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HTC Evo brightness outdoors?

I did not see anywhere with this information. I would like to know if it is easy to see outdoors. This has been a problem for some devices and I thought that AMOLED was going to be better at this so I am surprised that this is TFT.
Thanks in advance to those lucky enough to have one.
Zar

Actually, it is the opposite. The TFT LCD screen is easier to see in sunlight than the AMOLED. The HTC Incredible is very bad in the sunlight. My iPhone with it's LCD was perfecftly readable in direct sunlight and I suspect the Evo will be as well.

with brightness on full, i am able to read it in direct sunlight, but it's kind of hard to see.

chazglenn3 said:
Actually, it is the opposite. The TFT LCD screen is easier to see in sunlight than the AMOLED. The HTC Incredible is very bad in the sunlight. My iPhone with it's LCD was perfecftly readable in direct sunlight and I suspect the Evo will be as well.
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Not necessarily, your iphone has a transflective like display, making it superior for outdoor view-ability. Most LCDs are not transflective/similar. I have a similar post asking the same general question here:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=693013 if you watch the video from 2:20 on, you will see the iphone in general is 100x better than most LCD and OLED screens currently being used. But what the Evo has I don't know.

Thanks
Thanks for answering my question and the additional info regarding Transreflectinve LCD's.
All in all, I don't think that this will prevent me from getting one. My current WinMo phone already has this problem.
Regards,
Zar

i love HTC but all their device are horrible in sunlight including the SUPERSONIC.u'll c when u get one.

I had it in bright sunlight the other day. It is definitely not bright like inside, but definitely readable (way better than my old Tilt). But you do still have to deal with glare on that super shiny screen, so adjusting the angle a little may be necessary sometimes.

HTC to switch from AMOLED to STFT due to shortages

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http://androidheadlines.com/2010/06/htc-switch-to-stft-lcd-from-amoled-due-to-shortages.html
this could be a rumour but if true, I'm going to be a lot more careful with my desire.

I heard this as well. How will this affect battery life and do they look anywhere near as good?

LCDs these days are almost as good as AMOLED. Note that I said almost. I don't think anything can compare to an AMOLED or SuperAMOLED in regular inside environments, but when you get outside and the sun is shining, it's almost as if the screen isn't on. I have to put the brightness all of the way up to see the screen. LCDs don't have that problem. So If you don't know which you have in a new phone, you probably wont be able to tell unless you're outside! muahaha.

Hmm. I'm glad I already have the Desire...
As far as I know, AMOLED gives better viewing angles, has better colors and is better for battery life (which is a pain on Android phones).

Also, an AMOLED is better than LCD for showing true black or darker shades due to the lack of a backlight which is in LCD screens
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Maybe this will finally prevent the pinkish issue on some HTC AMOLED devices.

Well, Sony's TFTs shouldn't have PenTile, which should make text sharper and really ought to get rid of the pink tint. It's a trade-off; personally I'd rather have TFT with RGB subpixels, but it seems to be a minority opinion.

according to engadget, they say the Iphone 4 screen is better then the Galaxy S Super ALMOLED.
Even though I hate Iphone I must admit, the screen does look good.

Nekromantik said:
according to engadget, they say the Iphone 4 screen is better then the Galaxy S Super ALMOLED.
Even though I hate Iphone I must admit, the screen does look good.
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The screen could be good, but i don't understand why apple did't made the screen bigger.

Iphone 4 screen is awesome, nice colours & perfectly viewable from a variety of angles. Pin sharp & very very clear. But its a bit too small for my liking.

Doesn't the iphone use ips technology or is that the same as super lcd (because this is the first time i hear of super lcd)

Mithent said:
Well, Sony's TFTs shouldn't have PenTile, which should make text sharper and really ought to get rid of the pink tint. It's a trade-off; personally I'd rather have TFT with RGB subpixels, but it seems to be a minority opinion.
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Agree 100% (love AMOLED, but hate PenTile). If someone ever offer me to change my Desire to normal LCD Desire i would be over the moon. I hope HTC will make ones. Maybe, just one for me

Nekromantik said:
according to engadget, they say the Iphone 4 screen is better then the Galaxy S Super ALMOLED.
Even though I hate Iphone I must admit, the screen does look good.
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What the Engadget article really showed was that in NORMAL use there was no discernible advantage to the iPhone 4 screen.
Being the Apple shills that they are they resorted to the retarded microscope comparisons. IF you have to show what the pixels look like under a microscope to get what the difference is then there's no difference.

SLCD2 vs Super Amoled HD

I thought I might start a discussion. I have a One X on pre order and will give my Gnex to my wife.
After reading Paul O'briens review of the One X I must say that the screen sounds amazing. Is LCD the future? Is Amoled no longer the best?

Was it ever the best? Some people prefer OLED screens some prefer LCD.

robt772000 said:
I thought I might start a discussion. I have a One X on pre order and will give my Gnex to my wife.
After reading Paul O'briens review of the One X I must say that the screen sounds amazing. Is LCD the future? Is Amoled no longer the best?
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Where did you read his review please?
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jameslfc5 said:
Where did you read his review please?
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This??

knightrocker said:
This??
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Thanks, I'd found that but want sure if he meant that one as it doesn't really seem like a review
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robt772000 said:
I thought I might start a discussion. I have a One X on pre order and will give my Gnex to my wife.
After reading Paul O'briens review of the One X I must say that the screen sounds amazing. Is LCD the future? Is Amoled no longer the best?
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No, Amoled is still the future. However, right now LCD currently is the best, since LCD has best battery life and non-pentile with ultra-high resolution. Why I say Amoled is the future it is because amoled has not require back-light which means you saw dark is completely dark, high colour saturation, 100% viewing angle and thinner. However, it has poor battery life when display white images(almost 3x higher power consumption than IPS-LCD display), too high contrast, too high colour saturation but already solved by now and high cost. That is why everyone right now prefer IPS/S.LCD 2 over HD S.Amoled. If Samsung solve this problem should be 1 year or 2. Then, LCD will be dead.

w1nter456 said:
No, Amoled is still the future. However, right now LCD currently is the best, since LCD has best battery life and non-pentile with ultra-high resolution. Why I say Amoled is the future it is because amoled has not require back-light which means you saw dark is completely dark, high colour saturation, 100% viewing angle and thinner. However, it has poor battery life when display white images(almost 3x higher power consumption than IPS-LCD display), too high contrast, too high colour saturation but already solved by now and high cost. That is why everyone right now prefer IPS/S.LCD 2 over HD S.Amoled. If Samsung solve this problem should be 1 year or 2. Then, LCD will be dead.
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HTC announced that the SLCD2 that they are using has been modified by HTC.
To give fantastic contrast levels & to improve the contrast levels.

chrisjcks said:
HTC announced that the SLCD2 that they are using has been modified by HTC.
To give fantastic contrast levels & to improve the contrast levels.
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Ya, may be up to 1500 contrast, but not quite as Super amoled which is 50,000.

w1nter456 said:
Ya, may be up to 1500 contrast, but not quite as Super amoled which is 50,000.
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lol, just realised i said contrast twice.
i meant modified to improve viewing angles and contrast levels.

samoled have unnatural colors. They are too intense

From the copious amount of videos I've seen the viewing angle is great (same as any other LCD like my desire z) and the blacks look very black, nearly the same as the black bezel around it.
It all comes down to personal preferences. I think after a few hours most people are happy with what they see, I'm still happy with my standard SLCD
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This is the review http://android.modaco.com/page/news/_/android/htc-announce-one-series-with-one-x-r344?st=30

I was never convinced of LCD but the SLCD2 is a great one and surely better than AMOLED.
Who needs SGS3?

robt772000 said:
This is the review http://android.modaco.com/page/news/_/android/htc-announce-one-series-with-one-x-r344?st=30
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Gotta love this...
The screen is, frankly, insane. Compared to my Galaxy Nexus it was embarrassing ( I had a GN and loved the screen so if he says this, I am reassured )
This means a beats headset in box and beats enhanced audio right across the device. ( This might of answered the speculation as to whether it includes beats in the box)
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You still won't get pure blacks on the One X like on the Nexus, however, the screen would be crystal clear and the colors would be natural.
I prefer Smoled.

imho, the colors are not natural on amoled's.
And who needs a green colored withe? I tested some amoled devices and this was the case..

The blacks are good enough on LCD. What I need is my whites to be white and colors to look natural. amoled screens give me a headache. They just aren't there yet. Also the LCD screens seem brighter which helps on sunny days. If you like the current set of AMOLED screens better, that's fine but I'm tired of hearing that it's better when I look at it and my eyes say NO.

i don't know if anybody noticed but color gradation is horrible on the SGSII screen, you can see the color steps very clearly in 2D games for example

Most Highres OLED Screen have Pentile screens (e.g. Galaxy Nexus). They can look pretty awful depending one the picture displayed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenTile_matrix_family

Yes, pentile displays are awful..

True HD IPS is much sharper than HD Super AMOLED

I know the True HD IPS screen is better than the AMOLED but I didn't think it was that much sharper than the HD Super AMOLED on a borrowed Galaxy Nexus. It's almost like putting on glasses, very crisp detail. I'm guessing when there is a non pentile HD AMOLED the differences may be a lot smaller but against the pentile HD AMOLED the difference is huge. The only thing holding the Optimus LTE back against truly surpassing the Galaxy Nexus in just about every way is the lack of an official ICS rom but then there is always CM9 for those of us who know how to get it on the phone.
Could take some pictures for comparison if anyone is interested

Yup. 3 subpixel elements rendering out light using RGB + a decently wide gamut backlight, rather than educated guesswork (well, subpixel rendering) using only a combination of two subpixels per pixel (and still off color). Also, no uneven black screens. Minor nitpick, but has always annoyed me on all amoled displays (it really shows up a night).
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Also keep in mind that the G nexus has a slightly larger screen, therefore lower PPI.

There's no question about it. I also compared the Nexus vs. Nitro side by side, and the text on Nexus' screen is more like my old 3GS, but on Nitro it's much sharper. Oh, did I mention the over-saturated color?

What's funny to me is that the next great android super phone, the Galaxy S3 is STILL going to use a pentile AMOLED screen.

HTC did the right thing using the SUPERLCD in the one X imo

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What's funny to me is that the next great android super phone, the Galaxy S3 is STILL going to use a pentile AMOLED screen.
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Yeah that is disappointing. Those who say pentile isn't noticeable never used a high density IPS display; I could see what looks like a dithering pattern everywhere coming from the optimus true hd lte. I also don't like how AMOLED has these blotches everywhere when viewing the screen on low brightness.

I refuse to get anything less than our True HD IPS. Coming from an iPhone 4 to the Nitro, me eyes have been looking at retina quality screens for too long to go back to anything less.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF-Z3_f3WCE
That's the difference I'm talking about

Another thing to point out (and maybe it's just me) the last phone I had was an infuse 4g and I noticed a burn in with the status bar, my brother's phone is the same which is a galaxy s. Both of them are amoled. Which I could notice while playing games on them.
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True I've already seen a few AMOLED displays with burn-in visible. I think LCD technology is also prone to some image persistence problems but not nearly as prone as AMOLED

Wow the youtube video really gets the point across. And I was already considering buying a Galaxy S3. I think we may be spoiled by our phones because there is a possibility LG may not continue to do the IPS displays. Also, the processor is a factor as well. I'm still on the fence between a 4X and GS3.

I've yet to experience the burn issues with OLED but I've never peaked out the brigtness settings for a prolonged period either which it strongly states can cause screen burn.. There is a divided group I've come to notice were some don't really get all that excited by the vibrant colors and outright detest the lack of viewabilty in open sunlight. I don't make any qualms against those and their reasons are valid. There are a lot of us however who are passionate about them for their stunning colors that captivate a photographers eye. I suppose it's an each their own issue but for anyone who is new with AMOLED, any prolonged brightness at the maxed settings on a fixed screen inevitably causes burn. I've personally never had any issues.

Biggest downside for me on p930 is the touch sensitivity. It's definitely noticeable compared to the skyrocket. It's especially pronounced on the screen edges. Otherwise, the form factor is better (thinner, textured back), the screen has a great feature where the glass curves over the edges of the bezel. Could be the reason the edges are less sensitive? I also prefer the three capacitive buttons vs. four. And as mentioned display quality is great: ppi, benefits of it's lcd vs amoled, etc. Show someone the videos included with the stock gingerbread wrong. It amazing.
Samsung said they are including the pentile again, because it lasts longer then the HD amoled display. Something else to consider.

Samsung said they are including the pentile again, because it lasts longer then the HD amoled display. Something else to consider.
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This sorta seems like a slap in the face to current Galaxy S2 owners doesn't it? "Hi, this is Samsung, your Galaxy S2 screen should be dying soon, perfect time to buy a new S3!"

gmkelly001 said:
This sorta seems like a slap in the face to current Galaxy S2 owners doesn't it? "Hi, this is Samsung, your Galaxy S2 screen should be dying soon, perfect time to buy a new S3!"
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Basically, it's Samsung admitting burn in IS an issue, even within the 2 year confines of many phone contracts (though some in Canada get 3 years!?).

In Canada you basically have to go 3 year contract or the subsidy isn't worth it and you might as well buy the phone outright
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jeremyshaw said:
Basically, it's Samsung admitting burn in IS an issue, even within the 2 year confines of many phone contracts (though some in Canada get 3 years!?).
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I think it's more likely that they can't make a profit if they included Super Amoled Hd + displays.

Thank you for your new reel

I returned my Galaxy nexus and bought a LG Nitro HD. The screen on the Nexus had way too many flaws to pass for a high end phone. The yellow tint, and the ghosting were unacceptable to me.

Amoled vs lcd

I love my amoled display, but which do you prefer, and why? For Amoled I mean [Amoled, Super Amoled, Super Amoled Plus, Super Amoled HD, (Super Amoled HD Plus?)] And for LCD I mean every other LCD you can name, there are too many for me.
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Jakeuten said:
I love my amoled display, but which do you prefer, and why? For Amoled I mean [Amoled, Super Amoled, Super Amoled Plus, Super Amoled HD, (Super Amoled HD Plus?)] And for LCD I mean every other LCD you can name, there are too many for me.
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After spending time on the beautiful display of the Galaxy S3 as well as many other phones I've worked on, I have to say the AMOLED will always win for me. I am REALLY big about contrast. I love being able to see a display with nearly infinite black level, beautiful saturated colors and decent energy consumption on top of that. OLED technology is the future in my opinion. It's a new technology and there's still so much room to make it even better and there is so much focus going into making it better.

There is no other screen technology that can produce black levels like amoled. However, IPS displays have the best viewing angles.
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I've held my friend's HTC One X+ (a "Super LCD 2" screen) side by side with my S3, both at maximize brightness, outdoors on a sunny day. The LCD screen was noticeably brighter and easier to read in direct sunlight.

Yeah the whites are off, yeah the brightness isn't the greatest, yeah it is pentile. Technically it's not as good as the screen on the Nexus 4. And yet, my eyes prefer this AMOLED hands down. You can't explain that.

I have a Nexus 10 tablet and the GS3. Although the resolution of the Nexus 10's PLS (a type of LCD) display is unquestionably higher, the GS3's SAMOLED HD is still considerably better, in my opinion. With that being said, the IPS display used in the Kindle Fire HD is absolutely gorgeous. I'd go as far as saying that it gives the SAMOLED HD a run for its money.

This sg3 is my first Samoled device. I love it. Blows away my old Atrix display.
Sg3 is still oentile.but the new note 2 uses the newer tech with samoled..

I'm also coming from an atrix. Amoled technology is much better no question. Much more expensive to manufacture. I love how you put the brightness up a little and see perfectly in sunlight. Plus black themes will save you battery. Plus it looks amazing.

demandarin said:
This sg3 is my first Samoled device. I love it. Blows away my old Atrix display.
Sg3 is still oentile.but the new note 2 uses the newer tech with samoled..
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My cousin got the note 2 the other day, and we compared the two side by side. Honestly, neither of us could tell the difference.
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The s3 has a great screen, but personally I do like samsungs super amoled + better. For example my s2 had a richer contrast to it, that I liked better. However, its still not something easy to see unless you're looking for it. The note 2 when i held them side by side, maybe had a little more sharpness, but that didnt matter to me at all with the fact I found it impractical to use with one hand. Or how I would hate having to hold that huge thing to my ear every time I made a call.
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My wife has an iPhone 5 and i had the iPhone 4 (both LCD) and so I can easily make a direct comparison. The iPhone 5 is much brighter and is more accurate in its color. The Galaxy 3 has deeper blacks and more color saturation. Here is a professional comparison:
http://www.displaymate.com/Smartphone_ShootOut_2.htm