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Ok, this has been an ongoing longtime frustration of mine with the Android operating system. There are always numerous apps installed on my phone which are running in the background constantly, AND I DON'T WANT THEM TO BE!! I use Advanced task killer to kill them, but you can sit there and watch them all come back within a minute or two. I want something that will keep these apps from ever starting unless I manually start them myself. Is there anything that will do that?
You could get bloat freezer and freeze them. This effectively acts as though they are uninstalled, except you can unfreeze them at any time in case you need them.
This is in the wrong section, but if you use the "back" button or the app's "exit" button it will properly close the app. Don't use the home button or it'll just put the app in the background.
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The problem is not with closing apps. I could restart the phone. Then run task killer and kill all open apps, and 2 minutes later, there would still be 10 or more apps running in the background. I will try this bloat thing.
Your gonna do more damage than help by killing all those tasks. A lot of them are stuff the phone needs to operate properly. And, in general, task killers are just not a good idea for use with Android.
Read up:
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
http://lifehacker.com/5650894/andro...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
If you wanna get rid of the pre-installed bloatware, thats fine. But don't go killing everything thats running on the phone.
can automatically stop certain programs from auto-starting? I downloaded the wonderful Elixir 2 program and it showed me (and yes, I know that the OS would have showed as well), that apps like Stocks, First Aid, and Trillian were loaded/running even though I had not started these apps since the last reboot.
Is there a way to stop rogue apps from autostarting?
Why do you need to stop them? What makes you think that they shouldn't start?
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Well, I am not sure WHY they need to start, but I am sure that they take up memory. "First Aid" is certainly an app that can start up when needed, no need to run in the background. Same for the others.
That said, the original question remains. Anyone know of an app that can adjust the autostart of apps that have no business starting automatically?
Haven't tried it but may be worth a look:
http://www.appbrain.com/app/autorun-manager/com.rs.autorun
Interesting
First - Thank you for responding to the question! I have downloaded and run the app. It certainly professes to do what I was asking. Stopped some apps from loading, but others seem to be more persistent (does Titanium Backup need to run on boot? MyBackupPro? Don't think so). Thank you!
Read the hundreds of posts on task killers. Unless you are having a problem with a particular app, it is best left alone. If the memory being used for the app in question is "needed", android will kill it on its own.
Deleted because I realized I do not need to stoop to respond to nonhelpful posts (but really, people. when is "read random amorphous posts which are not on topic" a response).
only came across 2 apps that run constantly in background vs cached like their supposed to. Fbook and okcupid. autostart managers sorta work but they break functions
In a perfect world, every app on your device would start at boot and reside in RAM. I've never understood this idea that killing apps somehow conserves resources or saves power, because it does neither. In fact, it does the OPPOSITE. For instance, Trillian: Do you REALLY want to kill it whenever you're not using it, only to reopen it the next time you want to use it? That eats about 4 times more power than just leaving it running. NOTHING your cpu does eats more power than reading and writing to NAND. RAM should be as full as possible all of the time with as many apps as are recently or likely to be used. RAM operations consume FAR less power than NAND operations. Unless the app is simply an abusive piece of crap, like Amazon's market and music apps, there's usually a reason for them to run. Titanium Backup never starts unless it's got a reason to, in my experience, such as scheduled auto-backup operations. The better question to ask is why apps are starting at boot, not "Where can I get one more resource-hogging app to whip bad behavior into shape?"
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In a perfect world, every app on your device would start at boot and reside in RAM. I've never understood this idea that killing apps somehow conserves resources or saves power, because it does neither. In fact, it does the OPPOSITE. For instance, Trillian: Do you REALLY want to kill it whenever you're not using it, only to reopen it the next time you want to use it? That eats about 4 times more power than just leaving it running. NOTHING your cpu does eats more power than reading and writing to NAND. RAM should be as full as possible all of the time with as many apps as are recently or likely to be used. RAM operations consume FAR less power than NAND operations. Unless the app is simply an abusive piece of crap, like Amazon's market and music apps, there's usually a reason for them to run. Titanium Backup never starts unless it's got a reason to, in my experience, such as scheduled auto-backup operations. The better question to ask is why apps are starting at boot, not "Where can I get one more resource-hogging app to whip bad behavior into shape?"
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I agree with this 100%.
Yes But
Yes - I get all that, but it bugs the heck out of me that some of these apps feel the need to auto run and worse still, are classified as "self restarter" by the recommended app.
On a cold power-up (I charge with the power off), and without running any apps (in response to the Titanium reference above), the following apps not only started, but restarted when stopped: Appstore, Ebay, Elixir, Mortplayer Audio Book, MyBackup Pro, ROM Manager, Stocks, Titanium Backup, Trillian, Wordsmith, and XDA. Mind you, I am not including apps that SHOULD start up (swype, timeriffic, lookout, etc).
Why any of those apps start on power-on is beyond me, and why almost all of them are set by their respective authors to restart if they are shut down, is even more perplexing. Hence my desire to try to reign them in, especially since they are taking 20MB each of RAM. That's the story
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Yes - I get all that, but it bugs the heck out of me that some of these apps feel the need to auto run and worse still, are classified as "self restarter" by the recommended app.
On a cold power-up (I charge with the power off), and without running any apps (in response to the Titanium reference above), the following apps not only started, but restarted when stopped: Appstore, Ebay, Elixir, Mortplayer Audio Book, MyBackup Pro, ROM Manager, Stocks, Titanium Backup, Trillian, Wordsmith, and XDA. Mind you, I am not including apps that SHOULD start up (swype, timeriffic, lookout, etc).
Why any of those apps start on power-on is beyond me, and why almost all of them are set by their respective authors to restart if they are shut down, is even more perplexing. Hence my desire to try to reign them in, especially since they are taking 20MB each of RAM. That's the story
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Got me on a few of those, but other ones make all kinds of sense. Any app store sort of app is going to start to authenticate with the service. Amazon is known to do this abusively. The same would probably apply with audio books. MyBackup Pro is probably assuming there's a scheduled function to perform. Stocks is just part of Sense and it doesn't go away. TiBU has never started on any device I've had it on unless 1 of 2 things was the case; I ran the widget or had something scheduled. Trillian SHOULD start up because it's a chat client. If it's not running, it's not much good as a chat client. Not sure what Wordsmith is. XDA will start because it's set by default to sync on a regular basis if you're signed into it.
I don't know what to tell you. You're probably never going to find a way of permanently killing an app connected to a market, and if you do, whatever you use from that market probably won't work right. The best I can say is figure out why those apps you listed do what they do. There's probably a reason that can be fixed or better understood. Some, like Trillian, will self-start no matter what because failure to do so is a MUCH more aggravating issue than the app starting with nothing to do.
only 2 I have that aggravate me is Fbook and okcupid. understandable if both run and autostart for push capabilities but I've disabled sync and push and still runs in background vs cached in background like it's supposed to
dyetheskin said:
only 2 I have that aggravate me is Fbook and okcupid. understandable if both run and autostart for push capabilities but I've disabled sync and push and still runs in background vs cached in background like it's supposed to
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I don't think Facebook is worried about their app being accused of greatness or winning development awards!
loonatik78 said:
In a perfect world, every app on your device would start at boot and reside in RAM. I've never understood this idea that killing apps somehow conserves resources or saves power, because it does neither. In fact, it does the OPPOSITE. For instance, Trillian: Do you REALLY want to kill it whenever you're not using it, only to reopen it the next time you want to use it? That eats about 4 times more power than just leaving it running. NOTHING your cpu does eats more power than reading and writing to NAND. RAM should be as full as possible all of the time with as many apps as are recently or likely to be used. RAM operations consume FAR less power than NAND operations. Unless the app is simply an abusive piece of crap, like Amazon's market and music apps, there's usually a reason for them to run. Titanium Backup never starts unless it's got a reason to, in my experience, such as scheduled auto-backup operations. The better question to ask is why apps are starting at boot, not "Where can I get one more resource-hogging app to whip bad behavior into shape?"
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True however some of the apps that are residing in RAM, pop up and do updates and checks that do eat data and cpu than if they were killed. Most apps don't do this and typically it's bad to kill apps because the act of killing it uses CPU and especially the act of that app starting back up uses more CPU.
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RAM is not an issue so don't even consider it one, even if your RAM is full it doesn't matter. This doesn't run like Windows does where things slow down if you don't have enough RAM.
Most apps that use resources in the background I uninstall, but for others (I think I only do this to 1 app) you can use "autostarts" to disable them from starting upon launch, or stopping them from starting upon other events that may trigger an app to automatically start
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.elsdoerfer.android.autostarts&hl=en
It has much more control over when apps automatically launch than the other app I saw posted on the main page- also it doesn't kill them, just prevents them from starting so it's not like an app killer.
Hope this was what you were looking for.
Let it be
Just let the programs start to let the phone fully awaken
Then kill the apps with any klling apps app task killers and so on
gutiejor said:
Just let the programs start to let the phone fully awaken
Then kill the apps with any klling apps app task killers and so on
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No. Don't do this.
POQbum said:
True however some of the apps that are residing in RAM, pop up and do updates and checks that do eat data and cpu than if they were killed. Most apps don't do this and typically it's bad to kill apps because the act of killing it uses CPU and especially the act of that app starting back up uses more CPU.
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RAM is not an issue so don't even consider it one, even if your RAM is full it doesn't matter. This doesn't run like Windows does where things slow down if you don't have enough RAM.
Most apps that use resources in the background I uninstall, but for others (I think I only do this to 1 app) you can use "autostarts" to disable them from starting upon launch, or stopping them from starting upon other events that may trigger an app to automatically start
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.elsdoerfer.android.autostarts&hl=en
It has much more control over when apps automatically launch than the other app I saw posted on the main page- also it doesn't kill them, just prevents them from starting so it's not like an app killer.
Hope this was what you were looking for.
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I use autostarts also on startup and when I'm running I use auto memory manager both great apps
I have been using Autostarts for a long time now and am very pleased with it.
gutiejor said:
Just let the programs start to let the phone fully awaken
Then kill the apps with any klling apps app task killers and so on
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I read that this is a bad habit carried over from pre-froyo days where memory management was different and this was recommended then. I don't have a link but trust me and don't just kill stuff like that.
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Whenever i clear the ram on the phone, it seems to move all the applications on my home screen around, making me put them into their places all over again. Anybody know why this is happening?
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Well this is awkward a bit
Try to use the stock ram cleaner & tbh i never encounter that issue atall
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that;s the one im using, the stock ram cleaner, when you hold down the home button, bottom left and click on RAM then clear memory. That's when it happens :S
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCh7z5EwYF8
Know the Difference Between Good and Bad High RAM Usage
"Sometimes people like to panic when their computer's resources seem to be maxed out. While CPUs and hard disks may suffer from high usage, RAM doesn't necessarily slow down your computer when it appears to be running low."
http://lifehacker.com/5958598/know-the-difference-between-good-and-bad-high-ram-usage
Whether your RAM is full of cached files or completely empty, it's all available for programs that really need it. Cached data in your RAM is marked as low-priority, and it's instantly discarded as soon as the memory is needed for something else. Because this data can be instantly discarded when necessary, there's no disadvantage to using the RAM for cache. (The one potential disadvantage is users who don't understand what's going on becoming confused.)
Empty RAM is useless. It's not any faster for the computer to write data to empty RAM, nor does empty RAM use less power. In fact, assuming you're launching a program that may already be present in your RAM's file cache, programs will load much faster when your RAM is used rather than when it's empty.
LLanito said:
Whenever i clear the ram on the phone, it seems to move all the applications on my home screen around, making me put them into their places all over again. Anybody know why this is happening?
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You mean to say it refreshes the whol3 screen after you clear ram?
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tbh, when i cleared the ram, it would remove dolphin browser and the stock msg app into the all app folders for some reason. si id have to put them back to their place every time.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCh7z5EwYF8
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hahahahah wtf
So i really love the look, feel, options and performance of a clean fresh install of AOKP. However, the more apps i install and use the slower the performance of the UI gets. It slowly gets unbearable, seemingly, as i add back my apps that i like. Is this normal? I've tried a memory manager called Auto Memory Manager but that didn't seem to help at all. Is this just a consequence of having lots of apps installed? It's almost like i'm on an old windows machine and it needs to have a clean install every couple of months to get the "snappy" ui feel back. It bad enough sometimes where it takes the phone 5-10 seconds to actually answer a call once I click answer and 5 seconds to get to the home screen. What can i do?
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So i really love the look, feel, options and performance of a clean fresh install of AOKP. However, the more apps i install and use the slower the performance of the UI gets. It slowly gets unbearable, seemingly, as i add back my apps that i like. Is this normal? I've tried a memory manager called Auto Memory Manager but that didn't seem to help at all. Is this just a consequence of having lots of apps installed? It's almost like i'm on an old windows machine and it needs to have a clean install every couple of months to get the "snappy" ui feel back. It bad enough sometimes where it takes the phone 5-10 seconds to actually answer a call once I click answer and 5 seconds to get to the home screen. What can i do?
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flash vanir 4.3.1 build nightlies, you'll be SHOCKED on how fast it is,
shriom_manerker said:
flash vanir 4.3.1 build nightlies, you'll be SHOCKED on how fast it is,
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I've falshed it and i'm getting all my apps installed on it now to give it a go.
Do all ROM's get slower as you install more apps?
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Do all ROM's get slower as you install more apps?
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Yes, and from my perspective it's because many apps you install tend to automatically start as you e.g. power up the phone, turn on WiFi/data, etc. and then they keep running and taking CPU time and RAM in the background. Common task killers won't solve this easily. Best way to verify is to stop everything possible from Settings-Apps-Running.
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TurbineTester said:
I've falshed it and i'm getting all my apps installed on it now to give it a go.
Do all ROM's get slower as you install more apps?
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yes and no, yes if you install apps that sit in the background and start using data,check for updates constantly like facebook, the best thing to do is to use greenify and greenify that app so that it doesnt wake up your device and start eating ram n data. also note that if u do this to messenger apps you wont get notifications unless you open the app
shriom_manerker said:
yes and no, yes if you install apps that sit in the background and start using data,check for updates constantly like facebook, the best thing to do is to use greenify and greenify that app so that it doesnt wake up your device and start eating ram n data. also note that if u do this to messenger apps you wont get notifications unless you open the app
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I've got all my apps up and runnign on Vanir now, and i will agree that it is far snappier than AOKP. However it has frozen on me twice. And i mean a hard freeze. Screen got stuck, audio looping on last few milisecs of sound and i had to pull the battery to get it out of the freeze.
Today, i got the first dose of it being slow like AOKP again. It was while it was charging in my car dock and i was trying to dial a phone number using rocket dial.
What are some typical apps that i should try to greenify? Sounds like i shouldn't greenify anything i want notificatinos from like phone, messaging and email. Anything else i should greenify or not greenify? Any tips on the freezing?
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I've got all my apps up and runnign on Vanir now, and i will agree that it is far snappier than AOKP. However it has frozen on me twice. And i mean a hard freeze. Screen got stuck, audio looping on last few milisecs of sound and i had to pull the battery to get it out of the freeze.
Today, i got the first dose of it being slow like AOKP again. It was while it was charging in my car dock and i was trying to dial a phone number using rocket dial.
What are some typical apps that i should try to greenify? Sounds like i shouldn't greenify anything i want notificatinos from like phone, messaging and email. Anything else i should greenify or not greenify? Any tips on the freezing?
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wow thats very weird ! one thing ive noticed is that if your internal storage (sdcard) space is less than 5 gb the phone tends to slow down. im guessing you fall under this criteria. ive never had any lags or freezes on vanir's builds till today, if you want the most stable build of 4.3 its the 26/10/2013 nightly by newclearmistake. ive found that as the most stable one and reliable one till now
I've been noticing some slight lag in unlocking, the screen coming on, etc on my new Note 4 from time to time. I've found that going in the app switcher thing and clearing all remedies the issue for a bit.
I was curious recently and looked at the RAM usage in that screen and was surprised to see that ~2.1GB of RAM was being used, even after clearing all recent apps.
Is it normal for the thing to be using over 2GB of RAM at all times? This seems very strange to me.
Thoughts?
rmp5s said:
I've been noticing some slight lag in unlocking, the screen coming on, etc on my new Note 4 from time to time. I've found that going in the app switcher thing and clearing all remedies the issue for a bit.
I was curious recently and looked at the RAM usage in that screen and was surprised to see that ~2.1GB of RAM was being used, even after clearing all recent apps.
Is it normal for the thing to be using over 2GB of RAM at all times? This seems very strange to me.
Thoughts?
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I'm pretty sure its normal because mine is also using 2GB after clearing all. After a reboot, it dropped to 1.6GB before manually launching any application. I'm pretty sure Android is designed this way.
The way android is made and runs, it uses almost all RAM at all times... Basically "unused RAM is wasted RAM." All of our phones have run this way since the time of I'm.
Now, with respect to lag, that's all the bloatware forcing itself to be the main process or close to it. Only way is to fully delete (not only disable) all of them and their underlying processes.
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greekunit690 said:
The way android is made and runs, it uses almost all RAM at all times... Basically "unused RAM is wasted RAM." All of our phones have run this way since the time of I'm.
Now, with respect to lag, that's all the bloatware forcing itself to be the main process or close to it. Only way is to fully delete (not only disable) all of them and their underlying processes.
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Thanks for the replies, guys. Just waiting on root, then bloatware will be gone.
greekunit690 said:
The way android is made and runs, it uses almost all RAM at all times... Basically "unused RAM is wasted RAM." All of our phones have run this way since the time of I'm.
Now, with respect to lag, that's all the bloatware forcing itself to be the main process or close to it. Only way is to fully delete (not only disable) all of them and their underlying processes.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A
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Well said..
Only time I have lag on the lockscreen is with a sub par sd card. Once I got rid of that junker the lag went away. Try removing your SD card and see if that fixes the lag.