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Why would Sprint market a phone with SenseUI when it's slow slow and laggy? I'm referring specifically to the home screen transitions. It's noticeably slower and not as smooth as Launcher Pro or ADW.
Is there anything that can be done about this? I like SenseUI, but ugh!
I otherwise LOVE this phone.
Use a tweak ROM like MikFroyo 4.5, ****s crazy fast.
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Use a tweak ROM like MikFroyo 4.5, ****s crazy fast.
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+1, although I put ADW on top and it's fan-freakin-tastic
Thanks for the suggestion! I really like SenseUI, but yeah... the stock is slow as hell. I notice things other things that seem slower than they should be for the hardware this phone has.
Then again... I'm used to running an overclocked Nexus One....
Thanks again.
I'll check out out tonight.
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Why would Sprint market a phone with SenseUI when it's slow slow and laggy? I'm referring specifically to the home screen transitions. It's noticeably slower and not as smooth as Launcher Pro or ADW.
Is there anything that can be done about this? I like SenseUI, but ugh!
I otherwise LOVE this phone.
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Just a thought and not sure it will work but have you tried installing SpareParts and setting the speeds all the way up?
I hear ya
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Just a thought and not sure it will work but have you tried installing SpareParts and setting the speeds all the way up?
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I worked on the nexus, vibrant and epic. Those phones have an ext4 partition. that pretty much fixes all lag. humming bird processors are like amd processors and snapdragon is like intel. you will never get that performance or PIZAZZ out of the evo. Blame it on the masonic influence but i think your desire to switch to the evo was pure marketing.
Ohh and the video is no where near 720p. I think the evo gets 25fps. No matter what app is designed to tell you false readings, your phone will never perform like the nexus. IN MY OPINION. I have all three up and going right now. Not only is the vibrant hd video camcorder 50000000000000000000000 times better, faster and defined but i am actually capturing cleaner smoother video on the samsung moment as we speak. I have all of the firmware and apk files from all phones but i know nothing of porting firmware. The harware on the evo quotes its own ability to handle such performance. I find it weird that it does not. Also most people will not respond to questions that challenge the capabilities of the evo. They are too busy trying to avoid the proof. which is clear as day
Now I cant side scroll on my wallpapers anymore after receiving the update from sprint last night.
That's correct. The previous official GB release for the original epic features wallpaper scrolling. The newer updated GB official release locks the wallpaper scrolling.
Wonder if it's more changes because of copyright.
.: sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch :.
Copyright?
Whatever, scrolling wallpaper sucks anyway...besides, they never got it perfectly smooth. Not on any launcher on any phone with or without hardware acceleration. It's been "smooth", "smooth ish" and "smooth enough" but they never ever nailed it...and let's not even get into performance with live wallpapers.
I'm not here to argue, I'm just here to vent. I've tweaked everything in the world, overclocked everything in the world etc etc etc so unless you really have an actual 100% solution that has somehow evaded me I'll just apologize up front for being so inflammatory.
...though there is an exception to all of that: NS4G
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Now I cant side scroll on my wallpapers anymore after receiving the update from sprint last night.
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it was broken in the el26 and el29 leaks also. wait for a dev to get their hands on it to fix it. calk is really good at that, it's fixed in his roms and most roms based off of his build.
I'm running el29 blazer and it's there
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Copyright?
Whatever, scrolling wallpaper sucks anyway...besides, they never got it perfectly smooth. Not on any launcher on any phone with or without hardware acceleration. It's been "smooth", "smooth ish" and "smooth enough" but they never ever nailed it...and let's not even get into performance with live wallpapers.
I'm not here to argue, I'm just here to vent. I've tweaked everything in the world, overclocked everything in the world etc etc etc so unless you really have an actual 100% solution that has somehow evaded me I'll just apologize up front for being so inflammatory.
...though there is an exception to all of that: NS4G
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Yes copyright, the exact reason for the design difference from euro, and software differences in recent updates.
Wall paper scrolling is smooth a butter on original epic I've found.
Even seems hardware accelerated scrolling end of home screen (screen 7) to beginning (screen 1)
But this wallpaper scrolling altogether seems nixed, not broken, since both epic devices are without this feature.
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Ok I fixed it on mine. Replace the Gallery3d.apk in the system app folder with this one.
Note : this is for deodexed only.
hayabusa1300cc said:
That's correct. The previous official GB release for the original epic features wallpaper scrolling. The newer updated GB official release locks the wallpaper scrolling.
Wonder if it's more changes because of copyright.
.: sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch :.
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Copyright, or patent? Very different things. And what patent would they be infringing, considering Android was doing wallpaper scrolling before the iPhone had wallpaper? I don't buy this as the reason.
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Copyright, or patent? Very different things. And what patent would they be infringing, considering Android was doing wallpaper scrolling before the iPhone had wallpaper? I don't buy this as the reason.
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Oh yeah my bad I meant patent. Got caught up in PIPA and SOPA.
But that was my best guess tho.
Makes no sense why they would remove such a thing.. luckily we live on XDA
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Ok I fixed it on mine. Replace the Gallery3d.apk in the system app folder with this one.
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Darn, that didn't work at all for me. Replaced with root explorer, rebooted, no effect.
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Ok I fixed it on mine. Replace the Gallery3d.apk in the system app folder with this one.
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This works perfectly. Gallery even seems a bit faster.
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Darn, that didn't work at all for me. Replaced with root explorer, rebooted, no effect.
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Did you move the old Gallery3D.apk? Did you get a prompt to overwrite?
Yeah, I overwrote the old gallery3d. Maybe I got the permissions messed up. Maybe I'll try again later. No big deal, just wanted to try it out on my nandroid of the EL29 leak. I nandroid'ed back to CalKulin's rom.
This doesn't make any sense to me that a patent would have anything to do with scrolling.that's been a feature of Android since day 1. I think it's an oversight.
Why do patents have to make sense? They are too overloaded at the patent office and after some basic inspection, issue the patent, and then defer to the litigation process to figure out if something is a really a valid patent or not.
Just because one person in the thread says "maybe it's a patent issue" doesn't mean it's actually a patent issue. Let's not just jump on the bandwagon. There's no logic to that being the cause. Isn't it entirely possible it's a bug nobody noticed?
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Just because one person in the thread says "maybe it's a patent issue" doesn't mean it's actually a patent issue. Let's not just jump on the bandwagon. There's no logic to that being the cause. Isn't it entirely possible it's a bug nobody noticed?
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I don't think it's a patent issue. I think it's, primarily, an implementation issue. Except in the rarest of circumstances it hasn't been perfect...and most of the time it hasn't been pretty. (those rare circumstances being the NS4G, as I have seen and the OG Epic as someone else has claimed...both the identical hardware platform...likely not a coincidence)....and Android isn't really set up to be the lowest-latency system, from the ground up.
Lately it's been driving me freaking crazy as the faster and faster phone I get the more I notice it. As the phone gets smoother and smoother and faster and faster the more obvious the latency problem is. Due to my 10+ years of digital audio production involvement (especially recording) I can "sense" as low as 10ms of latency....and we are nowhere near that low. I can't tell you what latency we are dealing with, but, 30-50ms doesn't seem unreasonable....for some that may be fast enough, but, it won't be "fast enough" until we are sub-10ms...preferably less than 5ms....0ms is impossible without a paradigm shift in digital computing...one that I can't even imagine or conceptualize.
I really wish they would work on this latency issue and getting screen refresh over 60hz reliably and consistently...That would work wonders for the perceived "smoothness" and "snappiness" of Android...cuz it's driving me freakin' nuts.
daneurysm said:
Copyright?
Whatever, scrolling wallpaper sucks anyway...besides, they never got it perfectly smooth. Not on any launcher on any phone with or without hardware acceleration. It's been "smooth", "smooth ish" and "smooth enough" but they never ever nailed it...and let's not even get into performance with live wallpapers.
I'm not here to argue, I'm just here to vent. I've tweaked everything in the world, overclocked everything in the world etc etc etc so unless you really have an actual 100% solution that has somehow evaded me I'll just apologize up front for being so inflammatory.
...though there is an exception to all of that: NS4G
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What have you been smoking. When I was stock (and still now) ANY live wallpaper doesn't slow down the stock launcher at all. This is the first android phone I've had that has no lags. Ever.....
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Ok I fixed it on mine. Replace the Gallery3d.apk in the system app folder with this one.
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Is this from/for a deodex'd EL29 by chance?
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rican408 said:
What have you been smoking. When I was stock (and still now) ANY live wallpaper doesn't slow down the stock launcher at all. This is the first android phone I've had that has no lags. Ever.....
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I wish that I could agree with you. The stock launcher is definitely the smoothest way to use a live wallpaper....but it still slowed things down noticeably and then your density is stuck at 240, which is simply comical IMHO.
Has anyone pulled TWlauncher.apk off of a galaxy note and tweaked density to match it? I always figured that would be our way out of being stuck at 240 or going with a non hardware accelerated launcher until ICS and ICS tuned launchers.
Hopefully this helps
timo2387 said:
Now I cant side scroll on my wallpapers anymore after receiving the update from sprint last night.
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With a custom ROM, this will work just fine. I initially had issues out of the box, and had to find a stock rom in order to get my phone working correctly with the ek02 modem. Anyways, following the threads from sfhub (my favorite poster), you can get the stock EL29 with or without data loss, then use auto root to install cwm, and flash a ROM. I currently use the new EL29 Blazer ROM, and it is amazing. I would give it a try. In the few short weeks of owning my epic 4g touch, switching from a jailbroken iphone, I have learned a lot.
Links of interest for this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1342728
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1433101
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=21917186
daneurysm said:
I don't think it's a patent issue. I think it's, primarily, an implementation issue. Except in the rarest of circumstances it hasn't been perfect...and most of the time it hasn't been pretty. (those rare circumstances being the NS4G, as I have seen and the OG Epic as someone else has claimed...both the identical hardware platform...likely not a coincidence)....and Android isn't really set up to be the lowest-latency system, from the ground up.
Lately it's been driving me freaking crazy as the faster and faster phone I get the more I notice it. As the phone gets smoother and smoother and faster and faster the more obvious the latency problem is. Due to my 10+ years of digital audio production involvement (especially recording) I can "sense" as low as 10ms of latency....and we are nowhere near that low. I can't tell you what latency we are dealing with, but, 30-50ms doesn't seem unreasonable....for some that may be fast enough, but, it won't be "fast enough" until we are sub-10ms...preferably less than 5ms....0ms is impossible without a paradigm shift in digital computing...one that I can't even imagine or conceptualize.
I really wish they would work on this latency issue and getting screen refresh over 60hz reliably and consistently...That would work wonders for the perceived "smoothness" and "snappiness" of Android...cuz it's driving me freakin' nuts.
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You must have very sensitive eyes, because the scrolling wallpaper doesn't seem to affect smoothness at all, and I suspect to the majority of others who use the phone as there have been no complaints about this issue.
Thus I think the removal of the scrolling ability of the wallpaper was more an oversight rather than Samsung removing it on purpose.
For those of you on Jelly Bean AOSP/AOKP ROMS, is there really a noticeable every day differences between an AOSP JB ROM and SAMMY ROM? I am talking about everyday usages not benchmarks. I am on a Sammy ROM and I don't notice any stuttering or lag when I'm switching through home screens, browsing the web etc. I see people on youtube swiping through the different home screens and app drawers and saying how JB is really smooth but I ask how much smoother can it be. I know that on the Galaxy Nexus hardware may have had a play, but with the GS3 is it really that much better or noticeable?
I just ask because I am not sure if I want to take the risk of installing an AOSP/AOKP Rom and loosing my IMEI.
Yes, I noticed a pretty significant difference. Everything opens up faster and its a smoother experience. Keep in mind though that its still not quite as smooth as can be just yet.
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Definitely
There is a difference in how smooth everything switches and transitions. One thing, though, I wouldn't base your decisions off of benchmarks. These are completely useless numbers because of the many variables from device to device. When I was on the stock ROM, it was nice and didn't glitch at all, but tended to be slow at times. ATM I'm running AOKP JB Preview and there's a world of difference. The pages are smoother and apps open and close faster. It really all comes down to preference though. If you can part with TW and the pretty cool sounds/effects of TW, then this is definitely worth it IMO.
Also. I had no problems with my IMEI. My flash counter has been bumped, but devs are currently working on getting a fix for that.
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There is a difference in how smooth everything switches and transitions. One thing, though, I wouldn't base your decisions off of benchmarks. These are completely useless numbers because of the many variables from device to device. When I was on the stock ROM, it was nice and didn't glitch at all, but tended to be slow at times. ATM I'm running AOKP JB Preview and there's a world of difference. The pages are smoother and apps open and close faster. It really all comes down to preference though. If you can part with TW and the pretty cool sounds/effects of TW, then this is definitely worth it IMO.
Also. I had no problems with my IMEI. My flash counter has been bumped, but devs are currently working on getting a fix for that.
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There has long long been a fix for the flash counter. Triangle away, check it out in the market.
I preordered my at&t lg g3 about a month ago with extremely high hopes, and coming from a jailbroken iPhone 5. Compared to it the UI functionality, battery life, screen resolution, openness of android, subpar camera quality, and many other features made me absolutely swoon over how amazing it was compared to that iPhone garbage. I have one really big problem with it though. Straight out of the box when I revived my lg, I have noticed major ui and app lag. Even after a month, the lag has remained persistent, even after many pointless factory reset and screwing around online to try to find a fix for the lag. I did root this phone, but I know good as well that rooting it did not do anything too the device to affect performance. I just installed some xposed modules such as removing the d delay between taking screenshots, the g3 tweaksbox from the play store (which I highly recommend paying 1.50 for three full version, it's Amazing), and getting rid of ads. The funny thing is, I expected my g3 to perform on par with smartphones with identical specifications, (snapdragon 801, krait 400, 3gb ram, 32gb memory). My brother has a galaxy s5, and I've run many tests between my phone and his, like app performance in games, opening/closing apps, antutu benchmarks, overall ui performance, and his phone basically destroys all off those tests against my phone. WHY?? I do realise that yes, the qhd screen does require more raw performance compared to fhd (I think I read somewhere it was 15%?), but most apps aren't optimised for qhd and put themselves to fhd, so why would a game like fruit ninja run at like 20 fps at fhd on my g3, and 60 fps on the s5, which is also rooted with the same amount of modules? And it's not just arcade fruit ninja either, games like temple run 2 lag when you get to a higher score, apps like tinberman open faster on my jailbroke iPhone 5 then my g3, and sometimes simple arcade games like don't touch the spikes have an occasiaonal stutter when you hit a spike, or just playing in general. I have also seen youtube videos of the g3 vs the s5 with opening apps and app performance, and they perform THE SAME! Plus the Ui didn't lag on YouTube either, my Ui scrolling between app pages (that's the Ui I'm mostly talking about, sometimes I also get lag in the stock browser and messaging app, but that's a different story) dips far below 30 fps, I would be able to tell if it was on YouTube because of the frame rate cap. I'm just fed up with it. I truly do love it though, in my opinion in has the best take on 4.4 kitkat I've seen, and coming from ios I still consider this ROM clean. Now for you, the xda forum what do you think I should do about my problem? I do not want any other phone but the g3. Should I unroot and flash stock Rom back onto my device and take it to at&t? I got this phone through the at&t next plan, so I'm not sure how they deal with warranties. Maybe they would give me a new device if I showed them the problems with it? I am running kitkat 4.4.2 if that helps.
Do what I did where.
Install the leaked 10j, remove the stock launcher and use nova. Also I you want it to fly do the high temp pro and thermal daemon mitigation mod. Be happy.
Like tntgdh I also put nova launcher and there is a little trick I use sony z2 live wallpaper from wssabi and set it to 60FPS. Phone is extra smooth. Under transittion effect od home screen i choose none or you can say generic google.
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You should notice smaller app load times, faster boot ups, and better battery if you switch to ART. However, Xposed currently doesn't support it, so you would have to disable it until Android L came along.
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Although there are many people out there who swear switching to ART does very little in terms of performance, I think it helps ALOT. Once i switched to ART i noticed the little stutters and little lags go away. My phone feels buttery smooth now. I also use nova launcher which is my launcher of choice, and it also performs buttery. I am very satisfied with its performance. Some may say I am just experiencing a placebo effect, but I think not.
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Although there are many people out there who swear switching to ART does very little in terms of performance, I think it helps ALOT. Once i switched to ART i noticed the little stutters and little lags go away. My phone feels buttery smooth now. I also use nova launcher which is my launcher of choice, and it also performs buttery. I am very satisfied with its performance. Some may say I am just experiencing a placebo effect, but I think not.
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Oh yeah it makes a difference for me too. I Decided to try Xposed after I changed to arp, so it reverted to dalvik. What a difference! I instantly noticed. So I ditched Xposed for now until it had support for arp.
One major thing was to install the 10j.
If you want something that will help a lot.. Install the 10j and use arp... Then if you wanna go further install nova and do the thermal mods.
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Oh yeah it makes a difference for me too. I Decided to try Xposed after I changed to arp, so it reverted to dalvik. What a difference! I instantly noticed. So I ditched Xposed for now until it had support for arp.
One major thing was to install the 10j. The 60fps are making the difference.
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What is this 10j you speak of?
It's the latest leaked firmware. There is a topic here até the forum about the 10j firmware that has the mega link for it. Since I installed I have a beast in your hands.
Give it a try.
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It's the latest leaked firmware. There is a topic here até the forum about the 10j firmware that has the mega link for it. Since I installed I have a beast in your hands.
Give it a try.
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Can you link me this 10j
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Can you link me this 10j
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You could do some search, but here you go: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=54757978&postcount=851
I use Google launcher and use every performance mod but i dont have butter feeling.
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You could do some search, but here you go: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=54757978&postcount=851
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Are you able to use this for the AT&T version of the phone?
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Are you able to use this for the AT&T version of the phone?
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No. It's for the d855.
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No. It's for the d855.
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Okay, thanks! The OP mentioned they had the AT&T version, so I wanted to make sure I didn't miss something. I'd love to be able to flash firmware and get rid of the lag on this phone, but it seems as though I'm stuff. I've tried every fix mentioned so far in this forum, but nothing's worked.
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Okay, thanks! The OP mentioned they had the AT&T version, so I wanted to make sure I didn't miss something. I'd love to be able to flash firmware and get rid of the lag on this phone, but it seems as though I'm stuff. I've tried every fix mentioned so far in this forum, but nothing's worked.
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Yea same here. I wondered why it was mentioned being that the OP said he/she has an ATT G3.
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Even on a super fast device like this one, Touchwiz is still garbage in terms of fluidity and smoothness compared to Sense. 6
I just switched from HTC One M8, and it was smoother than Touchwiz in almost every respect. Sure, some scenarios are nearly indistinguishable on both devices in terms of smoothness, but some are really bad on Note 4.
For example, whenever something happens in the background that requires storage access, the Note starts to chug.
Do this test on your device. Start updating 5-10 apps in the Play Store, then go and scroll in some other app. You will see immediately that the scrolling becomes jerky and sometimes stops completely for half a second when a new app starts updating. Sense doesn't do that. If you've never played with Sense 6, I suggest you go to a store and check it out - it's completely smooth regardless of what happens in the background.
It's as if Sense can utilize only idle cpu cycles for background processes, so everything remains smooth and fluid at all times, while Note 4 appears to give full real time priority for certain routines of background processes. For a modern flagship devices, this is unacceptable.
I really hope we can get root very soon, so developers can possibly fix this travesty.
How do we get Samsung to care about this? I took their survey from the email I got. I focused on speed and performance. How else can we alert Samsung? That people who care about speed and performance should have a voice?
Touchwiz is sorta like windows vista lmao
I doubt anyone on XDA uses Touchwiz versus Nova and the other choices.
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I doubt anyone on XDA uses Touchwiz versus Nova and the other choices.
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Touchwiz here refers to the entire Android "skin, " not just the launcher. You will have jerky performance of the kind I described in the op with Nova and any other launcher.
I have used Nova for years and the performance blows TW out of the water. No "jerkiness" at all.
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I doubt anyone on XDA uses Touchwiz versus Nova and the other choices.
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Tons of people use the TouchWiz launcher. Nova is nice, and I used it on my g3, but I need the stock widgets that can't be replicated.
OP. I agree to a point. Touchwiz is much more fluid that in the past. It has hiccups, but it's a trade off for feature rich software. It's odd, because the g3 lacked features and lagged worse than any phone I've owned. The m8 is buttery smooth, but it's also boring.
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I have used Nova for years and the performance blows TW out of the water. No "jerkiness" at all.
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You didn't even read what I wrote did you?
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Tons of people use the TouchWiz launcher. Nova is nice, and I used it on my g3, but I need the stock widgets that can't be replicated.
OP. I agree to a point. Touchwiz is much more fluid that in the past. It has hiccups, but it's a trade off for feature rich software. It's odd, because the g3 lacked features and lagged worse than any phone I've owned. The m8 is buttery smooth, but it's also boring.
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I don't think it's a trade off. It feels like there's a fundamental problem with the way the skin is programmed by Samsung.
But I'm not an expert. It would be nice if a developer could chime in.
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You didn't even read what I wrote did you?
I don't think it's a trade off. It feels like there's a fundamental problem with the way the skin is programmed by Samsung.
But I'm not an expert. It would be nice if a developer could chime in.
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You bet... Nova is far less laggy than touchwiz.
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You bet... Nova is far less laggy than touchwiz.
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Please stop derailing the thread. Touchwiz is an android skin, not just the launcher. You can't use Nova while scrolling in a web browser, can you?
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Please stop derailing the thread. Touchwiz is an android skin, not just the launcher. You can't use Nova while scrolling in a web browser, can you?
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LOLOL he is just not getting what you're saying dude... give up on him... the rest of us understand exactly what you mean... cannot wait for root.... hopeful after reading the last few posts of this thread ---> http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-verizon/general/talk-root-t2908919/page18# we may be getting somewhere...
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You didn't even read what I wrote did you?
I don't think it's a trade off. It feels like there's a fundamental problem with the way the skin is programmed by Samsung.
But I'm not an expert. It would be nice if a developer could chime in.
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I'm not an expert either, but it's obvious, at least to me, that the more you cram into an OS..the more it taxes the hardware/software.
It is a tradeoff because everyone who has owned a Samsung device knows it will be this way..so we trade off butter smoothness for software features. Maybe Samsung will figure it out one day, maybe they won't.
HTC was the same way until they stripped Sense down to barebones. While it is nice to scroll on the m8, it is also boring for me to have such a generic feeling device. It's all about preference.
My N4 is very smooth. Especially compared to my G3. Only thing that lags is the recent apps button up, which is a bit disappointing as I use that all the time.
I agree with the issues with tw. Part of it has to do with the work on the Java threads which is why the choreographer process always drops frames which is the jitter. The kernels are also tuned differently and more for stability than anything else.
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I'm not an expert either, but it's obvious, at least to me, that the more you cram into an OS..the more it taxes the hardware/software.
It is a tradeoff because everyone who has owned a Samsung device knows it will be this way..so we trade off butter smoothness for software features. Maybe Samsung will figure it out one day, maybe they won't.
HTC was the same way until they stripped Sense down to barebones. While it is nice to scroll on the m8, it is also boring for me to have such a generic feeling device. It's all about preference.
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Since you've made it abundantly clear that the launcher is a separate issue, how is sense boring, not counting the launcher?
Just about every Android Ive ever used gets herky jerky when apps are installing. Thunderbolt, GNex, Note 3, etc.
Samsung should be able to tune the response in things like recent apps though. I was using a DROID RAZR M recently and recent apps pops up instantly on that old thing. The Note 4 takes a good second or three to bring up recent apps depending how many recent apps are in there.
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Since you've made it abundantly clear that the launcher is a separate issue, how is sense boring, not counting the launcher?
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Actually. Where did I make it abundantly clear? May want to pay attention to what you read. Wasn't me.
Sense is boring to me. It's generic, doesn't offer a fraction of the software features and customization that samsung/LG offer. That's the tradeoff for being so smooth..and that's what I was talking about. Not the launcher.
I'm enjoying touch wiz. I don't see how u guys don't like it. If u don't like it then just don't buy a Samsung phone.
It's more of a fundamental issue with android in general. Here is an older article, but it explains the issue pretty well.
http://techland.time.com/2011/12/07/is-android-doomed-to-lag-more-than-ios/
Maybe lollipop will change how the UI is rendered , maybe not. But I don't think the lagginess is the sole product of touchwiz. Touchwiz does not modify the deep level coding that controls CPU access prority, ISR behavior, etc. Seems like Samsung is trying to do the best with what they got.
Here is some follow up on the guys original post where google developers comment.
https://plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z13fzt2wrwaxwjqxc04cdx0jsve5hhl4b04
While I'm not a software engineer, I am an electrical and computer engineer. I quit my full time job and went back to school at 30 because I was tired of not being educated enough to understand the things I had questions about.
It's funny.. the more I learned the more I realized how astonishingly difficult it was/is to build the technology we have today. The amount of engineering that goes into designing today's modern processors is incredible. Now that I am "in the know" with exactly how these things work, it's a lot easier for me to understand the milestones and why things are the way they are (heat dissapation in modern multicore CPUs is one of those things that is hard to solve and even harder to explain to the layman why it's hard to solve, a commanding grasp of quantum physics and modern microscale transistor design theory is needed) and I don't get bothered by it, I realize that it's being worked on and I can identify the subtle improvements and I recognize the significance of those improvements.
The point is, it's easy to "blame" samsung or Google for the stuttering you are experiencing, but it's better to recognize the progress that's being made. The problem is not trivial to solve and to think it is or that "it should have been fixed by now" is really naive.
crazed_z06 said:
Just about every Android Ive ever used gets herky jerky when apps are installing. Thunderbolt, GNex, Note 3, etc.
Samsung should be able to tune the response in things like recent apps though. I was using a DROID RAZR M recently and recent apps pops up instantly on that old thing. The Note 4 takes a good second or three to bring up recent apps depending how many recent apps are in there.
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This is really the thing that bothers me the most. Bringing up recent apps is SO SLOW. There is a huge delay when you press that button. It really makes that feature useless for the stuff I use most, because I can just hit the home button and the app shortcut faster than using recent apps.