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Calls if only Wifi is on?

I just got off the phone with t-mobile, i asked my roaming rates if i use the phone in germany (on t-mobile, and still it roams, silly, but oh well)
And i was told i could just make calls if i find a hotspot or just any unsecured wifi connection.
So i was thinking, cool, sounds like [email protected], he agreed, so i'm actually trying this, turn of phone, keeping only wifi on, and what happens when i dial any number? Of course it tells me the phone is off and if i want to turn it on, so can i use the dash on a wifi connection to make voice calls, or was the t-mobile guy just confusing me?
Thanks if anyone could shed some light on this,
Daniel

morfic said:
I just got off the phone with t-mobile, i asked my roaming rates if i use the phone in germany (on t-mobile, and still it roams, silly, but oh well)
And i was told i could just make calls if i find a hotspot or just any unsecured wifi connection.
So i was thinking, cool, sounds like [email protected], he agreed, so i'm actually trying this, turn of phone, keeping only wifi on, and what happens when i dial any number? Of course it tells me the phone is off and if i want to turn it on, so can i use the dash on a wifi connection to make voice calls, or was the t-mobile guy just confusing me?
Thanks if anyone could shed some light on this,
Daniel
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hahahahahaha You are sooooo lost! you dont know how the network works and i'd bet your paying big time for phone service hahaha oh man thats funy..... ok ok ill tell you how it works its called VOIP or Voice Over Internet Protocol meaning you will use the internet for making phone calls such as a wifi connection ever heard of phone company VONAGE ? (if your american) well its something like that you will need an internet connection such as a wifi connection and you will only be able to make call when you are connected to to THAT wifi connection you cannot go around and make calls because you will get disconnected from the wifi after you got connected to a wifi spot you will need a service provider I sudgest www.skype.com actually skype rocks its really cheap its like 3 dlls for unlimited usa and 10 dlls for unlimited world or you can get prepaid after that you will need to subcribe and download skype for windows mobile smatphone install the app acess your skype acc and then make a phone call on your wifi network.........
that should save you some money however the thing that sucks about it its that you need to have a wifi connection for it to work or you can get edge or 3g network but you cant i think if your not on your home area....
I sudgest getting your phone sim unlock you can get one for free by contacting tmobile ask for a sim unlock and just use a local sim card you would pay much less than with roaming and you would not need a wifi connections to make phone calls.
if you got more questions just poste hope it helps.......

It actually works
I obtained a t-mobile dash recently and I am having a similar issue. The phone recognizes my sim card, but will not connect to t-mobile's network. If, however I have wireless on, my phone will make calls, and naturally internet. I am not entirely sure what is going on here, but using an access point for calls actually does work.

themitch - Considering the HTC Dash will not work on the T-Mobile hotspot service and will not make VOIP calls without considerable modifications (unless you install skype or another third party voip client) you are blowing smoke. The HTC Dash simply does not have the software or the hardware to connect to a wifi hotspot for calls without help.
Now you can modify the Dash to work on the T-Mo at home service (and other wifi networks) but it requires installing some files, editing the registry and knowing how to hack your router to get the required information out of it to enter into your Dash.
Anyway,

Bupahs:
I am not blowing smoke. I did not mean to suggest it was using the [email protected] service, simply that my dash only functions properly if connected to a wireless access point. I do not know how I could prove this to you. I seriously doubt it is using the wireless for anything but internet, but as I said before, the phone detects the network after, and only after, I turn the wireless on. Also, once the wireless is turned off, the phoneceases to make/receive calls, surf the internet, etc. If you could kindly explain how that could be I would love to hear back from you.

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Bupahs:
I am not blowing smoke. I did not mean to suggest it was using the [email protected] service, simply that my dash only functions properly if connected to a wireless access point. I do not know how I could prove this to you. I seriously doubt it is using the wireless for anything but internet, but as I said before, the phone detects the network after, and only after, I turn the wireless on. Also, once the wireless is turned off, the phoneceases to make/receive calls, surf the internet, etc. If you could kindly explain how that could be I would love to hear back from you.
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Have you done a hard-reset or tryed another ROM?

themitch said:
Bupahs:
I am not blowing smoke. I did not mean to suggest it was using the [email protected] service, simply that my dash only functions properly if connected to a wireless access point. I do not know how I could prove this to you. I seriously doubt it is using the wireless for anything but internet, but as I said before, the phone detects the network after, and only after, I turn the wireless on. Also, once the wireless is turned off, the phoneceases to make/receive calls, surf the internet, etc. If you could kindly explain how that could be I would love to hear back from you.
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The Dash does not have the hardware or software to make calls over the internet or wifi (without considerable help) not to mention the EDGE / GPRS network is specifically designed to make this next to impossible to happen.
Are you sure your not turning on and off the PHONE radio, turning on the wifi will NOT detect a GSM or EDGE network the hardware in the phone does not work that way.
Now it is possible you have the one in a billion HTC Dashes that can do this lol but I doubt it. Proof? its called Video bro, take a video of what your phone does and share it up

VoIP
I've been using VoIP (Internet Calling) over wifi on my Dash for months. I've tested several VoIP providers and have had very little setup issues. Currently my provider is Gizmo which has been great. I have tweeked the registry so my wifi connection is G (as opposed to B) and have tested at numerous cafes that offer free access. The overall quality is very useable but not the quality of that of cell service.
cya
PS It took me more time to get the attached clip made than to setup the VoIP

cya said:
I've been using VoIP (Internet Calling) over wifi on my Dash for months. I've tested several VoIP providers and have had very little setup issues. Currently my provider is Gizmo which has been great. I have tweeked the registry so my wifi connection is G (as opposed to B) and have tested at numerous cafes that offer free access. The overall quality is very useable but not the quality of that of cell service.
cya
PS It took me more time to get the attached clip made than to setup the VoIP
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We know it can be done, whats being 'debated' here is whether the topic starters out of the box Dash is doing it with no modifications and if so why.
Paying attention to whats being discussed helps ya know

I give up reading as just persumed he could only talk celular "not voip", when wi-fi is on...???

morfic said:
I just got off the phone with t-mobile, i asked my roaming rates if i use the phone in germany (on t-mobile, and still it roams, silly, but oh well)
And i was told i could just make calls if i find a hotspot or just any unsecured wifi connection.
So i was thinking, cool, sounds like [email protected], he agreed, so i'm actually trying this, turn of phone, keeping only wifi on, and what happens when i dial any number? Of course it tells me the phone is off and if i want to turn it on, so can i use the dash on a wifi connection to make voice calls, or was the t-mobile guy just confusing me?
Thanks if anyone could shed some light on this,
Daniel
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My post was in direct response to morfic's question in post #1 ... "so can i use the dash on a wifi connection to make voice calls".
Bottom line Daniel is that you have options for wifi voice calls. Setup a Skype, Fring, or similar 3rd party software account or setup up a SIP account like Gizmo, install two or three readily available cabs and use the Internet Calling feature MS designed into the operating system.
cya

cya said:
My post was in direct response to morfic's question in post #1 ... "so can i use the dash on a wifi connection to make voice calls".
Bottom line Daniel is that you have options for wifi voice calls. Setup a Skype, Fring, or similar 3rd party software account or setup up a SIP account like Gizmo, install two or three readily available cabs and use the Internet Calling feature MS designed into the operating system.
cya
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And as stated you can not make VOIP calls with out system modifications, as you show here (and as I stated) you need to install third party applications and cab files which modify the HTC Dash system. Thus, the answer is NO the T-Mobile rep is quite wrong, the HTC Dash as recieved from T-Mobile will NOT make WiFi / VOIP calls out of the box.
I would be nice if you did not attempt to confuse the facts, it makes communicating with others difficult.

Bupahs you may think there's a debate about "out of the box" VoIP but my read of morfic's thread starting post is that of a guy that wants to know if it's possible to eliminate roaming charges in Germany by making use of wifi calling.
In your own words "Paying attention to whats being discussed helps ya know" and "I(t) would be nice if you did not attempt to confuse the facts, it makes communicating with others difficult" .... just my read but I don't see morfic (Daniel) asking about "knowing how to hack your router to get the required information out of it to enter into your Dash" ... only morfic can comment but I'm guessing that he’d just like to get a simple answer to his initial question.
cya
ps just another guess ... but I'm expecting another of your demeaning "put down posts", that seems to be your style

cya said:
Bupahs you may think there's a debate about "out of the box" VoIP but my read of morfic's thread starting post is that of a guy that wants to know if it's possible to eliminate roaming charges in Germany by making use of wifi calling.
In your own words "Paying attention to whats being discussed helps ya know" and "I(t) would be nice if you did not attempt to confuse the facts, it makes communicating with others difficult" .... just my read but I don't see morfic (Daniel) asking about "knowing how to hack your router to get the required information out of it to enter into your Dash" ... only morfic can comment but I'm guessing that he’d just like to get a simple answer to his initial question.
cya
ps just another guess ... but I'm expecting another of your demeaning "put down posts", that seems to be your style
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Happy to oblige ya then.
See morfic said "I just got off the phone with t-mobile, i asked my roaming rates if i use the phone in germany (on t-mobile, and still it roams, silly, but oh well) And i was told i could just make calls if i find a hotspot or just any unsecured wifi connection.
As stated time and time again, the T-Mobile rep is wrong no HTC Dash sold will work out of the box over IP (voip) nor will it work on the Hotspot, nor will you be able to circumvent roaming by connecting over WiFi for calls, it cant happen. As further evidence that this is the topic of 'debate' themitch said he had a similar problem, thus this promted the entire rest of the discussion where I already stated you need to modify the Dash and use third party software, something a T-Mobile rep will never recommend nor suggest you do... not to mention I did say to you "We know it can be done, whats being 'debated' here is whether the topic starters out of the box Dash is doing it with no modifications and if so why."
so just where does your oh so unnecessary replies come in here? You simply restated what was already stated and it was not relevant to the actual discussion that themitch, morfic and I were having... so yeah, pay attention.. it helps

Bupahs you didn’t disappoint …. semi-creative use of morfic’s setup information to expound your superior knowledge and the tmobile guy’s perceived misinformation. morfic’s “sounds like [email protected]” leaves a little room for some benefit of the doubt for the tmo rep ... I’d bet we could find more than a few reps that understand how the system works. Without the benefit of a transcript of morfic’s phone conversation it’s a stretch to imply he was told specifically that VoIP was an “out of the box” option. Just a wild guess here but maybe that’s why morfic asked “so can i use the dash on a wifi connection to make voice calls”. I’ll just wait for him to decide if he wants to setup Internet Calling or use some 3rd party software. If he should decide to go the Internet Calling route I’ll gladly provide the cabs if he so requests. Bupahs, “so yeah, pay attention.. it helps” and I’ll leave you and your condescending comments to yourself.
cya
ps morfic I feel your pain … I got the $429 bill my daughter ran up using her phone when she was in France for 10 days … I made sure that didn’t happen again when she went back for 4 months by sending her with a phone setup to take advantage of VoIP using wifi. Just so you know the quality of the call was in direct relationship to the quality of the wifi connection.

Stylez- That is correct. I will repeat again for Bupahs' benefit that I am not claiming to be using voip. I have installed several different WM variations, and in every case, the phone only detects the t-mobile network after I turn on the wireless-g connection. I am assuming this is some kind of hardware malfunction at this point, but I am hoping someone knows more about these phones can explain what is going on and how I can fix it.
Oh, and yes, I am smart enough to know the difference between the phone radio and the wireless button in the com manager Bupahs. I have owned several pda's and smartphones, and I know the difference. You may think I am stupid, but since I have not and do not claim to be using voip, your comments are unnecessary. I need help, not some jerk telling me I am blowing smoke. I will post a video for you after I get the phone put back together, as I have disassembled it to see if something is shorted on the panel or something. Hopefully that will satisfy you.

cya said:
Bupahs you didn’t disappoint …. semi-creative use of morfic’s setup information to expound your superior knowledge and the tmobile guy’s perceived misinformation. morfic’s “sounds like [email protected]” leaves a little room for some benefit of the doubt for the tmo rep ... I’d bet we could find more than a few reps that understand how the system works. Without the benefit of a transcript of morfic’s phone conversation it’s a stretch to imply he was told specifically that VoIP was an “out of the box” option. Just a wild guess here but maybe that’s why morfic asked “so can i use the dash on a wifi connection to make voice calls”. I’ll just wait for him to decide if he wants to setup Internet Calling or use some 3rd party software. If he should decide to go the Internet Calling route I’ll gladly provide the cabs if he so requests. Bupahs, “so yeah, pay attention.. it helps” and I’ll leave you and your condescending comments to yourself.
cya
ps morfic I feel your pain … I got the $429 bill my daughter ran up using her phone when she was in France for 10 days … I made sure that didn’t happen again when she went back for 4 months by sending her with a phone setup to take advantage of VoIP using wifi. Just so you know the quality of the call was in direct relationship to the quality of the wifi connection.
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Aww thats cute.
Its not a wild leap if you actually read what he wrote. Obviously the T-Mo rep thought the Dash was set up for use on the WiFi @Home service (like many of T-Mos current phones) and gave incorrect information. I cleared it up for him that its not and wont make voip calls without help. You got your feelings hurt when it was pointed out your not contributing to the discussion. Using 'big words' now is not helping your case.

themitch said:
Stylez- That is correct. I will repeat again for Bupahs' benefit that I am not claiming to be using voip. I have installed several different WM variations, and in every case, the phone only detects the t-mobile network after I turn on the wireless-g connection. I am assuming this is some kind of hardware malfunction at this point, but I am hoping someone knows more about these phones can explain what is going on and how I can fix it.
Oh, and yes, I am smart enough to know the difference between the phone radio and the wireless button in the com manager Bupahs. I have owned several pda's and smartphones, and I know the difference. You may think I am stupid, but since I have not and do not claim to be using voip, your comments are unnecessary. I need help, not some jerk telling me I am blowing smoke. I will post a video for you after I get the phone put back together, as I have disassembled it to see if something is shorted on the panel or something. Hopefully that will satisfy you.
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I guess you forgot you made the claim "The phone recognizes my sim card, but will not connect to t-mobile's network. If, however I have wireless on, my phone will make calls, and naturally internet. I am not entirely sure what is going on here, but using an access point for calls actually does work." Now that would seem you are saying what you wrote, that your Dash makes calls over the access point, in other words WiFi. What you wrote here clearly infers your Newly acquired Dash makes voip calls and not normal radio calls. Perhaps you should take more care in what you write to avoid this type of miscommunication in the future huh?
A video would be great.. lets see if it ever surfaces lol

A miscommunication I have repeatedly attempted to clear up, yet you are still being an ass. Don't you have anything better to do?

themitch said:
A miscommunication I have repeatedly attempted to clear up, yet you are still being an ass. Don't you have anything better to do?
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Umm yeah, whats next your daddy can beat up my daddy? lol
Whatever.

How I flashed my Evo OFF Boost and fixed the MEID

EDIT: found out that though the method I wrote up here works fine, there is a simpler way. I'm leaving the original post because I learned a lot about my phone in the process and maybe someone else would want to as well.
EASY WAY:
unroot your phone and return to stock: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=780141
hard reset (from hboot) and it resets everything to stock
when you call in to sprint to activate they will have you do this: ##yourmslcode# and enter your MDN and MSID
BAM!!! you're all done
I bought an Evo on craigslist cheap. The MEID on the phone was good. The one stored IN the phone was not a Sprint MEID. Also, all the settings for MMS, data, etc were changed and unusable on Sprint. The Sprint store told me I was screwed and the local cell store wanted to charge me $100.00 to fix it. I spent close to 20 hours on forums trying to figure out how to fix it. The answers I got were conflicting, and people were generally not helpful with comments like RTFM and accusations of doing illegal stuff. So, I decided I would share what worked for me to save the next guy from the same anguish.
This tutorial will probably suck so don't ***** at me if it does, at least I'm trying to help. Also don't look to me for help or blame me if you break something I AM NOT AN EXPERT. That said here you go:
#1. Download needed software:
HTCDiagDrivers
QPST_2_7_Build355
QXDM31136
#2. Root Phone
Follow this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=838448
(make sure you use a Sense based rom not AOSP)
#3. Get MSL Code
Connect phone to internet via WiFi
Go to Market on your phone
Install "MSL Reader"
Run it and write down the code
#4 Install and Setup Downloaded Software
Install QPST
Open QPST Configuration from start menu
Click on "Ports" tab
Click on "Add New Port"
In the field "Port" enter "COM4" (THE PORT ON YOUR COMPUTER MAY BE DIFFERENT. COM5, COM6, ETC)
In the field "Port Label" name it. I called it "Evo"
Click "OK" and exit
Install QXDM
****My computer (Win7) had issues installing these automatically. This is what I had to do to get it installed:
-extract zip
-Put Evo in Diag mode ##3424#
-plug in Evo
-go to "Device Manager"
-find the Evo (you should see it with a "!" by it)
-right click it and select "Update Drivers"
-click "Browse my computer for driver software"
-click "Let me pick from a list of device drivers on my computer"
-click "Have Disk"
-browse to the location of the extracted "HTCDiagDrivers" folder and select the driver
-click "OK" and let it install
#5 Make your MEID writable:
Follow this tutorial Steps 1-5:
***The following thread doesn't explain Step 1 (flashing the radio) so I will tell you how
(1)RADIO
-download radio 2.05.00.06.10
-(DO NOT EXTRACT) copy to your phone's micro SD card
-reboot into recovery
-select "flash zip from sd card"
-choose the radio you copied to your card
-reboot
http://cdmagurus.com/forum/showthre...id-on-the-Evo/page7?highlight=clone+evo+boost
Immediately follow on to the next step
#6 Write Your MEID
(I initially tried another command found in this and then in a different post and could not get the MEID to stick after a reboot so this is what I did)
Copy the MEID(hex) from the back of your Evo underneath the battery
Put Evo I Daig mode ##3424#
Plug Evo into computer via USB
Open QXDM from start menu
Go to "Options" > "Communications"
Click the drop down menu next to "Target Port"
Select "COM4" (or 5,6,etc)
Click "OK"
In the field "Command" enter: "RequestNVItemWrite meid 0x&&&&&&&&&&&" replacing the "&"s with MEID from the back of your phone
Exit QXDM
Reboot Evo
#7 Restore provider settings for data, mms, and such:
***Call Sprint to activate your new phone. Probably best you don't tell them your issues. I didn't do the programming as they had told me but I said I had. This may or may not be important, but is what worked for me. Write down your MSID when they tell you it.
Enter EPST from the dialer ##3282#
Select "Edit"
Enter you MSL code
Select "Advanced"
Select "MSID"
Enter the MSID Sprint gave you
Hit menu
Select "Commit Modifications"
Let phone reboot
Enter EPST from dialer: ##3282#
Select "Edit"
Enter your MSL code
Select "Data Profile"
Press menu button
Select "Restore"
Phone will reboot and run a bunch of stuff. Let it run until it gets to "Checking for Firmware Update" press cancel (might not be important but it's what I did just because I didn't know if it would mess up my "rooted" ROM)
#8 Flash back to stock or the ROM of your choosing and enjoy your Evo!
If this How-To was unclear or I left something out let me know. I know there are many methods and I don't suggest this is the best, only what worked for me.
Here is a link to a similar thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=937652
It doesn't deal with anything having to do with MEID but might be helpful

This will work with all evo's or only ones with older Hboots and older partitions?
Thanks
Oh, and I do believe you but your name makes it a bit harder to, LOL.

cordell12 said:
This will work with all evo's or only ones with older Hboots and older partitions?
Thanks
Oh, and I do believe you but your name makes it a bit harder to, LOL.
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I don't know what it will work on.
The Evo I did says hw v 0003 in settings > about phone
When I vol down + power on it says:
supersonic evt2-3 ship s-off
hboot-2.10.0001
radio-2.05.00.06.10
Before doing this I had updated everything hoping it would somehow fix it. (radio/nv/etc except) and had flashed CM7RC2, myn's warm, and several others just to play with it. I read some that someone with hwv4 having issues downgrading radio but that might have been user error. Also, from what I understand you can zero out the MEID to make it writable (Step#5) using other methods without having to downgrade the radio. This is simply what worked for me.

nice write up

untruestory said:
The answers I got were conflicting, and people were generally not helpful with comments like RTFM and accusations of doing illegal stuff..
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Because it is illegal what you're doing.

To the OP, in step #5, you mention about changing the radio. What is the purpose of this? What if the device has a more recent radio? Thanks!
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mbg19 said:
Because it is illegal what you're doing.
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no... the person who ported it OFF of sprint was the one breaking the law. he was doing the right thing and porting the phone BACK to sprint.

heldunder said:
no... the person who ported it OFF of sprint was the one breaking the law. he was doing the right thing and porting the phone BACK to sprint.
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Cloning an esn either way is wrong, if you break into security of a bank to return stolen money, you still broke into a bank just with good intentions, may be a bad metaphor but you should get the point, cloning both ways is illegal

gpz1100 said:
To the OP, in step #5, you mention about changing the radio. What is the purpose of this? What if the device has a more recent radio? Thanks!
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From what I understand from reading the refrenced thread it has something to do with the trick used to make the MEID writable or it will not work.
mbg19 said:
Because it is illegal what you're doing.
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I think you misread something somewhere.
iitreatedii said:
Cloning an esn either way is wrong, if you break into security of a bank to return stolen money, you still broke into a bank just with good intentions, may be a bad metaphor but you should get the point, cloning both ways is illegal
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I'm not going to get into this ridiculously played out debate and really it's off topic. If you can link to an actual government site that clearly states editing the MEID for such purposes is illegal or cases of actual criminal prosecution please post links.
Repairing the MEID is not like breaking into a bank to return money. That's absurd. It's like restoring the VIN on a car or ID# on a car stereo (which btw if have a car stereo you bought from some guy in the state of WI and it doesn't have a serial number it's a $500 fine just for having it in your possession even if there's no evidence it was ever stolen) If I had repaired the serial # on the stereo do you think I would have gotten a fine for fixing it? Don't be silly

This is nj, if you need more you can look yourself, close thread, http://www.romingerlegal.com/new_jersey/appellate/a4869-96.opn.html
untruestory said:
From what I understand from reading the refrenced thread it has something to do with the trick used to make the MEID writable or it will not work.
I think you misread something somewhere.
I'm not going to get into this ridiculously played out debate and really it's off topic. If you can link to an actual government site that clearly states editing the MEID for such purposes is illegal or cases of actual criminal prosecution please post links.
Repairing the MEID is not like breaking into a bank to return money. That's absurd. It's like restoring the VIN on a car or ID# on a car stereo (which btw if have a car stereo you bought from some guy in the state of WI and it doesn't have a serial number it's a $500 fine just for having it in your possession even if there's no evidence it was ever stolen) If I had repaired the serial # on the stereo do you think I would have gotten a fine for fixing it? Don't be silly
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iitreatedii said:
This is nj, if you need more you can look yourself, close thread, http://www.romingerlegal.com/new_jersey/appellate/a4869-96.opn.html
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From the link:
The end-result of this process is the creation of two telephones, the original and a "clone," that carry the same telephone number and serial number.
That is not what is going on here. The OP is not cloning, there are not two phones with the same number. I don't see anything wrong (morally or legally) with this.
OP = Good write up, and while it does not apply to me, I see how this can be useful to the Evo community.

Thanks iitreatedii for the link it was very informative but I think you missed the point.
Thank you rugedraw for clarifying.

oh lord no please no more talk of all this illegal esn business im going to throw gasoline on my computer and burn it down i have to hide all the evidence and claw my own eyes out for seeing this. i have a htc hero a epic 4g touch pro 2 and lg optimus all on boost with the same number if you catch my drift

LOL...that's too funny! I think people on here sometimes get carried away with what's illegal and what isn't. I know I might be going off topic but I remember when I had an iPhone back in the day and I mentioned to someone that I jailbroke it and they were like OMFG, that's illegal....you'll go to jail!!....I seriously doubt that the government is going to waste time and money going after ONE SINGLE person that jailbroke/cloned an esn or whatever......in these cases you read about how someone got locked up for doing such a thing it was because A. they were stealing someone's information/money or B. they got greedy and started running a craigslist/ebay business out of their mom's basement........SO LIKE jay said....let's cool it on the whole illegal/legal deal......no one has to burn a computer down or burn their fingerprints or change their names and move to mexico....ALRIGHT?!..lol...All the OP was trying to do was save someone the headache of researching the damn info themselves!
You either let the kid post it on here or it gets posted on some other forum....either way, the information WILL BE OUT THERE!

There are plenty of threads about the legalities out there. I'll say this and lets let it go:
1) although prosecution is extremely rare and most references to laws about it are out-dated altering an esn IS illegal.
2) people that get off telling other people that everything is illegal are probably just acting out because their parents didn't hug them enough growing up.
3) it is against forum rules because the forum can get in trouble because it is illegal.
4) REPAIRING the esn is not illegal and not against forum rules.
5) the topic of this thread involves REPAIRING the esn, not altering it.
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i think the main issue here is that by showing someone how to "undo" it that person can easily figure out how to "do" it. it is a PITA to find all this info but by posting it here people who steal phones...(bastards) can have easy access by searching a few keywords.
i don't think it's wrong but this info could fall into the wrong hands and that would make my evo a target.

it's just like when I had my 88 VW GTI there is a easy way to break into one just jab a screwdriver through the door right below the handle and jiggle it. well I read about this on a website selling reinforced steel plates that you weld inside the door to prevent this.
the point is, you are empowering people by giving them the tools they need to change or clone an esn/meid. for good or for evil
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thedudejdog said:
i think the main issue here is that by showing someone how to "undo" it that person can easily figure out how to "do" it. it is a PITA to find all this info but by posting it here people who steal phones...(bastards) can have easy access by searching a few keywords.
i don't think it's wrong but this info could fall into the wrong hands and that would make my evo a target.
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Keep in mind that this write up is somewhat advanced, not every thief out there has any idea of what to do with the phone in order to make it 'usable'... all they want is cash. Note that there is high risk of bricking the device as well (since the procedure requires to mess up with the weakness of the EVO: its radio)
Also, this information has to have been available somewhere else thus the risk you run getting your phone stolen for this purpose is the same as it was before this was written.

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From the link:
The end-result of this process is the creation of two telephones, the original and a "clone," that carry the same telephone number and serial number.
That is not what is going on here. The OP is not cloning, there are not two phones with the same number. I don't see anything wrong (morally or legally) with this.
OP = Good write up, and while it does not apply to me, I see how this can be useful to the Evo community.
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I agree...I'm so sick of this cloning illegal/isn't illegal. Good piece

good write up, I hope someday I can use it.
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A "Pro" Flashing my Epic 4G to Metro

Bought an Epic 4G Touch and found a local guy on craigslist who's going to do a full flash to MetroPCS. I'm wondering if anybody has any suggestions as to what questions I should ask the guy. I'm new to this whole thing, this is my first smart phone, but I'm a quick learner.
From what I understand from my research, he's going to have to flash a custom rom on it in order for the phone's features to be fully operational. Is it important I find out which rom so I can perform my own updates, or is it going to be obvious what he did simply by looking in the settings?
Am I going to have to avoid OTA updates? Or do I just install Rootkeeper to get the updates?
I also assume that by doing this I will be stuck using the custom rom, right? Or as long as my ESN is added to the Metro system I can change it to any rom I can find that is fully operational with Metro?
Is there any other vital information I should make sure to ask for in case I need to configure anything in the future?
Would it be smarter for me to just ask him to add my ESN to metro and then flash it myself? (If I can find a guide online-- links, anybody?)
Feel free to add any information that you think might help!
Thanks in advance.

its pretty much about manually programming in your data settings 100% correctly. anyone can add an meid/esn into their database and program in your phone number(##SPC#). if you research online you can find the exact settings. i dont believe metro uses wap anymore so that certainly makes things easier.
you should be able to use ANY rom and be able to call/text/use data. the only issue you will run into(maybe.. i dont use metro) would be mms. mms sometimes is custom built for a specific phone/carrier. when you see metro/cricket custom roms.. thats generally the big modification.. the mms. you may get some little edits here and there.. changing the word sprint to metro etc... but otherwise thats pretty much it. as is.. the epic 4g touch can be manually programmed with any cdma carriers data profiles for 3g.
if you dont care about mms.. its a 100% no brainer.. take the time and do it yourself. if mms is a must.. do a little research to see if others on metro got mms working.. there will be people talking about it somewhere on the internet.
and just to add.. if u do use a custom rom for metro.. you will be stuck with that rom(unless its a freely available custom rom.. but those are rare these days.. most are sold on cdma forums for lots of $$$).

I will preface this with I've never done this before so I don't know the outcome. That said, at least in my area, the 4g is not compatible with lte, metro doesn't have 3g but 2g rttx1 should work. I don't know about you but if it were me, I wouldn't do it. That's like putting a restricting device on a Porsche so that its top speed is 30mph. 2g is practically dial up speeds. Do what you will though...

autoprime said:
its pretty much about manually programming in your data settings 100% correctly. anyone can add an meid/esn into their database and program in your phone number(##SPC#). if you research online you can find the exact settings. i dont believe metro uses wap anymore so that certainly makes things easier.
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Thanks so much, great information. Question- Do you mean I can add my own ESN into the Metro Database myself? I thought only Metro reps could do that (independent ones for under the table).
As for the rest of the data settings, when searching for this information online, do I need to look specifically for Epic 4g Touch, or the data settings will be the same no matter what phone?
autoprime said:
if you dont care about mms.. its a 100% no brainer.. take the time and do it yourself. if mms is a must.. do a little research to see if others on metro got mms working.. there will be people talking about it somewhere on the internet.
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Actually I don't care about mms, as long as I can do regular text messages (sms). Does this mean that if I don't care for MMS I can actually get the Epic Touch fully operational on the stock rom?
autoprime said:
and just to add.. if u do use a custom rom for metro.. you will be stuck with that rom(unless its a freely available custom rom.. but those are rare these days.. most are sold on cdma forums for lots of $$$).
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So I couldn't re-flash it to a different rom? It's not "reversible"? (If it is possible- would I lose all the Metro data if I changed the rom?)
Thanks for the help, I've been Googling around like crazy trying to find more info, but not finding a lot. I probably should of gotten a more commonly metro flashed phone, lol. I'll keep looking around and see if I can find any guides, if I find one and can do everything myself I'd rather go that route (not to save money, just to be able to troubleshoot any issues that may arise in the future).
Edit: I've found this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8395950 that looks like it might be exactly what I need to do (up to step 28), and someone on this Epic Touch Forum recommended another member to this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1303507 but it's for Evo 3D, so not sure if it would work for the Epic. The guide starts off for phones already "flashed to metro with text and talk", though. I think I still need to pay the "Pro" to get my ESN added to the Metro Network? Are they able to add the ESN to the Metro Database and get text/talk working without flashing a custom rom?
Sorry... so many questions. I'll give lots of thanks =(
EDIT #2:
Think I got it now. Looks like I will need to get the phone Metro Flashed through my guy for talk and text (I can ask if his MMS/Web method involves a custom rom, if so I'll pass) then I can activate web (and MMS I guess) myself through these steps: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1303507
At this point (correct me if I'm wrong) I won't be locked into any custom roms and I can freely upgrade to any freely available rom (ie CM7) without affecting my Metro settings?

really not sure what the best procedure is for getting your esn added to the DB.. i would think any 3rd party metro store would be able to add it into system... as well as some people on craigslist. just look for the cheapest option.
once your esn ins in the system.. you pick a plan.. program in your phone number and msid (##SPC#) as well as write a metro PRL to the phone... and thats it for working talk/text. thats the "basic flash" most people do. only thing you cant do yourself is add meid.
and then you will eventually program data. the steps for evo 3d should be very similar to epic. other than how to get the phones into DIAG mode.. what to manually add is the same across the board... tho your username/password will be unique to you. (ppp password is based off esn.. username will be based on phonenumber).
i believe metro has recently added 3G in SOME areas.. so theres a small chance youll have that. and as for 4G... see my epic 4g touch thread on how to edit wimax settings...
ive said enough.. you should be able to take it from here.
edit: as for being "stuck" with a custom metro rom.. youd have the option to reflash anything youd like.. but the custom metro settings would probably no longer work. it would suck to pay for a custom rom that you end up wanted to switch out anyway(since it wouldnt be updated like he rest of the roms). i say pay the $10.. 15..20.. whatever it is to have esn added to the system.. then do the rest yourself.

If you search on ebay. There is a guy that can add your esn to metro for $25. Then you can flash your own custom rom, but you would have to setup your own data. If you search around, there are threads about how to setup data for metropcs around the web.

Ran outta thanks, I'll get you tomorrow
I looked it up on ebay and there's only a couple up atm and they end up being a lot, ie the cheapest is $20 but then they charge $25 shipping lol <.<
Luckily, the local guy I found on Craigslist (there are actually a lot independent metro stores in the area advertising actually) will add ESN and get talk & text working for $35. So it's not a bad deal. From there I'll get the rest working myself.
Although I'm gonna ask him about his MMS method, if it involves a custom rom I have been contemplating getting it. I been researching and it looks like all I have to do is backup the custom rom with nandroid, and I can flash to whatever rom I want, then I can always revert to the custom rom if I really want MMS working again-- if I'm unable to get it working myself.

My used Epic 4G Touch arrives in a few hours!
First thing I plan on doing is a full restore and then installing EL13+CWM. After this I'll get take it to the independent Metro store to get it flashed over to Metro. Then I'll make my first nandroid backup.
Question- By making the nandroid backup I can always revert back to the Metro data settings my guy configured, right? (In the case they get deleted through rom flashing).
Can I see all the settings he configured by reading the values set through CDMA Workshop? Would this include everything needed to make the phone fully functional on Metro again (outside of the possible custom rom to make MMS work)?
Thanks in advance.

Godswrath said:
My used Epic 4G Touch arrives in a few hours!
First thing I plan on doing is a full restore and then installing EL13+CWM. After this I'll get take it to the independent Metro store to get it flashed over to Metro. Then I'll make my first nandroid backup.
Question- By making the nandroid backup I can always revert back to the Metro data settings my guy configured, right? (In the case they get deleted through rom flashing).
Can I see all the settings he configured by reading the values set through CDMA Workshop? Would this include everything needed to make the phone fully functional on Metro again (outside of the possible custom rom to make MMS work)?
Thanks in advance.
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nandroid wont restore data settings... but you wont need to as 3g data profiles(as well as talk/text) stick after new roms. only a ##786# full reset will wipe those settings.
you should be able to see most if not all settings with cdma ws/qpst service programming.
1. Phone number/msid has to be programmed.
2. Metro PRL Flashed
3. after step two you now have talk/text.
4. Program in 3G Profile 0/1.
5. Program PPP data profile.
6. Done. Only thing I skipped is MMS.. which will most likely be covered by a custom metro rom.. tho maybe you could take the mms ap out of the custom rom to use... but im just guessing at this point.

autoprime said:
really not sure what the best procedure is for getting your esn added to the DB.. i would think any 3rd party metro store would be able to add it into system... as well as some people on craigslist. just look for the cheapest option.
once your esn ins in the system.. you pick a plan.. program in your phone number and msid (##SPC#) as well as write a metro PRL to the phone... and thats it for working talk/text. thats the "basic flash" most people do. only thing you cant do yourself is add meid.
and then you will eventually program data. the steps for evo 3d should be very similar to epic. other than how to get the phones into DIAG mode.. what to manually add is the same across the board... tho your username/password will be unique to you. (ppp password is based off esn.. username will be based on phonenumber).
i believe metro has recently added 3G in SOME areas.. so theres a small chance youll have that. and as for 4G... see my epic 4g touch thread on how to edit wimax settings...
ive said enough.. you should be able to take it from here.
edit: as for being "stuck" with a custom metro rom.. youd have the option to reflash anything youd like.. but the custom metro settings would probably no longer work. it would suck to pay for a custom rom that you end up wanted to switch out anyway(since it wouldnt be updated like he rest of the roms). i say pay the $10.. 15..20.. whatever it is to have esn added to the system.. then do the rest yourself.
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You can change your meid. ##YOURMSL#
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locoboi187 said:
You can change your meid. ##YOURMSL#
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yes it is possible to change an meid... but i'm not sure why ##MSL# is mentioned... the two are not related.

Hmmm... I'm stuck on this step :
USB Storage Mode is OFF - [Drag down the notification bar and tap on "USB Connected" - should be off by default]
When I click on USB Connected it just sends me back to Home. Any ideas?
(Step 1 from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1342728)
EDIT: figured it out, had to re-install drivers and change the default location to 32-bit
Nope, still no go... Hmm Maybe I'll uninstall drivers and reinstall them. Problem is my PC isn't recognizing phone as a drive, just a device.
Yeah I dunno, gonna give up installing EL13+CWM for now and go get it flashed.
I think the problem is, when I connect the device I get "Samsung Mobile MTP Device Failed"
I downloaded the Samsung USB/Android drivers [USB/Android] and have Kies installed (Kies can't even recognize it though).

autoprime said:
yes it is possible to change an meid... but i'm not sure why ##MSL# is mentioned... the two are not related.
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Your MSL code entered at the dialer with the "#" brings up a menu in which you can edit. I used this with a sprint tech when trying to fix my gps
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Godswrath said:
Hmmm... I'm stuck on this step :
USB Storage Mode is OFF - [Drag down the notification bar and tap on "USB Connected" - should be off by default]
When I click on USB Connected it just sends me back to Home. Any ideas?
(Step 1 from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1342728)
EDIT: figured it out, had to re-install drivers and change the default location to 32-bit
Nope, still no go... Hmm Maybe I'll uninstall drivers and reinstall them. Problem is my PC isn't recognizing phone as a drive, just a device.
Yeah I dunno, gonna give up installing EL13+CWM for now and go get it flashed.
I think the problem is, when I connect the device I get "Samsung Mobile MTP Device Failed"
I downloaded the Samsung USB/Android drivers [USB/Android] and have Kies installed (Kies can't even recognize it though).
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Maybe you need USB debugging enabled by going to Settings > Applications > Development
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Thanks, but no go. Have debugging checked. (I followed the tutorials to the letter)

youre trying to root?

I successfully rooted with the full restore, what I tried to do next was install EL13+CWM and I noticed 2 things:
1st) I can't get past this step: USB Storage Mode is OFF - [Drag down the notification bar and tap on "USB Connected" - should be off by default - pic] (ie when I tap on "USB Connected" it just takes me back to the home screen.
2nd) I continued with the tutorial since it says it should be set correctly as default, but then when the E4GT automated rooting package (not to root, but to install EL13+CWM) it hangs saying "Waiting for device to be connected"
When looking for an answer I discovered this:Why is the install stuck waiting for device to be connected? which gave me some ideas to try, although I've tried all of them to no avail.
I should note that when I go to start->run->devmgmt.msc this:
Code:
Android Phone
SAMSUNG Android ADB Interface
Modem
SAMSUNG Mobile USB Modem
isn't listed there, like it says it should here.
I think I'm going to try to reinstall all the drivers again... Should I do this before or after connected the phone? (The first time I installed the USB/Android drivers from the tutorial before connecting my phone, but I notice after connecting the phone windows goes through the automated process of installing drivers)

<face palm>
http://androidadvices.com/enable-usb-storage-android-devices/
It was so simple, lol... To my own defense this wasn't anywhere in the tutorials
Thanks again for the help guys
EDIT: Well, looks like my problem is still here, the E4GT automated rooting package still hangs searching for device to be connected.
EDIT #2: Omg... Finally figured it out. I thought debugging was enabled (it shows a freakin' check mark) but it has to be a green check mark apparently...
Weee installed CWM, now to create a nandroid and start flashing! Think I'm going for Calkulin's rom with the ICS Theme

Another question!
Hey guys, question:
I got 2 E4GT's flashed over to MetroPCS, both are working fine, but one of them gives me this error on bootup:
Code:
Error 67: Registration failure. Your Sprint data service username
and/or password may be incorrect. Please try again.
Any ideas? Aside from the nuisance, it hasn't seemed to cause any hindrance to the features. The other phone has never given this error, though. Both are running on Calk's rom. Thx guys.

Godswrath said:
Hey guys, question:
I got 2 E4GT's flashed over to MetroPCS, both are working fine, but one of them gives me this error on bootup:
Code:
Error 67: Registration failure. Your Sprint data service username
and/or password may be incorrect. Please try again.
Any ideas? Aside from the nuisance, it hasn't seemed to cause any hindrance to the features. The other phone has never given this error, though. Both are running on Calk's rom. Thx guys.
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if its only at bootup i wouldnt worry too much. its just the firmware trying to get a sprint connection and it failing.. since youre connected to metro. i would check ##data# > view > data profile/username.. compare whats listed for the one thats working to the one thats giving the error. are they both the same? if not, make them the same and perhaps you can avoid the error. if they are the same... its probably some little data setting somewhere that the phone doesnt like and likely not worth the hassle of poking at it more. like i first said.. the error at boot really isnt a huge deal. if it was a constant error that kept popping up then its something to look at.

Getting back onto a Sprint MVNO from Page Plus

Ok, so I flashed to Page Plus awhile back, then I heard about Ring Plus, and decided the service plans were perfect for me. I flashed a ZVC rom through LGNPST that put everything back to stock, supposedly.
I then activated with Ring Plus and got voice, mms, text, and 4g working but no 3g. Ok, so I boot up QPST and look at my current configuration, which is still showing some Verizon settings, after hours of digging around looking for settings and experimenting with settings myself, I'm still left with no 3G or even 1x for that matter. 4G still works great, but my local tower only transmits 4G to a few areas in town.
To the point...I want you to please share your Sprint settings with me, if you are on Ring Plus, even better. If you need incentive, money is available. Screen captures are what I need, but please cover up important info just for safety. Thanks in advance!

I'm on Ring Plus. How do I get the information you need?

oohaylima said:
I'm on Ring Plus. How do I get the information you need?
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Nice. Are you familiar with QPST? I'm using version 2.7 build 422. Along with QPST you will need the LG drivers if you don't have them already. I got the latest QPST version from the CDMA Gurus forum.
After all of that installs, set your phone into diagnostic mode by entering ##3424# in the dialer and enabling the option. Plug in your phone to a USB port you have never had problems with.
Open up QPST Configuration and you should see your phone pop up, I had difficulty with mine and had to restart my computer to get everything recognized.
From the QPST Configuration window click on the top bar Start Clients and then Service Programming, your phone should automatically pop up in this new box that opens up, click Ok. From here, click on Read Phone and it will ask you for your MSL, mine is 000000, and I'm pretty sure all of the LGOGs are (please correct me if I'm wrong).
Then you have the option of either doing screen captures to get me the info or to save your configuration into a .qcn file (bottom right of box "Save to file"). After you have done this please hook me up with your paypal email so I can put some cash into your account. Thanks man, I'm really excited to possibly get this thing working right again. I almost broke down today and purchased a used Samsung GS2.

Sure thing. Our job site will be done tomorrow. So I'll have the picture posted up then. And don't worry about the money. We're family here on XDA. And family never charges to help each other out.

That's great man! I'm going to go ahead and post up all of my screen captures in QPST which could potentially save you from having to post more pics than necessary,
Ok, here we go, hopefully they aren't too small. I left out blank windows and hopefully all important information regarding getting my phone jacked, heh, after all, this can be read with a Google search.
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Alright. Just arrived back from our project. Sent you a message.

Still looking for a solution. I purchased an HTC Evo 4G and took note of the settings on the Evo and put some of those settings into my OG, still no go. Haha, the good news is that I keep finding more places in town that have 4G, so every time I am in a new place my phone hasn't been to it's like a little game to find out if 4G is there or not, lol!
Is it possible that when I first flashed my phone with "Magical Phones" they dumped my HA and AAA keys? When I read the area they are supposed to reside in all I get are 0.
If this phone weren't so absolutely flawless I would sell it and move onto something that works correctly. I can't believe what this phone sells for now, it seems like it is getting cheaper by the day.

Someone else sent my text to my friend

Wondering if my phone got hacked. I am running infamous rom on tmobile. Tonight my friend received my text messages from another number, and when my friend questioned who he was, he either didnt seem surprised or he was just playing along. If my phone did get hacked, do you guys have any advice like a system format, a setting I can change, or should I call tmobile directly?
Thank in advance

mikatachan said:
Wondering if my phone got hacked. I am running infamous rom on tmobile. Tonight my friend received my text messages from another number, and when my friend questioned who he was, he either didnt seem surprised or he was just playing along. If my phone did get hacked, do you guys have any advice like a system format, a setting I can change, or should I call tmobile directly?
Thank in advance
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I'd call T-Mo directly and advise them of the situation. You might ask your buddy if he would participate and allow his carrier to use information to find what phone did the spoofing, and they can track the user via the IMEI number that is recorded when transmission is initiated. You MIGHT be required to have a police report to get the tracking done, so you ought to consider making the report to your local PD.
Be SURE your buddy isn't jerking your chain before you do anything, and I'd probably want to SEE the TM before any action on your part.
Aloha and Good Luck!

Bobolinko's advice is correct and the best course of action.
But to answer your specific question about the phoen being hacked...No, wiping it won't help. Neither will installing a different ROM or anything else.
If what your buddy is saying is actually happening, it's most likely not that someone have hacked into your phone and is remotely sending messages from your phone. It's far more likely that someone intercepted your cell signal, hacked the IMEI number (as stated above) and applied your IMEI number to another device, thus cloning your phone.
That message to your buddy came from another device entirely and never went through your phone at all. The problem is that this is very hard to fix. You can't have T Mobile jus tblock your IMEI number because then your phone won't work either. T Mobile can't distinguish between your phone and the cloned fake phone because both are broadcasting the same IMEI number, which is the identifier T Mobile uses to use your phone.
Have you left the United States recently and used your phone in another county? This whole scenario is vey common in Russia and other Eastern European countries. People got there on a vaction, use their phone, and immediately the phone's IMEI is captured and stolen. If you had mobile data turned on or used wifi, the user data on the phone is also likely compromised. Meaning all passwords, etc.
If you haven't left the US, it's much less likely, but still possible this is what happened.
Someone could have also physically looked at your phone, wrote down the IMEI number under the battery, and cloned it that way just to screw with you. No intercepted radio signals or anything. Just good old fashioned "copying the key". In that scenario it's almost certainly someone you know (unless you are in the habit of leaving your phone completely unattended around strangers).