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[Q] is just me. or marketplace for wp7 is just full of junk?

Is there really a filter in there? The 90% of the apps in market are really a bunch of junk, yesterday I saw a 400 bucks app that someone did for fun... (not much fun if someone double click the buy button).
I mean is microsoft really fitering the apps for wp7 or they just want to increase the ammount of apps asap?
When are the good apps (like in windows mobile 6) coming?
When we will able to have some serious apps for buy? I speak about GPS navs, configuration tools for connections, tethering apps, voip and all the great stuff that we had on windows mobile etc...

No, you are not dreaming.
They are adding 5 new 'Calculate the Tips' software every week.
Really nice, isn't it?

No it's not just you ... there is alot of rubbish out there but to be fair ... I wouldn't say 90%. There are a few decent bit.
I was expecting this and imagine it will only get better as MS have given this OS some motherly love as opposed to WM

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it will only get better as MS have given this OS some motherly love as opposed to WM
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Nice. So we can expect some good 'Fart' applications in the near future ?

no offense, but how many apps in the apple market or android market are actually any good??? Not very many.
1. HTC has a connections config app, if you didn't buy an htc phone then shame on you.
2. There is a voip app in the marketplace, someone else was talking about it.
3. You do know the OS is less than a month old right???

OK, I have used the Palm market place, the Itunes app store, the android market and the windows market and I have found that in all cases 90% of the apps are rubbish or variations on a theme (tip calculators for the numerically challenged etc.). I am waiting for only 1 app which has been promised - Kindle!!!

That's what makes Apple's app store so laughable. They occasionally announce that there's a bazillion or so apps in their store but 98% of them are rubbish. I suspect the WP7 market will most likely mirror that and it probably should. The alternative is to become Apple and turn things down because "there's too many of those" or "there's no good reason for this" or the worst, no reason at all. Where Apple's store really fails is their rating system. If Microsoft can identify and correct that weakness they'll definitely have an upper hand.

Its the same in every market. No matter where you go there will be junk.
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Johny1969 said:
Is there really a filter in there? The 90% of the apps in market are really a bunch of junk, yesterday I saw a 400 bucks app that someone did for fun... (not much fun if someone double click the buy button).
I mean is microsoft really fitering the apps for wp7 or they just want to increase the ammount of apps asap?
When are the good apps (like in windows mobile 6) coming?
When we will able to have some serious apps for buy? I speak about GPS navs, configuration tools for connections, tethering apps, voip and all the great stuff that we had on windows mobile etc...
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How do you expect to see configuration tweaking apps for the OS that has been locked down like a Ft. Knox?
BTW, happy anniversary.

arturobandini said:
No, you are not dreaming.
They are adding 5 new 'Calculate the Tips' software every week.
Really nice, isn't it?
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Exactly what is the deal with that? That is crazy. Cant even get a decent checkbook app

arturobandini said:
No, you are not dreaming.
They are adding 5 new 'Calculate the Tips' software every week.
Really nice, isn't it?
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Another example are currency converters. The funny thing is that I still have to find one that works correctly with German localization...

I just need a good IM app and the Kindle app and im set. Hopefully the IM app supports multiple logins on all platforms.

Isn't it the developers spewing out these applications that are to blame? If someone is so foolish as to pay a $99 fee only to produce a fart application at the end of it, why is it MS's fault? If they rejected the devs work then people would moan that MS is censoring people, big brother, etc. Just let market forces play their part, crap will sink and quality applications will rise by word of mouth and reviews by users.

efjay said:
Isn't it the developers spewing out these applications that are to blame? If someone is so foolish as to pay a $99 fee only to produce a fart application at the end of it, why is it MS's fault? If they rejected the devs work then people would moan that MS is censoring people, big brother, etc. Just let market forces play their part, crap will sink and quality applications will rise by word of mouth and reviews by users.
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They produce the fart app for you in order to get back that 99 dollars as soon as possible.
Do you think real developers do not want to create good apps? They just need to be interested in what the users want and what they can accomplished with the SDK provided by the manufacturer to satisfy the users' wants.
I suggest for you guys to create a thread, and possibly stick it, on what you want on your device, and get a feedback from developers how easy or difficult it is going to be to implement it,

Johny1969 said:
Is there really a filter in there? The 90% of the apps in market are really a bunch of junk, yesterday I saw a 400 bucks app that someone did for fun... (not much fun if someone double click the buy button).
I mean is microsoft really fitering the apps for wp7 or they just want to increase the ammount of apps asap?
When are the good apps (like in windows mobile 6) coming?
When we will able to have some serious apps for buy? I speak about GPS navs, configuration tools for connections, tethering apps, voip and all the great stuff that we had on windows mobile etc...
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So are you saying the Android market isn't full of junk? When I perused the Android market, I say 90% filler, including sex app after sex app. And I saw personal quote apps a plenty.

MartyLK said:
So are you saying the Android market isn't full of junk? When I perused the Android market, I say 90% filler, including sex app after sex app. And I saw personal quote apps a plenty.
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Stop bringing Android, no need to stir it this way, the thread is about WP7 market.

it goes like this...eventually as the good developers port their apps over to WP7, and the so-so developers get better as they become accustomed to the platform,...the apps on the market will get better. And those apps that are "rubbish" will eventually fade away.
And yes, if you think the WP7 market place is rubbish, there's no doubt that all that rubbish is on every other phone's market place as well...just more of it

lol, I registered to answer this question.
Alot of people are correct in this thread.. Developers are just try to quickly recoup their $99 investment. There is some low lying fruit that can quickly make a buck in a marketplace that has relatively no competition. Flashlights / farts / quotes / bartenders / etc are very easy to make and are a good introduction to new wp7 developers.
What I really came here to say though, is that there is a BIG onus on US to review and rate these apps. We should rate and review every single app we use. Even if you give it a low rating it will push apps that noone even bought lower on the list. I've seen a few free apps with 0 reviews.. this should not happen.
I have an app in development that should be above mediocre, but it takes time and I only got my device for testing 2 days ago. So be patient, we're churning them out.

itchison said:
lol, I registered to answer this question.
Alot of people are correct in this thread.. Developers are just try to quickly recoup their $99 investment. There is some low lying fruit that can quickly make a buck in a marketplace that has relatively no competition. Flashlights / farts / quotes / bartenders / etc are very easy to make and are a good introduction to new wp7 developers.
What I really came here to say though, is that there is a BIG onus on US to review and rate these apps. We should rate and review every single app we use. Even if you give it a low rating it will push apps that noone even bought lower on the list. I've seen a few free apps with 0 reviews.. this should not happen.
I have an app in development that should be above mediocre, but it takes time and I only got my device for testing 2 days ago. So be patient, we're churning them out.
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Thank you for this bit of reminder. Even when I was in Android, I made good use of the rating system...in WinMo on the HD2 also...and I most of the time forgot to rate them myself.

All these app stores, Apple, Android and Microsoft's, suffer the same problem that there's a glut of garbage in them. I can't speak for Android's as I haven't used it in ages but the problem with Apple's is their lousy rating and review system and poor (if any) filtering. I suspect the Apple and Android stores will probably always look like the software version of a garage sale but my hope is that Microsoft identifies and comes up with a good solution to the problem. Being able to sort based on units sold over a period of time, for example, would cause the real trash to immediately sink to the bottom and out of sight regardless of rating. A great fart board is still a fart board, for example, and how many of any individual app is going to be sold? Out of sight, out of mind.

Did the quality of apps just take a nosedive?

Is it just me that's noticing this? Nowadays most of the new apps are just terrible. For example "IM Buddy", I can't fathom how this piece of shift passed certification. It's mind boggling.

If you think that's bad, just look at 90% of the iPhone's app store! This is why quantity doesn't trump quality.
iPhone and Android users keep quoting the NUMBER of apps in their stores as being somehow the best indicator of how a store is doing, but in the end a store with 4,000 top quality apps is far better than a store with 300,000 rotten eggs.
I mean, does the music business tout how many records they have? Is Sony BMG better than EMI because they've put out more music? Of course not. It's all down to the quality of the artists.
Same with apps.
All app stores will end up with some dross. I pray the WP7 store will end up with less of it. All the dross does it make the cream harder to find.

This is the problem now that MS has where they are being judged by quantity when it comes to apps more than quality so they will put stuff through that they otherwise would not had the media let up on the bashing. Though its worth noting that android has a lot worse and is flooded with pure rubbish.

Glad I'm not the only one that thinks the marketplace is full of mostly crap-ware. Other than games, I haven't bought a single thing from the marketplace. The majority of the apps on there regurgitate stuff you could find by doing a simple goobing search. Most of the decent stuff is freeware anyway, like YouTube, Facebook, IMDB, Adobe Reader.
And how many tip-calculators are there!! Do people really calculate their tips based on how much they paid, how many people there are and what percentage tip they want to leave?? You could just calculate how much your meal was and then round the figure off like every other completely sane person.
Solutions looking for problems if you ask me.

masadav said:
And how many tip-calculators are there!! Do people really calculate their tips based on how much they paid, how many people there are and what percentage tip they want to leave?? You could just calculate how much your meal was and then round the figure off like every other completely sane person.
Solutions looking for problems if you ask me.
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ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
sometimes it's really difficult to calculate a 10% tip.. i have 5 tip calculators just in case one of them messes up.

I'm hoping that once a month or something, they get their interns over there at MS to go through the apps and delete the crap/ duplicate apps and notify the developer that they need to up their game.
Do we really need 8 different live-book apps from the same guy, one of which is about a bridge they put up near him?

pillsburydoughman said:
Is it just me that's noticing this? Nowadays most of the new apps are just terrible. For example "IM Buddy", I can't fathom how this piece of shift passed certification. It's mind boggling.
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I don't think it's any worse than it's been from the start. It's always a lot of crap and some good stuff. I can't agree with the guy who said he'd never purchase anything that's not a game. I've purchased Pictures Labs, Stocks Tile, Cocktail Flow, iKamasutra, Personal Shopping Assistant, Word Explorer Dictionary, and I'll give the $3 to Seymour whenever the trial asks me to. I have another 20 or so free apps installed that are pretty good, too.

i don't think we should be worried about what apps go in. what really needs to happen is that the market place itself needs a bit of a revamp in terms of functionality. Possible things that could be put in which would easily make the market place stand up above all rivals are... an advanced search for it, change logs, friends using app, trial/buy ratio, most downloaded/purchased in last day/week/month, feature requests (with rating for request), dev interactions (someway that the dev can get feedback on a particular feature), app beta testing (e.g. one of us makes an app, and we want just the xda community to beta test it before we ship it out for the masses).
all of these are just little ideas that could easily improve the market, help devs bring better products, and ultimately separate the crapware from the awesomeware.

Where I have spent $$$ on apps..
Games: Many - mostly XBL but a couple not XBL worth buying (try a game called Decent... it's really great looking and fun)
Apps: YomoMedia - it's a good RSS feeder and reader... Converter Pro... very cool app for converting everything including currency. Thumba 2 - best image editor on WP7... bar-none. Morfo - because it's retarded and fun. Metro Web Browser - it's cool but it was kind of a waste - it does add some novel features to browsing but not having it integrated is kinda well... worthless. Collage - another great picture app. Picture Frame - another good one for displaying pictures. Picture Labs... not as good as Thumba. Presenter - cool way to control my powerpoints alas not the best solution without Bluetooth however!

Let's think for a minute. The iPhone App Store is filled largely with...garbage apps. Same with Android Market (perhaps more so). What made you guys think that Windows Marketplace wasn't going to suffer the same fate?

wish they would let US, the community, screen the apps i.e. which gets approved or which gets trashed. just wishful thinking

hboos said:
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
sometimes it's really difficult to calculate a 10% tip.. i have 5 tip calculators just in case one of them messes up.
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Only if u had a 3rs grade education.
Just move the decimal one place to the left... It's not hard and involves really no math skills.
I can't believe you posted this crap...
Tip calculators are useless.
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N8ter said:
Only if u had a 3rs grade education.
Just move the decimal one place to the left... It's not hard and involves really no math skills.
I can't believe you posted this crap...
Tip calculators are useless.
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Hehehe, N8ter, I think he's just posting a sarcastic or joke about tip calculators

N8ter said:
Only if u had a 3rs grade education.
Just move the decimal one place to the left... It's not hard and involves really no math skills.
I can't believe you posted this crap...
Tip calculators are useless.
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thanks n8ter. i never knew you could do that. what if there is no decimal to move to the left? but if you move the decimal to the left and the left way is right and the right way is wrong what is left is just the wrong way through the centre and it all becomes mind bottling...
i know it's sometimes difficult to sense sarcasm but you'd think that common sense would factor in somewhere..
but seriously...
there are lots of useless apps in any marketplace but you need that base of useless apps which draws in more users (just because of publicized numbers of apps) and this in turn will attract more developers.
so i welcome all these useless/junk apps.. i won't be using them but they are good for inflating the number of apps in WP7

There was nothing in that post to indicate sarcasm. No emoticon or anything. If you were being sarcastic, you failed at indicating it.
If you actually read this forum, you'll notice that lots of people say lots of things you may think is sarcastic, but they actually mean it.

N8ter said:
There was nothing in that post to indicate sarcasm. No emoticon or anything. If you were being sarcastic, you failed at indicating it.
If you actually read this forum, you'll notice that lots of people say lots of things you may think is sarcastic, but they actually mean it.
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I clocked it as sarcasm but you're from the USA aren't you? I think Americans don't get or use sarcasm as much as we do in the UK. Or something.
But anyway, yeah it was definitely sarcasm.

sometimes it's really difficult to calculate a 10% tip.. i have 5 tip calculators just in case one of them messes up.
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that line screams sarcasm imo..

Agreed. That was a very successful troll.
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Well, I'm going to add three QUALITY apps to the Norwegian market as soon as it opens. Might even have to release them as free apps on the american/english markets until the Norwegian one opens, as licenses are bound to the country you buy it from. So...if I sell through foreign market, users will lose their license when they move to the domestic one :S

Crap apps are easy to make
Good apps take time
This is why there were good apps at launch, but now you see more crap. Give it another month or so, and the tides will turn. Keeping the Zune market from being plagued like the Ios store and Android store, that will be hard to do.

Gizmodo on Windows Phone 7

Gizmodo has just posted an article on WP7 (early Mango build) and they really seem to like it. Apparently the choice this fall is between iPhone and WP7 (unless there's a "killer Nokia" or a radical "Android redesign"). Not bad
Edit: Windows Phone Sauce has compiled a list of previews which you can see here - they all seem generally positive.

So far been pretty good reviews out there, really like how Gizmodo shows off the features in the video.

keyboardP said:
Gizmodo has just posted an article on WP7 (early Mango build) and they really seem to like it. Apparently the choice this fall is between iPhone and WP7 (unless there's a "killer Nokia" or a radical "Android redesign"). Not bad
Edit: Windows Phone Sauce has compiled a list of previews which you can see here - they all seem generally positive.
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It's very nice they like it. But this "unless there's a a radical "Android redesign" is equally silly and shows they're not really serious.

Reading such positive reviews is great, normally Gizmodo has been very critical of the OS.

Doesn't matter how good the reviews are or how good mango is. As soon as you go into a best buy or an AT&T store the sales rep will tell you not to buy a windows phone. I really hate the bias against microsoft.

Didn't gizmodo originally like WP7? I remember a billboard here in the UK with the Gizmodo quote "This changes everything"... Then after launch they proceeded to slag it off at any opportunity.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/27/windows-phone-7-5-mango-in-depth-preview-video/

Everything looks good except for the multi-tasking feature...
It looks like iOS... it'll be nicer if its vert-scrolling like the main screen.

ryude said:
Doesn't matter how good the reviews are or how good mango is. As soon as you go into a best buy or an AT&T store the sales rep will tell you not to buy a windows phone. I really hate the bias against microsoft.
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If you go into a grocery store and they try to get you to buy a nice dole banana or some generic rotten trash, is that being bias? No that's reccommending the correct item. Same premise.
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If you go into a grocery store and they try to get you to buy a nice dole banana or some generic rotten trash, is that being bias? No that's reccommending the correct item. Same premise.
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So by recommending Android basically they are saying no other phone is worth buying? I find that to be biased, since I have used and even developed for Android in the past. I happen to like WP7 more now, I would have never figured that out by asking sales reps I had to learn that myself.

keyboardP said:
Gizmodo has just posted an article on WP7 (early Mango build) and they really seem to like it. Apparently the choice this fall is between iPhone and WP7 (unless there's a "killer Nokia" or a radical "Android redesign"). Not bad
Edit: Windows Phone Sauce has compiled a list of previews which you can see here - they all seem generally positive.
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500,000 android devices activated daily worldwide, increasing 4% each month.
apparently people are choosing something... a whole lot.
positive is positive.

ohgood said:
500,000 android devices activated daily worldwide, increasing 4% each month.
apparently people are choosing something... a whole lot.
positive is positive.
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I didn't say it's not, I was just showing that the press are becoming more positive towards Windows Phone. Engadget, who are notoriously anti-MS, even had good things to say about Mango (as doministry linked). Lets not forget the fact that Android doesn't suffer from the same retail bias, so it's nice to see some objective balance being brought in.

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I have seen some pretty piss poor analogies but this one takes the cake. The correlation makes absolutely no sense, and assigning a "brand" to bananas is crazy. But congrats Dole, people believe a sticker make your product better than Chiquita, or any other "generic" banana (what exactly is a generic banana?) which could have very well been picked off the same tree (since they also import bananas as well).
By the way, you walk in Best Buy and they are pushing Playbooks at you. That means they are the best option available?
There are more than a handful of customer associates that recommend what is in their best interests.

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I didn't say it's not, I was just showing that the press are becoming more positive towards Windows Phone. Engadget, who are notoriously anti-MS, even had good things to say about Mango (as doministry linked). Lets not forget the fact that Android doesn't suffer from the same retail bias, so it's nice to see some objective balance being brought in.
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excellent response ! yes, the biased reviews are nice filtering mechanisms for folks (like you) that can see through them, and find better sources.
I'm still waiting for hard numbers of wp7 device sales. id imagine developers would flock to it -if- there was proof it was a viable 3rd place in handset sales. obviousely there is money in developing ios, some in android, but without numbers, are devs supposed to believe marketers ?
htc just stated they sold 1 out of 2 new wp7 devices, unfortunately, that's still not much to go with.
seeing reviews that show the hardwares weak points along with the softwares' is really nice. the bias makes it meh.

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excellent response ! yes, the biased reviews are nice filtering mechanisms for folks (like you) that can see through them, and find better sources.
I'm still waiting for hard numbers of wp7 device sales. id imagine developers would flock to it -if- there was proof it was a viable 3rd place in handset sales. obviousely there is money in developing ios, some in android, but without numbers, are devs supposed to believe marketers ?
htc just stated they sold 1 out of 2 new wp7 devices, unfortunately, that's still not much to go with.
seeing reviews that show the hardwares weak points along with the softwares' is really nice. the bias makes it meh.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming that WP7 should be praised and others condemned. Every platform has its pros and cons (and it would be nice to not have any obvious bias in articles), but there's been, IMO, some unjust biased against WP7 in many mainstream articles simply because it has the MS tag on it.
I agree about the hard numbers as it's what's keeping a lot of developers away. There are some big names coming through though (Amazon, Angry Birds, PopCap etc..), so there may be something. I think a lot of devs, including myself, are getting some apps out there for now, hoping that Mango really delivers.
iPhone certainly has a market, but with a Mac required to develop for it, it seems a bit too much of a barrier for me. Android is okay to develop for, and I loved the openness of pretty much being able to do what you wanted. However, despite the market share of Android, there's still not much evidence that developers can make any real money either. There are too many free apps which do the same as paid apps and when users are conditioned to believe everything should be free on your platform, that's not great for devs. I thought it was interesting that Angry Birds went for a free, ad-based model rather than a paid model considering they had already had a following. Any new IPs trying to do something similar probably won't have the same large following, thus making the ad revenue pretty low.

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I'm still waiting for hard numbers of wp7 device sales. id imagine developers would flock to it -if- there was proof it was a viable 3rd place in handset sales. obviousely there is money in developing ios, some in android, but without numbers, are devs supposed to believe marketers ?
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Isn't the Windows Marketplace growing at an unprecedented rate? Fact or fiction? So why do poor sales matter to you? It seems like it is only for bragging rights since Windows Phone has had no shortage of app development or software updates.
I understand all the good reasons why strong sales are desireous. But at this point in time it does not matter to you if your neighbour did not buy a Windows Phone. The phone is still progressing at a positive rate.

Currently 24,447 apps in the window phone marketplace. That's huge considering it's only been out since October/November of last year? We could see 50,000 apps by the end of this year. With Mango's 1500 new API's and better live tile support/multi-tasking I see apps only becoming better and better.

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If you go into a grocery store and they try to get you to buy a nice dole banana or some generic rotten trash, is that being bias? No that's reccommending the correct item. Same premise.
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I have seen some pretty stupid things posted in this forum, but this has to be the dumbest. You're basically saying that Android is the "nice Dole banana" and WP is the "trash," and therefore, all sales reps are just doing their job by offering Android only and pushing you away from WP? Some of you people man... If you don't like the platform, just shut up... Touching on the actual topic, not only have I seen good reviews, but extensive ones, which I prefer much more... Whether the opinion is good or bad, I appreciate them taking a great deal of time outlining the platform...

What is with all this negative press about WP7??

If you don't believe me I'll link the articles (some guy on this site said I was lying), so much news about WP7 being dead in the water, bad sales and a bunch of other stuff, all this is going to do is push people away. I really hope the whole Nokia/MS Ad blitz works...

solidkevin said:
If you don't believe me I'll link the articles (some guy on this site said I was lying), so much news about WP7 being dead in the water, bad sales and a bunch of other stuff, all this is going to do is push people away. I really hope the whole Nokia/MS Ad blitz works...
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ok, provide the links.

Welcome to the Internet, home of negativity.

Its from people who have never touched a wp.
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karan1203 said:
Its from people who have never touched a wp.
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Or Android or iPhone fanboys/trolls

It's no doubt true. I've converted dozens of people even off of iPhones just by showing them my Focus and its awesome UI

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It's no doubt true. I've converted dozens of people even off of iPhones just by showing them my Focus and its awesome UI
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I've converted (or changed the mind of people about to get a phone) about 6-7 to WP7...

Its easy to get people to convert if you are persuasive...most of my friends use android now.
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The apps developed for wp7 were created in only few months plus the lack of lots of features that is missing. All these signs indicate the momentum gained for Windows phone.
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Yes due mostly to all the i-Naives out there... Pretty sad. What's also puzzling is why would a "standard user" choose android over wp7.5????
Key word, standard user. I 'could' see them choosing over wp7, but not 7.5. Would someone explain that???
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mikroland said:
Yes due mostly to all the i-Naives out there... Pretty sad. What's also puzzling is why would a "standard user" choose android over wp7.5????
Key word, standard user. I 'could' see them choosing over wp7, but not 7.5. Would someone explain that???
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Simple answer, they don't know any better. Getting advice from sales people who don't know what they're talking about. Plus, there's quite a few who don't even know about WP7.

its due to Android and iOS having their fanbase already established, the bad rep "windows mobile" left which leaves the impression that wp7 is like wndows mobile 7 (they should have called it something more similar to xbox or zune imo) lacking features at launch and so on. personally, after installing Mango, im convinced that WP7 is mature enough to be my full time OS. just love the ui design, smoothness, and overall integration with all things microsoft and social networks
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people in press always loved/love apple. they are the ones in most companies that use macs, while the rest of the companies departements are pc only. they obviously love their iphones, too (and it makes sence, if you know and work with apple products only).
they are the kind of people that still drool if someone makes a bluescreen joke, or a virus joke. they, btw, often still think bill gates is in charge of microsoft.
so it all makes sense. i continue to do my part for wp7. so far, quite some converts happened. and without all-to-active propaganda. just gave it into the hands of some people, answered the few questions they might have had, and let them decide.

davepermen said:
people in press always loved/love apple. they are the ones in most companies that use macs, while the rest of the companies departements are pc only. they obviously love their iphones, too (and it makes sence, if you know and work with apple products only).
they are the kind of people that still drool if someone makes a bluescreen joke, or a virus joke. they, btw, often still think bill gates is in charge of microsoft.
so it all makes sense. i continue to do my part for wp7. so far, quite some converts happened. and without all-to-active propaganda. just gave it into the hands of some people, answered the few questions they might have had, and let them decide.
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Not only iphone though, dosnt android have like the biggest share or something? Theres TONS of androids out there...
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No mention of WP7, but lack of apps not a weak point

It has been another extraordinary year for technology products, with companies trying to gain the upper hand in an evolving market.
Smartphones, e-readers, apps and tablets have all been vying for our attention.
Rory Cellan-Jones reviews the gadgets that made waves in 2011, with bloggers Stuart Miles of Pocket-lint and Kat Hannaford of Gizmodo UK, at London's Olympic Park.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16309042
She said, she only uses about 3 apps on any single day. Windows has nearly 75,000 now! - Just a thought.
Please don't flame this!

But the speed at which new apps are being published.. marketplace is sure going the good way

drupad2drupad said:
It has been another extraordinary year for technology products, with companies trying to gain the upper hand in an evolving market.
Smartphones, e-readers, apps and tablets have all been vying for our attention.
Rory Cellan-Jones reviews the gadgets that made waves in 2011, with bloggers Stuart Miles of Pocket-lint and Kat Hannaford of Gizmodo UK, at London's Olympic Park.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16309042
She said, she only uses about 3 apps on any single day. Windows has nearly 75,000 now! - Just a thought.
Please don't flame this!
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i'm not flaming... your article has no mention of wp7 at all (as you stated), and that puts wp7's presence in perspective for calendar year 2011. A quick search of the comments also showed no references to "wp7" for me. Maybe the fans haven't woken up yet for commenting, or don't care about the 'year in review' or overview, if you will.
A more focused user-based collective opinion about wp7's success or lack of it via adoption numbers is on slashdot, this morning:
http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/11...el-on-why-windows-phone-still-hasnt-taken-off
there are the usual trolls and fans, but the consensus is what we've all seen debated here on xda before. give the comments a read after the 'article' and you may get some more insight as to why there was no mention of wp7 in your linked article.
happy early new year !

To be fair, he said "no mention of WP7".

ohgood said:
i'm not flaming... your article has no mention of wp7 at all (as you stated), and that puts wp7's presence in perspective for calendar year 2011. A quick search of the comments also showed no references to "wp7" for me. Maybe the fans haven't woken up yet for commenting, or don't care about the 'year in review' or overview, if you will.
A more focused user-based collective opinion about wp7's success or lack of it via adoption numbers is on slashdot, this morning:
http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/11...el-on-why-windows-phone-still-hasnt-taken-off
there are the usual trolls and fans, but the consensus is what we've all seen debated here on xda before. give the comments a read after the 'article' and you may get some more insight as to why there was no mention of wp7 in your linked article.
happy early new year !
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vetvito said:
To be fair, he said "no mention of WP7".
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LOL why did I just know you guys will comment
Yeah, the only reason to share the video was to show that even though they accept the fact or millions of apps on different platforms, they do acknowledge like most of us that daily we only need 3 apps or so. That is what I mentioned somewhere else in the forum saying - after I moved from android, I thought with only a few thousand apps I will never find apps I used on android, but to my surprise I found everything apart from SMSbackup+ and Titanium back up. But turns out we dont have back up facility yet and hence no apps of that kind. Again my 'need' of app on day to day basis was very little so I might have found the transition easier.

amritpal2489 said:
But the speed at which new apps are being published.. marketplace is sure going the good way
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this i feel is also their downfall, most apps are crap. there is like 25 kama sutra apps, but only 2 google talk apps...
how many HD babe apps does one market place need anyhow?

The quality of apps is an issue though. My nephews got an ipod touchand frankly i was shocked how lame the games on windows phone were compared to ios ones. I think developers need to concentrate on making quality apps.

drupad2drupad said:
Windows has nearly 75,000 now! - Just a thought.
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You keep saying this, but it is simply not true. WP7 just passed the 45000 app mark a couple of weeks ago. And, depending on which site you query, the current total is somewhere between 47000 and 50000.

RoboDad said:
You keep saying this, but it is simply not true. WP7 just passed the 45000 app mark a couple of weeks ago. And, depending on which site you query, the current total is somewhere between 47000 and 50000.
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Lol sorry I keep doing that I know! I think it follows some tweet prediction when it hit 40,000 in November saying with Lumia's launch around end of Dec-early weeks of Jan it will steep to 75,000 (speculation, I know!). But again I think pocketnow tweeted recently of it crossing 50,000 mark this month? Not sure :s

i would rather have 500 QUALITY apps over the 50,000 HD Babes and kama sutra apps that the marketplace now has.
devs are waay too interested in making a quick buck with tons of low quality simpleton apps that took them 1 day to develop that they throw on the market for 99cents. when they could spend some time on making 1 really good app and selling it for $4.99 and they would probably make a lot more money. but instead, they are just looking for a quick buck.
huge problem with windows marketplace. they need to do some app house cleaning instead of just inviting anyone with $99 to put whatever app they want on the market. sure it drives up app numbers, but seriously attracts crappy apps.
look how the itunes app store was. you had to apply for an sdk license, only so many were given out and apps had to be approved. they still had a huge increase in app numbers, but the apps were a lot better quality.

I think it's not a number of apps which is the problem
It's the lack of important ones.
Skype, Opera, Google.... To name just a few.

I'm not sure I understand what makes these big names make apps for certain platforms? Is it solely market shares?

drupad2drupad said:
I'm not sure I understand what makes these big names make apps for certain platforms? Is it solely market shares?
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And quality.

doministry said:
And quality.
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quality of what?

drupad2drupad said:
quality of what?
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I think I misunderstood your previous answer.
I think those big names make apps for the platforms which they perceive as successful and profit making plus they receive all the needed dev tools.
And reach agreements..

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look how the itunes app store was. you had to apply for an sdk license, only so many were given out and apps had to be approved. they still had a huge increase in app numbers, but the apps were a lot better quality.
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JFYI, WP's developers need to pay an annual fees of 99 USD to be able to submit apps to marketplace, and MS DID make some checking before the apps approved.
And I believe that either Android market or iOS appstore had the same problems with thousands (or maybe millions) of crapwares and only hundred (to thousands) of quality apps. I think you should see the whole picture by refering the ratio of good apps vs bad/crapwares then you might be able to figure out that WP is actually doing quite OK for now.
And maybe my statement is wrong because I'm not some kind of app whore (no offense means).
Cheers.

Anyone seen NBA game time? This is really pushing it, and very frustrating... :/

Lack of apps is a huge weakpoint for many people. I don't care what people say about "quality" being the issue. Most people don't even KNOW what quality even means and they use their slow Facebook and Twitter apps anyway. It's simply the lack of choices involved. If there was simply an app for nearly everything people use, people would happily switch, regardless of app quality. Once people start owning the devices and complain about quality, THEN you'll see the quality go up.
The biggest issues keeping WP down are the lack of marketing here in the US, the lack of quality handsets, and the lack of API's available to developers, who would happily make apps for a platform like Windows.

MrGaius said:
Lack of apps is a huge weakpoint for many people. I don't care what people say about "quality" being the issue. Most people don't even KNOW what quality even means and they use their slow Facebook and Twitter apps anyway. It's simply the lack of choices involved. If there was simply an app for nearly everything people use, people would happily switch, regardless of app quality. Once people start owning the devices and complain about quality, THEN you'll see the quality go up.
The biggest issues keeping WP down are the lack of marketing here in the US, the lack of quality handsets, and the lack of API's available to developers, who would happily make apps for a platform like Windows.
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There is such a discrepency with opinions about wp7. One side says they don't need apps, because wp7 has them all at the core. The other side says apps are needed and will come if/when the platform comes mainstream... but its often the same people saying both.
I've seen wp7 commercials on tv, the internet, stores, billboards, even flashing jumbotron-like LED signs on the way home from work. What I haven't seen is interest from folks. The occasional person using a wp7/zune device in the wild is so rare.

In my opinion WP7 doesn't only need apps. It sure does, but there's way more than that. Since it's a Microsoft product, WP7 should tie in deeper Windows 7, XBox, Skydrive and such. WP7 has to have more "uniqueness" than the UI.