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I apologize that I don't have that many posts to my credit but I refuse to go around the forums adding nonsense to each one when I can just learn and be kinda quiet from reading and understanding. I do have a few posts and have been a member for over a year now and have also sold my AT&T Tilt successfully on here about a yr ago. Now because of the crooked ppl on here that scam others, I am not allowed to do business in the marketplace because I haven't posted enough??? I'm sorry but that's being very stereotypical and really sucks because many jr members that have been here for quite sometime prolly have more couth than some of the ppl that have been here for a while and just solicit the hell outta xda. I'm not trying to start any arguments or anything, but I just think it's unfair and something more should be done to make it fair. Thanks and I hope that this is taken into consideration because I do have another phone I would like to put up for sale on here and I do have a 100% positive sales history on here.
Thats ultimately going to pay you in future. Believe me this rule is good for all of us. Contribute something good to the forums & you will find it not so difficult. Thats how we can make this place a safer haven for pocket pc users. Good Luck.
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I apologize that I don't have that many posts to my credit but I refuse to go around the forums adding nonsense to each one when I can just learn and be kinda quiet from reading and understanding. I do have a few posts and have been a member for over a year now and have also sold my AT&T Tilt successfully on here about a yr ago. Now because of the crooked ppl on here that scam others, I am not allowed to do business in the marketplace because I haven't posted enough??? I'm sorry but that's being very stereotypical and really sucks because many jr members that have been here for quite sometime prolly have more couth than some of the ppl that have been here for a while and just solicit the hell outta xda. I'm not trying to start any arguments or anything, but I just think it's unfair and something more should be done to make it fair. Thanks and I hope that this is taken into consideration because I do have another phone I would like to put up for sale on here and I do have a 100% positive sales history on here.
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Have a deep read here and you´ll understand why not jr members
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=559465
mreusswig said:
I apologize that I don't have that many posts to my credit but I refuse to go around the forums adding nonsense to each one when I can just learn and be kinda quiet from reading and understanding. I do have a few posts and have been a member for over a year now and have also sold my AT&T Tilt successfully on here about a yr ago. Now because of the crooked ppl on here that scam others, I am not allowed to do business in the marketplace because I haven't posted enough??? I'm sorry but that's being very stereotypical and really sucks because many jr members that have been here for quite sometime prolly have more couth than some of the ppl that have been here for a while and just solicit the hell outta xda. I'm not trying to start any arguments or anything, but I just think it's unfair and something more should be done to make it fair. Thanks and I hope that this is taken into consideration because I do have another phone I would like to put up for sale on here and I do have a 100% positive sales history on here.
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I am glad you were capable of selling your device successfully. You must be an honest person. However, what if you were on the buyer end of the transaction and you did not receive the device? What if you received a big candle in a box opposed to the Tilt?
Personally I feel if you did not record the mailing and the unboxing of the package, emails and private messages, you would be out of luck.
There are many places on the internet to conduct your business other than xda. The Marketplace is for members who use and contribute to the forum.
This is a phone development forum and we have no solid way to know who's legit and who's a scammer who has an account, so we do the best with what we have. And the best way to help protect the users of this site, is to only allow users who have a few contributions and have an account that's been open a while.
Thanks
Dave
I'd like to contribute more, but...
I'd really enjoy contributing more to a forum like this but as I am learning more about these devices, maybe in the future I will be more of a contributor than a student and just searching and trying out the different stuff you guys provide here. Again, I appreciate your responses and all but I also saw a lot of what if's and so on, only meaning one thing. A few bad apples ruined it for the rest of us and that's a shame, but I guess it is in fact reality. Anyways, here's another post towards me being able to do business in the market place lol. How many posts until I am able to sell my phone now? Thanks again.
Its not about certain experiences. Whenever we start a venture we set rules of conduct so we could avoid problems at max. Thats what XDA staff did. Its for all of us. As Redbandana said, imagine being at buyers side you would really not like to have this rule infringed. Moreover even on the side of seller you should avoid dealing with people with low posts, I did that mistake & found myself in barrage of allegations, I sold something to someone & after a week buyer is coming out with allegations rather than proof. I have learnt a lesson from that.
Good Luck contributing to the forum. Cheers.
Hey, you're a senior member in your own right. Just say thanks on the threads you have downloaded from, and provide some feedback...30 posts is nothing.
And true, post count doesn't really say much...I have read much without posting too.
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Hey, you're a senior member in your own right. Just say thanks on the threads you have downloaded from, and provide some feedback...30 posts is nothing.
And true, post count doesn't really say much...I have read much without posting too.
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My eye is on you, boy! Instead of cluttering might as well help out! I'm checking up members with minimal post count not having a very long membership. If I find too much clutter, away with you. Come on, these rules are there to protect the people in this community, don't encourage sleazy ways to be able to post in the market place. It's not that hard to find a way to help out!
Hey ive just joined this site and i must say its tops. And yes i agree that with a site as this you have to be both safe and fair as there are some shady people out there who would love to ruin the good work put into this site.
glad you like it
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Hey ive just joined this site and i must say its tops. And yes i agree that with a site as this you have to be both safe and fair as there are some shady people out there who would love to ruin the good work put into this site.
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have fiun and enjoy or site
Post Count doesn't really tell you much. Quite honestly, I would suggest that if the member is not a know entity among the crowd, just make the sale / purchase via eBay. It's quick, it's simple and it's safer than sending money to somebody that you know absolutely nothing about.
I recently made a purchase from a fellow XDA member with about 60 posts. To be honest I was extremely apprehensive, but I did some digging around and eventualy realised he's a very sweet guy. While that worked for me, it doesn;t necessarily have to work for everyone. If you are in doubt, ask the seller to put it up on eBay and get it from there.
My 2 cents.
Lately we have seen many users been scammed over here,, and with the lack of stickies its really difficult to know if the trader was bad or good for scams( had that recently where a member had scammed another member, and then one day he PM'd me asking to trade, but i was aware of it, but others may not be.) no ppl are getting banned who cheat on this forum. We need a mod who has traded before and just for this section, i dont think its hard to have one mod here who can delete threads, ban users who misuse the MP, make stickies on threads which have disputes, he can also act as a middle man if the User's chooses to. if you support me along this road, then please reply so we can have one
I agree. I've done a couple trades both on Hofo and Xda and I feel at times it is really nice to be able to trade, but often worried if the deal will go bad or not. It'd be nice to be able to know if the other person is reputible and if I was talking to another scammer.
It'd be nice to have some sort of system to prevent all the inconsistancy of having shady sellers.
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I agree. I've done a couple trades both on Hofo and Xda and I feel at times it is really nice to be able to trade, but often worried if the deal will go bad or not. It'd be nice to be able to know if the other person is reputible and if I was talking to another scammer.
It'd be nice to have some sort of system to prevent all the inconsistancy of having shady sellers.
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yeah we need it, he could also verify the IP address is not of a scammer or near by.
I agree aswell although I've only done two trades here both of which wer successful there's always a bad apple out there ready to scam some unfortunate person and I personally think we should be doing everything we can to prevent it
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it wont happen, there is no reason for a 3rd party, or a member of xda community to take on that role, and then possibly be at fault.
ie.
why complicate it more than it needs to be.
A feedback system may work, but never a 3rd party.
IMHO.
37 transactions and counting, xda only.
killster
it would be great ive wanted to offer on sum trades just have been kinda checking things out to see who is legit because we know everyone is not trust worthy
I think a Feedback system will be more helpful than moderators. Having feedback and mod will be even better.
Ya we need feedback, it will make checking someones transaction history very easy.
On my Suzuki Hayabusa forum you must have 50 posts to sell something - this is easily done with a simple vbulletin mod. The mod makes it possible for someone with less than 50 posts to browse and post in a thread in the "for sale" forums, but impossible to start a thread. I know you might think it's easy for someone to signup and post 50 times, but members notice that pretty damn quick - and we ban anyone who tries. We also have iTrader (another vbulletin mod) and once a sale is completed one of my Admins will post and ask the buyer and seller to post feedback.
The fact that people sell $6000+ motorcycles makes it a necessity to police and manage the "for sale" forums to the best of our ability for the protection of my members.
But people also sell $20 items, and we ban ANYONE who scams another member - this includes sponsors.
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But people also sell $20 items, and we ban ANYONE who scams another member - this includes sponsors.
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i deeply agree with this one , there should be zero tolerance , no posting suspension , no infractions , just insta-ban
pinstack.com has a "trust" meter, I've found it very useful at times. Plus this gives a better all-around feel for someone instead of just what's gone on in the marketplace.
http://forums.pinstack.com/trust.php
How about for now, we try and get people to use HeatWare? You can build a rep that's damn hard to fake.
There is always someone willing to take the role and help out.
Furthermore we have a "thanks" system, so I don't see it being too difficult to add some sort of "trust" system as previously mentioned. Though if there is an acceptable volunteer for thread mod, that would be a good idea too.
I also vouch for heatware. Great service and have used it on many forum trades sections.
or post names of scammers until mods start banning them.
TheAndroider
iDroidfan
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Plus guys get scammed when they do things in private. Keep as much as possible public and you are safer since everyone reads the posts and someone will know if one of the parties is bogus.
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i suggest rules(vBulletin mod) to be able to use marketplace:
1.over 50 posts
2. member for atleast 6months
in addition to:
1.transparency-every single deal should be public, pm's allowed for chatting etc, but all conditions, offers etc will be sellers&buyers thing to do in their thread(go public if you don't wanna get scammed)
2.bans for people (proved)scamming-hasn't been on xda 1 week from bogus deal, didn't respond buyer's PM's, sent fake/empty product etc
3.more mods assinged to this part of forum-"too good to be true" offers will be removed/reported in short period of time, preventing anyone to reply, and could be reactivated when seller responds to mod's pm and proves he's legit and has item for sale(especially first few sales)
4. whitelist of members who made over 20 deals succsessfully in longer period of time, separate items, with higher value(not sending 20 e.g. batteries at once).
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it wont happen, there is no reason for a 3rd party, or a member of xda community to take on that role, and then possibly be at fault.
ie.
why complicate it more than it needs to be.
A feedback system may work, but never a 3rd party.
IMHO.
37 transactions and counting, xda only.
killster
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Do those 37 count the ones you committed to and then backed out of killster? Seems mlee and i are not the only ones. Not the same as scamming but questionable nonetheless.
As per Marketplacer Rule #1:
The XDA-Developers.com Market Place, hereafter MP, is provided free to members with at least 8 posts at XDA-Developers.com. XDA-Developers.com, its moderators, administrators, owners and legal advisors do not warrant, guarantee or endorse any item offered for sale or trade on this forum.
SIMPLE ENGLISH: Trade at your own Risk.
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We have many Senior moderators who actively monitor the Marketplace forum We don't need anymore.
XDA will not get actively involved in a Marketplace dispute under normal circumstances. And we will never act as a "middle man". The above quoted rule underlines this.
Just to elaborate on what the_scotsman says above.
There are resource issues in providing checks on those trading in the Marketplace. We simply don't have these resources in terms of people to monitor trades, or systems to test or validate Users.
Equally, we do not have the resources to investigate when things go wrong. Inevitably in such cases, there will be conflicting accounts of what has happened and we have no way to prove or disprove the claims that are made by the parties in dispute. This is not an area with which we would ever suggest we can become involved.
Just occassionally we will disable the account of a member if there are repeated claims that purchased items have not been received, but Users should NEVER assume that we are checking sellers, because we are not.
We have no plans to bring in a checking system because with the resources we have, we simply wish to provide a basic noticeboard for sellers and a forum for threads where the transaction can be conducted in public. We do not Moderate the Marketplace except in a very cursory way, because it cannot be done reliably and more importantly it would give the FALSE impression that we were checking and validating the trades and sales in the Forum; in other words it might make buyers feel more secure in buying and yet the risk is ALL theirs.
It may be possible for us to implement some kind of User rating system whereby Users, not Moderators or Admin, can rate a Member according to how well or badly a sale/trade has gone. I understand this is being considered. Nevertheless, it would still be "buyer beware!".
If you are looking to buy and want guarantees and insurance if things go wrong, then our Marketplace Forum is not the place to buy! That said, if you are tempted to buy, then it may be possible for you to carry out some checks yourself, by looking at post history, previous sales if any and perhaps even a few checks using Google. You might also prefer to deal only with Members you have known over many months, even years!
Mike
When donating money to Dev's etc, wouldn't you think it be customary/polite to receive a thank you from the person(s) either through email, Paypal email or the forum? I am not mad by any means, just disappointed a bit. I donated to 3 Dev's ($10, $5, $5)(not counting other Dev's from other boards) about a month or two ago. Now understanding people might be busy, overlooked, forgotten is understandable, but donating to 3 different Dev's with no (even automated "Thank You" email LOL) is kinda disappointing. Nothing to lose sleep over of course.
Now, it's not like a lot of money was donated, but some is better than none usually. I only use the one Dev's Rom, and from my understanding the other 2 help contribute(plus others besides the 2 I imagine). Maybe $10's & $5 aren't enough to justify a simple thanks?
I would say a 'thank you' is always nice
Though are these devs of really popular apps? Maybe they haven't yet had time to set up an automated response.
If I ever get donations I would definitely say "thanks!"
I am surprised as well that I didn't at least have an automated response. Oh well I guess.
They make Roms, not apps, but are fairly popular I think.
I have always thanked people for donations but unfortunately like the OP have not always received the same courtesy. Makes me think that it was not appreciated.
zone23 said:
I have always thanked people for donations but unfortunately like the OP have not always received the same courtesy. Makes me think that it was not appreciated.
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Not everyone actually finds out...
I know some members (myself included), choose to direct donations to an account they don't control. So nobody gets a reply from me, that I know of... It's not out of lack of politeness or appreciation, more just that I actually don't know...
Not being here for the money, it makes no difference to me, so I put it to an account used to pay hosting bills
load97 said:
When donating money to Dev's etc, wouldn't you think it be customary/polite to receive a thank you from the person(s) either through email, Paypal email or the forum? I am not mad by any means, just disappointed a bit. I donated to 3 Dev's ($10, $5, $5)(not counting other Dev's from other boards) about a month or two ago. Now understanding people might be busy, overlooked, forgotten is understandable, but donating to 3 different Dev's with no (even automated "Thank You" email LOL) is kinda disappointing. Nothing to lose sleep over of course.
Now, it's not like a lot of money was donated, but some is better than none usually. I only use the one Dev's Rom, and from my understanding the other 2 help contribute(plus others besides the 2 I imagine). Maybe $10's & $5 aren't enough to justify a simple thanks?
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The "Thank You" comes in the form of further ROM development.
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PeartFan40 said:
The "Thank You" comes in the form of further ROM development.
Sent from my Rocket in the Sky (SGH-i727) using XDA Premium.
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That's not good enough, at least for me. If your asking for donations, which anyone with a paypal etc that's visible to click on or the "buy me a beer" deal; "is" asking for a donation. Most people growing up have learned in their culture if asking for something, then getting it, results in the said person saying thanks.
Just as people asking for ROM's etc say thanks in their posts to the person. People wouldn't say thanks whether you make the ROM or not LOL. Only if you made it etc.
Further ROM development is done whether a donation is made or not, so that "Further ROM development" is a moot point.
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Not everyone actually finds out...
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If asking for donations, IMO, there is a responsibility to know who definitely appreciates the work. Sort of a moral obligation to say thanks. Nothing more, just a thanks.
When I've donated to various organizations. Salvation Army, Habitat For Humanity, hurricane victims etc, I've at least gotten the automated "thank you" responses LOL.
When it comes to Android, it's been another story...
Lol I always thank and still offer the same great help ..
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Say "thank you" must be the first thing TO do for education.
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My friend has been downloading files from 4shared is that illegal to do ? So he is pretty much getting free paid apps lol
xXHELLBoy91Xx
you are not allowed to post any free paid app information in this forum. I think even asking that kind of question is not accepted.
Exactly. This is a disallowed topic, really.
And yes, what he's doing is illegal, and frowned upon by most people here.
And not to mention risky. Great way to get your info stolen, get push msgs spam, generally f*ck your phone up.
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Exactly him doing that isnt right at all smh i rather pay for apps then to download apk files and risk myself smh he is an idiot
xXHELLBoy91Xx
How dare you ask any question in regards to what is and is not legal.
Seriously, when did questions become heresy?
Nuenjin said:
How dare you ask any question in regards to what is and is not legal.
Seriously, when did questions become heresy?
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It became "heresy" when it was made a rule to not discuss, link to, or suggest where someone might aquire, pirated applications.
Don't get yer panties in a bunch over it. The OP didn't.
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It became "heresy" when it was made a rule to not discuss, link to, or suggest where someone might aquire, pirated applications.
Don't get yer panties in a bunch over it. The OP didn't.
Sent from my calculator watch.
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He's not asking where he can do it, he's asking if it's illegal. A simple yes and a link to the specific rule set would be helpful instead of treating piracy as a taboo subject.
This isn't China or N. Korea; so I'm assuming, yes I know what happens when one assumes, that we can still have civil discourse over legal matters.
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so I'm assuming, that we can still have civil discourse over legal matters.
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Interesting that you bring that particular point up, as I do believe it was your interjection of sarcasm that took this to an uncivil place.
Up until that point we had just been pointing out that the subject was inappropriate for XDA, in general, and had in no way been rude about it. And in fact the OP had agreed with us re: the choice to use pirated apps, and took the conversation is stride.
And then comes you. Huh.
And since you can't be bothered to follow your own "constructive criticism":
Rule # 6 states:
6. Do not post warez.If a piece of software requires you to pay to use it, either pay or find your cracks and serials somewhere else. We do not accept warez nor do we permit any member to promote or describe ways in which Warez, cracks, serial codes or other means of avoiding payment, can be obtained.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?a=81
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So i my post was against something? When all I'm asking is a question in regards to me wondering upon a thought this is a question and answer forums dudes
xXHELLBoy91Xx
az18zz said:
So i my post was against something? When all I'm asking is a question in regards to me wondering upon a thought this is a question and answer forums dudes
xXHELLBoy91Xx
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You're cool, don't feed trolls, leave this thread for the wolves, pay it no mind. You've got ur ans now lets move along to other issues that need to be addressed. Its not that serious, to go on about! Just let it go and tell ur "friend" its illegal but still pick them up to hang out and have a nice day/night/morning w/e ur timezone is. We have section that deals with general q / a , you should be pm'ing a mod to move or close this thread. Your answer is present. Illegal? Yes! Now on to the next one. Peace y'all, post maturely on XDA! Thanx.
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than bro your mad kool lol
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I'm reading through the forums and seeing a lot of posts asking that if they can return their device after tripping the KNOX flag. Why wouldn't you just claim it was lost or stolen and not have to worry about that? I've never had to file a claim so I'm wondering if this is possible.
Aside from the main issue that you'd be committing fraud, I believe there's also a substantial deductible for replacement due to loss/theft/damage vs simple malfunction.
The claim is $175 if you have JUMP. So far I yet to see someone say that T-Mo or Samsung care if Knox is tripped.
I doubt a lot of carrier technicians know what KNOX is. Even Samsung tech support isn't very knowledgeable after being "escalated to the highest support level". KNOX should be the least of your concerns lol
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Why wouldn't you just claim it was lost or stolen and not have to worry about that? I've never had to file a claim so I'm wondering if this is possible.
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This is insurance fraud. It's illegal and is the reason for rate increases.
These types of discussions do not belong on XDA. We are a development community, not a community dedicated to helping our users commit fraud.
Thread closed.
Thank you,
Rwilco12