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Hello? Is Windows Mobile so Irrelevant that we just don't get Skyfire anymore?
Skyfire is charging iphone customers for what we have been using for years, and yet now we can't use it? I'm pissed. Their servers are overloaded because they pre render the pages, and I understand that, but to simply forget about us is wrong. We didn't pay for it so we don't count anymore?
Are we going to get Skyfire function back? If so, is it going to be intermittent because Apple people jump all over it again?

SpinalRemains said:
Hello? Is Windows Mobile so Irrelevant that we just don't get Skyfire anymore?
Skyfire is charging iphone customers for what we have been using for years, and yet now we can't use it? I'm pissed. Their servers are overloaded because they pre render the pages, and I understand that, but to simply forget about us is wrong. We didn't pay for it so we don't count anymore?
Are we going to get Skyfire function back? If so, is it going to be intermittent because Apple people jump all over it again?
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I'm pretty upset about it too, but seeing as most devs are leaving WM for WP7, I doubt that we'll see this working for us again in the near future. Maybe it'll be working again when they add more servers to cope with the new demand. Only time will tell. I know I've got my fingers crossed.

Petition to bring Skyfire back to WinMo http www ipetitions com/petition/skyfireforwinmo/

Thanks for the link. I don't actually believe it will do anything, but what the hell right?
No one is even upset that ppl are paying for it. I know I would gladly fork over 3 bucks for Skyfire. It's the way they did it. One day we're happy and using and the next day Apple is their new customer. That's just mobile ass rape at its finest if you ask me.

I read a user on here comment some time ago "I will never use a server based browser" in reference to Skyfire. And now I see why. They can decide to drop support whenever they want, and you are completely screwed, and don't even know what is going on.
Interesting, Skyfire became the No. 3 best selling paid app within 5 hours on the Apple app store, before it had to be pulled due to the Skyfire servers being overloaded.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/209765/apple_iphone_users_overwhelm_flashfriendly_app_skyfire.html
Sad to see so many people flocking to what seems to me a developer that does not support it product. I understand WM (at least versions before WP7) is a sinking ship, and a similar thing will likely never happen to the iPhoney. But it seems pretty crappy for a developer to suddenly drop its software apparently without warning or any kind of announcement/communication.

Oh it's completely personal. They rendered 3 quicklinks on my Home Page useless. It doesn't get any more personal. Messing with someone's mobile device is like messing with their woman, or their car. It's just wrong. Send me a dam Email or somethin. Is that too hard?

Wow that's terrible. I've been using OperaMini for some time now since it came out of beta. But I guess some people want flash to work in their browser.
The Uzard browser might be a good replacement:
http://www.uzard.com/en/down/download_windowsmobile.asp
(i also attached a cab)
i think it might have to be installed on the storage card to work.

Skyfire hasn't even bothered to post an announcement on their website. In fact, WM is still listed on their site as being supported, and Skyfire is still on the MS Marketplace. This is terrible communication. I hope they screw iPhone users just like WM users. Unlikely, but if iPhone users are dumb enough to buy into this, then they deserve what's coming to them.

how.to.get.WMplayer.7.?in.tilt2?

japper88 said:
Wow that's terrible. I've been using OperaMini for some time now since it came out of beta. But I guess some people want flash to work in their browser.
The Uzard browser might be a good replacement:
http://www.uzard.com/en/down/download_windowsmobile.asp
(i also attached a cab)
i think it might have to be installed on the storage card to work.
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Does this allow the flash player to work, like with skyfire?
I was wondering what happened, since I am getting the servers filled message for the past few days.
So many websites now days require the flash players to work properly, Opera just isn't cutting it anymore.

StrangeShadow said:
Does this allow the flash player to work, like with skyfire?
I was wondering what happened, since I am getting the servers filled message for the past few days.
So many websites now days require the flash players to work properly, Opera just isn't cutting it anymore.
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I tried uZard, and yes, it transcodes Flash content same way that Skyfire did. but it was painfully slow. Even when rendering non-Flash webpages.

SKyfire News Update
For anyone interested, Skyfire announced that they were ending support for WM and Symbian devices at the end of this year. There is talk of offering it again, but for a price this time. It would be a welcome cost, for me, as their 1.x version is more feature rich than the new 2.x version available currently for iPhone users and soon for Blackberry 6, Meego, and WP7. Legacy support will end in about six weeks. Uzard is pretty much the only other option, albeit a crappy one so far. It's still in beta, but hopefully the final product is better than the current version.
R.I.P. Skyfire
You will be missed.
SOURCE ARTICLE

It works really well, doesn't seam to keep cookies, etc, so no trouble having to delete it after use too. Doesn't seam to offer a copy paste feature or selection tool though, if you want to copy some text from a web page.

cajunflavoredbob said:
For anyone interested, Skyfire announced that they were ending support for WM and Symbian devices at the end of this year. There is talk of offering it again, but for a price this time. It would be a welcome cost, for me, as their 1.x version is more feature rich than the new 2.x version available currently for iPhone users and soon for Blackberry 6, Meego, and WP7. Legacy support will end in about six weeks. Uzard is pretty much the only other option, albeit a crappy one so far. It's still in beta, but hopefully the final product is better than the current version.
R.I.P. Skyfire
You will be missed.
SOURCE ARTICLE
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I assume that we will be left without a flash browser in the next few months. Skyfire left us hangin on for a year without an update before finally tellin WM users they were done with us and if u research u'll find that UZARD has not given us an update in almost a year. The UZARD WEB S & UZARD WEB H they have been showin on their site for 8 month that were gonna be the socalled next updates for WM were never released. My guess is they are takin a page from Skyfires book and was waitin on WP7. I personally do not wanna have to install XDANDROID just to run android apps on WM. I think our best bet is to find someone to port the android version of SKYFIRE if we want to continue using a flash equiped browser on WM or get someone to port FLASH10.1 from android. Maybe someone should start a bounty thread for these android ports.

I allways installed it but never used it. Opera mini is way better

Skyfire is working for me currently. I'm enjoying it while it's available. I would certainly pay for it if they decided to charge for continuing support.

cajunflavoredbob said:
Skyfire is working for me currently. I'm enjoying it while it's available. I would certainly pay for it if they decided to charge for continuing support.
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can You still use Skyfire ? in my phone it can't connect to the derver.

jsaid said:
can You still use Skyfire ? in my phone it can't connect to the derver.
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Nope. It stopped working earlier this week for me. They were shutting it off region by region. Everything is expected to go dark for legacy support by 31 December this year.

Hi guys/gals
Hope everyone had a nice X Mas.
I'm still looking for a replacement browser or something so that I can run Flash on my TP2 like I did with Skyfire. Anyone have any solutions besides that Uzard one? That one was just too clunky and slow. I really do not want to upgrade my device because I have come to love the archaic TP2, but not having flash is really a downer.

I didn't notice that they pulled support until some time later. Honestly, I got very frustrated with how slow the "fastest" browser was. It used to be good, but after awhile it just became frustrating. Once I discovered Opera Mobile 10, I almost never used it anymore. (Call me crazy, but Opera Mobile 10 is my favorite mobile browser, I just love the interface and it may not be super-fast but it's not too bad in that respect.) (I never really cared for Opera Mini on anything other than dumbphones-- having to deal with java apps, I think, is kind of a pain. But, that's just a matter of personal taste.)
I briefly used a Nexus S, and I never even bothered to install the Android version of Skyfire on it. It's just my personal opinion that there are better browsers out there. I guess I don't use flash that often, and, honestly, Skyfire didn't do a great job of it anyway. Sometimes it was useful, but usually it was clumsy and difficult.
It had a time that it was a great browser, but it seemed like they reached a point where they stopped listening to what their users wanted. Like the whole giant text thing that never worked consistently. A lot of people on their forum said that they hated it, but they never gave us the option to disable at (at least while I was using it).
That being said... Yeah, they're jackasses for just leaving us high and dry when we were the ones that got them started. I guess they think they're appealing to a wider audience, but when the non-technical users realize that server-side browsing has problems, they'll stop using it, and when those of us that are using WinMo 6.x are finally forced to use Android or WP7... well, I don't know about anybody else, but I sure won't be using their crappy browser, knowing that they're going to turn tail and run at the first sign that they might make a buck elsewhere.
I'm not an enormously technical person, but this is just the way it seems to be to me. In a way it kind of reminds me of how RIM bought Torch and we lost Iris. Not that I would expect RIM to continue to develop a browser for a competitor, but as a user it just sucked when that happened because we lost a pretty good browser. But in that case, at least, we can still download the old cab files and use it, we just won't get updates.

One app that you should avoid

I recently tried the Graphic ly comic reader app in the Windows Phone Marketplace. Hoping to find a comic reader as good as droid comic viewer I found myself very very disappointed. The controls are shoddy, pinch to zoom is flakey and you have to zoom all the way out to turn the page. This is a far cry from the original video that was shown to consumers.
I understand that newly released products are no always perfect so I figured I would share my concerns with the developer. Their response was shocking and disappointing.
We would like to improve our WP7 app much more in the future, but I
will be straight with you: due to the low sales of the windows 7
phones we have put the improvement of the app lower on our priority
list than the continual improvement of our other apps.
In the meantime: please check out our adobe air application and our
new web application at:*http://graphicly.com/
Any comics that you buy in any of our applications can be read on any
of our other applications. *Your graphicly login should work on any of
them.
Thanks
-******
graphicly
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Now I know business is business but to release a bad product in the first place is unacceptable especially when the app merely needs some tuning. Due to the lack of planned future support I can only suggest that you guys stay away. Here is hoping that robot comics releases one on WinPho 7.

That is such a load of happy horse****. There are many apps where the developers are frequently updating and providing excellent communications between themselves and the users.
When WP7 takes off - and it will - I hope that many others are aware of the developer's attitude and shut them out. Let the money go to another comic app.

I was very dissapointed with the graphic.ly app, especially compared to what we've seen before. This attitude isn't going to get them any customers. If they're not going to put any effort in the phone app, I don't see any point in buying comics from them or getting their adobe air app.

Shame, i was hovering over it recently....
Thanks for the heads up. I like to stay away from those types of attitudes of devs and updates/support. "EA ruined a good brand after Westwood"
If it's not important enough for them, guess it's not important enough for me to use.

bernaserra said:
I recently tried the Graphic ly comic reader app in the Windows Phone Marketplace. Hoping to find a comic reader as good as droid comic viewer I found myself very very disappointed. The controls are shoddy, pinch to zoom is flakey and you have to zoom all the way out to turn the page. This is a far cry from the original video that was shown to consumers.
I understand that newly released products are no always perfect so I figured I would share my concerns with the developer. Their response was shocking and disappointing.
Now I know business is business but to release a bad product in the first place is unacceptable especially when the app merely needs some tuning. Due to the lack of planned future support I can only suggest that you guys stay away. Here is hoping that robot comics releases one on WinPho 7.
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That's depressing. Low WP7 sales volume not good. Hopefully this app dev is just a WP7 hater.

Considering that, at least in the US, folk generally wait until their account is due for a subsidized upgrade before getting a new phone (mine just happened to drop in late November ), it makes sense that sales for WP7 haven't exploded yet. I could see holding off on making an app until WP7 grows in market share, but to release a shoddy app, charge for it, and then not support it just because it's not a cash cow yet is simply horrid customer relations. Seeing as the potential dollar is apparently all that matters to these jokers, I'll be sure and speak with my wallet, and mark this one off of the potential to-buy list.

Hilarious. TBQH.
SWYPED from my SUPASONIC

Due to the low sales of Windows Phone 7 ???
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How would they know this when no one else seems to have this info yet? Perhaps they are basing it on the low sales of their crappy app?

iirc i read some developers are complaining because they have no way to know how much they are selling, and microsoft will start paying in february... so how does this guy know that they are not doing ok?
i call bul****

installed it just to rate it poorly and uninstall it. If you are not going to support your work then don't release it in the marketplace.
OP, I would forward that email to MS support so they know the dev isn't willing to support their app.

nrfitchett4 said:
installed it just to rate it poorly and uninstall it. If you are not going to support your work then don't release it in the marketplace.
OP, I would forward that email to MS support so they know the dev isn't willing to support their app.
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I concur. That's a damn good idea.

WhyBe said:
How would they know this when no one else seems to have this info yet? Perhaps they are basing it on the low sales of their crappy app?
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Exactly what I was going to post.
Lol.
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App

On a more positive note, I have contacted Robot Comics, the developer of Droid comic viewer from android. I used thier app right before I went to WP7 and it was very intuitive and easy to use in portrait and landscape. It also supported locally added comics.
After emailing I recieved some very good news.
Thanks Jose! Good news: a WP7 version is in our roadmap.
Best,
--
ROBOT COMICS
Comics for Android, iPhone/iPod touch, iPad, Kindle & more
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I am not trying to come across as anyone of importance but I love WP7 and would personally like to see it succeed so I figured the best I can do is let the developers know that they have a potential customer. Also does anyone know how I can get in contact with MS support?

bernaserra said:
On a more positive note, I have contacted Robot Comics, the developer of Droid comic viewer from android. I used thier app right before I went to WP7 and it was very intuitive and easy to use in portrait and landscape. It also supported locally added comics.
After emailing I recieved some very good news.
I am not trying to come across as anyone of importance but I love WP7 and would personally like to see it succeed so I figured the best I can do is let the developers know that they have a potential customer. Also does anyone know how I can get in contact with MS support?
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http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/windowsphone7/threads
Alex

Sorry about that message from Graphicly - it was wrong.
Hi,
Im Micah, CEO of Graphicly. I am unsure of who would provide you that message, that we are not supporting the Win7 Phone application, but it is wrong.
We continue to develop and maintain the applications that our community desire.
The WP7 app that we put out was our v1. We are working to improve the reading experience and other aspects of the application, as we know its it not perfect yet.
Of the applications we have, our Adobe AIR application has been around the longest and has the most development hours into it.
As the WP7 phone continues to grow, we will continue to develop against it.
If you have any questions, or want to discuss this further, I can be reached directly at 720-248-8499 or via email at [email protected] (GTALK too).
Again, I apologize for the confusion, I will make sure that everyone on the Graphicly team understands our product roadmap.
micah

micahb said:
Hi,
Im Micah, CEO of Graphicly. I am unsure of who would provide you that message, that we are not supporting the Win7 Phone application, but it is wrong.
We continue to develop and maintain the applications that our community desire.
The WP7 app that we put out was our v1. We are working to improve the reading experience and other aspects of the application, as we know its it not perfect yet.
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Hopefully someone from XDA can validate, but if this is indeed true I thank you for clearing things up Its nice to see brands out there connecting with their customer and stepping up to the bat like this.
Hopefully we'll see the app improved! You could always open it up on CodePlex and let XDA hackers have at it!

It is indeed me - How would you like to verify it? I can give you my mom's phone number... How about this - we have promo codes enabled in the AIR app. Use "techcrunch" (no quotes) and get a free comic. We used it for an old techcrunch article, and I think its still alive. Then when you use the WP7 phone, it will be in there, and you can give me solid feedback on the mistakes we made.
Tell me more about CodePlex. I would be happy to let the community at it. We are doing something similar with our Win7 app. Building out APIs that are secure and can be built on is a personal passion of mine.
micah

micahb said:
Hi,
Im Micah, CEO of Graphicly. I am unsure of who would provide you that message, that we are not supporting the Win7 Phone application, but it is wrong.
We continue to develop and maintain the applications that our community desire.
The WP7 app that we put out was our v1. We are working to improve the reading experience and other aspects of the application, as we know its it not perfect yet.
Of the applications we have, our Adobe AIR application has been around the longest and has the most development hours into it.
As the WP7 phone continues to grow, we will continue to develop against it.
If you have any questions, or want to discuss this further, I can be reached directly at 720-248-8499 or via email at [email protected] (GTALK too).
Again, I apologize for the confusion, I will make sure that everyone on the Graphicly team understands our product roadmap.
micah
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I did not want to post the name but originally I wrote the email in reply to the email I received about you guys releasing a Google web app to this emai "[email protected]"
I received a reply back from a Audrey Zarr stating what I posted. I sent her a polite email expressing my dismay with that type of business attitude and never got a reply back. I certainly wasn't trying to slander your company but knew it would be best to share this info on the web.
I understand that this is a v1 app and I would have been perfectly happy with a "we are working to improve this app" type of answer. Instead I was given the previously posted information. Currently your app is sitting at 1 star, I would hope you guys would want to improve that. Best of luck on your next release.

yeah... [email protected] is the reply email on our newsletter. Audrey is one of our engineers, and is tasked with answering questions about bugs, issues, feature requests, etc.
Your question is quite valid, and in some ways, her response (we are a small company, and we have to focus on the products our community want) is correct. Except the part about us abandoning development on the WP7 app.
A couple of other points (really just FYI). The video from the MIX conference was a proof of concept. We were asked to show off what Deep Zoom would look like in our reader, and so we did. As the months passed and the WP7 software progressed, it became clear that we wouldnt be able to have deep zoom on the finished app.
Other issues: The dev phone we had was a samsung, which is not even one of the release phones. It made things like having pinch/zoom work properly really tough.
So, do we want to make the app better? Of course we do. We want all of our apps to be solid and work at a high level. I believe that the WP7 platform has potential.

micahb said:
yeah... [email protected] is the reply email on our newsletter. Audrey is one of our engineers, and is tasked with answering questions about bugs, issues, feature requests, etc.
Your question is quite valid, and in some ways, her response (we are a small company, and we have to focus on the products our community want) is correct. Except the part about us abandoning development on the WP7 app.
A couple of other points (really just FYI). The video from the MIX conference was a proof of concept. We were asked to show off what Deep Zoom would look like in our reader, and so we did. As the months passed and the WP7 software progressed, it became clear that we wouldnt be able to have deep zoom on the finished app.
Other issues: The dev phone we had was a samsung, which is not even one of the release phones. It made things like having pinch/zoom work properly really tough.
So, do we want to make the app better? Of course we do. We want all of our apps to be solid and work at a high level. I believe that the WP7 platform has potential.
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I understand that there were time constraints but phone operating systems as of recent seems to lean on their marketplace for success. A bunch of half baked apps won't appeal to anyone.(see palm) That was my main reason for reaching out. I also understand focusing on what the market wants, Microsoft has deep pockets and this OS will eventually be pretty successful. I will spend my money and time on apps that were well made and supported from the get go. As a vendor of comics I am sure your business relies on repeat business.

Flash - has this been forgotten

Is it just me or around October did we not get word that Flash for Windows phone 7 was coming but since then its like nothing was ever said. Does anyone have any more insight on this or was it all just a big rumour that's now being ignored?

Well, there's not much talk about it, although it was mentioned officially several times. Flash will come when Adobe delivers a version with decent performance (which may be just a tiny bit earlier than when cows come home).
There's not much talk about it because there's not much to talk about. It's one of the topics to discuss for the blogosphere, especially since Steve Jobs criticized Flash in public, but lack of Flash isn't really that big of a deal in practice, so you don't see waves of complaints really.

vangrieg said:
Well, there's not much talk about it, although it was mentioned officially several times. Flash will come when Adobe delivers a version with decent performance (which may be just a tiny bit earlier than when cows come home).
There's not much talk about it because there's not much to talk about. It's one of the topics to discuss for the blogosphere, especially since Steve Jobs criticized Flash in public, but lack of Flash isn't really that big of a deal in practice, so you don't see waves of complaints really.
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Yes it is a very big deal.
Big amount of internet data is not available for the user, including videos and websites built on flash. There are many things which matter to me and I can't see them.
The whole things looks like intentional - probably lazyness. There's no reason to not support flash these days.

doministry said:
Yes it is a very big deal.
Big amount of internet data is not available for the user, including videos and websites built on flash. There are many things which matter to me and I can't see them.
The whole things looks like intentional - probably lazyness. There's no reason to not support flash these days.
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Oh come on. How many smartphones do actually support Flash properly? Sure, Android does to some extent, but not nearly on all the devices out there and it's far from fluid on the majority of the ones that do. Apple's iPhone (or iPad) doesn't. WM6.5 doesn't. Crackberries doesn't. The list goes on.
While Flash would be a great addition I wouldn't want it unless it was fast and full-featured. Playback of choppy videos is not Flash support. It would be better to just hand off the H264 stream to the built-in video-player, just like the YT plugin does. Support for Flash games or apps is a completely different beast.

Glaring
doministry said:
Yes it is a very big deal.
Big amount of internet data is not available for the user, including videos and websites built on flash. There are many things which matter to me and I can't see them.
The whole things looks like intentional - probably lazyness. There's no reason to not support flash these days.
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I agree totally. On the way to an ATT store to check on some cases, I logged into Hallmark.com to buy an ecard for my daughter AND COULD NOT PREVIEW any of them. I then went to check the weather maps at NOAA.gov and could not see any of the looped maps. I then tried to go to publishers clearing house to fill out some lotto tickets and couldn't because the site didn't detect Flash on my phone. This happened all within a few minutes. Don't anyone try to tell me it is not a big deal, IT IS!!!!!! MS has delivered a hobbled browser experience in WP7. It is their responsibilty to work with Adobe to fix this, we are the customers of MS, not Adobe.

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WM6.5 doesn't.
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Well, Opera on HD2 supported Flash, although it was disabled by default and you had to meddle some settings to turn it on, but I never ever ran into the need.
On the iPhone this was never an issue for me as it handled video on most sites, and ran those videos in iPod, which, for me, is a vastly superior method to showing them in-browser.
On WP7, you can view YouTube videos just fine, which is the majority of videos on the web, but of course you'll stumble into cases when it won't work. How important is it? I personally don't care. You may, so your mileage may vary.
But of all the issues with WP7 this one is least discussed in reality. Which does show that it's more of a chat topic than anything else, IMO.

Flash would be a better marketing point than a benefit to the user on a phone sized device. MS should implement Silverlight and Flash in browser just for marketing alone!
On a tablet, thats' a different matter. imo.

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Well, Opera on HD2 supported Flash, although it was disabled by default and you had to meddle some settings to turn it on, but I never ever ran into the need.
On the iPhone this was never an issue for me as it handled video on most sites, and ran those videos in iPod, which, for me, is a vastly superior method to showing them in-browser.
On WP7, you can view YouTube videos just fine, which is the majority of videos on the web, but of course you'll stumble into cases when it won't work. How important is it? I personally don't care. You may, so your mileage may vary.
But of all the issues with WP7 this one is least discussed in reality. Which does show that it's more of a chat topic than anything else, IMO.
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I know Opera did, to some extent, support Flash on WM. But I didn't list it because it wasn't enabled by default, and even after setting it up myself it was a very flawed experience.
As for videos on WP7, the YT plugin does fine. I wish it would extend support to other sites, but I agree it's much better than displaying video in-line on the webpage itself.
But forgetting about video for a second, Flash is used for a lot of other purposes and while it would be great to have this all in the browser I would only want it if it worked perfectly and didn't slow down the entire browsing experience like it does on certain other platforms. Now, time will tell, but I have a feeling Flash presence is being replaced by HTML5 and to an extent Silverlight in which case, by the time Flash is viable on WP7 there would be no need for it.

Flash lite was on WM since 6.1 and worked on IE.
Flash isn't on WP7 because of security reasons they say.

I heard a few months ago that Adobe and Microsoft were in talks about putting Flash on WP7. I imagine that if it's taking this long, there is probably talk about accessing native code or having it actually built into the browser instead of being a plug-in.

my guess is they are going to wait until the "Mango" update for flash, as HTML5 and Silverlight ni the browser are rumored to come with that update as well.

emigrating said:
Oh come on. How many smartphones do actually support Flash properly? Sure, Android does to some extent, but not nearly on all the devices out there and it's far from fluid on the majority of the ones that do. Apple's iPhone (or iPad) doesn't. WM6.5 doesn't. Crackberries doesn't. The list goes on.
While Flash would be a great addition I wouldn't want it unless it was fast and full-featured. Playback of choppy videos is not Flash support. It would be better to just hand off the H264 stream to the built-in video-player, just like the YT plugin does. Support for Flash games or apps is a completely different beast.
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Sorry but you are talking around the topic.
Today Android - with the biggest increase in market, supports Flash very nicely, as well as the biggest on marketshare - Symbian - supports this FOR YEARS.
So stop this BS about "almost nobody supports this". And why this argument? Isn't WP7 "a new thing"?
WM6.5 was also supporting flash and on my SE X2 I could see alot from what I wanted. Another BS.
And the performance... Stop this nonsense. There are pages which are just a blank spot while many other platforms just show the damned content.
I know you want to justify every **** from MS but it starts to be annoying.
Maybe you should ask MS to cut some more features in order to gain perfect performance?

Main issue? Adobe outsourced their development to india...

I really do hope that browser support for Flash comes to WP7.
Like any other additional feature I want, I'm willing to be patient. There's still a lot that will need to be one over time. And I would rather have it done right, than just having something out that is slow or clunky.

As a N1 user with Flash for the past few months, I can say, it's not choppy, slow or anything like that. It was actually implemented very well. I still use my N1 for travelling instead of my Focus because it has google nav and flash (ie I can watch videos online from anywhere, not just YouTube). I love watching Top Gear Reruns..
The only downside to Flash on Froyo was not only did you get the good (videos and flash content) but the bad (flash pop ups). But it also had a setting so that you could load any flash content manually with a single click.
I'm on board for Flash on WP7 for sure.

I had time to look at this again and from what i see adobe is about to release flash 10.2 so maybe the wait is to bring it out in line with that esp as its much less power Hungary and more secure than 10.1

Full flash support isn't necessary and would probably be pretty crappy like on Android. I'd rather just have a Skyfire browser on WP7.

I don't understand why people are saying Flash on Android (froyo) is crappy. On my N1 it was pretty much flawless. Did other versions of froyo that are locked down by carriers maybe muck it up?

legbuh said:
I don't understand why people are saying Flash on Android (froyo) is crappy. On my N1 it was pretty much flawless. Did other versions of froyo that are locked down by carriers maybe muck it up?
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Nppe, flawless here on the Vibrant, but wait someone will jump here from G1 and tell us all it is ****ty

lumpaywk said:
I had time to look at this again and from what i see adobe is about to release flash 10.2 so maybe the wait is to bring it out in line with that esp as its much less power Hungary and more secure than 10.1
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Most likely not - from what I gather the current Internet Explorer does not allow plugins. This means Flash will not be possible until Microsoft updates IE - something I doubt will happen until the end of the year.
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Full flash support isn't necessary and would probably be pretty crappy like on Android. I'd rather just have a Skyfire browser on WP7.
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But what good is Flash if it doesn't give full support? Watching videos? There are much better ways to do this, like simply pass over the video stream to the internal player (as long as the underlaying format is supported).
As for the general crappiness of Flash on Android; sure there are devices/installs/ROMs where it's pretty much flawless, but OOB on just about all devices it sucks.

sending video thru mms

Please goto the link and vote for video thru mms. It is a common feature that WP7 is sorely lacking.
windowsphone7community.uservoice.com/forums/84435-feature-feedback/suggestions/2036257-send-video-via-mms-also-allow-multiple-pictures-be#comments

you do know that mango is NOT complete yet and that webOS nor iOS could send any type of mms when they first came out, calm down and be patient. there's other ways of sharing videos of u jacking off.

Your response is totally uncalled for. The link goes to windows phone feedback forum where they want to know features customers want. If your not interested in the feature then move on. No need to be vulgar or a prick.

Oops. Clicked on the wrong link. You are right. XD

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Yeah you need to read that page. The feature you are requesting is not an API or Windows Phone Development (Silverlight, C#) feature. That forum is focused on methods and ways to better develop for Windows Phone, not for suggesting features to implement into the core operating environment. You aren't going to find success through that page.
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Actually your mistaken. The forum is for "Feature Feedback Windows Phone 7 Community allows the user to voice the opinions." as quoted from the page. Below that is a link for developer feedback. All you have to do is enter your windows live ID to vote. I can't believe all I'm getting is negativity for wanting to improve an OS I really like and want to succeed. Microsoft is giving us the tools to voice our opinions. I posted here so more people will hopefully use these tools.

cormasco said:
Your response is totally uncalled for. The link goes to windows phone feedback forum where they want to know features customers want. If your not interested in the feature then move on. No need to be vulgar or a prick.
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While probably a little innappropriate in this uptight forum, you need to admit it would have been pretty funny had you seen him say that to somebody else lol

Hey DBag, my flipping phone from 1999 could send flipping video, so the "iOS couldn't do it..." doesn't really fly. If my clunky Nokia could send vids there is NO reason why MS couldn't add this.
It could be a deal-breaker for many.

You Necro'd this thread, BTW. Over a month since the post before yours.
And lots of people have already said that. The general consensus is that since FiyaFleye and Co. think Video MMS quality is "terrible" and they never use it, those of us who still communicate with feature phone users (some of whom don't even have PCs) just need to stop crying and deal with it.

Its funny how I don't even comment on it here and you call me out. Still doesn't take away from "deal breaker" being an extreme statement in this day of other features being much more important
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You Necro'd this thread, BTW. Over a month since the post before yours.
And lots of people have already said that. The general consensus is that since FiyaFleye and Co. think Video MMS quality is "terrible" and they never use it, those of us who still communicate with feature phone users (some of whom don't even have PCs) just need to stop crying and deal with it.
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It's a deal breaker when you stop assuming the whole world uses smartphones that can play WMV or H.264 video formats.
WP7 Mango can't even play 3GP files unless they're in an Email or MMS. That's a standard format and tons of Mobile Website still use it.
These are issues that need to be addressed. I'd say for a consumer-focused OS it's way more important than LinkedIn integration and some of that other stuff they're touting.

The Perfect Windows Phone Ad?

There are rumours this will be turned into an ad campaign, time will tell.

The "really" ad was true to life and not a rigged survey like this one is, but hey, we're talking marketing soooooooo... it should get interesting.

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The "really" ad was true to life and not a rigged survey like this one is, but hey, we're talking marketing soooooooo... it should get interesting.
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I don't get your point at all. How are the "really" ads more true to life than this? This is not a survey, these are real life scenarios, have you even watched the video?

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The "really" ad was true to life and not a rigged survey like this one is, but hey, we're talking marketing soooooooo... it should get interesting.
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I don't think it's rigged dude...

Nope. MS should just watch iphone ads and copy them
For example: an iphone ad will be something like "with the iphone you can do, x, y, z" with video on how to do them all in the ad.
With WP7 ads sometimes even I have no idea what they are trying to do, or even then how to do it (the guy shopping with his kids typing in a document in skydrive). Keep it simple and to the point.

pillsburydoughman said:
Nope. MS should just watch iphone ads and copy them
For example: an iphone ad will be something like "with the iphone you can do, x, y, z" with video on how to do them all in the ad.
With WP7 ads sometimes even I have no idea what they are trying to do, or even then how to do it (the guy shopping with his kids typing in a document in skydrive). Keep it simple and to the point.
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I totally agree with copying what Apple does, it's just great and Google has started doing it too (for non-Android services) but the above video is still miles better than all the generic stuff Microsoft has been doing so far.

cool video. It wasn't rigged but the contestants were obviously not prepared.
First test the guy could have stopped the app and it would have found the song.
The others didn't make use of their widgets, instead they went looking for the app.
Nice try though.
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Well you're right, but the whole point of the contest is to show how on WP7 you don't have to look for a way to do things faster (like stopping soundhound).

vetvito said:
cool video. It wasn't rigged but the contestants were obviously not prepared.
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Agreed.
First test the guy could have stopped the app and it would have found the song.
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Couldn't the WP7 guy as well? Wouldn't a fair test be both to run its course?
The others didn't make use of their widgets, instead they went looking for the app.
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Agreed. Again, not prepared. I was shocked the iPhone beat the WP7 with its straight to camera ability. But then I remembered iOS5.
Nice try though.
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I love this campaign. It has more meaning than the "really" one which is entertaining but does not really show anything. The one great thing about the iPhone/iPad ads are they fully demonstrate the products' capabilities. The Macs take that entertaining approach.
Has my thumbs up.

nicksti said:
I was shocked the iPhone beat the WP7 with its straight to camera ability. But then I remembered iOS5.
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To Me the WP won if it was based on who said uploading first now as far as the completed task there are many other variables like which image was larger thus taking longer to post to twitter.

rruffman said:
To Me the WP won if it was based on who said uploading first now as far as the completed task there are many other variables like which image was larger thus taking longer to post to twitter.
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Either way, this campaign drives the message home:
"Get in, get out, get on with your life."

Peew971 said:
I don't get your point at all. How are the "really" ads more true to life than this? This is not a survey, these are real life scenarios, have you even watched the video?
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The "really" ads showed people staring at their phones, walking into doors, refusing sex, etc which is true to life.
The survey is neither scientific nor prepared users other than the surveyor offering a $100 bet. He decides the task, instead of an impartial third party. Give an impartial third party the opportunity to decide random tasks, it will be very different and less dramatic.
^ this is why I said its marketing, soooooo you know.

LOL, everybody on here that's mad and complaining got smoked by a Windows Phone.

sinister1 said:
LOL, everybody on here that's mad and complaining got smoked by a Windows Phone.
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now that's funnay, sigline updated !

nicksti said:
Agreed.I was shocked the iPhone beat the WP7 with its straight to camera ability. But then I remembered iOS5.
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We'll see:
http://wmpoweruser.com/microsoft-applies-for-patent-on-locked-mode-camera-access-in-smartphones
I seem to remember some iFan reporting on iOS 5 and how one of the reasons it was so much better than Windows Phone was because you could access the camera from the lock screen. He was oblivious that WP7 had done this first, and a year earlier, and would have had serious egg on his face if anyone had ever bothered correcting him.

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We'll see:
http://wmpoweruser.com/microsoft-applies-for-patent-on-locked-mode-camera-access-in-smartphones
I seem to remember some iFan reporting on iOS 5 and how one of the reasons it was so much better than Windows Phone was because you could access the camera from the lock screen. He was oblivious that WP7 had done this first, and a year earlier, and would have had serious egg on his face if anyone had ever bothered correcting him.
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There was a nokia something or other years ago that did this. Not that it matters who was first, its an awesome feature reguardless !

The ads were interesting and did prove some points, but too social network-centered. Come on, you don't choose a phone just because it allows you to quickly post stuff to Twitter. I don't facebook and post to Twitter twice a month, so this is hardly useful. And cameras on most Windows phones suck, especially first-generation models.
No mentions of
- integrated Office
- contact grouping (Android 4 does something like this, but WP7 is better)
- best-of-class email (reading large emails is much better in WP7 than Android)
Now if they did some other real-world scenarios:
- Use turn-by-turn navigation without distracting (Android navigation is a lot better)
- Load an Ajax-heavy page over a crappy network connection (Opera Mini obviously wins)
- Use a non-facebook online messenger, such as Google Talk or ICQ, or a non-integrated social network
- Uploading a bunch of documents for later reference with a USB cable instead of using Skydrive or email
- Identifying a random object (sorry, Bing Vision is pathetic compared to Google Goggles)
- Making a Skype call
- Switching between third-party apps without them losing state
that would make the competition a lot more interesting!
Or if they offered contestants to propose the challenge instead of the predefined scenarios.

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The "really" ads showed people staring at their phones, walking into doors, refusing sex, etc which is true to life.
The survey is neither scientific nor prepared users other than the surveyor offering a $100 bet. He decides the task, instead of an impartial third party. Give an impartial third party the opportunity to decide random tasks, it will be very different and less dramatic.
^ this is why I said its marketing, soooooo you know.
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I don't think I have walked into doors or been refused sex - so don't seem like that's a real life situation for me!
Anyways, if you did read about the 'survey' which was a challenge as a matter of fact - you would have known. The 'survey' wasn't meant to be scientific or wasn't meant to compared the 'cores' of phones. We know the hardware boasting of android is much above par. Dual cores, nearly 2ghz sorta processor etc etc.
What the challenge was to show that, yeah whatever funky hardware you carry in your pocket, let's just do something we do daily and we will see who can do it faster. Yes the incentive was $100. But it is completely wrong to say that 'he chose' the tasks. The tasks were mutually agreed by both and generally the task that the challenger thought he does daily with his phone and is happy doing it was performed as a challenge. For example if someone was so much into tweeting all the time on his dual core high end Android phone, he was challenged to do so against Windows Phone and get smoked!
Ideally if I was challenging WindowsPhone I wouldn't want a random dude to tell me what I should try. Instead asking the user to do what he does daily is scientifically even more challenging. You are not only challenging the cognitive brain but also challenging the routine co-ordination the user has already mastered on his phone. Thus the users who tweet regularly would ideally have the 'widget' somewhere pinned down. If they din't it's sad. But then it shows how the users are used to going into the 'app drawer' even for things they do daily or very frequently. Whereas a WindowsPhone user can pin it in a similar way as any other OS user too. But the fact that is very clear is - Only a few Pinned Live tiles covered ALL or Majority of tasks that any other OS user performed routinely. Thus, you don't need to clutter you screen with widgets, but live tiles (few) will let you do a plenty!
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The ads were interesting and did prove some points, but too social network-centered. Come on, you don't choose a phone just because it allows you to quickly post stuff to Twitter. I don't facebook and post to Twitter twice a month, so this is hardly useful. And cameras on most Windows phones suck, especially first-generation models.
No mentions of
- integrated Office
- contact grouping (Android 4 does something like this, but WP7 is better)
- best-of-class email (reading large emails is much better in WP7 than Android)
Now if they did some other real-world scenarios:
- Use turn-by-turn navigation without distracting (Android navigation is a lot better)
- Load an Ajax-heavy page over a crappy network connection (Opera Mini obviously wins)
- Use a non-facebook online messenger, such as Google Talk or ICQ, or a non-integrated social network
- Uploading a bunch of documents for later reference with a USB cable instead of using Skydrive or email
- Identifying a random object (sorry, Bing Vision is pathetic compared to Google Goggles)
- Making a Skype call
- Switching between third-party apps without them losing state
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Turn-by-turn navigation on WP7 is much less distracting than Googles one. You only hear the annoying woman when you tap and need it. Else it smoothly shows the directions to you. But probably that was no possible anyway unless they go on driving from CES to McD and then to CES!
Do you load Ajax-heavey pages daily? I think loading documents will be done easily and quickly via email. The task for fixed, not the method. So if aim was upload documents - WP7 would have done much faster and safer way using the hotspot connectivity they had. Certain third-party apps like skype, googles and many google services would have surely made WP7 stumble but obviously they could come back with - Ok let's get your XBOX achievements on your android phone? Or let's play assassin's creed or any WP7 only app/games on your phone? - that doesn't look like would have worked!

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Do you load Ajax-heavey pages daily?
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I do, every day. Reading news on the bus/train, while most websites include tons of widgets (Facebook like, Tweet this, +1 etc), ads and inefficiently formatted HTML makes surfing the web with a real browser (instead of Opera Mini) unusable, especially in non-3G areas. I don't need AJAX features, but they do use a lot of traffic and not all websites provide a decent mobile-friendly version. Even forums without tons of AJAX still load much faster in Opera Mini. Online stores, cinema sites, forums - all load slowly, sometimes even on a 3G connection.
If you need to search an answer for something that's not integrated in WP7's Bing features, it's going to be so slow over 2G that most people give up and call a friend to google it on a regular computer.
IE on WP7 however is a very good browser UI-wise, I'd call it the best I've seen on a smartphone.
I do agree with your other points, but the ads could've shown much more features - like voice recognition (in cases where both phones support it), making a call, sending a text or email with the restaurant address. No mentioning of the live tiles or lockscreen displaying the number of unread messages, or the next appointment. Something like 80% of the ads displayed taking a picture and/or posting to social networks. Both Android 4 and iOS 5 already made taking a picture easy right from the lockscreen and posting stuff to social networks right on the spot is not a top priority for most people. It's a nice feature, but email/text is much more important in real life.

Damn the hate on this forum even extends to this competition. I don't remotely see how this was rigged, this was all stuff I do on a daily basis: post to twitter, take pictures and upload them to twitter/fb, etc... Not to mention, the image sizes had nothing to do with this, as the taste was completed when the picture was submitted, not when the upload completed. And, both basically took identical pictures of each other.