I found an interesting place that had developed an api for developers to use that allows them to access their voice UI system. I think this would be great if someone implemented it into an app of some sort, and with the increasing access for developers into the phone, I think a siri like app for wp7 could be very possible.
Here is the site: http://www.zypr.net/
uncled1023 said:
I think a siri like app for wp7 could be very possible. http://www.zypr.net/
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Isn't Siri just a rip off of what Windows Phone 7 already does? I can do everything with my windows phone that the Siri commercials show and have been able to for some time.
Laquox said:
Isn't Siri just a rip off of what Windows Phone 7 already does? I can do everything with my windows phone that the Siri commercials show and have been able to for some time.
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Oh? So what happens when you say "When is my next appointment?"
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Oh? So what happens when you say "When is my next appointment?"
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That is coming. I don't use appointments so my point still stands. I can ask weather, tell it to read text messages, etc which is what the commercials show.
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That is coming. I don't use appointments so my point still stands. I can ask weather, tell it to read text messages, etc which is what the commercials show.
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How do you ask the weather?
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How do you ask the weather?
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Hold Windows button "Weather Whatever City"
Also usable is "Open Weather Channel" but if you going for Siri like usage just say "Weather Whatever City" add the state if it's not a well known city. =D
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Hold Windows button "Weather Whatever City"
Also usable is "Open Weather Channel" but if you going for Siri like usage just say "Weather Whatever City" add the state if it's not a well known city. =D
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not working in spanish
All that does on my phone is a search, just like any other unrecognized phrase.
GoodDayToDie said:
All that does on my phone is a search, just like any other unrecognized phrase.
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Laquox is obviously trolling or just severely misinformed.
Siri is just voice recognition hooking into the wolframalpha.com database. So it is just a bigger database than what MS has. That can change and likely will.
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Laquox is obviously trolling or just severely misinformed.
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If you set your browser and search region & language to US or UK English, you will see the top result as the weather of the city you're asking.
The result is pulled from MSN weather
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Laquox is obviously trolling or just severely misinformed.
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Not trolling just stating that most of what they show Siri doing you can already do on a Windows Phone (in the US at least). Now in the future we will probably get features like appointments, more language support, etc
My main point is most of what they show off as "new and innovative" with Siri has been in windows phone 7 for a while. They just polished it. Give it time and the same features will be a part of Windows Phone 7 (in most languages)
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Isn't Siri just a rip off of what Windows Phone 7 already does? I can do everything with my windows phone that the Siri commercials show and have been able to for some time.
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Are you sure? I keep hearing this on here and other WP7 sites, so I decided to check against the Siri Commerical:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNsrl86inpo
Here's a list of things that Siri does in the video, and next to it I check whether WP7 Voice Commands can do it:
Read out and reply to an SMS message - YES
Play a music playlist - NO
Find local traffic report - NO
"Text my wife I'm gonna be 30 minutes late" - YES (though you have to use her specific name and dictate full SMS)
Weather report for SF and Napa Valley - YES (though she uses more natural language and WP7 you have to do two searches via Bing)
Weight conversion - NO
Set timer - NO
Reply to SMS - YES
So out of the 8 functions shown on the commercial, WP7 can do 4, though 2 of them aren't as easy / functional.
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My main point is most of what they show off as "new and innovative" with Siri has been in windows phone 7 for a while. They just polished it. Give it time and the same features will be a part of Windows Phone 7 (in most languages)
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Lol, this is another funny fanboy thing I always hear; that Apple just take features from other phones, and "add polish" then try and sell them as innovative. It misses the entire point; PEOPLE BUY IPHONES AND IPADS BECAUSE OF THIS "POLISH". Mp3 players were around before the ipod, ditto touch-screen smartphones, ditto tablets, and now ditto voice commands. The polish (i.e. making it work well and easy to use) is what makes all the difference, and is exactly why Apple products sell so well.
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If you set your browser and search region & language to US or UK English, you will see the top result as the weather of the city you're asking.
The result is pulled from MSN weather
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I know how it works on WP7. After you say "weather blahblah" it responds with "searching weather blah blah" then it shows data in Bing. Now by the time my Windows Phone is repeating back to me what I said, you have this:
So let's not be delusional and think that our current implementation of voice commands is anywhere near what Siri offers. You can say ANYTHING you want to Siri and it will instantly read aloud a logical response in the same fashion a person would. It doesn't just bring up search results on a page, it's a conversation with your phone. I don't know about you but I have NOTHING of that sort on my two Windows Phones. If anyone needs a better understand of what Siri actually is, see here:
I'm afraid I have to agree with Aphasaic2002. Tellme can do half of what Siri has been shown to do. Just tried to go through that list & I've also checked Tellme's help. Siri also do text-to-speech for the result, which is the "cool" part. Tellme just display the result but doesn't stroke your ego. ;-)
However, it seems that Tellme has gotten better at foreign accent. I'm a Chinese living in Singapore & there're plenty of stuff that Bing don't do here. Point is, Tellme can catch my dictation 60% of the time now, compared to a year ago. So if someone took up that job offer to enhance Tellme, we can expect more from Tellme in the future.
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I don't know about you but I have NOTHING of that sort on my two Windows Phones.
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Yes, Windows Phone does NOT do that, but I have never messed with Siri to that degree. I still say give it time and we will see the same functionality in windows phone. You have to remember Windows Phone 7 is still very much in the catch up phase of its life cycle. The features I always see demoed though were indeed on windows phone first (read text messages, text people via voice commands, check weather, etc)
I agree to a previous poster as well that is why Apple products do sell is because of that polish and shine. Personally, I think Apple is like the windows of 1985-1995 yes they are stealing the ideas of others, but they are creating them in a way that the average person can use, love, and let's not forget MARKETING! They are doing an awesome job at this, but to stay on topic Windows Phone 7 is still new and brought these innovative features to the table. So just give it time.
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Yes, Windows Phone does NOT do that, but I have never messed with Siri to that degree. I still say give it time and we will see the same functionality in windows phone. You have to remember Windows Phone 7 is still very much in the catch up phase of its life cycle. The features I always see demoed though were indeed on windows phone first (read text messages, text people via voice commands, check weather, etc)
I agree to a previous poster as well that is why Apple products do sell is because of that polish and shine. Personally, I think Apple is like the windows of 1985-1995 yes they are stealing the ideas of others, but they are creating them in a way that the average person can use, love, and let's not forget MARKETING! They are doing an awesome job at this, but to stay on topic Windows Phone 7 is still new and brought these innovative features to the table. So just give it time.
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I agree that windows phone will most likely bring their voice support up to par with siri, but im also suggesting that with these API's, we can have that functionality right now.
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I know how it works on WP7. After you say "weather blahblah" it responds with "searching weather blah blah" then it shows data in Bing. Now by the time my Windows Phone is repeating back to me what I said, you have this:
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So let's not be delusional and think that our current implementation of voice commands is anywhere near what Siri offers. You can say ANYTHING you want to Siri and it will instantly read aloud a logical response in the same fashion a person would. It doesn't just bring up search results on a page, it's a conversation with your phone. I don't know about you but I have NOTHING of that sort on my two Windows Phones. If anyone needs a better understand of what Siri actually is, see here:
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lolz, dude, I think you're overreacted. My post is only to clarify that weather search can be done in Bing search by using Voice Command, but NEVER saying that Siri is sux or Siri is a copy from MS TellMe.
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Are you sure? I keep hearing this on here and other WP7 sites, so I decided to check against the Siri Commerical:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNsrl86inpo
Here's a list of things that Siri does in the video, and next to it I check whether WP7 Voice Commands can do it:
Read out and reply to an SMS message - YES
Play a music playlist - NO
Find local traffic report - NO
"Text my wife I'm gonna be 30 minutes late" - YES (though you have to use her specific name and dictate full SMS)
Weather report for SF and Napa Valley - YES (though she uses more natural language and WP7 you have to do two searches via Bing)
Weight conversion - NO
Set timer - NO
Reply to SMS - YES
So out of the 8 functions shown on the commercial, WP7 can do 4, though 2 of them aren't as easy / functional.
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Perhaps you should also make a compare list with WM 6.5 Voice Command with Siri, then you will see both works similar but with Siri it is more natural language approach. TellMe IMO is only a half-baked function of Voice Command. Would like MS to implement TellMe with more functions...
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Lol, this is another funny fanboy thing I always hear; that Apple just take features from other phones, and "add polish" then try and sell them as innovative. It misses the entire point; PEOPLE BUY IPHONES AND IPADS BECAUSE OF THIS "POLISH". Mp3 players were around before the ipod, ditto touch-screen smartphones, ditto tablets, and now ditto voice commands. The polish (i.e. making it work well and easy to use) is what makes all the difference, and is exactly why Apple products sell so well.
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Agreed with you. The "Polish" and Marketing that Apple Inc have is somehow superb than their actual products. (sorry to make that statement because I always think that Apple's products are damn overpricing)
I've been a long time user of Windows Mobile (up to 6.5) until I changed to Windows Phone 7. I have also been using Windows Voice Command in Windows Mobile and was wondering why all the available functions were not ported to WP7. In WVC you can actually say an artist name and the media player will start playing songs in your phone from that artist. You can also ask the time which will be spoken back to you. I guess it takes some additional programming to add the same features to WP7.
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I'm afraid I have to agree with Aphasaic2002. Tellme can do half of what Siri has been shown to do. Just tried to go through that list & I've also checked Tellme's help. Siri also do text-to-speech for the result, which is the "cool" part. Tellme just display the result but doesn't stroke your ego. ;-)
However, it seems that Tellme has gotten better at foreign accent. I'm a Chinese living in Singapore & there're plenty of stuff that Bing don't do here. Point is, Tellme can catch my dictation 60% of the time now, compared to a year ago. So if someone took up that job offer to enhance Tellme, we can expect more from Tellme in the future.
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i'm a chinese singaporean too, and guess what? i can ask my phone to text/call my friends too. thing is, it's able to capture and very accurately (90%) pull up the correct contact even when the subject's name is in hanyu pinyin (for you european folks, it's like our chinese names, but spelt out using the english alphabet).that's pretty amazing imo
at my recent university graduation, the organisers were using ms's text to speech, and they also accurately dictated out asian names, regardless of whether it's chinese, vietnamese, indonesian or malay names.
ms has the core of the voice command there already, which was already present in wm. they just need to polish it up, and hire apple's marketing team
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Just to repeat myself about "tombstoning" and how it can represent multitasking as most people think of it, this article gives you an idea:
http://www.clr-namespace.com/post/Windows-Phone-7-Multitasking.aspx
Oh wow... so we can have (inaccurate) stopwatches "running" in the background on WP7? Great!
So, when I build a satellite navigation app, I set up a tombstone when the application is closed and when it's reactivated, I can calculate where the user is, because I knew where he was and how fast he was driving when he closed the app?
Awesome!
(oh and of course I don't take any responsibility for car accidents caused by my app - blame Microsoft or the idiots who said multitasking isn't needed when you got tombstones!)
You know, you would just use GPS for that
Yeah because usually it takes 0.000001 seconds to get a GPS fix!
Awesome!
Wait..... but how is my app supposed to give directions when it's closed? Hm, maybe not so awesome after all...
Satellite navigation is one of the most important things a smartphone must do and it sucks with WP7.
And have you heard that most of the mobile web traffic is porn, Pandora and Youtube?
WP7 does none of those three things! No Youtube, no Pandora, no porn... (don't know why people want porn on their phones, but I understand the Youtube part).
Seriously, how many moronic defenses can you fanboys come up with? This OS will be an even bigger failure than Kin if Microsoft doesn't change directions fast!
How are your application supposed to give directions if you're not using it?
I don't have a device to test with but I doubt it takes long for an app to get a fix. The OS probably keeps the GPS somewhat hot. Remember, Bing uses it when you search so they don't want it taking forever either.
And Bing has Satnav. Yea, I'm sure some will want a 3rd party solution but for most people, the FREE included nav will be just fine.
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Yeah because usually it takes 0.000001 seconds to get a GPS fix!
Awesome!
Wait..... but how is my app supposed to give directions when it's closed? Hm, maybe not so awesome after all...
Satellite navigation is one of the most important things a smartphone must do and it sucks with WP7.
And have you heard that most of the mobile web traffic is porn, Pandora and Youtube?
WP7 does none of those three things! No Youtube, no Pandora, no porn... (don't know why people want porn on their phones, but I understand the Youtube part).
Seriously, how many moronic defenses can you fanboys come up with? This OS will be an even bigger failure than Kin if Microsoft doesn't change directions fast!
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Well Flash is coming to the phone just after launch so that will solve your Youtube/Porn issue.
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How are your application supposed to give directions if you're not using it?
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It allows you to continue using your turn-by-turn GPS while conducting a phone call
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How are your application supposed to give directions if you're not using it?
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By giving voice guidance in background, for example.
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I don't have a device to test with but I doubt it takes long for an app to get a fix. The OS probably keeps the GPS somewhat hot. Remember, Bing uses it when you search so they don't want it taking forever either.
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When you search you don't need GPS, cell tower location is sufficient. Not so for driving. That cell tower location data helps to get the initial fix faster in modern devices, but still it's not instantaneous, which is a problem when you get an incoming phone call while using satnav in areas you don't know well. Otherwise, of course the OS doesn't (and shouldn't) keep GPS on. iOS 4 will keep it on while you're running satnav apps. WP7 won't.
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And Bing has Satnav. Yea, I'm sure some will want a 3rd party solution but for most people, the FREE included nav will be just fine.
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Well, that will depend on where you live and where you travel. Bing Maps has horrible coverage worldwide. Apart from that, online satnav apps are an absolute taboo while roaming, you'll end up with thousands of dollars in your bill.
I think that incoming call doesn't suspend your app, the app will be allowed to keep working on foreground.
Also, GPS fix (cold) takes about 20s on my TP2, warm is instant . (Depends on if I have downloaded QuickGPS data though, but that's why I have data plan for.)
Funny how things change. When Apple did this it was the end of the world. Microsoft does it, its great, it's a new direction. Funny
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Funny how things change. When Apple did this it was the end of the world. Microsoft does it, its great, it's a new direction. Funny
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when I had a iphone when I switched apps they didnt pause I had to start over when I returned to it, on wp7 it pauses it so in most cases its the best way to do it..it helps save battery while still being able to what you need to do. very few apps need to run in the backgroud besides GPS & streaming apps, once MS gives access to those apps that need to run in the background then yes it will be a great new direction. for now i dont mind it, i dont use Pandora & even on my tp2 when i use GPS i keep it on screen so i can do without it until they add it
Yeah pretty much like IOS4...
My problem with the iPhone's lack of multitasking wasn't so much with background running as with the fact that there's no easy way to switch between applications (namely, the incoming call while using satnav scenario, which is a major PITA in iPhone's case). I just need to minimize the dialer and keep using navigation. If that's handled (and it is in WP7's case) then the only issue is getting the fix again. Quite frankly, I find the recent iOS approach optimal for most cases, apart from the fact that it only has one button and an ultimately crappy task switcher. WP7 will allow me to go back to satnav with one tap of the Back button, so that'll work.
For other, more rare cases than those covered in iOS 4, I would really struggle to find real-life scenarios where a background process would really need to consume CPU cycles all the time (i.e. actually run). WM has a set of APIs called SNAPI, where background processes simply "register" for certain events and work only to process them. That can be done so that it won't really hurt either battery life or performance.
For the most rare cases where programs actually do need to run in background - well, I see lots of reasons why those can be really restricted, but, like with native APIs, MS could actually make exceptions in certain cases without allowing them by default - at least I would certainly agree with such a policy.
Maybe all this will be done with time, they never said multitasking won't be implemented, they'll just need to think about how to approach it better.
I personally think that lack of multitasking may be a problem, but it's actually the least of my worries with this OS. Much more relevant and serious issues are lack of c&p and lack of ways to register applications as system-wide filetype handlers. These are real bummers (apart from miserable language support and marketplace coverage of course).
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Funny how things change. When Apple did this it was the end of the world. Microsoft does it, its great, it's a new direction. Funny
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Except iOS didn't have a "pause" API from vanilla. They introduced something like tombstoning in iOS 4.
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Except iOS didn't have a "pause" API from vanilla. They introduced something like tombstoning in iOS 4.
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They did, since the OS 2 release in 2008
In WP7 there's an Application_Deactivated event fired when the user is leaving the app, in the iPhone pre-iOS4 the event function was called applicationWillTermimate but the purpose was exactly the same : allowing the developper to save data before the app shutdown. Some apps were implementing it before iOS4.
In iOS4, the OS save the application state when you leave it (pretty much like Windows hibernation), whereas in WP7, the developper has to do some work to support tombstoning (and i'm not sure all of them developpers will)
I just hope that, when they support background running services API, the task manager won't be as lame as Apple one, showing programs that aren't even running...
My 2 cents
@kooled: Ah, my iPhone knowlegde is flawed then. Thanks for the clarification.
I think we can expect to see a background-service API, once they figured out how to design one that prevents from the phone lagging out entirely, like all Android phones does these days.
Android have taken over Windows role as the OS that requires constant restarts
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Android have taken over Windows role as the OS that requires constant restarts
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That is really funny - it looks like you really believe these fantazies.
It's a really stable OS.
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And have you heard that most of the mobile web traffic is porn, Pandora and Youtube?
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If you need porn on your mobile device I suggest you better get a girlfriend
I think it's only US people who care about Pandora since it's not offered over here in Europe. Hey and we are all still alive over here even without it
Anyways: A Pandora app IS being developed, they were called out as a partner (see http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/15/microsoft-announces-windows-phone-7-series-dev-partners-sling/ ).
I think they might be able to integrate into the Zune hub and use the zune player API too.
The difference between the 2007 iphone and 2010 wp7 not having c&p and multitasking, is that when asked Apple's response was that you didn't need it, and Microsoft's response is that it's done not yet.
LOL!!! How embarassing for Microsoft. There is a bug on WP7 with some carriers where if you press search, you get Yahoo, not Bing
I had to laugh!!
http://social.answers.microsoft.com...d9b-5650-4e58-bef4-3b27972a635c?prof=required
It's just O2 in the UK I beleive. I raised this last week when asking about customisations that carriers may have made, and appears to be intentional by O2. Though I get the impression Microsoft where not aware and may not be happy.
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LOL!!! How embarassing for Microsoft. There is a bug on WP7 with some carriers where if you press search, you get Yahoo, not Bing
I had to laugh!!
http://social.answers.microsoft.com...d9b-5650-4e58-bef4-3b27972a635c?prof=required
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It's the carrier, look at the Samsung Galaxy S on US Verizon - Fascinate - an Android phone, running Google services, yet you press search and Bing! you got.
Yeah, we all know what a crap carriers could load if it's on them. However that was one of the promises for Windows Phone 7 - no more bloatware. Now what are we seeing - the same s#it. For me pressing the search and bringing Yahoo, 360 (Orange users knows what I mean) or whatever is utterly annoying, especially there is not a way for changing that.
It has always been known (since the first leaked documents on WP7) that the carriers and the OEMs can, indeed, change some aspects of the phone.
However, they are VERY limited in what they're allowed to do. I didn't think they could change the search button, but I did know that they could change the default search provider within IE.
Casey
I'd love to change it to google... Bing just doesn't give me what i'm looking for... it's really terrible for me...
Well, I did not read every letter of the "early leaked" docs about WP7, however I did read something like the following on many different sources: Windows Phone 7: Bing only default search option . So now, when it is already known this isn't exactly true, I am quite disappointed. I like the idea about sameness user experience on every device, but I am afraid it is now somehow compromised with substitution of the default search in IE.
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I'd love to change it to google... Bing just doesn't give me what i'm looking for... it's really terrible for me...
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For my job I need to use a search engine at least 5 times a day. I find Bing to be awesome! I find google to be so boring and depressing.
I would be really unhappy though if Yahoo came up every time I clicked search.
I guess your only choice is to click home first before search whenever in the browser
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For my job I need to use a search engine at least 5 times a day. I find Bing to be awesome! I find google to be so boring and depressing.
I would be really unhappy though if Yahoo came up every time I clicked search.
I guess your only choice is to click home first before search whenever in the browser
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I do have a live tile to google front page lol
Most carriers really irritate me. As if it wasn't enough to rip us off, and cap our broadband. They go and install their crap on our phones too!
I'm fairly confident that eventually we'll be able to flash generic WP7 ROMs to carrier-modified devices to avoid these stupid types of things. It'll be a while though, seeing as WP7 is brand new and not necessarily attractive to the usual breed of hardcore 6.1 / 6.5 modders and cooks on xda-developers.
For now, if I ever have to search while I'm in IE I'm first hitting the Start button and then Search.
Really, I hope users can do this themselves with ease, I am not a huge fan of Bing... Although it is a million times better than Yahoo xD.
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Most carriers really irritate me. As if it wasn't enough to rip us off, and cap our broadband. They go and install their crap on our phones too!
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Yeah.
I think carriers need to stop putting their rubbish on OUR phones. It would also be nice if they remove the internet caps too
On the HD2, when in Opera browser, you can type in the URL field opera:config and get access to a lot of the browser settings. Maybe there is something similar for ie on the HD7 to change the search engine????
Also that is not all O2 have changed. They have removed the option to use voice search when using bing. Normally you would hold the windows button down and say "find cash point" for example.
Even the people tab has been changed as when you click on a contact's address, you should be taken direct to the address on bing maps. Alas O2 decided to remove this feature too! That's THREE things thay have changed. Sucks
Boy i can imagine how much fun AT&T is going to have with the search button lol.
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Boy i can imagine how much fun AT&T is going to have with the search button lol.
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AT&T has never been into those modifications, unlike Verizon. Mictosoft has taken care of the usual AT&T annoyances: their crappy preloaded modofied Opera Mini, TeleNav, MobiTV, and other associated bloatwares. WP7 doesn't sideload like droids so they don't have to worry about that. Captivate was actually decent, and they didn't do much to the Pre/Pixi.
I wouldn't expect any surprisrs, TBH.
Bing is a great search enging, though. I had it set as my homepage simce forever. Google even copied their image search UI. Bing Maps is good, as well.
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Microsoft should pull all of their phones from O2 for their Bull***t
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AT&T has never been into those modifications, unlike Verizon. Mictosoft has taken care of the usual AT&T annoyances: their crappy preloaded modofied Opera Mini, TeleNav, MobiTV, and other associated bloatwares. WP7 doesn't sideload like droids so they don't have to worry about that. Captivate was actually decent, and they didn't do much to the Pre/Pixi.
I wouldn't expect any surprisrs, TBH.
Bing is a great search enging, though. I had it set as my homepage simce forever. Google even copied their image search UI. Bing Maps is good, as well.
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Well that's a relief I guess, with all the garbage they loaded on my Samsung Jack win mo 6.5 im looking for a upgrade without all of that crapware.
I had a jack. Crapware on winmo never bothered me because the OS has supported installing applications to sd cards since forever... Like nearly a decade.
Just had to remap a couple buttons on the phone, that's about it.
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martoto said:
Well, I did not read every letter of the "early leaked" docs about WP7, however I did read something like the following on many different sources: Windows Phone 7: Bing only default search option . So now, when it is already known this isn't exactly true, I am quite disappointed. I like the idea about sameness user experience on every device, but I am afraid it is now somehow compromised with substitution of the default search in IE.
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Bing IS the only search option on the o2 HD7. You press search from almost anywhere and you get taken to the bing search app.
What o2 HAVE changed however, is if you press search from WITHIN IE you get Yahoo. This is within the browser only.
You would think Microsoft would create this application as a priority. Jesus, even my blackberry has WINDOWS LIVE!
What the hell!
Yes that was quite puzzling.
I would have thought that it would be on there before it launched.
I'll laugh if AOL sticks an AIM client on the marketplace before Microsoft gets an MSN Messenger client up there. It's boneheaded moves like this that have defined Microsoft lately and it's why they went from almost owning the smartphone market to being in a position where they may never be able to catch up.
Did ya'll look on the marketplace??? There is a live messenger there. The company that made isn't microsoft but they got paid by ms to do the app and it's the official messenger app...
Dont really get the confusion
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Did ya'll look on the marketplace??? There is a live messenger there. The company that made isn't microsoft but they got paid by ms to do the app and it's the official messenger app...
Dont really get the confusion
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TRUST ME IF THAT POS APP WAS REMOTELY PRACTICAL I WOULD HAVE USED IT.
Pretty much the "in and out" phone is just keeping me out from using my phone! Seriously this OS has immense potential but the launch was seriously half-assed, I would have been happier if they had delayed the launch window to early next year.
This is going to give a bad impression to many early adopters, let's not forget the issues with supply.
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TRUST ME IF THAT POS APP WAS REMOTELY PRACTICAL I WOULD HAVE USED IT.
Pretty much the "in and out" phone is just keeping me out from using my phone! Seriously this OS has immense potential but the launch was seriously half-assed, I would have been happier if they had delayed the launch window to early next year.
This is going to give a bad impression to many early adopters, let's not forget the issues with supply.
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I don't know...I've played with the phones now quite a bit and really like the polish and features...yes, there are some glaring features missing but they will be added. I was told at an MS kickoff meeting earlier this week that they are going to have a ton of updates starting in January...they kept saying they are betting the farm on this so we'll see...
I would agree on the marketing front however...I don't understand how they can do such a good job with xbox360 marketing and do such a half assed attempt with the wp7 which is arguably more important to them in the long term.
They must be working on a native WLM. They make one for iPhone and Blackberry. They have produced a version for 3 on Android, which a third party coded.
It plugs into Yahoo Messenger too. Plus WLM now talks to Facebook Chat. They are rolling out that feature as we speak. But only a few people have it right now.
Maybe they will release WLM at CES. I can imagine Ballmer and Zuckerberg make an announcment together. Or at Mobile World Congress at the latest.
Maybe they were waiting for Microsoft Lync, which is apparently coming to Windows Phone in 2011. I just hope that, whatever it is, its a native app and ideally integrated into the OS.
Was just doing some reading about Microsoft Lync, sounds perfect...
Add Contacts and Share Presence and Instant Messages Users can add contacts on Windows Live, AOL, Yahoo!, and Google Talk networks to their contact list. With the Communicator “14” client, users can share presence status information and participate in instant messaging with colleagues and customers who use public IM connections.
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http://lync.microsoft.com/en-us/Product/Technologies/Pages/public-im-connectivity.aspx
you can go to live.com and use the web messenger from the menu-> messenger option
peace
The Zune HD Live Messenger only came out last month and had Facebook chat integrated. They're probably working on it.
What on earth are you talking about??? Messenger was available from day one and was one of the first apps I downloaded! its made by another company though. not microsoft. have a proper look or bing it in market place.
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What on earth are you talking about???
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There's no need to be like that when evidently you haven't read all the posts. We know there's a messenger but it's not an official one and as such it doesn't do the job for the OP and others.
But it wont get more official. I read somewhere that the company that made the current wlm was paid by ms to code the app as an official one.
I'm pretty sure though that it will get updated with more features. The current version certainly lacks some features compared to the ios version.
ps: here is the link to the article
http://www.liveside.net/2010/10/14/whos-building-the-official-messenger-app-for-wp7-not-microsoft/
Microsoft has often asked other developers to make app for them like the facebook one on winmo 6.5 but they would always mark it as an official MS app, so if that company is in charge I'm sure it would be a different version without their name on it.
That aside, I can't see Microsoft developing a WLM app for Zune HD and an awesome one for the iPhone and then not make one for their own platform. Doesn't make any sense.
Pretty sure we will see something soon enough that surpasses the cheesy app that is out now.
Why the hell would MS pay somebody to make the messenger and not provide them with the ability to have it run in the background?
I have read the same articles, and it smells rather off to me.
Personally, i cant wait for a better one. (or the existing one to get out of pre-alpha phase, coz that's how bad it is)
what dont you guys get? the official app is the one on the market. microsoft just paid another company to make it.
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what dont you guys get? the official app is the one on the market. microsoft just paid another company to make it.
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"Messenger by Miyowa"? What don't we get? Well, for starters, how you managed to use it to message anyone. That thing is rubbish, I can't imagine Microsoft let anyone put that thing out in their name and, last I checked which was about 45 seconds ago it was the only IM app in the marketplace.
The app doesn't have to run in the background. Beejive and IM+ for iPhone worked quite well before iPhone supported background operation and it worked via push notification. I think they both support background execution now but why bother when push works so well? That's memory freed up to use for something else.
Finally, a really half-assed solution that works is the SMS / IM interface most carriers provide. Some only do AIM but some cover them all. Do a google search for your carrier. AT&T, for example, uses SMS numbers starting with 265000 to log in and so on. If you're really that hard up for IM it's better than nothing, but just barely.
People are funny in this world.
In theory this OS is a platform for the community to build on.
Too bad the community is a mob with pitchforks.
Who in their right mind will develop anything when the populous will undoubtedly attack their creation?
Microsoft can't fix people. Why does anyone need messenger when all they do is hate on everything new?
I read that news about this third party company and I have a strong feeling that it's false. There is no way, that MS which created official messenger app for every other platform would outsource something so native to an unknown third party company for the windows OS!
I have a feeling that was a fake news spread by that third party company.
Dear Steve Ballmer & Microsoft,
Before I begin my rant, please allow me to say that I have used many many many PDA phones. And WP7 has without a doubt, some of the most GLARING problems I have ever seen in a mobile OS.
My phone history (in no [particular order]:
-T-mobile Pocket PC (the 1st one)
- SE P800, P900, P910I
- Xperia X1
- Many different WM 5.0, 6.0 6.5 phones (maybe 10 or more). If I were to list them all this would take all day. My most recent WM phone before this HD7 was the HTC TyTN II.
- Nokia N93i, N95, N900 (still got it)
- Nokia Communicators 9210 and E90
- Iphone 1st Gen
- Kyocera Palm OS phone
- Probably other stuff I forgot about along the way.
(Btw, all of these phones had address books which worked great)
I am in no way saying that I am some PDA expert, but I think its safe to say I've used alot of PDAs.
Good afternoon. I really hope somebody from Microsoft or Steve himself or some MS dev is reading this.
I recently bought a HTC HD7 and after using it for 1hr my initial impressions were very good....THEN i used it a bit longer and I started to realize something.
Cons:
1. The contact list function is really really bad. You guys replaced the standard address book function with the Facebook contact list. It is horribly bad. It is so bad that it leads me to believe that NONE OF YOU have actually used facebook in your life. If any of you developers were actually familiar with Facebook, you would have realized that most consumers definitely do not want 80% of their Facebook contacts cluttering/polluting their cell phones address book. Also, why am I not able to browse through my Facebook contacts photos? Am I missing something? Why cant I simply just tap the portrait of my facebook friend and look at his profile pictures?
2. The WP7's media playerss seek function needs to work like a STANDARD portable TOUCH SCREEN media player. Why am I not able skip to the part of the video I want to watch by simply sliding my finger along the time bar until I reach my target moment? Why am I forced to press a seek button instead? I thought this was a touch screen phone, not to mention the fact that Pocket PC, Pocket PC 2003, WM 5.0 WM 6.0 WM 6.5 all included this missing function. Do you guys even watch movies on your cell phones? Or are you guys still using Nokia 5200s?
3. Xbox Live is buggy as hell. I download a game through Xbox Live and it says I need to connect my phone to my computer or connect to wifi (It was already both) in order to complete the install. There is no easy way to check the progress of the installation of download unless I try to download another application. Is the ability to check the progress without downloading another app hidden somewhere? If so, why is it hidden?
4. When I try to visit a previous webpage and I press the hardware backwards arrow botton, it kicks me out of IE.
5. The hardware buttons have great sensitivity, but I am constantly pressing them by accident (with my palm), thus closing my active program unintentionally.
And let me tell you, I do not have large hands.
6. I dunno why it doesnt work as a USB drive natively. Perhaps this is some sort of piracy control measure or you are trying to mimic apple.
7. Cant copy and paste. I dunno why this is so hard for you guys. You guys could have some sort of hardware button, that when pushed activates a 2nd function to the screen pressing. Instead of clicking on a link, if the hardware button is pressed, it would allow the user to select the letters and highlight them. Then copy/paste somewhere else.
8. I cannot delete/hide my recently browsed youtube video history. I was looking at videos of girls shaking their butts and afterwards when I went to my zune application, I saw the video thumbnails there! I cant delete or hide them? Where is the privacy?
9. Doesnt support Divx codecs, which it should because this is a phone for a "mobile life style". Why would I want to sit at my computer for hrs waiting for my videos to convert? Why do you guys and apple insist on your own proprietary formats?
Sub-Score: -9
Pros:
1. Works fast, very smooth. Is this a result of the reduced interface .
2. Web browsing is pretty good, except I cant fast forward through youtube videos by sliding my finger on the time bar.
Sub-Score: +2
Total Score: -7
I do not believe this phone is beyond saving. Surely you guys must have noticed some of the things I mentioned. Why you did not remedy these issues before the release? I do not know. If you guys were unaware of the problems I mentioned, well now you know. Please fix these issues soon and FFS, please add a proper address book application and allow me to use my finger/time bar to seek through a video/song/youtube vid.
Currently, I would have to say this phone is nothing more than a portable media player with some phone functions built in. And you guys already screwed up with the media player part.
If I could go back in time (which was only yesterday) I would have bought a HTC Desire HD. But I cant so I can only pray that you guys fix some/most of these issues.
If I am sorely mistaken and some of these functions actually are included and hidden somewhere, why are they not intuitive?
Thanks.....for nothing.....
I always liked the N95 symbian address book that allowed me to create groups for my contacts and I liked all WM previous phone dialers which would cross reference all incoming and outgoing calls with the numbers I was pressing.
Microsoft should atleast make a dialer thats as good as their previous ones, and maybe learn a thing or 2 from Symbian.
Edit: I just read that it was possible to cut down the number of contacts from facebook that appear in your phone, but it still should not be this difficult. I should be able to simple long press the contact and select delete or hide.
Nice One Star thread repeating issues in about 20 other threads
One thing I'd like to agree with the OP about is the Capacitive buttons. They're a good idea in theory (the Vibrant has them as well), but they're practically terrible. They are very prone to hitting by accident.
Lots of OSes can learn from Symbian, but being the Jack of All Trades has not worked for any OS to date. Windows Mobile also supported a ton of stuff and it's marketshare in the US suffered a lot. Symbian has great marketshare overseas because the OS is used in low-end feature phones as well. They aren't strong in the mid-high end smartphone market.
And they would be, if they didn't put such small NANDs in the phones, skimp on the RAM in the phones (it uses a Virtual memory architechture, but the phones still need at least 348 MB RAM, IMO), and have such an embarassing user interface. I really like that it has the most flexible development environment of any smartphone OS, though (similar to [again] Windows Mobile on that front).
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Dear Steve Ballmer & Microsoft,
Before I begin my rant, please allow me to say that I have used many many many PDA phones. And WP7 has without a doubt, some of the most GLARING problems I have ever seen in a mobile OS.
My phone history (in no [particular order]:
-T-mobile Pocket PC (the 1st one)
- SE P800, P900, P910I
- Xperia X1
- Many different WM 5.0, 6.0 6.5 phones (maybe 10 or more). If I were to list them all this would take all day. My most recent WM phone before this HD7 was the HTC TyTN II.
- Nokia N93i, N95, N900 (still got it)
- Nokia Communicators 9210 and E90
- Iphone 1st Gen
- Kyocera Palm OS phone
- Probably other stuff I forgot about along the way.
(Btw, all of these phones had address books which worked great)
I am in no way saying that I am some PDA expert, but I think its safe to say I've used alot of PDAs.
Good afternoon. I really hope somebody from Microsoft or Steve himself or some MS dev is reading this.
I recently bought a HTC HD7 and after using it for 1hr my initial impressions were very good....THEN i used it a bit longer and I started to realize something.
Cons:
1. The contact list function is really really bad. You guys replaced the standard address book function with the Facebook contact list. It is horribly bad. It is so bad that it leads me to believe that NONE OF YOU have actually used facebook in your life. If any of you developers were actually familiar with Facebook, you would have realized that most consumers definitely do not want 80% of their Facebook contacts cluttering/polluting their cell phones address book. Also, why am I not able to browse through my Facebook contacts photos? Am I missing something? Why cant I simply just tap the portrait of my facebook friend and look at his profile pictures?
2. The WP7's media playerss seek function needs to work like a STANDARD portable TOUCH SCREEN media player. Why am I not able skip to the part of the video I want to watch by simply sliding my finger along the time bar until I reach my target moment? Why am I forced to press a seek button instead? I thought this was a touch screen phone, not to mention the fact that Pocket PC, Pocket PC 2003, WM 5.0 WM 6.0 WM 6.5 all included this missing function. Do you guys even watch movies on your cell phones? Or are you guys still using Nokia 5200s?
3. Xbox Live is buggy as hell. I download a game through Xbox Live and it says I need to connect my phone to my computer or connect to wifi (It was already both) in order to complete the install. There is no easy way to check the progress of the installation of download unless I try to download another application. Is the ability to check the progress without downloading another app hidden somewhere? If so, why is it hidden?
4. When I try to visit a previous webpage and I press the hardware backwards arrow botton, it kicks me out of IE.
5. The hardware buttons have great sensitivity, but I am constantly pressing them by accident (with my palm), thus closing my active program unintentionally.
And let me tell you, I do not have large hands.
6. I dunno why it doesnt work as a USB drive natively. Perhaps this is some sort of piracy control measure or you are trying to mimic apple.
7. Cant copy and paste. I dunno why this is so hard for you guys. You guys could have some sort of hardware button, that when pushed activates a 2nd function to the screen pressing. Instead of clicking on a link, if the hardware button is pressed, it would allow the user to select the letters and highlight them. Then copy/paste somewhere else.
8. I cannot delete/hide my recently browsed youtube video history. I was looking at videos of girls shaking their butts and afterwards when I went to my zune application, I saw the video thumbnails there! I cant delete or hide them? Where is the privacy?
9. Doesnt support Divx codecs, which it should because this is a phone for a "mobile life style". Why would I want to sit at my computer for hrs waiting for my videos to convert? Why do you guys and apple insist on your own proprietary formats?
Sub-Score: -9
Pros:
1. Works fast, very smooth. Is this a result of the reduced interface .
2. Web browsing is pretty good, except I cant fast forward through youtube videos by sliding my finger on the time bar.
Sub-Score: +2
Total Score: -7
I do not believe this phone is beyond saving. Surely you guys must have noticed some of the things I mentioned. Why you did not remedy these issues before the release? I do not know. If you guys were unaware of the problems I mentioned, well now you know. Please fix these issues soon and FFS, please add a proper address book application and allow me to use my finger/time bar to seek through a video/song/youtube vid.
Currently, I would have to say this phone is nothing more than a portable media player with some phone functions built in. And you guys already screwed up with the media player part.
If I could go back in time (which was only yesterday) I would have bought a HTC Desire HD. But I cant so I can only pray that you guys fix some/most of these issues.
If I am sorely mistaken and some of these functions actually are included and hidden somewhere, why are they not intuitive?
Thanks.....for nothing.....
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1. There's a separate Facebook app in the marketplace. If you don't want to integrate everyone, get it.
2. Agree on this point.
3. Never happened to me. If you want to see the progress stay on that page. A little bar begins to fill up. So I don't know what you're talking about.
4. Only time that happens to me is when I exit IE and then try to come back in.
5. Sorry, but that's user error.
6. There's already a workaround. You can use it as a mass storage device.
7. Its coming in the update. Why is that so hard to get?
8. Don't browse inappropriate videos? Or play a few more things after to make it replace the history items.
9. Kinda agree, but its not unheard of at all. So why would they do it?
EDIT: Poster above was more succint.
The problem isn't DivX as far as I understand, it's avi. Divx is just an implementation of MPEG-4 Part 2 Advanced Simple Profile, which is supported. And the strange part here is that avi is Microsoft's own proprietary format, while mp4 is Apple's. Strange times.
Scrubbing is needed not only for long videos, I use it all the time for YouTube and music (especially podcasts, many of which aren't properly separated into chapters).
WOW, only the 20th "I hate WP7" thread for today so far? Hmmm, the trolls are slacking.
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1. There's a separate Facebook app in the marketplace. If you don't want to integrate everyone, get it.
2. Agree on this point.
3. Never happened to me. If you want to see the progress stay on that page. A little bar begins to fill up. So I don't know what you're talking about.
4. Only time that happens to me is when I exit IE and then try to come back in.
5. Sorry, but that's user error.
6. There's already a workaround. You can use it as a mass storage device.
7. Its coming in the update. Why is that so hard to get?
8. Don't browse inappropriate videos? Or play a few more things after to make it replace the history items.
9. Kinda agree, but its not unheard of at all. So why would they do it?
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He got the phone. It has many limitations he doesn't like.
So what's your problem?
"Coming in the update" means nothing. It may be month or 5 months.
Nobody buys a device to wait for update, well, maybe only tech geeks, but that's not the phone for them.
doministry said:
He got the phone. It has many limitations he doesn't like.
So what's your problem?
"Coming in the update" means nothing. It may be month or 5 months.
Nobody buys a device to wait for update, well, maybe only tech geeks, but that's not the phone for them.
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And he, like everyone else who bought one, should've known the deficiencies the devices carry atm. So, what's your problem?
You don't like the features a phone has or is lacking, you don't buy it. Simple, no?
And the update is expected in January.
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WOW, only the 20th "I hate WP7" thread for today so far? Hmmm, the trolls are slacking.
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No, no, I'm watching ....
Blazerfan722 said:
Dear Steve Ballmer & Microsoft,
1. The contact list function is really really bad. You guys replaced the standard address book function with the Facebook contact list. It is horribly bad. It is so bad that it leads me to believe that NONE OF YOU have actually used facebook in your life. If any of you developers were actually familiar with Facebook, you would have realized that most consumers definitely do not want 80% of their Facebook contacts cluttering/polluting their cell phones address book. Also, why am I not able to browse through my Facebook contacts photos? Am I missing something? Why cant I simply just tap the portrait of my facebook friend and look at his profile pictures?
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You do know that you can disable Facebook friends as contacts in the settings, don't you?
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You do know that you can disable Facebook friends as contacts in the settings, don't you?
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People these days expect the phone to pop up push messages from the microsoft servers for days after they buy it detailing every single detail of the device.
Reading, Reading Comprehension, Critical Thinking... These sorts of things are out the window these days.
N8ter said:
People these days expect the phone to pop up push messages from the microsoft servers for days after they buy it detailing every single detail of the device.
Reading, Reading Comprehension, Critical Thinking... These sorts of things are out the window these days.
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Bet your house on that. Our society is getting dumber, lazier and more malleable by the minute. Though I digress...
LOL... This guy's not a troll!
He's genuinely disappointed with his purchase and has every right to complain about it. If you WP7 sympathisers were honest with yourselves, you would recognise that there are currently plenty of problems with this platform, and disaffected users have every right to complain.
There's no point pretending the problems don't exist.. it's obvious they, perhaps you only ever read Microsoft blogs and listen to Channel 9. If you want a true indication about how many users are feeling, just read the Microsoft questions and answers forum.
Guys,
This is still a new OS, it's been out for ONE month, many of these things gonna be replaced or added with updates. Just wait and see. The most important thing now is that's a fast and simple OS. Just remember what ****ty phone iPhone was, look what it became now... Time does miracles!
Alright guys, I'm leaving this open thread to know the answer, if it occurs.
And also for others to vent, but we will maintain an acceptable level before they start fighting funboys because of companies.
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LOL... This guy's not a troll!
He's genuinely disappointed with his purchase and has every right to complain about it. If you WP7 sympathisers were honest with yourselves, you would recognise that there are currently plenty of problems with this platform, and disaffected users have every right to complain.
There's no point pretending the problems don't exist.. it's obvious they, perhaps you only ever read Microsoft blogs and listen to Channel 9. If you want a true indication about how many users are feeling, just read the Microsoft questions and answers forum.
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Agreed,
Unfortunately I have the feeling that most people here now refuse to see the obvious problems with this platform (no USB, no DivX, and so many others...)
Seems like there is no right to judge and criticize the OS.
We shall not become like the iPhone fanboys. Seriously.
I also think that WP7 is a truly disappointing experience as I don't like to be forced to use all these external MS services (Zune, Skydrive, Marketplace, etc...) that just make me waste my time.
And I expect nothing from the so-called January update.
I love threads like this. Keep em coming lol jk. But man the pole jockers in here have fits when anyone say something about wp7. I dont know what everyones country rules are. But mine is freedom of speech. So if the dont like what the guy or troll have to say, dont feed him. Case Closed.
To the OP, I suggest you spill your mind on these boards http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/windowsphone7/threads
At least it gets some exposure for Microsoft.
lqaddict said:
To the OP, I suggest you spill your mind on these boards http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/windowsphone7/threads
At least it gets some exposure for Microsoft.
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Good tip, if OP find interesting; closure here, and this link is for future users to enjoy!
Thanks!
Anyone moved from Android to WM7, primarily a Radar? Thoughts? I'm on a GS2 right now and considering a switch.
hah2110 said:
Anyone moved from Android to WM7, primarily a Radar? Thoughts? I'm on a GS2 right now and considering a switch.
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I did, and I think I made the right choice.
Depends what you are looking for. If you are looking for thousands of apps, no. If you are looking for useful apps, yes most of android ones I found exist here. Few don't but you can only wait. If you are looking for stable, fast and extremely reliable phones, yes. New fresh UI, yes. New integration etc, yes. All in all depends what you want from the phone.
What DONT you like? What about things like Gmail integration? Video chat with Skype? Tweaks and modifications?
hah2110 said:
What DONT you like? What about things like Gmail integration? Video chat with Skype? Tweaks and modifications?
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i moved to wp7 from ios and android. i still use my iphone sometimes because of all the themes. android for me was a laggy force close experience. i love my htc titan. i never have any issues and the screen size is great. everything i need to do my windows phone does, just like my android phone did. the only down side for me was loosing all the customizations that android and ios (jailbroken iphone 4) have. if you dont change the look of you phone with widgets and roms all the time then you wont regret the switch.
Android even though I would never have it, is what Windows Mobile use to be, you had freedom and functionality. I went from WM to WP and even though WP isn't bad it does suck elephant balls compared to WM. WP is stable and quicker, I do remember having to reset my WM phone every now and then but if I need to do something simple like create an MMS message with sound, it would do it, if I needed to transfer a file via Bluetooth no problem, If I wanted to add a freaking wallpaper to my start screen I could. Things which I'm pretty sure you could do now on Android. If you do switch over be prepared to give up a lot of your choices.
I change roms all the time on my hd7. Try something different, try win phone. Don't rely on the opinions of others, especially in these highly bias forums.
Plenty of these threads already.
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Give this a read - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1379120
It's android to Titan, but essentially most gen2 windows phone will have more or less same experience software wise. The hardware choice depends on your taste. Please do remember we don't need processors with size of elephant's ass because OS was designed to rule the hardware unlike Android where you need certain hardware before even thinking of running the bulky OS on it.
^ see what I mean by bias? That post sums this little Winphone world up.
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vetvito said:
^ see what I mean by bias? That post sums this little Winphone world up.
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wtf!
drupad2drupad said:
wtf!
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Hahaha! Funny.
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hah2110 said:
Anyone moved from Android to WM7, primarily a Radar? Thoughts? I'm on a GS2 right now and considering a switch.
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I moved Android - WP7 - Android.
Sadly I had to ditch WP although I wanted to stay.
doministry said:
Hahaha! Funny.
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I moved Android - WP7 - Android.
Sadly I had to ditch WP although I wanted to stay.
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Why
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Since you are looking at the Radar and are in the US I assume you plan on being on t-mobile. I would see if you can't get your hands on a HTC HD2. Then you can have both WP and Android, plus it's fun to hack around on. Only down side might be if you NEED a FFC for video chat.
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Hahaha! Funny.
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I know right! It's like people don't follow any OS anymore, they troll down my posts! But all good joy of meeting exciting people at XDA!
I moved from Android (and iPhone before that) and am very happy here. There are certain shortcomings that will be addressed in time, and as long as you don't need to customize your phone all the time you should definitely give it a try. Its quite a refreshing take on mobile UI/interaction.
I went from windows mobile (wizard, tilt2 then the htc pure) where i was costantly changing roms and the back grounds. One rom would fix one thing but break another. I just was never satisfied and truthfully i spent more time fooling and changing things at work then i did working. Then i got a windows phone 7 mod for my pure. started playing with it but wasn't sure if i would like it. Then i found a great deal on a HTC surround online and since my contract wouldnt' be efffected and in 6 months i could change if i didn't like it via contract upgrade, i dove in. This was pre-nodo. I was glad for the switch. in the 1st few months though i did have rom flashing withdrawl..damn u xd for getting me hooked. But... i learned to use a phone for what it was ment to be used for. The surround was super stable and the MS commercials were right. Glance and go. I spent less time messing with my phone and more time using it. The live tiles just work. Well contract time came, and i waited watching for 2nd generation phones. 8 months later... att had a black friday sale. Titan for 1 cent. I now own a titan and i WILL NEVER own a phone with a smaller screen again. It's freaken amazing. My only hopes that would make it even sweeter will be if Nokia releases one with the same size screen in 2 years. (i have always been a nokia fan at heart for there hardware)
Now the good for windows phone
The integration in the people hub is sweet. Change from texting someone to facebooking them with one button in the same interface! In the contacts, scroll left and everyones facebook is there. I created groups and if i click on "Family" i see all my familys facebook only. If i click on only 1 person, i can see only that persons. No app loading. no wait. how sweet is that. There are countless ways things integrated in the O/S.
if i hit voice, say movies it will bing search the web and present me with a list. When i click on it it shows the list again but with user ratings, what kind of movie it is and how long the movie is. When i click the movie i would like to see, it gives me movie art, same info but showtime to the left showing i can scroll that way. Scroll to showtime and there is the closest place to me that is showing it and all the times with a buy ticket box under it. If i click the movie location i can get directions, phone number and address + website of the theater. if i scroll left i can see all the apps i have currently and any app i could want to download for doing these tasks. If i click buy ticket ( you may have to have msn movies for this but i am not sure) it took me into msn movies to pre-purchase the ticket.
Oh and the directions link i told you about takes you to bing maps with a gps step by step, ready to take you there. If i clicked on the phone number instead, it would dial the movie theater.
There are tons of these little extras you will discover in windows phone, already there, and not talked about.
drupad2drupad said:
I know right! It's like people don't follow any OS anymore, they troll down my posts! But all good joy of meeting exciting people at XDA!
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No, the funny part is how you didn't understand his comment.
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hah2110 said:
Why
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Just because total amount of limitations.
In every way, starting from missing features and ending on OS design inconsistencies.
I truly believe WP7 will be good OS in one year the earliest.
from galaxy s 4g to radar
pros:
- so easy, a caveman can use it
- pretty ui transition. smooth
- dedicated camera button
- LED flash, decent camera
- (supposedly) guaranteed to get timely OS updates
cons:
- alternate browser (no opera, etc). there are "alternate browsers" but they are just skins on top of IE9. NO
- no swype (there is knock off but it sucks)
- VERY limited app selection. most are 1-3 stars rating w bad reviews
- decent apps are $1-5
- no gmail app and nice stuffs like threaded view like web version, no priority emails, etc
- google voice apps cost $ for push
- cant "send text to..." by voice via google voice
- cant "send email to..." by voice
- "navigate to ..." doesnt give easy voice navigation like android. clunky to use
- cant set default app for certain action (always send email via some third party app, etc)
- individual volume settings for ring, alarm, music, notification, keyboard
- no speech to text in any text field (i miss that little mic icon on ALL keyboards)
- slow. does things smoothly, but get things done SLOWER than SGS4G. same 1Ghz processor, 512MB RAM.
- no flash. say what you will about flash but having a choice is better than none. plus SGS4G can handle flash video on websites quite well
I'll be selling my Radar soon. bought it cause stupid samsung wont give me ICS/android 4.0
From nexus S to Samsung focus. And I am lovin' it
doministry said:
No, the funny part is how you didn't understand his comment.
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Just because total amount of limitations.
In every way, starting from missing features and ending on OS design inconsistencies.
I truly believe WP7 will be good OS in one year the earliest.
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I did and that's why the wtf. There has to be a team troll out here. You dint sense the tone either. Bet you like Android?
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atb1183 said:
pros:
- so easy, a caveman can use it
- pretty ui transition. smooth
- dedicated camera button
- LED flash, decent camera
- (supposedly) guaranteed to get timely OS updates
cons:
- alternate browser (no opera, etc). there are "alternate browsers" but they are just skins on top of IE9. NO
- no swype (there is knock off but it sucks)
- VERY limited app selection. most are 1-3 stars rating w bad reviews
- decent apps are $1-5
- no gmail app and nice stuffs like threaded view like web version, no priority emails, etc
- google voice apps cost $ for push
- cant "send text to..." by voice via google voice
- cant "send email to..." by voice
- "navigate to ..." doesnt give easy voice navigation like android. clunky to use
- cant set default app for certain action (always send email via some third party app, etc)
- individual volume settings for ring, alarm, music, notification, keyboard
- no speech to text in any text field (i miss that little mic icon on ALL keyboards)
- slow. does things smoothly, but get things done SLOWER than SGS4G. same 1Ghz processor, 512MB RAM.
- no flash. say what you will about flash but having a choice is better than none. plus SGS4G can handle flash video on websites quite well
I'll be selling my Radar soon. bought it cause stupid samsung wont give me ICS/android 4.0
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Android is your cuppa surely!
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