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Possible Release Date for WP7

I attended an event today where a rep from Microsoft was demoing Office 2010, and was talking to him before his presentation. I asked what he could tell me about Windows Phone 7 and one of the things he said was that it could be released around September 7.
This probably doesn't mean much, but a rumored date is slightly better than none at all!

Sounds early to me. I think they are targeting november-december.

Might be. WP7 is closely tied to the Zune software, and new versions of that usually come out in September. Also, the rumored release time for the LG Panther is also September.

lordcanti86 said:
Might be. WP7 is closely tied to the Zune software, and new versions of that usually come out in September. Also, the rumored release time for the LG Panther is also September.
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I also read somewhere that the Zune service will go worldwide in September. I just can't find where I read that though, but it seems plausible.

I can see rtm in september but handsets not till winter

HTC Windows Phone 7 Series device coming this year, says Peter Chou
HTC has been a loyal Microsoft partner throughout the years (despite starting to make more Android smartphones), and it will, as we already know, continue the partnership after Windows Phone 7 Series is launched.
In a recent interview with Forbes, HTC’s CEO Peter Chou mentioned that the company expects to launch its first Windows Phone 7 Series handset before the year’s end.
While Mr. Chou didn’t disclose further details about the WP7 smartphone, he did talk about the Android-based Google Nexus One, which is manufactured by HTC and has been reportedly sold in about 150,000 units since launch.
While some think the sales of the Nexus One are below expectations, HTC’s chief says the smartphone “has been an achievement”, since Google’s goal with the handset was only “to really show how good Android can be.”
Back to the Windows Phone 7 Series device that HTC plans to launch before the end of 2010 – if it’s going to be anything like Sprint’s HTC EVO 4G (which, of course, runs Android 2.1), it will probably be one of the best WP7 handsets (at least for the beginning), don’t you think?
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Microsoft: The delivery of Mango is now in the hands of handset makers

Peter Wissinger, the director for Microsoft’s Mobile Business Group in the Nordic countries, has made an “official” statement about the delivery handsets running Mango, saying the software was completed ahead of schedule.
He writes (translated)
Official statement: Now it’s up to our manufacturing partners to release mangos to our customers. Microsoft has delivered complete mango earlier than planned to the manufacturers. Feels good now.
It’s good to see a re-invigorated Microsoft who not only meet their ship targets but exceeds then, a far cry from the slow pace we were used to in the Windows Mobile days.
The statement may mean either we will see devices early than expected, such as the Fujitsu IS12T next week, or that some devices may come over a longer period, rather than all at once like last year.
The former is however more likely, as most Windows Phones are in need of being replaced in the market with new devices with improved specs, so I still expect we will see a good bunch of new Windows Phones released over the next few months.
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colossus_r said:
Peter Wissinger, the director for Microsoft’s Mobile Business Group in the Nordic countries, has made an “official” statement about the delivery handsets running Mango, saying the software was completed ahead of schedule.
He writes (translated)
Official statement: Now it’s up to our manufacturing partners to release mangos to our customers. Microsoft has delivered complete mango earlier than planned to the manufacturers. Feels good now.
It’s good to see a re-invigorated Microsoft who not only meet their ship targets but exceeds then, a far cry from the slow pace we were used to in the Windows Mobile days.
The statement may mean either we will see devices early than expected, such as the Fujitsu IS12T next week, or that some devices may come over a longer period, rather than all at once like last year.
The former is however more likely, as most Windows Phones are in need of being replaced in the market with new devices with improved specs, so I still expect we will see a good bunch of new Windows Phones released over the next few months.
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domineus said:
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LOL ..Yes ..some operators have big problems on delivering the update...

What about those who have unbranded devices ?

Extreme boy said:
What about those who have unbranded devices ?
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Same question. Were supposed to get it from Microsoft, right?

Everyone will get it from Microsoft (via Zune). But no one will get it until the manufacturers deliver their device-specific updates back to Microsoft, so they can create the different device delivery bundles.
If your phone is unbranded, you should not have to wait for the carrier-specific updates to be sent back to MS, which is where most of the delay usually comes from.

Check your zune software for updates.......

Has everyone started getting mango updates from zune now??

How about HTC?

Purple11 said:
Has everyone started getting mango updates from zune now??
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nope
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Not yet ..only problem with htc marketplace seems can't update my since connection setup since yesterday.Can't download from them alsnly Zune marketplace possible to download.

Zune 4.8 official update is now available

Extreme boy said:
Zune 4.8 official update is now available
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Yup it is.. im downloading

how did you all get that 4.8.I went to their site it's only 4.7.

I just download the new zune 4.8 fromtheir site<i would like to know whether it is compatible with NODO?

Ttblondey said:
I just download the new zune 4.8 fromtheir site<i would like to know whether it is compatible with NODO?
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Yes it is. I'm running NoDo 7392 with Zune 4.8

Will Mango app come out tomorrow?

Nearly 1 month ago Microsoft said the developer can submit on 22/8.

Yes dev's can submit starting tomorrow. So expect some updates in the next week or two once they are approved.

I think we will see many new apps tomorrow
Its a big day for mango users
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Are you guys sure all those apps will hit the marketplace before the rollout of Mango has begun?

The developers are able to submit their apps on 22.8 to the marketplace
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Just because developers will be able to submit apps doesn't imply that those apps will immediately show up in the marketplace. Mango has not been officially released to the public, so it seems very unlikely that any Mango-specific apps would be released in the marketplace yet.
I think the reason they are allowing apps to be submitted now is so that they can queue them up, and on the day Mango is publicly released they can also announce something like "along with today's release of Windows Phone 7.5, we are pleased to announce the availability of 5000 new apps in the marketplace, all designed to take advantage of its new features".

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Nearly 1 month ago Microsoft said the developer can submit on 22/8.
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Apps won't come out tomorrow. Tomorrow is just the start of being able to submit Mango-based apps. They still have to be certified and published, so you may not see much until late next week probably.
dkp1977 said:
Are you guys sure all those apps will hit the marketplace before the rollout of Mango has begun?
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Considering that no one knows when Mango will rollout (not even Microsoft), then its safe to assume that they'll probably just start putting apps onto the Marketplace as soon as they are certified. Anyone with a Mango device will see Mango apps automatically, and anyone who doesn't have Mango will continue to see apps for their version of Windows Phone 7.
RoboDad said:
Just because developers will be able to submit apps doesn't imply that those apps will immediately show up in the marketplace. Mango has not been officially released to the public, so it seems very unlikely that any Mango-specific apps would be released in the marketplace yet.
I think the reason they are allowing apps to be submitted now is so that they can queue them up, and on the day Mango is publicly released they can also announce something like "along with today's release of Windows Phone 7.5, we are pleased to announce the availability of 5000 new apps in the marketplace, all designed to take advantage of its new features".
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The problem there is that there is no one "release day". The release day is whenever the manufacturers and carriers have their version of Mango ready for your phone. So there will be multiple release days, each different for every carrier and possibly even for specific phone models.

I think that people having mango will be able to download mango apps tomorrow because Microsoft wants to test their new system
They want to know if everything is compatible with the different versions of their windows phones
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prjkthack said:
The problem there is that there is no one "release day". The release day is whenever the manufacturers and carriers have their version of Mango ready for your phone. So there will be multiple release days, each different for every carrier and possibly even for specific phone models.
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That's not entirely true either. Manufacturers and carriers don't deliver WP7 updates. They all go through Microsoft. The "release day" could be the day it is announced that the first wave of updates are being delivered to customers. Or, it could be the day the first new phones preloaded with Mango are available for sale (which could easily be coordinated so that several go up for sale the same day).
Even with NoDo, there was a public announcement of availability/release of the update, even though many/most people didn't receive it until some time later.

Hamido123 said:
I think that people having mango will be able to download mango apps tomorrow because Microsoft wants to test their new system
They want to know if everything is compatible with the different versions of their windows phones
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Even if what you say is true, the apps still wouldn't be available tomorrow. Once apps are submitted, there is an approval process they must pass before they are released in the marketplace. That process typically takes about 4-5 days, at least from the developers I have spoken with.

RoboDad said:
That's not entirely true either. Manufacturers and carriers don't deliver WP7 updates. They all go through Microsoft. The "release day" could be the day it is announced that the first wave of updates are being delivered to customers. Or, it could be the day the first new phones preloaded with Mango are available for sale (which could easily be coordinated so that several go up for sale the same day).
Even with NoDo, there was a public announcement of availability/release of the update, even though many/most people didn't receive it until some time later.
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No one said that they deliver updates, but it is in their hands now (as Microsoft even says). They'll hand it back to Microsoft to release, so the ball is still in their court as to when there will be an initial release.
Regardless, it doesn't appear that they will stop the flow of Mango apps just to make one huge announcement at some point in the future. Heck, there are already apps that do some Mango-specific things available, and those have not been stopped thus far.

Backward Compatible with Pre-Mango WP7
Hi all
I am sure that a requirement of "Mango" applications is that they are backward compatible with pre-Mango WP7 versions. MS would be crazy not to stipulate that.
If that is the case, then Mango compatible apps/updates could start appearing in the WP Marketplace towards the end of this week.
Look out for them I say!
Cheers
andrew-in-woking

andrew-in-woking said:
Hi all
I am sure that a requirement of "Mango" applications is that they are backward compatible with pre-Mango WP7 versions. MS would be crazy not to stipulate that.
If that is the case, then Mango compatible apps/updates could start appearing in the WP Marketplace towards the end of this week.
Look out for them I say!
Cheers
andrew-in-woking
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Well, that's impossible minding the awesome new featureset we get with Mango!

considering that the Fujitsu IS12T is available for retail on the 25th (that's in 3 days!), apps should start trickling in tomorrow itself. there's going to be a huge influx of apps and the certifiers will be trying to get through them as quickly as they can. Also, Cliff Simpkins said on the WP Dev Podcast that present Mango users (that's us devs) should be able to see the mango apps in our marketplace app as soon as they are certified.

andrew-in-woking said:
Hi all
I am sure that a requirement of "Mango" applications is that they are backward compatible with pre-Mango WP7 versions. MS would be crazy not to stipulate that.
If that is the case, then Mango compatible apps/updates could start appearing in the WP Marketplace towards the end of this week.
Look out for them I say!
Cheers
andrew-in-woking
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Unfortunately, this is not the case. Apps made for Mango will only be displayed on the Marketplace of a Mango device.
If you are using something pre-Mango, you'll only see pre-Mango apps on your Marketplace.

Mango apps will not be backwards compatible. They will not work in Pre-Mango. Apps updated to Mango also can not have Pre-Mango updates once they are updated for Mango, which means the last version made for Pre-Mango will be the last version ever once they update the App for Mango's new features.
Mango Apps will NOT be backward compatible : what users should know

Speaking of Mango apps, anybody know how apps like MSN Video and 4th and Mayor are using Mango features already?
MSN Video shows up in Bing when you click on a movie card and 4th and Mayor allows you to pin specific locations to your home screen and it will launch directly to that location.

PG2G said:
Speaking of Mango apps, anybody know how apps like MSN Video and 4th and Mayor are using Mango features already?
MSN Video shows up in Bing when you click on a movie card and 4th and Mayor allows you to pin specific locations to your home screen and it will launch directly to that location.
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Well, MSN Video is a Microsoft app, and Jeff, the 4thandMayor dev, is a Microsoft employee, so he probably has some wiggle room.

checked the marketplace now, no mango apps yet..

Magpir said:
checked the marketplace now, no mango apps yet..
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Of course. They have to be tested and certified just like pre-Mango apps. So that will take some days.

Skype ?

Any new newses about Skype version for wp7.5
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it was supposed to be released end 2011 and its already jan 2012 yet there are no news on Skype for WM 7.5. Most of the MS / Skype forums are flooded with a similar query but there has been no official announcement. Hope they release it at the earliest

I'm getting annoyed myself (and I'm not forum basher), but it's beginning to feel more and more like MS is abandoning WP7 and pushing everything to WP8, if they do that I'm bailing.

I would imagine since they are hopefully going to integrate this deeply into WP7 they would want to release this integration with a windows phone major update...perhaps Apollo?
MS is not abandoning windows phone...I can't even comprehend how someone could even think that...disagree with their strategies and perhaps they will not be successful in the long term but they are spending loads of cash on this...if they fail in mobile the company is in jeopardy...

Wtf? Mobile doesn't mean squat to Microsoft.
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I guess Microsoft is waiting for MWC for Apollo/Tango details and skype integration.

Skype for WP Mango next month
If news items across the web are to be believed - just search Skype for Windows Phone and there are feelers it might be released next month at Barcelona Mobile World Congress

If you had scanned the front page you would have seen this huge thread dudeeeeeeee.

for all those following this thread - skype beta can be downloaded from marketplace or skype. its amazing. call clarity / performance is good will need to test more to see how it performs

[Q] Is the Lumia 900 able to upgrade to the Windows Phone 8 OS?

Chances are this info isn't on the first few pages of a search site, besides speculation. But I was hoping a developer or other person in position to, could clarify with potential buyers.
I know it is only logical that it should be able to upgrade but there is a bit of doubt spreading on the web. Logical meaning ~5-8 months till WP8.
If someone finds out please let us know here. I really want a Lumia 900, but I'm not able to purchase one without knowing if OS upgrades will continue for it.

Nothing has been stated and most likely won't be stated until after the release of those handsets.
I would venture a guess that it will support wp8 but may not include some of hardware supported by the new OS, NFC etc unless they hid it in there already. I guess we'll have to wait for a tear down.

Seed 2.0 said:
Chances are this info isn't on the first few pages of a search site, besides speculation. But I was hoping a developer or other person in position to, could clarify with potential buyers.
I know it is only logical that it should be able to upgrade but there is a bit of doubt spreading on the web. Logical meaning ~5-8 months till WP8.
If someone finds out please let us know here. I really want a Lumia 900, but I'm not able to purchase one without knowing if OS upgrades will continue for it.
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If there was a phone thats a shoe in for WP8, its the Lumia 900. I'd throw in the Titan II also, and any other 'Flagship' grade release from here on out. I suspect the Focus line and the lower end Nokia's will not be upgraded.
Bottom line, the WP8 spec gives us a view into a bigger and much improved hardware arena. I would think to get the best impact of WP8, you would buy a WP8 device.
I personally believe, you will see an interim release...similar to Tango/Mango, that will bring these WP7.5 devices into WP8. Tango as you may already know, is the Windows Phone 7.5 release for the lower end WP devices. And, the Mango update did not bring all WP7 devices up to Mango 100%. Current WP7.5 devices, including the 900 and the Titan II, simply will not have all the hardware the WP8 devices will. A 100% upgrade may not be possible.
Never the less, I'm buying the 900 in 13 days. I'll probably wait for the flagship NOkia WP8 release, and buy that too....most likely, around this time next year.

alodar1 said:
If there was a phone thats a shoe in for WP8, its the Lumia 900. I'd throw in the Titan II also, and any other 'Flagship' grade release from here on out. I suspect the Focus line and the lower end Nokia's will not be upgraded.
Bottom line, the WP8 spec gives us a view into a bigger and much improved hardware arena. I would think to get the best impact of WP8, you would buy a WP8 device.
I personally believe, you will see an interim release...similar to Tango/Mango, that will bring these WP7.5 devices into WP8. Tango as you may already know, is the Windows Phone 7.5 release for the lower end WP devices. And, the Mango update did not bring all WP7 devices up to Mango 100%. Current WP7.5 devices, including the 900 and the Titan II, simply will not have all the hardware the WP8 devices will. A 100% upgrade may not be possible.
Never the less, I'm buying the 900 in 13 days. I'll probably wait for the flagship NOkia WP8 release, and buy that too....most likely, around this time next year.
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The FKA "Tango" update or as it's now called WP 7.5 CR3 (that's commercial refresh 3) is a refresh that includes support for low memory devices as well as MMS improvements and more language support.
There are no official details about it, but it's not aimed only at lower end devices and AT&T even mentioned they're thinking about releasing it for existing devices.
If you look at the competition, the iphones that are two generations old still get updates but not all features are included. one generation old usually get all new features, if the hardware supports it (siri was an exception and had nothing to do with the hardware in older iphones)
Even with android, devices were updated at least once to a newer release.
I can't see Microsoft not updating devices released in 2012 to WP8

EShy said:
The FKA "Tango" update or as it's now called WP 7.5 CR3 (that's commercial refresh 3) is a refresh that includes support for low memory devices as well as MMS improvements and more language support.
There are no official details about it, but it's not aimed only at lower end devices and AT&T even mentioned they're thinking about releasing it for existing devices.
If you look at the competition, the iphones that are two generations old still get updates but not all features are included. one generation old usually get all new features, if the hardware supports it (siri was an exception and had nothing to do with the hardware in older iphones)
Even with android, devices were updated at least once to a newer release.
I can't see Microsoft not updating devices released in 2012 to WP8
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cx1 said:
Nothing has been stated and most likely won't be stated until after the release of those handsets.
I would venture a guess that it will support wp8 but may not include some of hardware supported by the new OS, NFC etc unless they hid it in there already. I guess we'll have to wait for a tear down.
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Actually if you go to Nokia connect website. Nokia says the lumia will receive all major updates as it is an AT&T "hero " phone. The two have already discussed it. So Apollo will be on our lumias
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Just got home from pre-ordering my Black Lumia 900. The manager that was at the store said that the 900 would get the next major update and that it will probably even get it before the first Windows Phone 8 handset is sold. The store I got mine from had 7 handsets for employees. He told me that they do not belong to the employees and that they don't get to keep them. I asked them to download WP Bench and test the battery. They all told me the battery is amazingly lasting. The manager had a two hour conference call and still had over 75% life left.