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Nexus One steps up to 720p HD video

hey,
found this news a few minutes ago...
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/nexus-one-steps-up-to-720p-hd-video-thanks-to-latest-hack-video/ or here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=698287
the nexus has the camera as the desire, or not?
so i think a port isn't impossible !?
raangu

look here Nexus 720p at XDA
This Threat in Desire Forum

The creator has stated that does not work on desire, but he will release a fix for it later tonight

Oooh, I think I'll be rooting very soon for this then!!

Judging by the quality of the sample video, its pretty clear why HTC never enabled 720p on these cameras, it just isnt real 720p, its just upscaling the already mediocre video quality of the camera to a higher resolution, which results in even more fragments and color distortion.
I seriously do not understand why people freak out because of this.

Post up video, before and after?
We could post up videos, before upscaling and after upscaling, that would be very interesting.

tbh, it's not exactly the reason I bought a Desire...it's a phone so as long as it can make calls and receive SMS messages it fulfills it's purpose IMO. Email, Internet, etc. are just bonuses

I guess if that is the video mode doing 720p it would annoy people as they said it would be included in a future update, so you would only expect it to be proper hd recording.

Phorz said:
Judging by the quality of the sample video, its pretty clear why HTC never enabled 720p on these cameras, it just isnt real 720p, its just upscaling the already mediocre video quality of the camera to a higher resolution, which results in even more fragments and color distortion.
I seriously do not understand why people freak out because of this.
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Not entirely sure about that. It's well known that the HTC cameras don't work very well in low light conditions and unless I've missed one, all the sample videos are taken indoors without a decent light source. I'm not saying you're wrong, it could very well be as you said. I'd just recommend withholding judgement until we've seen a sample taken under optimal conditions. It'd be great to have 720p even if it only works outdoors in blazing sunshine.
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No phone will do decent hd video in doors in low light just doesn't happen, if you want that you need a high end hd cam corder.

its possible and being worked on but since it requires a kernel mod may take time BUT ... since we have the 2.32.9 kernel ported now it should easy to replicate

Maybe it is a bitrate problem?
Don't know if he increased it?

It would be nice to have the original recorded video to properly analyze it..if this whole 720p thing is some sort of upscale imho it is pretty useless..

Since the camera's (alleged) native resolution is 5 megapixels (ie. has way more than 720 lines), there is no theoretical need for upscaling (in fact you could go much higher than 720p without upscaling.
If the camera actually isn't 5 megapixel (and upscales photos to that resolution), then who knowsif it's worth it....

I think this is next step what dev guys will give us,supprise

tbh, it's not exactly the reason I bought a Desire...it's a phone so as long as it can make calls and receive SMS messages it fulfills it's purpose IMO. Email, Internet, etc. are just bonuses
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Why would you get a smartphone just to make calls and send text. Plenty of decnt feature phones serve that purpose. Personally I don't use the camera on a phone and it's not a selling point. But beng able to hack my phone to take 720 video would be cool, even if I'm not going to use it. It's about the being able to and having fun. Also showing off to all my mates who have closed iToys! ;-)
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720p is less than 1mp, so even if the camera were 1.3mp, it could still do 720p without upscaling.
5mp is more than twice as much as 1080p, the real limitation is processing power for encoding and storage space.

ZoZo2 said:
720p is less than 1mp, so even if the camera were 1.3mp, it could still do 720p without upscaling.
5mp is more than twice as much as 1080p, the real limitation is processing power for encoding and storage space.
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Well, while you are right in some ways, you are so wrong from a technical point of view. Capturing Video is a totally different story than taking photos because taking a picture with autofocus every 2-3 seconds, and capturing 25-30 pictures every second... you cannot compare that, so dont let yourself be blindfolded by megapixels. The size of the CCD elements, and the time theyre exposed to light PLUS the optics is what makes pictures/videos. And when you look at the size of those things in a mobile phone, you get the idea why smartphones are still miiiiiiles away from even midclass digital cameras...

it is all about processor man ,lenses has an effect ,but processor is the main

720p recording worthless? still pictures quality?

Im planning on getting the desire, and im REALLY interested in the 720p recording, but from the videos ive seen in youtube they look like like upscaled videos whats the bitrate ? 19-20 fps? also the audio sounds awful, kinda like the omnia hd back in the day
What about the pictures? i HATE the pics taken by my milestone, are the desire pics any better?

For video, the new radio has improved it. Its still not a strong point though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0NlnGUQah4&hd=1
The guy taking this one was trying to put it in some bad shooting situations (direct light, fast movement etc), so you can see what its like when not in ideal conditions.
For pictures, check out the awesome pics thread, it has some really nice ones.

720p video capture is unimpressive on the Desire. You need to be in a very well lit area for the videos to be barely passable. With inadequate light, frame rates plummet. This is a glaring weakness of the device. But fortunately, it isn't a primary concern for me and most other users.
Still captures are average at best. HTC was never known for superb cameras...

The camera itself in the phone is not too bad, its the android camera software that drags it down.

ohyeahar said:
720p video capture is unimpressive on the Desire. You need to be in a very well lit area for the videos to be barely passable. With inadequate light, frame rates plummet. This is a glaring weakness of the device. But fortunately, it isn't a primary concern for me and most other users.
Still captures are average at best. HTC was never known for superb cameras...
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they better step it up, i find it funny that we used to mock the iphone's camera , and now its probablyh the best cameraphone available out there aside from the n8

What happens if you turn on the LED in dark settings and try 720p ??? does that work ?

this is my test 720p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1moRohDoEg&hd=1
good enough for mobile imo

Yep, in good lighting 720p recording isn't bad at all, as you rightly say, for mobile.
My only complain is that they could have optimized a bit the codec datarate, especially since they provide you the phone with a class 2 sd card. However I must admit that I've tried to remove A2SD+ and my class 6 transcend turned out to be enough for avoiding stuttering, which occasionally happened before.
The complain mainly stems from the fact that AOSP roms don't have this problem.

Still pictures quality is adequate. If you're into editing your photos then they're quite amenable to post-processing. Videos, on the other hand... well you've heard it from the others already.

here's my first 720 test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7_DlJ53NI
I hate the camera, on such an expensive phone why did they **** up the camera?

le3ky said:
this is my test 720p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1moRohDoEg&hd=1
good enough for mobile imo
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Why do my 720p videos keep freezing for a second, every 4-5 seconds?

i have actually never had any issues with 720p recording on leodroid's rom. Frame rate is more than just good. As for the camera, its ten time better than droids.

garese said:
Why do my 720p videos keep freezing for a second, every 4-5 seconds?
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Have you got A2SD or even worse, A2SD+ (dalvik cache to sd) ?
That can explain it, I think, along with some or a few background applications doing stuff while you record.
And, obviously, a slow sd card.

Not worth, I confirm that 720p is worthless on HTC Desire. Apparently the upgrade is software upscale. There is NOTHING difference in picture quality in video capture between 720p and 800X480 resolution. It's hardware suck and can't bring you any improvement in software. What a shame with "HD" recording in Desire.

lhoang8500 said:
Not worth, I confirm that 720p is worthless on HTC Desire. Apparently the upgrade is software upscale. There is NOTHING difference in picture quality in video capture between 720p and 800X480 resolution. It's hardware suck and can't bring you any improvement in software. What a shame with "HD" recording in Desire.
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Any proof?

There is another thread lying around where some tests indicate that, while 720p isn't HD for sure (nor is the ifonz one), there is a higher level of detail compared to 480.
There might be some upscaling or not, you might find it useful or not, but there is definitely some more quality in the image.

the problem seems to be the framerate and the SOUND, how can they screw it so bad? awful sound.
whats the problem with the sd card ? if i have a class 2 card for example ( 2 mbps) and the video is supossed to use 3 mbps what happens?

[Q] This 5MP camera isn't looking good, is it?

I've been reading about how lower MP can actually mean better low light performance and this camera may just beat the 8MP competition. Zero-shutter lag being really awesome too.
But then looking at the photos taken with it by an Android developer...
https://plus.google.com/photos/107606703558161507946/albums/5669407328146570481
Where is this awesome quality? Those pictures look no better than what my Galaxy S takes.
Not only is this outclassed by the 8MP camera in the S2 and iPhone 4S, it may be outclassed by the old 5MP Galaxy/Nexus S.
Those photos seem to have more noise and odd colour compared to photos from my Galaxy S.
Low light photos look like they might be better, but overall these don't look good.

I don't know how people manage to compare image quality between different phone cameras - they all look equally terrible to me.

Not sure how you can make a quality call based on 1 phone and 1 person operating.
How can you tell without having side by side shots of the same scenes at the same time with 2 or 3 different devices?
I find it extremely hard to believe that the Galaxy Nexus would have the same camera performance as the Nexus S.

martonikaj said:
How can you tell without having side by side shots of the same scenes at the same time with 2 or 3 different devices?
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Do you need to put a Mini and a bus side by side to tell which is bigger?

Maddmatt said:
Do you need to put a Mini and a bus side by side to tell which is bigger?
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How is that comparison even remotely similar? Size difference can be seen in anything but pitch black.
Would you be able to determine if the Mini and the bus were the exact same color (exact nuance) in completely different light? No, probably not and even then you are basically cheating because your brain will adjust the colors you see based on what it "knows" other things should look like.

Maddmatt said:
Do you need to put a Mini and a bus side by side to tell which is bigger?
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That only works because the size of a Mini and a bus are known values (relatively). The quality of this camera is not a known value, and because of that you can't make an accurate comparison.
By this analogy, you're saying that you can look at a photo of one car, and immediately tell me if its the same as another car you've never seen...
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How is that comparison even remotely similar? Size difference can be seen in anything but pitch black.
Would you be able to determine if the Mini and the bus were the exact same color (exact nuance) in completely different light? No, probably not and even then you are basically cheating because your brain will adjust the colors you see based on what it "knows" other things should look like.
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This
People love to jump to conclusions that its a bad camera because its 5MP, and then from that initial point, they simply assume everything it does is terrible. I wonder how the tables would be turned if it were a low quality 12MP camera, and every picture it took was sh*t but everyone just said it was amazing. People see what they want to see.

Just wait until the galaxy nexus comes out, and then you'll see the true power of the 5mp camera they put in it. It will be a great shooter.
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Seriously? Its a phone, not a dedicated camera. If you don't like it don't get the phone.
Punched in..

It really does not look very good. I hope that it is not final version of nexus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dPe3lsoVQA

Chirality said:
I don't know how people manage to compare image quality between different phone cameras - they all look equally terrible to me.
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I agree. Phone cameras arent like absolute trash terrible but they're all so equally bad thats its incredibly hard to tell the difference.
Between the click of the light and the start of a dream.

hrcro said:
It really does not look very good. I hope that it is not final version of nexus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dPe3lsoVQA
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And you're judging that video what about this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhlL-ys5iOA
So you see we have two totally different videos. Which one should we believe now?
I recommend wait until it's out and test it if possible or trust your preferd reviewer when he did his job with the Nexus.

The only photos I've seen are of a shipping dock. Hard to make that look good.

I am not judging. I am shareing what I found. Video that I posted was shot in "realistic" environment, another one is heavily modified. Anyway, there is no need to be nervous or judgemental.
I agree that we should wait and see how retail model performes.

Lets judging when phone is out

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I am not judging. I am shareing what I found. Video that I posted was shot in "realistic" environment, another one is heavily modified. Anyway, there is no need to be nervous or judgemental.
I agree that we should wait and see how retail model performes.
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That's what the filmer says to the video.
The only processing done on the original footage was to speed it up in the first clip.
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The video clips were shot without the help of a tripod and shake a little bit. The time-lapse clips were shot using a Stage Zero Dolly from Dynamic Perception
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So it was as well made under "realistic" circumstances. Expect from the first part. But he is a Android dev so who knows if it's true or not.

I didn't really pay much attention to the camera on the Galaxy Nexus as it seems good enough. The Engadget comparisons sometimes show it on par with the Nexus S, sometimes a little worse. What I'm more interested in is the 1080p video, which looks a whole lot better than anything else on the market (I've seen a dozen videos from different places already) and even better than the Galaxy S II. The audio capture, another sadly ignored pivotal part of video recording, is quite stellar. It really irks me when all the reviewers tout the earsplitting garble of sound on HTC phones as first-class because they look at the 44khz stereo spec and somehow ignore the actual sound, which is really terrible. I would love to get a unibody HTC phone, but this has been their achilles heel for me, and their video capture as a whole.
You can't deny that the camera on a phone is important, is a very very big selling point, and many people do make their buying decisions on the phone's ability to replace a dedicated point-and-shoot camera, and many phones are at that level right now. If you are too enamored with DSLR quality photos, you might not notice that camera quality in phones has jumped up leaps and bounds, regardless of MP. My five megapixel Samsung slider I bought 4 years ago is worse than your typical 5 megapixel budget smartphone camera. It's also 50% fatter and super slow. The software and processing, backlight sensors, wide angles, apertures, and other fancy stuff have improved drastically over the years. 1080p video is leaps and bounds above the QCIF stuff only a few years back.

Um, am I alone in thinking those pictures look just dandy? It's a phone. I'm not taking artistic photos, as long as they're clear and sharp (which those are) then there's no issue.

SomeGuyDude said:
Um, am I alone in thinking those pictures look just dandy? It's a phone. I'm not taking artistic photos, as long as they're clear and sharp (which those are) then there's no issue.
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+1 on that. And Most of the pictures where shaky und unsharp but that's due to the user and not to the camera. The pictures which were sharp however are okay and look totally fine for a phone.

have we all really forgotten about the fact that if you upload a picture to most websites, the picture becomes compressed?
being a car enthusiast like others here apparently, this is like comparing the same car on the same track with the same driver.. except one lap is in the rain and one lap is in the dry. of course results will be different!

For everyone who is complaining about the quality of the camera, I don't see what you're basing your judgement on. First, admit right now that all cell phone cameras take crap pictures! It's simple physics. Your point and shoot camera is only marginally better. More to the point, the limited samples I have seen would appear on par with other current devices. But without a comprehensive side by side comparison of the Galaxy Nexus to the 4s (or others) either qualitatively or quantitatively in a controlled environment, you just can't tell much. Shooting video of the sun and then the ground demonstrates very little especially when the comparison video is un-synced and crammed into a small PIP box.
Seems some are having a knee jerk reaction to not getting all 8 megapixels. Unless you are printing 8x10s, it doesn't really matter. If you are, get a DSLR! A good quality lower resolution camera can easily spank a cheaper higher resolution camera. The glass plays a huge role. As do chromatic aberration, exposure, latitude, color balance, sensitivity, focus, speed, image stabilization, noise reduction, white balance and so on. And don't even get me started on compression.

Terrible 1080p video quality

The quality of 1080p video is terrible, according to Eatmycomputer:
http://eatmycomputer.com/2011/11/20/eatmycomputer-take-the-galaxy-nexus-for-a-1080p-walk-round-town-london-town-that-is/
Maybe they got an early pre-relise device or is it always this bad? Can someone who has a Galaxy Nexus check it out?

watched it and about 10 others on 4 phones, they are all pretty crappy, even the 4s which seems to be the best...

it will never be production quality, but it is 1000x better than what i have got so far with the Desire so will be happy with that.

The quality isn't poor so much as the auto-exposure settings which is resulting in poor shots, this could be improved with software updates or by manually setting the exposure.

1080p video samples, raw and unedited:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvaL4I4NCf4
It feels like taking the video under water,
and most of the sample video on Youtube are the same.
The video quality of this phone is indeed terrible

It's a cellphone. Don't be blinded by 1080p!!11
Jerky video no matter you slice it. It is what it is.
-GNEX owner

Just tried it and it doesn't seem that bad. At least it's continuous autofocus.

Just like with photos, resolution does not equal quality.

I dont see why everyone thinks its so bad, for a cell phone its pretty damn good for everyday use since you will pretty much carry it everywhere with you, much better camera then my thunderbolt had thats for sure.

ptscon said:
Just like with photos, resolution does not equal quality.
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Yes, I don't mind having 5MP before seeing the video sample.
The "under-water" like feature for video is not acceptable at all.

And this is why I hate the Nexus camera

I made a thread the other day saying how 4.0.3 seemed to fix the focus issues. Well that's great, now maybe an update needs to fix the actual quality? I mean, this is TERRIBLE. Look how dull/dark the picture is on a perfectly sunny day.
After seeing this I took a look at the exif data and it shows a shutter speed of 1/3000? SERIOUSLY?????????? It needs to be around 1/600 to look bright and not so damn dull.
We seriously need manual controls on this camera phone. I'm usually one of the first ones to say, "it's just a phone, get a real camera if you want good pictures," but this is just damn ridiculous now. Pictures look like they came from a flip phone.
What's funny is it looks bright and excellent on the phone. When I first saw it on the phone, I thought, "wow that's a nice picture." Until I looked at it on the computer...
http://i.imgur.com/HiYS6.jpg

What's wrong with the EV controls? Or even the scene settings? I feel I have pretty much control over my pictures from my GN by trying different settings or even another camera app.
I tend to take mobile shots not to seriously as I use a DSLR on a daily basis.
Mobile cameras aren't "there" yet. Period. The older nokias took great mobile pictures, but somehow the necessity for high en cameras got lost in the transitions to smartphones. I've heard the (the name we won't speak) 4S camera is one of the better ones on the market? Tried that?

brian85 said:
I made a thread the other day saying how 4.0.3 seemed to fix the focus issues. Well that's great, now maybe an update needs to fix the actual quality? I mean, this is TERRIBLE. Look how dull/dark the picture is on a perfectly sunny day.
After seeing this I took a look at the exif data and it shows a shutter speed of 1/3000? SERIOUSLY?????????? It needs to be around 1/600 to look bright and not so damn dull.
We seriously need manual controls on this camera phone. I'm usually one of the first ones to say, "it's just a phone, get a real camera if you want good pictures," but this is just damn ridiculous now. Pictures look like they came from a flip phone.
What's funny is it looks bright and excellent on the phone. When I first saw it on the phone, I thought, "wow that's a nice picture." Until I looked at it on the computer...
http://i.imgur.com/HiYS6.jpg
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Maybe your monitor isn't set correctly. There's nothing terrible about that picture for a camera phone. It's underexposed by about 1/2 to 1 EV, but not terribly. Automatic metering is often off by that much; you can easily add an EV or 2 of compensation if you're not pleased with the results. Or just run it through Auto-Fix in the built-in editor, the results are actually very good in my experience.
/spectrometer-calibrated monitor here

copkay said:
Maybe your monitor isn't set correctly. There's nothing terrible about that picture for a camera phone. It's underexposed by about 1/2 to 1 EV, but not terribly. Automatic metering is often off by that much; you can easily add an EV or 2 of compensation if you're not pleased with the results. Or just run it through Auto-Fix in the built-in editor, the results are actually very good in my experience.
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My monitor is fine. It's not like this is the only picture I've ever seen on my computer.

fregor said:
What's wrong with the EV controls? Or even the scene settings? I feel I have pretty much control over my pictures from my GN by trying different settings or even another camera app.
I tend to take mobile shots not to seriously as I use a DSLR on a daily basis.
Mobile cameras aren't "there" yet. Period. The older nokias took great mobile pictures, but somehow the necessity for high en cameras got lost in the transitions to smartphones. I've heard the (the name we won't speak) 4S camera is one of the better ones on the market? Tried that?
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No more excuses. Yes, mobile cameras are "there" now. Look at the galaxy s2. That phone takes excellent pictures, even better than the iphone 4s.
I don't usually take mobile shots seriously either unless they look absolutely terrible.

If this thing can shoot 1080p widescreen it should be able to take widescreen photos.
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My monitor is fine. It's not like this is the only picture I've ever seen on my computer.
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Doesn't mean you've seen them correctly.
Explain what you think is wrong with this photo, because I'm not seeing it.
EDIT: Histogram of your image attached. As I said, 1/2 to 1 EV underexposed, but there's no clipping in the shadows or highlights.

Just use another camera...I'm using miui v17 and it shoots widescreen and takes decent pictures with control over autofocus
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Looks fine to me, but then again it is a phone

So many excuses.
I love my nexus, but it takes terrible photos. Simple as that.

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I made a thread the other day saying how 4.0.3 seemed to fix the focus issues. Well that's great, now maybe an update needs to fix the actual quality? I mean, this is TERRIBLE. Look how dull/dark the picture is on a perfectly sunny day.
After seeing this I took a look at the exif data and it shows a shutter speed of 1/3000? SERIOUSLY?????????? It needs to be around 1/600 to look bright and not so damn dull.
We seriously need manual controls on this camera phone. I'm usually one of the first ones to say, "it's just a phone, get a real camera if you want good pictures," but this is just damn ridiculous now. Pictures look like they came from a flip phone.
What's funny is it looks bright and excellent on the phone. When I first saw it on the phone, I thought, "wow that's a nice picture." Until I looked at it on the computer...
http://i.imgur.com/HiYS6.jpg
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Dude, that's not a bad pic at all. Yes, the GSII takes better pics, but that one isn't bad. If you need the best quality pics grab a DSLR or something.

You keep saying everyone is making excuses but you aren't answering any questions. I have taken great pictures with my camera. Would love to post some but I'm at work right now.

What questions?
If you guys don't think that picture looks bad, then you aren't someone who is really into photography.
Dull colors, dark, noisy as hell, grainy, etc.

Just did VERY QUICK adjustment for you. Is this more of what you're looking for??

Much better.
I think the issue here was the shutter speed. I have NO IDEA why it used a shutter speed of around 1/3000. That is WAY too fast to gather any decent amount of light on a cell phone camera.
I've been looking at other pictures I've taken with slower shutter speeds, and they look fine.
Sorry for freaking out guys. I think my issue here was I took a picture in an area with plenty of light, where the nexus camera is supposed to shine, and I was shocked when I actually saw the picture on the computer. Just wish we had manual controls on this thing (shutter speed, iso, etc).

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What questions?
If you guys don't think that picture looks bad, then you aren't someone who is really into photography.
Dull colors, dark, noisy as hell, grainy, etc.
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yeah your right, this is a phone forum not a camera forum...plus people who are really into photography dont do it on their phones...trust me I am married to a photographer...while she snaps pictures of the kids all day on her phone she would NEVER take it out to do a wedding or photo shoot.

madisonjar said:
yeah your right, this is a phone forum not a camera forum...plus people who are really into photography dont do it on their phones...trust me I am married to a photographer...while she snaps pictures of the kids all day on her phone she would NEVER take it out to do a wedding or photo shoot.
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Thats not what I mean.
I'm saying if people are happy with flip phone quality photos on a smartphone in 2012, then they don't really know photography at all.
Anyways, see my post above. I'm a little calmer now lol.
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I'm no expert but it looks pretty good to me. Maybe the abundant lighter colored walls reflect too much light and require a faster shutter speed?
Interesting house. I assume the garage doors are hidden in the back.

Electronic rolling shutter vs mechanical shutter
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Much better.
I think the issue here was the shutter speed. I have NO IDEA why it used a shutter speed of around 1/3000. That is WAY too fast to gather any decent amount of light on a cell phone camera.
I've been looking at other pictures I've taken with slower shutter speeds, and they look fine.
Sorry for freaking out guys. I think my issue here was I took a picture in an area with plenty of light, where the nexus camera is supposed to shine, and I was shocked when I actually saw the picture on the computer. Just wish we had manual controls on this thing (shutter speed, iso, etc).
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Camera phones have shutters? This is news to me. They have electronic rolling shutters, but no mechanical shutter. It seems like the shutter speed you're relating to DSLRs is mechanical shutter speed. In this sense, 1/3000 doesn't really mean a whole lot.

In my opinion the camera takes great photos! I have taken a number of photos that are all brilliant quality. I have had the photos printed out on photo paper in a number of sizes and recently had a photo printed on a 16x16 canvas and it looks stunning! There has been no loss in quality with the photo on the canvas and I know that there will be no loss in quality if I have 46x46 canvases made!