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HD Multimedia Dock 59$ / Standard Dock 49$ ?

http://androidandme.com/2011/01/pho...motorola-atrix-4g-could-retail-for-around-59/
Sounds good to me. So far, all price leaks regarding the Atrix have been really interesting (150$ for the laptop, 150$ for the phone with 2 yr contract in US, probably similar with 3yr in Canada, and now these reasonably priced docks).

i wonder if you HAVE to use the docking station with a screen, or does that just give you the remote control capability?
Surely I will just be able to plug in via HDMI and play movies, music, pictures etc? Seems odd that you need a special box for it. Possibly more comfortable, thats all.
Maybe someone will invent a wifi based remote control...?

Its logical, that if you have miniHDMI port, you dont need anything else (also check this thread someone said about video output).
I think that the Standart Dock is just for charging and easier connecting Atrix to TV (normal HDMI port) and with HD Dock you can also connect some USB devices like mouse or keyboard.
And most important you get nice stand for your Motorola

If there's only a $10 difference I may just get two multimedia docks. One to keep connected to my TV and the other next to my bed.

that hd dock looks great, I really want one for my Atrix ( when I will buy it ). And that other dock, it doesn't have remote control, right?

latest word is the dock is going to cost upwards of $500.
AT&T has announced pricing for the Android smartphone, which will run $199.99 when you sign up for a 2-year contract, but it will cost $499.99 to purchase the docking station that effectively turns the phone into a laptop computer. That means the docking station will be about twice as expensive as we’d been hearing… and it will cost even more if you don’t buy the Webtop at the same time as the phone. Oh yeah, you’ll also have to pay for a tethering add-on in addition to your smartphone data plan.
The dock will run $499.99 if purchased separately.
http://liliputing.com/2011/02/att-t...ontract-500-with-laptop-dock.html#dsq-content

That's the laptop dock. The HD Multimedia Dock will be "only" $189 with a keyboard, mouse, and remote.

Rastor said:
That's the laptop dock. The HD Multimedia Dock will be "only" $189 with a keyboard, mouse, and remote.
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Love the "only"... That has to be a crazy keyboard and mouse...

HD dock is $130 or so. Screw that. Just run the HDMI cable straight to the TV from the phone, and use a bluetooth keyboard/mouse, no need for the USB port.

I ordered the multimedia dock bundle because I get 40% off accessories through the at&t premier website. $117 isn't so bad for everything you get. The laptop dock was not fiscountable but the price of that was not worth discount or none IMO. If I don't like the multimedia dock I have 14 days to return it... so here's hoping I like it.
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[email protected] said:
Its logical, that if you have miniHDMI port, you dont need anything else (also check this thread someone said about video output).
I think that the Standart Dock is just for charging and easier connecting Atrix to TV (normal HDMI port) and with HD Dock you can also connect some USB devices like mouse or keyboard.
And most important you get nice stand for your Motorola
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According to this video on Youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8sN3DnKaKM if you only plug in the HDMI cable there is no Webtop button. The guy says when you plug in just an HDMI cable there are two modes "Entertainment mode, and the do nothing mode"
So I guess they figured out a way for the phone to identify when it is using one of the docks.

I would like a standard dock that just holds the phone and maybe allows for charging; im definitely thinkinng of the standard dock though.
Using this in class to take notes is something taht is really excitint; im using an ipad right now and i love it, but sometimes I dont want to throw at ithe bag and set it up just to take a few notes.

[Q] Atrix Laptop dock work with HTC EVO?

From what I can tell, the placement of the connectors is about right (width), but I think one of the connectors is upside down if you compare the EVO USB/HDMI and the Atrix USB/HDMI, so I am not sure that it would fit.
Next step in my brainstorm would be to use extension cables to compensate for the twisted connector, and rig up a jig/adapter plate to securely hold the EVO onto the laptop dock.
Once the hardware could be connected, we have to deal with software, firmware, kernels and the like. I've seen that HDMI mirroring is mostly done, and I imagine that the Motorola webtop software will be hacked/ported or cloned at some point. Although, even just running the EVO on the main screen would be sweet enough for me (for now).
I would declare it cooler than sliced bread if I could use my EVO with the Atrix laptop dock, or had something similar for my EVO. (if I could just get HDMI in, I'd use an old laptop as a shell).
Thoughts and ideas?

i seriously doubt it will work. although the microusb and hdmi might be the same, there is a lot on the software side that has to be done in order for the evo to work. its probably proprietary code, which wouldnt be a huge deal, but there wont be enough interest due to the fact the dock is 200 dollars. so it may be possible, but i wouldnt have my hopes up

I'm pretty stingy in general, although more liberal when it comes to technology and gadgets, and I don't feel that $200 would be wasted or expensive (more than that would quickly get too expensive though) on something like that. Maybe just because I have dreamed of doing something similar ever since I got my Sony u7 50p a few years back, but I still think it would be awesome!

USB host and full HDMI out are mostly driver module issues and would be covered by GPL. As far as the UI,a launcher switch triggered by "Dock Mode" is already in place, it would just need an options pop-up to select which mode you wanted to use like the USB does when you connect to a PC. Something like And-Win home screen would work as a desktop UI to start. The only issue I see would be if there's a validation check from the lapdock or media dock.

Last I looked (a while ago) I could not find any mention of people using/turning on USB host support on an EVO. Do you know anything about that? I'm not sure what the GPL is though...

You woulld be much better off (and cheaper) to buy a 13inch monitor, connect hdmi from evo to monitor, and use the FullHDMI app, with a bluetooth keyboard of course.

AllanonMage said:
From what I can tell, the placement of the connectors is about right (width), but I think one of the connectors is upside down if you compare the EVO USB/HDMI and the Atrix USB/HDMI, so I am not sure that it would fit.
Next step in my brainstorm would be to use extension cables to compensate for the twisted connector, and rig up a jig/adapter plate to securely hold the EVO onto the laptop dock.
Once the hardware could be connected, we have to deal with software, firmware, kernels and the like. I've seen that HDMI mirroring is mostly done, and I imagine that the Motorola webtop software will be hacked/ported or cloned at some point. Although, even just running the EVO on the main screen would be sweet enough for me (for now).
I would declare it cooler than sliced bread if I could use my EVO with the Atrix laptop dock, or had something similar for my EVO. (if I could just get HDMI in, I'd use an old laptop as a shell).
Thoughts and ideas?
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The connectors aren't even CLOSE.
The motorola webtop stuff is actually a full linux environment, and when it boots up it uses a whole core of the tegra.
Keep in mind the atrix is still "running" android on the other core.
Even if this WAS possible, it would be so entirely laggy it would not be worth it at all. (And having tried the dock for the atrix, it's a complete waste of money in my honest opinion. _ANY_ netbook priced at ~$250 USD outperforms it.)
Hate to break it to you, but no, you'll never see it "ported."
As far as I can see, the best you're going to get is hdmi out (to a regular screen) and maybe once someone gets around to enabling the proper USB option host based devices. (keyboard, etc. But enjoy hacking your cables up to make a proper adaptor)

I don't suppose you have a lead on anyone (or thread) working on USB host for the EVO do you?

While you may be able to mirror on the laptops screen and have it charge. The only thing thats seemingly impossible is to make use of the touchpad through a hardwired connection. You're better off to trying to jerry rig a bluetooth keyboard w/ integrated track pad, a tiny HDMI enabled screen, and a battery source.

AllanonMage said:
I don't suppose you have a lead on anyone (or thread) working on USB host for the EVO do you?
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The closest thing I've found was a "needs testing" driver for the HD2 port of the Evo ROM. There doesn't seem to be much interest from the devs.

Sounds like a plan. You should pick one up asap.

ryohei47 said:
i seriously doubt it will work. although the microusb and hdmi might be the same, there is a lot on the software side that has to be done in order for the evo to work. its probably proprietary code, which wouldnt be a huge deal, but there wont be enough interest due to the fact the dock is 200 dollars. so it may be possible, but i wouldnt have my hopes up
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I personally have the lapdock AND the OG EVO works with it (using AnthraX) although I had to twist the HDMI cable it does so on screen...
It works in Landscape as well as Portrait but the USB's do NOT work with it...
any idea on how to get it working?

je2854 said:
I personally have the lapdock AND the OG EVO works with it (using AnthraX) although I had to twist the HDMI cable it does so on screen...
It works in Landscape as well as Portrait but the USB's do NOT work with it...
any idea on how to get it working?
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Reviving an ancient request. Anyone has this working? I tried like above and got the hdmi and charging working, but not usbs...

fflakes said:
Reviving an ancient request. Anyone has this working? I tried like above and got the hdmi and charging working, but not usbs...
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I'm sorry buddy I have switched company's but I believe it is just a matter of drivers needed to be installed

[VIDEO] Bluetooth on ICS over MHL

Hi there, I found a bluetooth keyboard and mouse laying around so I thought I'd make a video showing some of the ways you can use it via MHL.
Seems youtube compression robbed quite a lot of quality.
Looks like ICS has improved over Gingerbread here, landscape home screen is default and better integration of the scrollwheel.

Nice video really cool feature!
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Cool feature but nothing new. Honeycomb has had great mouse and keyboard... and USB gamepad support. I also have this feature on my G2x with CM7 as well on my transformer.
I have a BT thumb keyboard and BT Microsoft 5000 laptop mouse.
G2x - 2.3.7 CM7
Transformer - 3.2 Revolver OC/UV

OP: Very cool. Can any bt keyboard and mouse work with the phone? If not, which ones would you recommend?

player911 said:
Cool feature but nothing new. Honeycomb has had great mouse and keyboard... and USB gamepad support.
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Oh I know, I've played with it on a GS2 as well. Just noticed a few improvements for bluetooth peripherals in ICS, that's all.
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OP: Very cool. Can any bt keyboard and mouse work with the phone? If not, which ones would you recommend?
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Don't see any limiting factor, if you just want it as something to play with I'd just get some cheap bluetooth stuff should work fine. If you plan on using it a lot, get whatever you feel most comfortable with, I like logitech peripherals myself especially with their legendary customer service.

Yea they all connect using the same Bluetooth profiles. My BT thumb keyboard can't be any cheaper, China made el-cheapo quality ... but works great.
I've had this setup just out of boredom and curiosity but never had the need to use it in real life.
The thumb keyboard was purchased for its directional keys to use as a bad gamepad. Haven't tried it yet.
G2x - 2.3.7 CM7
Transformer - 3.2 Revolver OC/UV

Nice video. Have you tried connecting a Sixaxis controller and playing a game?

Will any micro USB MHL adapter work or do you need a specific Galaxy Nexus MHL adapter?

For those who have the Apple Bluetooth keyboard (it is a nice keyboard) the GN currently fails to even see it to try and pair let alone connect. For comparison my Asus Transformer will see the keyboard and pair but fail to connect and my CM7 Blade/Nexus one both paired and connected
I also couldn't get a wiimote to pair natively nor a zeemote JS1 so the bluetooth controller support seems to be very limited.

@rcfcyl:
As MHL is an international standard, any cable will do the trick.

gabster21 said:
Nice video. Have you tried connecting a Sixaxis controller and playing a game?
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Not rooted atm so haven't tried yet, will make sure to do so in the future.
rcfcyl said:
Will any micro USB MHL adapter work or do you need a specific Galaxy Nexus MHL adapter?
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Yup, any should be fine. I bought mine off ebay which was listed for a GS2.

When connected to an external monitor, do apps that have different layouts for phones and tablets (I think the Gmail app does this, on phones it has a single pane, on tablets it has multiple panes) display the tablet layout, or the phone layout?

whyamihere said:
Not rooted atm so haven't tried yet, will make sure to do so in the future.
Yup, any should be fine. I bought mine off ebay which was listed for a GS2.
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Just wondering if you tried a PS3 controller yet, paired one with my SGS and it works great.

Samsung kills their own keyboard docks for tablets

http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-kills-keyboard-dock-for-galaxy-tabs-11268778/
So thats why we never got note 10.1 keyboard in US.
I still fancied the dock....
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I really wanted a transformer style dock, but using the oem cover to make it so that you can type comfortably works well.

mrbkkt1 said:
I really wanted a transformer style dock, but using the oem cover to make it so that you can type comfortably works well.
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I agree. This 30 pin connector, proprietary charging, no HDMI, coupled with no JB 4.2 so no miracast, this is one disconnected, connected, wired and shackled but supposedly mobile device.
I've only had it for three weeks and I miss a more connected, but liberated device.
It's frustrating cause this could be soooooo good.
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Too bad, the idea of a keyboard dock that also charged seemed good
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deecee52 said:
I agree. This 30 pin connector, proprietary charging, no HDMI, coupled with no JB 4.2 so no miracast, this is one disconnected, connected, wired and shackled but supposedly mobile device.
I've only had it for three weeks and I miss a more connected, but liberated device.
It's frustrating cause this could be soooooo good.
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Hdmi....would never use it....what to shackle it up to my tv? Pretty sure micro USB is not feasible for 2 amp charging. This baby already is soooooo good.
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299792458 said:
Hdmi....would never use it....what to shackle it up to my tv? Pretty sure micro USB is not feasible for 2 amp charging. This baby already is soooooo good.
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my playbook, and my note 2 use 2 amp chargers. I just lucked or on the 30 pin connector because I had a mini usb to 30 pin connector for my tab 2 7.0, and an extra cable.
The tf300 was a dream to type on with the dock, but honestly, my note 10.1 kicks the crap out of it. The oem cover works great, with the exception of a lot of e's that come out 3.
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I had no idea that this was happening.
It would be awesome if Samsung could come up with a transformer-esque type of keyboard/cover, or even a touch-cover like the Surface.
It makes the idea of a "Note netbook/laptop" a good one, but with two separated accessories i.e. stand + bluetooth keyboard, that idea is gone.
Shame :/

The tablet must be a tablet, not a computer if you want a computer buy it separately. A tablet is made for commands through touchscreen, if you want to have a tablet with dock keyboard buy a tablet-pc ( i own one..)

deecee52 said:
This 30 pin connector, proprietary charging, no HDMI, coupled with no JB 4.2 so no miracast
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Eh? I can find the Samsung connector (which is actually a standard called "PDMI") just about anywhere (at least in the States), I've got more charger options now than i had with my Moto Xoom, especially if you buy one of these. HDMI and AllShare Cast work on my device, too.
I've used 4.2 and we're not really missing much useful save the multi-user feature.
I have 4 BT Keyboards, including one with a built-in stick mouse and a cover that folks to make a stand; the combo (which is light enough I carry it around in a case with my Note) gives me everything I could get with the KB dock except maybe charging and it's apparently more portable as well.
I'd say we're pretty well-connected

A charging keyboard dock would have been bad ass.

FlagshipX said:
A charging keyboard dock would have been bad ass.
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seriously though, the battery life on the note 10 is pretty good, I would like the extra peripherals, like the full size sd and usb ports on the transformer docks.
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dei.andrei98 said:
The tablet must be a tablet, not a computer if you want a computer buy it separately. A tablet is made for commands through touchscreen, if you want to have a tablet with dock keyboard buy a tablet-pc ( i own one..)
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What I want is to travel without two toons of devices
Just one which does anything I need. And a tablet with (a good) keyboard can do that.

dayr said:
What I want is to travel without two tons of devices ... And a tablet with (a good) keyboard can do that.
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This. I've been able to travel with only my tablet (on certain business trips even) and have most of what i'd needed to do be accessible that way.

I went to verizon yesterday & saw a Samsung branded Keyboard dock for the Tab10.1. I tried it with the display model Tab 2 10.1 & it fit. I thought that the Tab 210.1 & the Note 10.1 were the same size. I was gutted to find it was not. It works if you pull out the plastic guide/holder, but then it is kind of flimsy in there. Bummer.

Wasnt there a rumor somewhere that one of Samsungs next tablets was going to be transformer-esque? I could have sworn I read something a few months ago about it.

Chocu1a said:
I went to verizon yesterday & saw a Samsung branded Keyboard dock for the Tab 10.1 ... I thought that the Tab2 10.1 & the Note 10.1 were the same size. I was gutted to find it was not.
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Well, with the GNote 10.1 LTE coming to VZ soon, I'd expect they'd be getting accessories there, too (and likely to be hugely overpriced), so I'd come back again a little while after the GNote's available in VZ stores.

Tempted to grab one off ebay. What can I say, sometimes I get typity.

dei.andrei98 said:
The tablet must be a tablet, not a computer if you want a computer buy it separately. A tablet is made for commands through touchscreen, if you want to have a tablet with dock keyboard buy a tablet-pc ( i own one..)
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That sounds sort of narrow-minded in my opinion. Why can't a tablet be both or why can't a computer be a tablet? For an artist like me, I would love the opportunity if tablets got powerful enough to rival their notebook counterparts and offered a desktop view as well as for easy access with a keyboard and trackpad.
With the move of ultrabooks , especially the Surface Pro, converging into tablet territory with full features, one must consider that to be a blessing than a curse. Think about it in this way: Would you carry a radio, cd player , portable DVD player with TV, game system and an ereader just to be able to use them, or would you opt for the simpler solution of an all in one deal? That is the number one reason why the iPod took off: portability. Not only can you get a radio, but a music player and now video, games and reading.
It gets roughly cumbersome to carry every single CD, DVD ,game cart/disc in addition to the hardware , let alone the books for brief reading in commutes in comparison to an all out deal.
For the average consumer and artist, such things are so hard to get that it is pushed towards the rich ,but now similar tech now exists that has the potential to allow for maximal power and capability and the ability to change form factors on the fly. Why should people have to be inconvenienced to buying several different products that can be brought under one device when it can be deducted into one singular product that is amazing and does it all , broadly speaking?
If we went by this flawed logic an mp3 player must play music only, but no radio , thus how would iPods and whatnot be popular if they didn't serve multiple functions simply?

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Eh? I can find the Samsung connector (which is actually a standard called "PDMI") just about anywhere (at least in the States), I've got more charger options now than i had with my Moto Xoom, especially if you buy one of these. HDMI and AllShare Cast work on my device, too.
I've used 4.2 and we're not really missing much useful save the multi-user feature.
I have 4 BT Keyboards, including one with a built-in stick mouse and a cover that folks to make a stand; the combo (which is light enough I carry it around in a case with my Note) gives me everything I could get with the KB dock except maybe charging and it's apparently more portable as well.
I'd say we're pretty well-connected
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Thanks.....I think. Glad to hear about the PDMI. Just have to figure out how to use it.
What I was trying too say is everything is an add on so my kit ends up being as bulky as my ultrabook and far more prone to losing some piece that makes the whole thing work. my last tablet logged about 100k+/- frequent flyer miles. Using one power brick with one power end, one multi headed usb, one multi headed hdmi, one universal battery charger brick fit neatly in an airplane amenity bag, and served two cameras, one phone and a tablet. Needed no OTG cable to get the CF card reader seen by the tablet. Because I have a GNex, I already have a data/sync switch on my usb cable.
The cameras are the hardest and heaviest to carry.
So far, I've had to add another amenity kit to add the adapters for the Note. And I still don't have a way of using it to run a projector or tv. My phone ends up doing that.
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Just bought one, stock is running out everywhere.
Time to think about soldering a split cable data/charging, and if that works hdmi.
Hope it's as nice as said, but returning is always an option in NL.:good:

What I want to be able to do with my GS3....

I want to be able to plug my GS3's USB port into a wire, or maybe do this wirelessly, and then see Android screen on a large monitor and use a mouse and keyboard to intract with the display on the large screen.
I am baffled at the idea that this is not possible... so I must be missing something?
I have a little netbook that I use in this way, and the GS3 is a much more powerful device (it can play videos that the netbook cannot manage).

Bluetooth keyboard and mouse. HDMI MHL adapter.
But why? They make a pc for that.
Gs3 is not very powerful and you won't have good resolution. Productivity will be minimal.
If you want a mobile PC grab a windows 8 tablet like the surface pro.

Do you want a desktop or a mobile device?
You could buy a transformer type tablet or build a desktop for pretty cheap.
If you want this to be mobile, that's a lot of crap to carry around... How would you even power the screen? Seems like those people who bring desktops to coffee shops.
If you want a desktop, you can come build or buy one that's much more powerful for not all that much more than the cost of hooking your phone up - and then you don't have to worry about battery life draining and overheating.
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synpax said:
I want to be able to plug my GS3's USB port into a wire, or maybe do this wirelessly, and then see Android screen on a large monitor and use a mouse and keyboard to intract with the display on the large screen.
I am baffled at the idea that this is not possible... so I must be missing something?
I have a little netbook that I use in this way, and the GS3 is a much more powerful device (it can play videos that the netbook cannot manage).
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You guys don't quiet get it. I have a powerful desktop replacement and a netbook.
But I like the idea of having all this in my pocket and just plugging into a workstation at home.
And a Microsoft Surface? EEWWwwwww.

It is possible, I'm using WD Live, no keyboard use tho, but I can stream YouTube or play files from my phone onto tv using wd and some other UpnP apps.
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Surface PRO. Not a toy like an iPad or surface rt. The Pro is a productive machine.
I dont understand.. So you want to carry a keyboard, mouse, HDMI adapter, and power cable in your pocket along with your phone?

bkaltec said:
Surface PRO. Not a toy like an iPad or surface rt. The Pro is a productive machine.
I dont understand.. So you want to carry a keyboard, mouse, HDMI adapter, and power cable in your pocket along with your phone?
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Lmao, idk why I thought this comment was hilarious
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synpax said:
I want to be able to plug my GS3's USB port into a wire, or maybe do this wirelessly, and then see Android screen on a large monitor and use a mouse and keyboard to intract with the display on the large screen.
I am baffled at the idea that this is not possible... so I must be missing something?
I have a little netbook that I use in this way, and the GS3 is a much more powerful device (it can play videos that the netbook cannot manage).
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If you want to be able to just plug it into yet another set of hardware at home... just go buy the stuff and plug it in.
Bluetooth is still a better deal than wired keyboard/mouse - but you still have the battery drain issue, which is why this is not a practical idea - especially since we're talking about an S3. It should be able to accept hardware input through the micro usb, but it's not really designed for that - and you'd have to get adapters and hub and why have all that crap taking up space if you already have a home system ? I wonder what would happen if you had three pieces of hardware trying to use the same micro-usb input, too (obviously, hubs work, but they have to share - and the monitor is going to want a lot of the available transfer capacity for itself) - makes more sense to just use it for HDMI to the monitor and use bluetooth for the peripherals.
If you had a phone that could run off AC only, it might fare better - since there'd be no battery constantly charging and draining and heating everything up, but the S3 won't do that.
Cool idea in theory ? Yeah. It would be great. But in practice, not so much. It would be better if the S3 could run from AC only - heck, it'd be almost a good idea. But since it can't and it lacks great cooling (since it's a compact, air-cooled phone), you're just going to be exposing the phone to high operating temperatures for extended periods of time which isn't exactly great for it.