PayG clip. These cost around 30 euros on eBay. This will put your phone S-OFF and from then on you can flash a custom recovery or any Wildfire S ROM (with root access) you want.
PS: the thread you specified, is for a Wildfire, not he Wildfire S and doesn't work...
^^Thanks for the reply. Ya, I wanted to install some custom rom as my battery seems to die quickly and I was hoping I could install a rom (its called rom right? lol) that is good for battery life. Forget what it's called but seeing as how you're saying it automatically voids my warranty and there's no going back its really not worth the trouble. I'll just google some methods to save battery life and look at a thread I saw here. I do like my phone overall and have no problem with it, I just figured that if I can make it more customizable then why not. I kind of imagined it would be like jailbreaking an iPhone so I thought why not. Turns out I'm wrong.
@taffypride: Well that's about $60 for me which isn't worth it at the moment, just as I said. Thanks though.
I suppose I'll keep my phone the way it is for now. Thanks for all the replies.
HTC wouldn't care if it's S-off as some phones are shipped that way, the xtc clip is a one time purchase and will be updated to unlock newer phones within the future, also unrooting is very easy. All you have to do is install an RUU from your region or a WWE (World wide edition)
Well I bought extra warranty from the store I bought it from (bestbuy) so this isn't a manufacturer warranty. But both ways it seems like too much of a headache at the moment anyway. I'd rather wait until I've had the phone for a while and am bored with it. That would be a perfect time for rooting experiments
You will get bored quickly. After rooting it the possibility's are endless.
unroot htc wildfire s (s-on)
i have htc wildfire s (asia india version,build:2.13.720.1)
you can root your phone via unlocking your bootloader(s-on) and then use htc supertool.
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HTC wouldn't care if it's S-off as some phones are shipped that way, the xtc clip is a one time purchase and will be updated to unlock newer phones within the future, also unrooting is very easy. All you have to do is install an RUU from your region or a WWE (World wide edition)
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Hello, I am from India, I started to unlock the bootloader from htcdev.com but it seems to be backdated from my phone!
i also selected htc asia india but my software number is 2.26.720.18!! which is way advanced than that!!!! where can i find such an advanced ruu????
Just do that without ruu file, from list of models pick All other supported models, last choice in that list
Sent from my HTC Wildfire S A510e
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portoskt said:
Just do that without ruu file, from list of models pick All other supported models, last choice in that list
Sent from my HTC Wildfire S A510e
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So should I choose a model which is advanced than wildfire?
Plz suggest a model!
And should I proceed to step1 without proccessing my phone with the ruu??
Proceed without ruu
Sent from my HTC Wildfire S A510e
Galaxy Ace
mallik.android said:
So should I choose a model which is advanced than wildfire?
Plz suggest a model!
And should I proceed to step1 without proccessing my phone with the ruu??
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Sorry for offtopic. Galaxy Ace almost same price as wildfire s.:laugh::good: U should better buy that one. Wildfire S sucks.
Just bought my wife a sim free wildfire s for chrimbo, it did OTA to 2.3.5 which was good, am I right in thinking unless I get xtc clip to S-OFF I can's put any custom roms on it?
Correct. If you own a WFS with a sim [gsm], you will need to s-off [with xtc clip, root [several methods but I like the un-rooting app on market], suggested you install a cwm recovery [alquez has one], then flash your choice of custom rom [alquez has cm7 [[aosp flavor]], jikarantu has some great sense flavored ones, etc]. Wish you well.
Rob
Sent from my HTC Wilfire S A510c
Thanks for that, just wanted to make sure i had understood everything id read, tbh it probably wont even be an issue until it runs out of app space, i dont think she will install that much tbh but if it does become an issue ill just have to get an xtc-clip
1. How S-ON after XTC-CLIP ? Riff Box help ?
2. How send command [email protected]=7,1 ?
Kamil1987 said:
1. How S-ON after XTC-CLIP ? Riff Box help ?
2. How send command [email protected]=7,1 ?
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sorry to burst your bubbly man but xtc clip is NOT reversible. end of. it doesn't save any backups of what it changes at all so your stuck like.
no program will give you s-on, or return you to your orginal simlock or cid as xtc clip changes the secure-flag and deletes the rest....
Yesterday i turned on S-ON after XTC-CLIP in HTC Wildfire and HTC Legend, in HTC Desire S still does not work. In the evening I'll check on HTC Wildfire S
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Yesterday i turned on S-ON after XTC-CLIP in HTC Wildfire and HTC Legend, in HTC Desire S still does not work. In the evening I'll check on HTC Wildfire S
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what? how? just so we are clear you have managed to take a s-offed htc wildfire by xtc clip and make it s-on again?!?!
Secret On HTC Wildfire S also working but HTC Desire S not working.
On HTC Desire Z not working.
Kamil1987 said:
Secret On HTC Wildfire S also working but HTC Desire S not working.
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What is the point in posting if your not going to share. I have no need for this but it pissed me off when people come on glory and money hunting,cos if you didn't intend making any money from this then you would share.
For me you can just jog on.
UTID
slymobi said:
What is the point in posting if your not going to share. I have no need for this but it pissed me off when people come on glory and money hunting,cos if you didn't intend making any money from this then you would share.
For me you can just jog on.
UTID
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+1 this is a community based on helping and sharing information and ideas. what is the point of trying to come off with comments like that? are you just trying to get a kick out of it are you generally trying to piss people off?? i bet your just some kid somewhere trying to get jollys from people who took the plunge with the xtc clip as rev. wasnt about.
come back when you ACTUALLY have something of use or you grow up. and i dont expect either soon.
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+1 this is a community based on helping and sharing information and ideas. what is the point of trying to come off with comments like that? are you just trying to get a kick out of it are you generally trying to piss people off?? i bet your just some kid somewhere trying to get jollys from people who took the plunge with the xtc clip as rev. wasnt about.
come back when you ACTUALLY have something of use or you grow up. and i dont expect either soon.
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sorry to bump a old thread he lie's it is NOT possible on ANY device. as all data is wiped when secure flag is wiped NO WAY BACK. as you cannot write that deleted data back to the phone. even if you got hold of the needed data you still wouldnt be able to flash it. and did u notice how quick he was between his posts saying desire z works or watever then wildfire s worked its lie's the guys a fool.
I'm also interested in putting back S-ON after having used the XTC clip to make it S-OFF. But what interests me is a general method that would work on any device (compatible with the XTC clip of course).
I think it is possible because I managed to make it work on the Desire Z with the following method:
1) use XTC clip to make the device S-OFF.
2) use gfree to make it back S-ON. (https://github.com/tmzt/g2root-kmod/tree/master/scotty2/gfree)
But the thing is: gfree is using a vulnerability only available on the HTC Desire Z so it does not work on all devices.
Any ideas?
well, once you have s-off you can map the all of the nand via fastboot kernal commands, but like the wildfire s we would need to work out the size of all the partitions and "write in" the information for the radio. if we did that and then xtc clipped a buzz on the revolutionary hboot it may show you where the the s-0n s-0ff "bit" is. then, in theory you could write to the nand and overwrite the bit to change it. in theory this would also work to properly s-0ff the device so all hboots could be flashed. but that would imply that the s-0ff s0n bit is actually in the unmapped partition of the nand. i would like to try this idea just to see how far we could get, as i may be getting another s-on buzz in july but we would have to get the mappings for the mtd partitions. oh, and gfree only works on emcc devices i think, thats why it wont work for us as it is mtd.
gfree only works on devices that use emmc and have this vulnerability, that is to say only the HTC Desire Z...but it does not matter.
Be careful with what is below, it may brick your device so do it at your own risk.
I managed to set the S-ON flag back on the HTC Desire Z with the following command: [email protected]?7,1. This can be sent to the device by first putting the device in HBOOT mode, then issuing "rtask C" and then talking to the radio with AT commands (see http://tjworld.net/wiki/Android/HTC/Vision/RadioAnalysis#TalkingtotheRadio).
But it did not work on a HTC Desire S.
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well, once you have s-off you can map the all of the nand via fastboot kernal commands, but like the wildfire s we would need to work out the size of all the partitions and "write in" the information for the radio. if we did that and then xtc clipped a buzz on the revolutionary hboot it may show you where the the s-0n s-0ff "bit" is. then, in theory you could write to the nand and overwrite the bit to change it. in theory this would also work to properly s-0ff the device so all hboots could be flashed. but that would imply that the s-0ff s0n bit is actually in the unmapped partition of the nand. i would like to try this idea just to see how far we could get, as i may be getting another s-on buzz in july but we would have to get the mappings for the mtd partitions. oh, and gfree only works on emcc devices i think, thats why it wont work for us as it is mtd.
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1) Could you develop on your "fastboot kernal" commands ? How do you do what you are talking about ?
2) I know where the security flag is for the HTC Desire Z but not for the Desire S, I would need to backup all the partitions, S-OFF it and then make a diff to identify it.
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gfree only works on devices that use emmc and have this vulnerability, that is to say only the HTC Desire Z...but it does not matter.
Be careful with what is below, it may brick your device so do it at your own risk.
I managed to set the S-ON flag back on the HTC Desire Z with the following command: [email protected]?7,1. This can be sent to the device by first putting the device in HBOOT mode, then issuing "rtask C" and then talking to the radio with AT commands (see http://tjworld.net/wiki/Android/HTC/Vision/RadioAnalysis#TalkingtotheRadio).
But it did not work on a HTC Desire S.
1) Could you develop on your "fastboot kernal" commands ? How do you do what you are talking about ?
2) I know where the security flag is for the HTC Desire Z but not for the Desire S, I would need to backup all the partitions, S-OFF it and then make a diff to identify it.
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Well, this idea actually belongs to the guys over at the wildfire s s-off campaign( had to be said )
The way it works is that you issue a kernal, or clockworkmod recovery for that matter, with new paramiters for the mtd partitions via fastboot and when that new kernal is loaded the "unmaped areas will then be mapped. Then as you said for point 2 you would dump both before and after the xtc clip and !hopefully! It would show the location of the s-off. The partition information will be device specific, so each device and hboot would need to be accounted for. But, the theory is solid. The only issue the wfs guys are having is trying to write to the nand. But with an s-off device I hope this wouldn't be an issue. If you head over to there s-off campaign you will find out alot more on this idea.
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium
heavy_metal_man said:
Well, this idea actually belongs to the guys over at the wildfire s s-off campaign( had to be said )
The way it works is that you issue a kernal, or clockworkmod recovery for that matter, with new paramiters for the mtd partitions via fastboot and when that new kernal is loaded the "unmaped areas will then be mapped. Then as you said for point 2 you would dump both before and after the xtc clip and !hopefully! It would show the location of the s-off. The partition information will be device specific, so each device and hboot would need to be accounted for. But, the theory is solid. The only issue the wfs guys are having is trying to write to the nand. But with an s-off device I hope this wouldn't be an issue. If you head over to there s-off campaign you will find out alot more on this idea.
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium
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Great. Thanks for pointing me to [WFSdev][THE S-OFF CAMPAIGN] Kernal experts needed - exploit is being developed!. Even if they "only" want to get HBOOT S-OFF (different from radio S-OFF that we get with the XTC Clip), the idea behind consisting in using "fastboot boot" to boot a kernel and mapping the usually unallowed partitions differently is an idea that needs to be look at deeply.
The magic is with the following command:
Code:
./fastboot -c "mtdparts=msm_nand:[email protected](misc),[email protected](recovery),[email protected](boot),[email protected](system),[email protected](cache),[email protected](userdata),[email protected](devlog),[email protected](hboot)" boot recovery-clockwork-5.0.2.8-marvel.img
Hi, time progressed.... is there any noob/the easiest way at this moment to gain S-OFF (and back to S-ON)???
Any one click program etc....?
Found HTC Supertool v3, but not tried this and not sure that is functional on WFS.
THX for your reply!!!
So far just XTC clip can get you a S-Off.
So it makes me disappointed
I thought, that there is much more possibilities -> downgrade hboot and then use some S-OFF apps etc etc etc (Although more complicated, but at least something). But it seems not really.
Realy ONLY XTC clip?
So what is major disadvantage when i have only unlocked hboot + s-on? Can someone explain it to me?
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So it makes me disappointed
I thought, that there is much more possibilities -> downgrade hboot and then use some S-OFF apps etc etc etc (Although more complicated, but at least something). But it seems not really.
Realy ONLY XTC clip?
So what is major disadvantage when i have only unlocked hboot + s-on? Can someone explain it to me?
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yup only XTC Clip.
The disadvantage is that we can't change system partition size.
But it doesnt bother me much.