Wireless tether gone? - Samsung Epic 4G Touch

I have Wireless Tether for Root Users installed but when I try to search it on the Market with mine or anyone elses phone, it's not there.
Ideas?
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And after double checking the Market again, it says the app isn't available for my carrier. So it looks like it may be disabled for Sprint customers or maybe just us E4GT people.
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Sunsparc said:
And after double checking the Market again, it says the app isn't available for my carrier. So it looks like it may be disabled for Sprint customers or maybe just us E4GT people.
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Actually sprint finally disabled it for us. It was reported on a couple tech blogs. Sorry I don't have link since I'm on my phone to show you.

Sunsparc said:
I have Wireless Tether for Root Users installed but when I try to search it on the Market with mine or anyone elses phone, it's not there.
Ideas?
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HERE ya go......

Im not likeing what sprint is doing but i can see by the end of the year we gonna loose are unlimited becuase of apple i hate apple they suck
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fortunately it's still available online
http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/
installs just fine too

tech7 said:
Im not likeing what sprint is doing but i can see by the end of the year we gonna loose are unlimited becuase of apple i hate apple they suck
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Ridiculous. You honestly think it has anything at all to do with Apple? You Apple hating bandwagoners crack me up.
Please, enlighten us all with your reasoning.

_MetalHead_ said:
Ridiculous. You honestly think it has anything at all to do with Apple? You Apple hating bandwagoners crack me up.
Please, enlighten us all with your reasoning.
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This has everything to do with the intro of the iPhone to sprint's lineup. Do a search and you will find a zillion posts as to why
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limeaid said:
This has everything to do with the intro of the iPhone to sprint's lineup. Do a search and you will find a zillion posts as to why
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Just because a bunch of people post about it does not make it so. It is speculation at best. I fail to see how the release of an iPhone would make Sprint block tethering apps on Android. Correlation != causation. Pretty sure it is because Sprint is trying to crack down on excess data usage in general and that was one of the easiest ways to do it. Sprint has made a ton of changes to their policies lately and everyone is blaming the iPhone for it. Nobody ever stops to think that maybe they have a plan and that the iPhone is simply PART of that plan.

The plan is to save a lot of money bc they have to pay $30+ million to apple for the iphone so this way they get more new contracts! This is why they raised the returning fee to $350 and 14 days bc they know that a lot of the new iphone users are going to leave bc the bad data service. They need the iphone to raise the share price so they can pay for the LTE.

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Correlation != causation.
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Sure, that is true. But the two concepts are similar.
In science, sometimes you cannot get an unequivocal proof of something, but you may have good correlations between two phenomena.
A scientist may then use the following approach to prove that the two phenomena are directly related: review and disprove all other possible scenarios which may give the same experimental result. Technically it's not a proof, as it is essentially an argument from ignorance. But it's a very useful tool nevertheless.
I cannot see any other good reason why Sprint would disable wireless tether app in the market so close to iphone4s release date.
Sprint has made a ton of changes to their policies lately and everyone is blaming the iPhone for it. Nobody ever stops to think that maybe they have a plan and that the iPhone is simply PART of that plan.
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Maybe you need to stop and think that perhaps there's a reason why everyone has that attitude.
BTW, I think it's time you took that iphone out of your beehind.

dmora01 said:
The plan is to save a lot of money bc they have to pay $30+ million to apple for the iphone so this way they get more new contracts! This is why they raised the returning fee to $350 and 14 days bc they know that a lot of the new iphone users are going to leave bc the bad data service. They need the iphone to raise the share price so they can pay for the LTE.
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The key phrase here is "so they can pay for LTE". They are in the midst of expanding and strengthening their network and adding LTE coverage, this is why they need the money, not to pay for the iPhone. The iPhone is only a piece of their greater plan and all the cuts and changes they are making is to help see that plan to fruition.
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BTW, I think it's time you took that iphone out of your beehind.
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k.

While Sprint certainly needs money for infrastructure upgrades given the short-term-profit outlook that has ruined the economy in the past 20 years I'm willing to bet that Sprint cares more about getting more customers (with the iPhone) than they do about upgrading infrastructure for customers they already have.
How far apart are those priorities? Perhaps not very far, but, I think it's almost obvious that Sprint would care more about new contract customers. Though managing churn certainly comes into play here, that's straddling the line though. Some of that churn will be for Sprint's (previous) lack of the iPhone and some will be for horrid coverage and performance.
But what is going to cost Sprint more? LTE rollout and the rest of the new Network Vision or paying Apple for all of the (estimated) 20 MILLION iPhones they promised to buy at $30 *BILLION*....
...either way you slice it Sprint needs to cut it's costs in any way possible. I would imagine a $30 *BILLION* contract with Apple is certainly likely to accelerate their desire to cut some corners here and there.
But for all of the 'the sky is falling' types out there I wouldn't worry about smart-phone unlimited data any time soon. Now that Sprint has the iPhone as well it is an even playing field...now they just have to catch up with infrastructure and customers...and until they become at least #2 of the big 3 I wouldn't worry about "Unlimited Data" going anywhere. It's all they have to differentiate themselves...the iPhone only upgrades them to 'also ran' status.
...though, I don't say unlimited data I say "Unlimited Data"....you can replace the implied air-quotes with an asterisk if you wish. What "Unlimited Data" will mean in the future may change....but it will still likely be what we have now.
But, if Sprint were to happen ditch the "Unlimited Data" I'd bail to Verizon so fast it'd make a couple heads spin...I'm sticking with Sprint for what, the paltry $10-$15 in savings over Verizon???? Pfffft....It's the "Unlimited Data"...you take that away and I (and many many others I'd wager) wouldn't be willing to put up with their crap.

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Just because a bunch of people post about it does not make it so. It is speculation at best. I fail to see how the release of an iPhone would make Sprint block tethering apps on Android. Correlation != causation. Pretty sure it is because Sprint is trying to crack down on excess data usage in general and that was one of the easiest ways to do it. Sprint has made a ton of changes to their policies lately and everyone is blaming the iPhone for it. Nobody ever stops to think that maybe they have a plan and that the iPhone is simply PART of that plan.
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Let me help you since you seem to need the obvious stated.
Sprint clearly believes that the iPhone will lead to a significant increase in customers and thus bandwidth requirements. They are taking actions to prepare for these changes. cutting down on high data usage so that the network can handle three new traffic is almost certainly on their minds.
---> unauthorized wireless tethering consumes data
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limeaid said:
Let me help you since you seem to need the obvious stated.
Sprint clearly believes that the iPhone will lead to a significant increase in customers and thus bandwidth requirements. They are taking actions to prepare for these changes. cutting down on high data usage so that the network can handle three new traffic is almost certainly on their minds.
---> unauthorized wireless tethering consumes data
Do I need to fill in the rest of the blanks for you?
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+1... not a conspiracy therapist type of guy but I too believe the introduction of the Iphone will/has change(d) how Sprint handles things.. My data speeds which were terrible to begin with have only gotten worse, which makes my tethering my Sunday ticket when I am out pretty ****ty...lol

Do a google search for Wireless Tether and you will find the apk.
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Glad I got the new 3.1 beta 99 version the short time it was there. Gotta test it out and see if it still works
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JohnCorleone said:
Glad I got the new 3.1 beta 99 version the short time it was there. Gotta test it out and see if it still works
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It will always be available from GoogleCode...and v3.1 beta 99 works great. YMMV.

Everyone seems to be missing the OBVIOUS reason they would want to block tethering apps on the market that take advantage of rooted phones...
Sprint CHARGES people for the right to tether their phone. If you can root and tether for free, they are losing out on that $30/month tethering charge.
Plain and simple... That costs them a lot of money whether or not the iPhone is in their lineup.
I'm not saying I'm happy that they finally got smart enough to block apps that allow you to do things that violate the TOS, but its a pretty obvious reason.
Verizon and AT&T have been doing it for 6 months already.

Dalmus said:
Everyone seems to be missing the OBVIOUS reason they would want to block tethering apps on the market that take advantage of rooted phones...
Sprint CHARGES people for the right to tether their phone. If you can root and tether for free, they are losing out on that $30/month tethering charge.
Plain and simple... That costs them a lot of money whether or not the iPhone is in their lineup.
I'm not saying I'm happy that they finally got smart enough to block apps that allow you to do things that violate the TOS, but its a pretty obvious reason.
Verizon and AT&T have been doing it for 6 months already.
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6 months? Far longer so far as I know...but I've not had service with either of them for years.
While I know they could stand to lose $30 from each of us rooted tetherers I don't think that's how they would lose the most money. We are so small in number however our data consumption is likely in the top 1-5%. It's not the $30 they miss from us (which I'm sure they'd love) so much as the 15-25gb more a month that we consume over the average data hungry android user.
Sure, it's about money. I'm just not convinced it's the $30 they are missing so much as the terabyte upon terabyte that a tiny tiny tiny fraction of us are surely consuming in aggregate. Their hotspan plans and devices are now bandwidth limited, remember.

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Is it our fault??

Ive been tossing around a idea in my head alot if people complain about sprints bad data speeds but i wonder is it our fault? Are we taking advantage of sprint with the free tethering clogging up data in top of the unlimited data we use but not paying causing sprint to lose money? im not tryna talk **** on anyone who tethers free cuz i do it to im just wondering are we hurting ourselves rather than helping?
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Excessive use is a breach of contract. Some people have said they have had their service canceled because of high data usage.
And yes it is a drain on everyone else using that tower, and we all suffer as a result.
I wouldn't say it's our fault. It's Sprints fault for not properly upgrading the towers to accommodate for all the new subscribers.
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rruss said:
Ive been tossing around a idea in my head alot if people complain about sprints bad data speeds but i wonder is it our fault? Are we taking advantage of sprint with the free tethering clogging up data in top of the unlimited data we use but not paying causing sprint to lose money? im not tryna talk **** on anyone who tethers free cuz i do it to im just wondering are we hurting ourselves rather than helping?
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It's Sprint's fault for not upgrading their network much [if at all] since 2003.
It's Sprint's fault for not estimating the data demands over their customers over the last two years.
But of course it isn't helpful when people use 60 GB of data a month.
Not all of us tether free even when rooted. This is Sprints fault. They know the ammount of data devices they sell and they should adjust their networks accordingly
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Our fault? No fncking way. This is Sprint's fault. We might seem like a huge community on XDA...our phone and every other Sprint model...and there are an impressive number of accounts here. But, in the big picture, we are a drop in the bucket....it would take 25-50 of us on every tower tethering constantly streaming video or downloading torrents 100% of the time, saturating the line, with a perfect signal in line-of-sight of the tower for them to blame us for their network sucking. This is technology. It is constantly marching forward. Wireless is the new broadband. Period. Us geeks knew this years ago, even when it seemed absurd and the technology was an immeasurable amount of years away. Then it wasn't just close, it was here...and they did nothing...
...in fact...We are at the cutting edge, we are pushing this technology. We should be the benchmark by which the capability of their network is judged. If they scale their network according to if their entire network was composed of users only like us with our data usage they wouldn't have these problems...instead they over-sell and under-supply their network banking on people under utilizing the bandwidth they were promised. That's the most important cornerstone of any type of data connection business....we can't possible use it all up 100% of the time, right? They should scale the network to fit *our* needs, to play it safe.
...but then they would just sit on their asses that much longer into the next generation. Short term profits over long term viability...that's the new way. If they were to put that kind of investment into their network investors would be fncking furious because it would cost capital and the stock would sink momentarily once those expenditures were announced.
OUR fault? Hardly. It is their fault. Who? The engineers? The techs? No, they know better and they wouldn't have done this. The sales people? They don't typically even know better. The CSR's on the phone? They don't even care.... it's the god damned CFO and CEO and the nature of the market that is to blame. Forest for the trees, cut off the nose to spite the face, penny wise pound foolish, etc etc etc.
Our fault?
Lol, no.
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Our fault? No fncking way. This is Sprint's fault. We might seem like a huge community on XDA...our phone and every other Sprint model...and there are an impressive number of accounts here. But, in the big picture, we are a drop in the bucket....it would take 25-50 of us on every tower tethering constantly streaming video or downloading torrents 100% of the time, saturating the line, with a perfect signal in line-of-sight of the tower for them to blame us for their network sucking. This is technology. It is constantly marching forward. Wireless is the new broadband. Period. Us geeks knew this years ago, even when it seemed absurd and the technology was an immeasurable amount of years away. Then it wasn't just close, it was here...and they did nothing...
...in fact...We are at the cutting edge, we are pushing this technology. We should be the benchmark by which the capability of their network is judged. If they scale their network according to if their entire network was composed of users only like us with our data usage they wouldn't have these problems...instead they over-sell and under-supply their network banking on people under utilizing the bandwidth they were promised. That's the most important cornerstone of any type of data connection business....we can't possible use it all up 100% of the time, right? They should scale the network to fit *our* needs, to play it safe.
...but then they would just sit on their asses that much longer into the next generation. Short term profits over long term viability...that's the new way. If they were to put that kind of investment into their network investors would be fncking furious because it would cost capital and the stock would sink momentarily once those expenditures were announced.
OUR fault? Hardly. It is their fault. Who? The engineers? The techs? No, they know better and they wouldn't have done this. The sales people? They don't typically even know better. The CSR's on the phone? They don't even care.... it's the god damned CFO and CEO and the nature of the market that is to blame. Forest for the trees, cut off the nose to spite the face, penny wise pound foolish, etc etc etc.
Our fault?
Lol, no.
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Lol damn i feel like u starting a revolution
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phatmanxxl said:
Excessive use is a breach of contract. Some people have said they have had their service canceled because of high data usage.
And yes it is a drain on everyone else using that tower, and we all suffer as a result.
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Mine was canceled due to high data usage while tethering.
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Yes, it's the tetherers' fault. They're sucking up bandwidth from an already overburdened network.
Yes it's Sprint's fault. They've allowed their network to be overburdened when they should have been upgrading.
Yes it's the Apple fanbois' fault. They exist...
It's both parties fault. Those that put the blame only on Sprint are being stupid.
Yes, tethering uses a ton of bandwidth but that's not the only offender here. Torrents and streaming media are another huge burden. They were when I was on T Mobile also and even with me using their 21.1Mbps network it still slowed down often. Some people are just selfish and don't care that their data usage IS effecting others. Honestly it's more your fault than it is Sprint's.
You knew the network capabilities.
You knew how many people were on the network.
You knew the coverage area.
You knew how many people use smartphones.
You knew how much of a burden they are on any network.
You knew WiMax wasn't very good.
You went to the store and got the phone.
You upgraded for another 2 year contract.
You tethered.
You downloaded torrents.
You stream large amounts of media.
You rooted and ILLEGALLY used the wifi hotspot feature.
But of course it's all Sprints fault, right? Not at all your fault?
Get brains or GTFO
KCRic said:
It's both parties fault. Those that put the blame only on Sprint are being stupid.
Yes, tethering uses a ton of bandwidth but that's not the only offender here. Torrents and streaming media are another huge burden. They were when I was on T Mobile also and even with me using their 21.1Mbps network it still slowed down often. Some people are just selfish and don't care that their data usage IS effecting others. Honestly it's more your fault than it is Sprint's.
You knew the network capabilities.
You knew how many people were on the network.
You knew the coverage area.
You knew how many people use smartphones.
You knew how much of a burden they are on any network.
You knew WiMax wasn't very good.
You went to the store and got the phone.
You upgraded for another 2 year contract.
You tethered.
You downloaded torrents.
You stream large amounts of media.
You rooted and ILLEGALLY used the wifi hotspot feature.
But of course it's all Sprints fault, right? Not at all your fault?
Get brains or GTFO
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Is it THAT serious man?
KCRic said:
But of course it's all Sprints fault, right? Not at all your fault?
Get brains or GTFO
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Sprint supplies me with an unlimited connection. They told me so. They say that to millions of people every hour of every day. Whether that is via tethering or not is completely irrelevant... I can saturate the line, easily, without tethering using features that they proudly advertise....
... And the fact that a service provider cannot provide me with a service that they not only advertise as their crown jewel but I also pay for specifically is somehow my fault!?
If all of the "illegal" tethering were to stop right this second I'd wager it wouldn't make a bit of noticeable difference.
If you cannot provide a service why sell it?
Our fault? No..Sprint's fault.
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Is it THAT serious man?
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+1 on that... dont know about anyone else but I have been on Sprint for a while now and since my TP/Diamond days and well before that the network has been slow. Also in my area I am sure not every tower I am hitting has a large mass of people doing tethering and downloading torrents but I can tell you that my data speeds stay consistently slow. There are probably many factors here that contribute to our slow speeds so lets not finger point too much guys..
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daneurysm said:
If all of the "illegal" tethering were to stop right this second I'd wager it wouldn't make a bit of noticeable difference.
If you cannot provide a service why sell it?
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I think he may have a point there...
I pay for Hotspot and I also grabbed Wifi Tether 3.1 beta 6 and 3.1 beta 99. I can't believe they are going to cap Hotspot! $30 a month. I don't use torrents but I will probably download ROMs on the Wifi Tether to watch that cap. What will cap be on Hotspot and effective when?
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Sprint supplies me with an unlimited connection. They told me so. They say that to millions of people every hour of every day. Whether that is via tethering or not is completely irrelevant... I can saturate the line, easily, without tethering using features that they proudly advertise....
... And the fact that a service provider cannot provide me with a service that they not only advertise as their crown jewel but I also pay for specifically is somehow my fault!?
If all of the "illegal" tethering were to stop right this second I'd wager it wouldn't make a bit of noticeable difference.
If you cannot provide a service why sell it?
Our fault? No..Sprint's fault.
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Restrictions apply
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It's true Restrictions do apply there are people however that do abuse the system though as well. In all honesty what's the appeal of doing torrents on a phone via a tethered connection? If you need something so bad use your computer at home I'm pretty sure the local internet provider is faster then Sprint's network.
with my first month on sprint now behind me I used less then 2 gig of data that's between watching a few video's on you tube and downloading market apps as well as just surfing the net on the phone while I'm on break. granted it might of been more but when I'm home I have a computer I can do all of those things on so why clog up the lines seriously.
I do agree a little though that even if Tethered apps went away I don't see it really affecting things much. But at least where I'm at I'm happy with the service and it's better then what I had with T-Mobile and it was great for school atleast till today (damn school jacking **** up so now ALL Sprint users are in the same boat as me LOS while at school for some dumb reason.)
KCRic said:
It's both parties fault. Those that put the blame only on Sprint are being stupid.
Yes, tethering uses a ton of bandwidth but that's not the only offender here. Torrents and streaming media are another huge burden. They were when I was on T Mobile also and even with me using their 21.1Mbps network it still slowed down often. Some people are just selfish and don't care that their data usage IS effecting others. Honestly it's more your fault than it is Sprint's.
You knew the network capabilities.
You knew how many people were on the network.
You knew the coverage area.
You knew how many people use smartphones.
You knew how much of a burden they are on any network.
You knew WiMax wasn't very good.
You went to the store and got the phone.
You upgraded for another 2 year contract.
You tethered.
You downloaded torrents.
You stream large amounts of media.
You rooted and ILLEGALLY used the wifi hotspot feature.
But of course it's all Sprints fault, right? Not at all your fault?
Get brains or GTFO
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This guys a fricken toolbox. Its very obvious even to sprint there networks are so heavily saturated because they didn't do upgrades fast enough. They were sent backpeddling with wimax and are scrambling and giving it a 110% right now supposedly with there new program to hit every tower in America with upgrades because they haven't been in the ball. Wait a bit and it should all be getting upgraded. Its lame when u arnt the Guy using TONS of bandwidth on your PC on torrents and you go to download your favorite Tom update and its maxing at .2Mb/sec but its all screwed up anyway. It will get better. Honestly I'm happy as can be right now
Some folks forget that Sprint whores out...sorry...wholesales out their network to every Tom **** and Harry MVNO and their mother.
Who's the newest company to announce plans to wholesale from Sprint? Republic Wireless...
So we already have Sprint, VMobile, Boost, Clear, Comcast, TimeWarner...e.t.c, and yet some want to hypothesize that it is a paying Sprint customers fault?
Let's dig a bit further...you advertize unlimited data, and I have the boriest night shift job in the world but I have this giganticus Android phone with a glorious app called Netflix, hallelujah, no more boredom at work.
One doesn't have to tether only to suck data. I could Netflix for hours a day (re: boring night job) and not be in violation of their ToS regarding tethering. Only if 3g was worth using...so slow.
As the last bastion in unlimited data, Sprint has to beef up their network and keep that niche carved up good, and we have to also cherish it too else it's easy for Sprint to start capping data (which is definitely coming).
Will I stop tethering? No. Why? Because between phone data usage AND the occasional tethering, I don't use up to 1gb (because 3g has become so slow I can't even use it for data intensive stuff like YouTube or even the afformentioned Netflix. At least 4g is decent when it works)
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If "Unlimited" isn't actually unlimited then they should use a more precise word...oh...I dunno...like limited. The word exists and it means what they mean when they say the word that has the opposite meaning. Seems a little deceptive to me.
I have asked about this "Unlimited" with CSRs at my local Sprint store, my local Sprint corporate store, in online chat, over the phone etc etc etc, and regardless of what the fine print might say every single one of them over the past 2 years has told me that "Unlimited" means unlimited, without limit. I don't know, perhaps EVERYONE in the chain of command and EVERYONE being heavily advertised to and EVERYONE who payed for an "Unlimited" plan might--just might--be a little confused as to why the word "Unlimited" is being used when there are far more fitting and far less confusing words to use.
Unlimited meaning without limit, synonymous with "infinite supply of." How a company would stake their ENTIRE survival on a typo (and the iPhone) eludes me.
I have (without tethering at all) pulled 10-20gb in a month before, sometimes higher. I never heard a word. Is that wrong of me? No. I was sold "Unlimited data" I pay for "Unlimited data" and I think it is not unreasonable to use unlimited data in an unlimited fashion.
Sure, there might be some twaddle in the contract about using so much data that you degrade the experience for other users of the network being against the rules...but...for the past 6-8 months it has been nigh on impossible for me to get speeds (or consistent connections) that allow me to get the service that I paid for let alone enough of it that I could ruin anything for anyone else....
...I'm pretty sure that's where the jackasses that say the WE "ruined it" come in to play.
This is Sprint's fault and no restrictions apply to that statement.
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If "Unlimited" isn't actually unlimited then they should use a more precise word...oh...I dunno...like limited. The word exists and it means what they mean when they say the word that has the opposite meaning. Seems a little deceptive to me.
I have asked about this "Unlimited" with CSRs at my local Sprint store, my local Sprint corporate store, in online chat, over the phone etc etc etc, and regardless of what the fine print might say every single one of them over the past 2 years has told me that "Unlimited" means unlimited, without limit. I don't know, perhaps EVERYONE in the chain of command and EVERYONE being heavily advertised to and EVERYONE who payed for an "Unlimited" plan might--just might--be a little confused as to why the word "Unlimited" is being used when there are far more fitting and far less confusing words to use.
Unlimited meaning without limit, synonymous with "infinite supply of." How a company would stake their ENTIRE survival on a typo (and the iPhone) eludes me.
I have (without tethering at all) pulled 10-20gb in a month before, sometimes higher. I never heard a word. Is that wrong of me? No. I was sold "Unlimited data" I pay for "Unlimited data" and I think it is not unreasonable to use unlimited data in an unlimited fashion.
Sure, there might be some twaddle in the contract about using so much data that you degrade the experience for other users of the network being against the rules...but...for the past 6-8 months it has been nigh on impossible for me to get speeds (or consistent connections) that allow me to get the service that I paid for let alone enough of it that I could ruin anything for anyone else....
...I'm pretty sure that's where the jackasses that say the WE "ruined it" come in to play.
This is Sprint's fault and no restrictions apply to that statement.
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Really, this argument?
Just like "free" doesn't really mean "complete and absolutely free."
Give me one example in life where "always" [hell or even the opposite] "never" actually are true.
You can't.
Language isn't perfect, especially English.
Hell even the English language has exceptions to every rule.
Sorry, but this is a rather silly complaint.

Rumor: Sprint to cap and throttle?

This is a rumor. Take it for what it's worth. The moderator being mentioned heard the rumor a few days ago but purposely didn't post anything until he could get some confirmation. I never saw that he came back and posted he had confirmation, but it was posted on SprintUser News.
From SprintUsers.com
http://www.sprintusers.com/interesting-rumor/
One of our moderators, after a very recent visit to Radio Shack had this to say after speaking to an employee:
In addition to the change in how they will calculate discounts by separating the 1st 2 lines, Sprint will be going to capped data. The cap numbers I heard were a 2GB cap with speeds throttled after 1 GB. No word on if it was being applied across the board, would just be for new accounts, etc.
What does this mean? Simply put, Sprint may begin the move to stop the totally awesome Unlimited plans. How will this change your relationship with Sprint?
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sfhub said:
This is a rumor. Take it for what it's worth. The moderator being mentioned heard the rumor a few days ago but purposely didn't post anything until he could get some confirmation. I never saw that he came back and posted he had confirmation, but it was posted on SprintUser News.
From SprintUsers.com
http://www.sprintusers.com/interesting-rumor/
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There's absolutely no way Sprint would do this.
Now, in 2013 when they are completely LTE?
Yeah. Maybe.
But if they do anything like this now they're done.
T-Mobile will over take them.
I promise.
I highly doubt this is going to happen now...in a competitive market where verizon already has a huge lte market, unlimited data is the only thing sprint has going for them. I can see unlimited data disappearing when sprint starts releasing devices on its own lte network...late 2012 early 2013
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sfhub said:
This is a rumor. Take it for what it's worth. The moderator being mentioned heard the rumor a few days ago but purposely didn't post anything until he could get some confirmation. I never saw that he came back and posted he had confirmation, but it was posted on SprintUser News.
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http://www.sprintusers.com/interesting-rumor/
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I would be on Verizon the next day if they started to cap. Isn't the main reason people stay with Sprint because of unlimited data?
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What if they did it for new accounts. Would that make you more likely to stay?
This is ridiculous. There's no way I'd pay $75 a month for 1GB data. Sprint 3G is bad. Unlimited 4G is the only reason I'm on Sprint.
A radio shack employee that about sums it up
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There are customers today paying for unlimited but their connection is too slow and they never realistically get to 2GB. Being throttled after 1GB might actually be an improvement from being throttled after 1KB.
ervman1 said:
I highly doubt this is going to happen now...in a competitive market where verizon already has a huge lte market, unlimited data is the only thing sprint has going for them. I can see unlimited data disappearing when sprint starts releasing devices on its own lte network...late 2012 early 2013
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You do realize that data on Verizon Wireless is capped based on what you pay for and anything over that limit say 2-5 gb you are charged overages. That has do do with anything Verizon Wireless sells. They also throttle there speeds.
Sprint on the other hand just released a commercial on tv that said they wernt going to cap or throttle the network. Why would they go back on that commercial and spend that kind of money just to change there mind? Basically they said Unlimited means "Unlimited".
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What if they did it for new accounts. Would that make you more likely to stay?
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I would leave on principle.
I'm already about done with Sprint after 9 years as it is.
Have you guys ever read the terms of service for Sprint? They already from the beginning throttle services. So you are already throttled from the start when you using those services. They don't tell you what the pre-throttle. Also if they feel you use too much they'll lock out the service until your next cycle or remove you altogether(let you go without paying the termination fee). Also you have to be on their network to get unlimited. If you happen to be roaming you only get 300mb a month.
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Why would they go back on that commercial and spend that kind of money just to change there mind? Basically they said Unlimited means "Unlimited".
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Unlimited is just a marketing strategy, it isn't a company philosophy. They'll keep marketing it as long as they feel it is gaining them customers. If there is no advantage (ie they are losing customers) then they'll probably drop it and try some other marketing approach. After all they have the iPhone now
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Have you guys ever read the terms of service for Sprint? They already from the beginning throttle services. So you are already throttled from the start when you using those services. They don't tell you what the pre-throttle.
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I'm not sure what part of the ToS you're referring to but if you understood computer networking you'd know that ALL connections are "throttled" in order to allow for a consistent connection
Only reason I joined sprint was the unlimited data. Too bad I get 20-98kpbs most of the time on 3g... When I'm on 4G i use the heck out of it though. If they end unlimited data I'm going back to a GSM carrier. I miss the ability to easily switch phones.
Can't wait Till July 2013 to get out of my contract unless speeds pick up by then! I'm eyeing Verizon. But until then its sprint slow unlimited network craning from 100kbps to 2 jobs depending the tower your connected to
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I'm not sure what part of the ToS you're referring to but if you understood computer networking you'd know that ALL connections are "throttled" in order to allow for a consistent connection
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Go through it. It has NOTHING to do to gain a consistent connection.
Edit it's there somewhere. I remember a few months back before T-Mobile changed their forums I posted everything people didn't know about their terms. I broke down the sections and what was explained to me when Sprint dropped me as a customer. They allowed me to move all 5 of my lines without a termination fee during that time, but I ended up losing my number I had for 8 years...
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What if they did it for new accounts. Would that make you more likely to stay?
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If they went that route, they would have to grandfather us in or there would be a mass exodus
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Go through it. It has NOTHING to do to gain a consistent connection.
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Generally when someone makes such a significant claim, especially when they're clearly from a different carrier, they are required to provide proof to such claim.
And yes, connections are "throttled" to ensure a consistent connection.
If they weren't controlled correctly your download speeds could jump up and down and would be unstable.
I'm not just talking about wireless services, but all ISPs.
The "throttling" that is generally referred to that is "bad" in the mind of the wireless market is when a carrier [T-mobile, At&t, Verizon and a few smaller carriers] reduce your speeds to 1x or EDGE after you've used a predetermined amount of data for that billing cycle.
Verizon even goes as far as stating [and this only applies to those that are grandfathered into unlimited plans] that not only will they throttle you for the remainder of the month but also for the entire next billing cycle.
Sprint may have something in the ToS about this in relation to how 4g works.
They had "throttled" the max upload to 1mbps at one point [and I believe increased that to 1.5mbps] but it was not a ploy to limit the customers based on usage. Just to limit the overall load on the network to allow all customers a positive experience.
Since there's really absolutely no need to have more than 1.5 mbps upload on a phone, that's more than enough.
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Generally when someone makes such a significant claim, especially when they're clearly from a different carrier, they are required to provide proof to such claim.
And yes, connections are "throttled" to ensure a consistent connection.
If they weren't controlled correctly your download speeds could jump up and down and would be unstable.
I'm not just talking about wireless services, but all ISPs.
The "throttling" that is generally referred to that is "bad" in the mind of the wireless market is when a carrier [T-mobile, At&t, Verizon and a few smaller carriers] reduce your speeds to 1x or EDGE after you've used a predetermined amount of data for that billing cycle.
Verizon even goes as far as stating [and this only applies to those that are grandfathered into unlimited plans] that not only will they throttle you for the remainder of the month but also for the entire next billing cycle.
Sprint may have something in the ToS about this in relation to how 4g works.
They had "throttled" the max upload to 1mbps at one point [and I believe increased that to 1.5mbps] but it was not a ploy to limit the customers based on usage. Just to limit the overall load on the network to allow all customers a positive experience.
Since there's really absolutely no need to have more than 1.5 mbps upload on a phone, that's more than enough.
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Then WHY don't they say that in the terms and be cryptic about it when you ask? There's even some stuff about rooting being against the terms and POINT to rooting as an example... They do more throttling than just to ensure "connectivity". Time Warner here throttles upload and they specifically point it out in their terms of use.
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If this is true, I would not hesitate to cancell my contract, I don't give a **** paying the ETF because their network is soo ****ty their 3g is a joke! I rarely pulled 500kbps on a good day! My cousin has an iPhone on att and he consistently gets 3 or 4mbps. Don't get me wrong I love the company and the cheap prices but they are not ready to compete with the big companies. I just hope they don't go bankrupt.
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[INFO] VZW UNLIMITED Data - Tips from a Throttled Power User

I originally posted information on how VZW actually does throttle 4G data. They claim to only throttle 3G connections but I can see obvious speed adjustments in a specific line that I severely exceed the normal usage on, my connections are slower than a more typically used line.
I am fine with being throttled and was offering my experience in what the thresholds were, I posted because of recent news about AT&T and a lot of misinformation about unlimited data usage and carrier's throttling. I was trying to quell the fears from experience because I highly doubt a single one of you is throttled or ever will be whereas I am in the top 5%... probably the top 1%. – Essentially that I am on the carrier’s side in their right to do so and that it’s not so bad when it happens.
What I got was a lynch mob over my very atypical data usage. My data needs are far greater than any plan currently offered so instead of paying $500+ a month in overages I admitted in my post to using Wireless Tether. - This is where the pitchforks and torches came in. If you don't use this app then so be it, I am Frankenstein’s monster and you want to string me up... if you have ever used the app then put down your pitchfork, you belong at my side because there is no difference in using it for 1kb or 1tb.
I read my contract and the terms of my service and do not believe I have violated my specific agreement but if I sign a new contract then the verbiage would change so that I would be in breach.
Know your contract and understand what you are signing, some marriages don’t even last for 2 years… It’s good to understand what you are signing up for especially if you are on here looking for instructions to root your phone or how to install one of the MANY tethering apps for rooted and non-rooted phones.
Someone (mwalt2) mentioned that I could still get the Mobile Hotspot enabled with unlimited data so I called Verizon and talked to a half dozen people, only the online rep would confirm that the specific feature code he gave exists… This is the closest as I have come in a year to getting Unlimited Mobile Hotspot data.
My final conversation with VZW today, I talked to a really awesome rep who agreed that my data usage was high but never questioned why. Actually, he avoided mentioning or asking me any questions about my usage other than the initial “Wow, you use a lot of data”. He told me the feature code I mentioned isn’t available anymore and he couldn’t add it to my plan; feature codes don’t ‘expire’ because people who had it added while it still existed need it for their plan to bill properly. So he could see it but he wasn’t able to add it.
My attempt was to add the feature for Unlimited Mobile Hotspot data; he could only offer me a 2GB plan for $20 or sign me up for a MiFi for an additional $10 for the line and then $80 for 10GB (They only double the data on phone plans).
His final words were, “Just keep doing what you are doing. There are no plans to get rid of people with unlimited data and at very least, if they do eventually, you have until the end of your contract to use it.”
This isn't my free ticket nor should it be yours, I will take it for what it's worth.
MY FINAL COMMENT:
I was trying to help the community with a contribution few of you will ever experience but ended up just getting chastised, threatened and called names. I will close this thread by saying: The VZW reps did not have any bad comments, no names, nor did they threaten to kick my arse. They have a better picture than any of you of my usage as well as a clear understanding of what the policies and terms of my agreement are. Every single Verizon rep I talked to today was nice, didn’t threaten to terminate my contract or tell me that I don’t “Need to use…” whatever feature/app was causing me to use so much data. - This is why I am with Verizon; I was a human talking to humans. I did not, nor should I ever, have to justify what I use my internet for. – I am sorry I even posted this but I did learn a lot so it wasn’t a complete waste.
(Original post text in comment #79)
After all this time and crap it's as easy as getting into your features online to add the 4G mobile hotspot... it simply attaches to your unlimited data plan. (Comment#82) - FACEPALM -
Well, as long as you apologized for making everybody pay higher prices for data plans.
Oh and btw, what's your phone number? I'm not going to report you to Verizon or anything, I promise.
compnird said:
Do I feel guilty? A little... it's people like me that forced VZW to get rid of the Unlimited plan. So those of you using 5-6GB a month are forced to buy an expensive plan... sorry!
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Don't be. Tiered plans have nothing to do with capacity and everything to do with keeping revenue per user up despite declining voice usage. It has everything to do with paying a $400+ commission to Apple for every iPhone sold. As you know first hand, traffic shaping can be handled without across the board cutoffs.
You keep fighting the good fight. Strangle their network til they take it away from you. Fight the man, because he's been fighting all of us for years. He will lose, first by giving us unlimited off-peak data back. Then, he'll give us unlimited 24/7 access back too. We've seen this all before with voice.
What the heck! That's a lot of data in a month! I don't accept your apology.
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There was alot of speculation whether Verizon's unlimited data plan was truly unlimited back in the d1 days. Judging from the amount of data you have used I guess it is really unlimited I've always been tempted to tether to my Xbox when I'm away from a connection but thought it would lag to much.
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ATnTdude said:
You keep fighting the good fight. Strangle their network til they take it away from you. Fight the man, because he's been fighting all of us for years. He will lose, first by giving us unlimited off-peak data back. Then, he'll give us unlimited 24/7 access back too. We've seen this all before with voice.
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In all honesty I don't think of myself as "fighting the man". I just believe that we should ALL have a plan that fits our specific needs. They simply don't offer one for me any longer so I am forced to do something they frown upon.
I agree though, they screwed with the voice plans back in the early 00's and lost enough people, I almost jumped ship in 2001, they eventually brought back the unlimited talk and gave us more options like family share and others... SMS and MMS are the same way, they finally give me enough text allowance that I don't go over anymore but before it was either pay per text, 100 or 500... now I can pay for unlimited.
Someday they will bring back unlimited data or offer it at a considerable markup. Until then, I will continue using my data as I need it and will bail and go elsewhere if they ever cancelled it.
Zane_Grey said:
I've always been tempted to tether to my Xbox when I'm away from a connection but thought it would lag to much.
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I play online all the time with friends... I actually have had my daughter watching Netflix or Amazon videos on the tablet while I play Halo online.
I only had and issue once when my phone decided to reboot mid-game.
I literally had more issues and lag when I had Comcast Cable.
Give it a try sometime... Keep in mind that at home I have full signal 4G LTE so you may not have the same full signal I do. My Ping times to the Live servers are around 60ms.
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I play online all the time with friends... I actually have had my daughter watching Netflix or Amazon videos on the tablet while I play Halo online.
I only had and issue once when my phone decided to reboot mid-game.
I literally had more issues and lag when I had Comcast Cable.
Give it a try sometime... Keep in mind that at home I have full signal 4G LTE so you may not have the same full signal I do. My Ping times to the Live servers are around 60ms.
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How much data do u use I want to use my phone for online but thought it would so a big red flag because Im around 3gb a month I have unlimited so I'm not to worried there just don't want vzw knowing.
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tysdad08 said:
How much data do u use I want to use my phone for online but thought it would so a big red flag because Im around 3gb a month I have unlimited so I'm not to worried there just don't want vzw knowing.
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Read my original post at the top..... I use a LOT!
Cool story bro.
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Cool story bro.
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I'm not a fan of this saying. But this time, it's fitting.
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That is a ridiculous amount of data...
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I'm not a fan of this saying. But this time, it's fitting.
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Neither am I, but yes, it seems very fitting.
OP, people that are unable to get a decent dataplan for a decent price thank you. Why you would brag about this is beyond me. Just get a FiOS or uVerse line.
But hey, carry on.
Just to add, what you do with your line(s) is between you and Verizon.
Damn home internet is affordable!
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**** i was hitting the 200 GBs w Sprint myself. Just remember people with out us, these companies aint ****. So give em a run for there money. At some point people get screwed over by the big companies and as we being human dont like to get played so it becomes a playground w these scums. Its a win lose or win win lose lose factor. Just gotta go with it. Its to show those comps how we as spenders want what we want. Again, we give them our money to provide the service. So if people wanna go there about to doing these things.. Let em. If our president doesnt listen to what we demand than **** we push it down there throats and push the limits to get something done.
Ex: Bank wants to sell my condo for 114k but best ive been offered is 99k, so what do i do is simple tell the bank either take the money or ill foreclose. Simple as that and they took the money, I split and we happy.
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I tether on sprint and hit like 30gb but don't do it officially because they cap it. I wouldn't do it if there was an affordable decent service where I live there is only one ISP which is over prized. So sometimes its necessary to do things that are frowned upon when what you need isn't offered.
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**** i was hitting the 200 GBs w Sprint myself. Just remember people with out us, these companies aint ****. So give em a run for there money. At some point people get screwed over by the big companies and as we being human dont like to get played so it becomes a playground w these scums. Its a win lose or win win lose lose factor. Just gotta go with it. Its to show those comps how we as spenders want what we want. Again, we give them our money to provide the service. So if people wanna go there about to doing these things.. Let em. If our president doesnt listen to what we demand than **** we push it down there throats and push the limits to get something done.
Ex: Bank wants to sell my condo for 114k but best ive been offered is 99k, so what do i do is simple tell the bank either take the money or ill foreclose. Simple as that and they took the money, I split and we happy.
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I hit the thanks button out of sarcasm...
People actually wonder why they are capping wireless data and throttling users?
/boggle
I play Xbox live off a terrible 3g connection just fine. I use at most 10 gigs a month if I play ALOT. I pay for an unlimited plan. Suck it if your upset because you came to Verizon late.
Edit: Verizon is capping the data because they can. Not because we use a lot of data because they can get away with it. They cap it and make you pay when you go over. They aren't doing it to be fair to the people who don't use as much they do it to make money.
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How much data do u use I want to use my phone for online but thought it would so a big red flag because Im around 3gb a month I have unlimited so I'm not to worried there just don't want vzw knowing.
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All I got from OP's post was "I'm an honest scumbag. Honest. "
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{Rumor} T-Mobile US may announce Iphone Next Month?

Thoughts?
http://www.tmonews.com/2012/11/t-mobile-to-announce-imminent-iphone-arrival-next-week/
Well, here’s a story we didn’t see coming, especially not on the heels of the last T-Mobile’s COO comments regarding the iPhone last week. According to Merrill Lynch analyst Scott Craig, “speculation is heightening” that Deutsche Telekom will announce the imminent arrival of the iPhone for its company’s US unit during next week’s analyst day meetings. The meetings, scheduled for December 6th and 7th would be an unusual place for such an announcement given that Apple likes to be involved with high-profile launches. However, the iPhone’s launch on smaller, regional players has also been without the usual Apple fanfare so there is some precedence for the opposite to be true.
The arrival of the iPhone on T-Mobile would give Apple access to 98% of the nations post-paid wireless subscribers with an additional 33 million potential customers.
We’ve seen plenty of analyst statements pop up speculating on the iPhone’s arrival on T-Mobile, but few analyst comments have been so specific with a time and date. It’ll be interesting to see how this one plays out.
What are your personal Thoughts? More So about T-mobile NOT the Iphone.. I was curious how development felt about this..
What will this do to the Network? Speeds? Coverage? Prices?!
More power to them. This will allow them to gain more customers by appealing to a wider base and will result for them to put more pressure on their LTE network. Tmobiles still in this race. Before I feared they might die out.
T-Mobile has the best and cheapest plans in my opinion. The only thing really lacking is the quality of their network overall. Which is hopefully going to change soon
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This is related to the s3 how?
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Lol don't matter to me I hsd an iPhone waiting on my S3 to come in. That thing is a piece of crap and it's made of glass barely dropped it and it spider webbed.
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Hopefully they're planning on revamping their network so all the iSheep don't bog it down when they switch from other carriers to save money. I forsee Tmobile raising their prices if they get the iphone.
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Towle said:
Hopefully they're planning on revamping their network so all the iSheep don't bog it down when they switch from other carriers to save money. I forsee Tmobile raising their prices if they get the iphone.
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I agree. If T-mobile raises their prices, then I will definitely be switching to Att or Verizon. T-mobile's network is by far the worst in upstate NY, but their prices are what kept me interested. Let's hope this is only a rumor....
My co-worker has an iPhone 4S, told me his boss is getting iPhone 5s for his whole team and he's so bummed because he wanted an S3 instead but the boss will prol. say no since they just got the 5s...
He's jealous of my: bigger screen, Swype keyboard (Android 4.2 KB at the moment), MUCH better battery life, nice rounded back with the Fosmon TPU case is sweet (I don't even worry anymore when I drop my phone)...
Hehe, he gets mad whenever I show him something new on my S3 like the 4.2 Sphere camera or I show him how I'm still at 60% battery at the end of the day without bothering to plug it in for a little more juice every time I sit down at my desk.
So, yea, I want an iPhone 5 - but only as a second phone so that I can know iOS well when I need to support a client w/an iPhone, not as my "DD" #1 phone 'cause that's gonna stay Android (or some other flavor of Linux type OS that's not closed up by Apple).
Who cares about an I phone... My sister just got one on att, played around with it... And I cannot see my self using an I phone lol no way in hell.
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This is related to the s3 how?
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"IF" this does happen could you imagine the amount of iphone users that will be switching from 2g/3g coverage over to the network. Let along T-mobile claims that they already have more than a million iphones now. I think it will pull our network down significantly.
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Hopefully they're planning on revamping their network so all the iSheep don't bog it down when they switch from other carriers to save money. I forsee Tmobile raising their prices if they get the iphone.
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the second part of this, will happen inevitably. more traffic = more people using data = required network expansion = higher MRC for their customers
honestly, there WILL be a day when people are treated by carriers much like banks treat people who take out loans on houses, etc... the reason? it becomes a necessity by consumers - a required aspect of your daily routine. what are you going to do? start sending hand written letters? no. you will use the most convenient resource you have.
let's see if i can muster up an analogy here that would help get my point across regarding where mobile technology is headed:
Banks: own your house if you have a loan. have you by the balls, literally. you pay it, or you live outside. houses, are a necessity.
who are the ONLY people not being manhandled by the banks? people that already have it paid off. typically older people who are settled down.
Phone companies: own your cell phone service. have you by the balls. you pay it, or you no longer have it. cell phones, mobile technology, mobile networks - quickly becoming a way of life. you are looked at like you are a freak if you do not access internet on the go. who are the ONLY people that are not going to be manhandled by carriers in 10 years? when your desktop, laptop, etc... is now obsolete? the people who are on OLD ASS PHONE PLANS with unlimited call/text/DATAAAA.....
look at the average size of android app from 2009 to now, OS gets bigger, apps get bigger, network capacity has a need to be maximized. who will pay for that? people on t mobile's pay as you go plans? no. people who are getting SUCKED into "service agreements"....
want to be smart and prepare for doomsday? in a way that is comparable to the housing market plummeting? get on an unlimited call, text, and 4g plan now. and never buy another phone from a t mobile store ever again.
you will be one of those folks sitting in their nice pretty little classic looking cottage, all paid off, and you will be paying 79.99 a month for such service when others are paying 150...
just sayin.
oh, and rant over. but so true. watch
I like the iphone. There I said it :0
I like ios because it is very well designed and visually appealing. Most of the apps are more visually appealing than android apps.
I also like android for what I can do with it. I can make it look visually appealing, but most of the apps on the market are still hideous. I'm just waiting on android to catch up to apple and have the same sort of guidelines apple has to make apps look sort of decent.
Like some others in this thread said: More power to them.
For me though, I made the choice to dump them and abandon my iPhone, I just hope that T-Mobile prepares their network accordingly BEFORE the flock arrives.
Probably just taking advantage of the fact that Apple is now selling unlocked iphones in usa now.
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the second part of this, will happen inevitably. more traffic = more people using data = required network expansion = higher MRC for their customers
honestly, there WILL be a day when people are treated by carriers much like banks treat people who take out loans on houses, etc... the reason? it becomes a necessity by consumers - a required aspect of your daily routine. what are you going to do? start sending hand written letters? no. you will use the most convenient resource you have.
let's see if i can muster up an analogy here that would help get my point across regarding where mobile technology is headed:
Banks: own your house if you have a loan. have you by the balls, literally. you pay it, or you live outside. houses, are a necessity.
who are the ONLY people not being manhandled by the banks? people that already have it paid off. typically older people who are settled down.
Phone companies: own your cell phone service. have you by the balls. you pay it, or you no longer have it. cell phones, mobile technology, mobile networks - quickly becoming a way of life. you are looked at like you are a freak if you do not access internet on the go. who are the ONLY people that are not going to be manhandled by carriers in 10 years? when your desktop, laptop, etc... is now obsolete? the people who are on OLD ASS PHONE PLANS with unlimited call/text/DATAAAA.....
look at the average size of android app from 2009 to now, OS gets bigger, apps get bigger, network capacity has a need to be maximized. who will pay for that? people on t mobile's pay as you go plans? no. people who are getting SUCKED into "service agreements"....
want to be smart and prepare for doomsday? in a way that is comparable to the housing market plummeting? get on an unlimited call, text, and 4g plan now. and never buy another phone from a t mobile store ever again.
you will be one of those folks sitting in their nice pretty little classic looking cottage, all paid off, and you will be paying 79.99 a month for such service when others are paying 150...
just sayin.
oh, and rant over. but so true. watch
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LOL this is funny and very believable. im starting to look at my old G2x and thinking "well looks like its going to be me and you old friend til the end"! lol. I refuse to pay more!
Even if T-Mobile does get the iphone I don't forsee a large increase if any. T-Mobile is not in any position to raise prices being 4 in line. I just hope the network doesnt getting bogged down although that is a reality. T-Mobile may not have the coverage of Verizon/AT&T but they have pretty fast data if you are in theie general 3/hapsa+ network.
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http://forum.iphone-developers.com
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BaconStep said:
http://forum.iphone-developers.com
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Although this is not directly related to the s3, it has nothing to do with the development of the iphone. It's more so news about Tmobile and the Tmobile network, which the s3 runs on, so in turn can be affected.
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Doubt it. T-Mobile recently said they don't offer the iPhone because it would cost them money due to Apples terms.
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I consider myself a pretty run of the mill user. I don't tether data, have no need to. I've been with T-Mobile for a long time. And using iPhones.
AT&T with its new shared data plan is very comparable price wise, especially with multiple family lines.
Our 4 line T-Mobile plan can now be had on AT&T for about the same money.
My point? It might be to little to late for T-Mobile to be bringing the iPhone.....now.
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OP: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=261
This is a Galaxy S3 general forum as someone already pointed out.
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AT&T focus group

I am currently in a focus group and am looking for topics to bring up. Besides unlimited data what would you like me to use for topics?
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Faster update approval, no locked or encrypted bootloaders.
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Faster update approval, no locked or encrypted bootloaders.
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The Faster Upgrade is a good one. Not so sure this forum is the place for the Bootloaders. The forum seems to be mainly focused on services offered by AT&T.
How about telling them that their own U-verse app for their Uverse Service will not install or work on their Note 2 phone?
Keyword is this is major customer dissatisfier...
Let us tether without having to buy a separate tethering plan! Especially if we have the grandfathered unlimited data plan :laugh:
I would just like to have Internet all day without turning my phone off 2 to 6 times a day.
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Why do we have to wait for multi-view ..when other carriers already have it?!?!?!
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Let us tether without having to buy a separate tethering plan! Especially if we have the grandfathered unlimited data plan :laugh:
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This is my biggest issue as well as many others. Why can't we have both. Now don't hate me here... (I hardly ever use more then 2GB a month anyways) but, I think they should let us have free tethering with unlimited data and then they can slow us down after 5 GB. It would be a way so in emergency's it would be available and I wouldn't have to worry about incurring an addition cost.....
As for the we paid for unlimited argument... for me I never really use that much but I see the validity of the argument.
My proposal is simply: sure you can tether, but if you blow though all your data we are going to slow you down..... little steps my friends little steps.
I'd ask about markets with slow HSPA+ speeds. I'd heard that there's a difference between "HSPA+" and "HSPA+ with enhanced backhaul". Are they rolling out this "enhanced backhaul" to more markets, or are they just focusing on their slowly growing LTE?
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This is my biggest issue as well as many others. Why can't we have both. Now don't hate me here... (I hardly ever use more then 2GB a month anyways) but, I think they should let us have free tethering with unlimited data and then they can slow us down after 5 GB. It would be a way so in emergency's it would be available and I wouldn't have to worry about incurring an addition cost.....
As for the we paid for unlimited argument... for me I never really use that much but I see the validity of the argument.
My proposal is simply: sure you can tether, but if you blow though all your data we are going to slow you down..... little steps my friends little steps.
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I agree with you. I have AT&T's grandfathered 'unlimited' plan but I have never gone above 2GB in a month, except two months ago. I was travelling for business and tethered my laptop to my phone to stream some online videos and pushed 3GB while tethering. I got a letter in the mail next week telling me that I couldn't do that again after the 30th of the month or they would convert me to a tethering plan. I'm not asking to let me tether on my unlimited plan to let me push tens of GB's, I simply want to be able to tether my tablet or laptop while traveling for work.
I was going to get the 3g Nexus 7 but settled on the GN2 since I wouldn't have to either a) but a tethering plan for my SGS3 or b) buy a separate data plan for my new tablet. The GN2 solves the tablet issue for me (probably a separate thread altogether).
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The Faster Upgrade is a good one. Not so sure this forum is the place for the Bootloaders. The forum seems to be mainly focused on services offered by AT&T.
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Tell that to our One X and Atrix compatriots. Carriers dictate locked bootloaders (and the inability to unlock them, like at htcdev.com)
Ditto the need for faster OS upgrades from AT&T. If they want to keep customers, they'll have to learn to be more nimble. (Painful for a huge corporation, but it can be done.)
Tell them to lose Isis. The people want Google wallet, not Isis.
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I would like to see the primary line on a family plan get back the 12 month upgrade cycle.
Also, I think phone warranties should last at least until upgrade eligibility. Or, they should let people upgrade early if their phone breaks between warranty end and upgrade eligibility.
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Faster firmware updates, better communication about when we are going to get updates (Why do Sprint and Verizon have multiview, for example, but we don't? AT&T isn't saying anything about it), removal of bloatware from the ROMs/stop tinkering with ROMs, and find out why we don't have original packaging (anyone else miss their Samsung Tin or headphones?). You might also suggest unlimited LTE plans with 2-3 Gig plans for fallback 3G.
As an aside, I am happy with AT&T :good: as a carrier, and not only is my whole family with them, but so is my business. I can say (without any other connection to AT&T) that I have received exceptional service when I go to my local AT&T store.
I wanted to make sure and mention the positive because i have found more traction when bringing up some positives in these types of discussions, versus sounding like i am blasting them. I hope this helps you.
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I am currently in a focus group and am looking for topics to bring up. Besides unlimited data what would you like me to use for topics?
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I think in the big scheme of things the xda members are a fairly small segnent of the business, but that being said, we're not a bunch of dummies, we're all very up to date on what's available as far as equipment and which carrier has which features. So we're small, but educated, don't assume we're unaware of what other carriers are doing and what our phones are capable of.
1. Support Google Wallet
2. More options for data plans. As previous poster said, Allow unlimited data plans that have LTE for up to X amount of GB, then fall to 3G. Maybe even fall to EDGE after 10 GB.
3. Forget tethering nonsense. Data is data, does it matter whether it through the phone or tethered to a computer?
4. Maybe institute tiered fees to allow earlier upgrades of hardware while under contract. Maybe 100$ fee after 6 months, 50$ after a year, etc
5. Most important - faster OTA updates!!!
Plans to bring back favorite numbers? ie. unlimited calling to numbers saved as favorite numbers...
It's still offered on other providers(verizon) and i dont want to pay $30 for some messaging plan with free any mobile to mobile..
Give us tethering without having to pay extra for it.
Approve Samsungs firmware updates quicker.
Give me my Samsung original packaging, I want my headphones.
Tell then to update their piece of crap micro cell
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