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A Thank You.

To all the devs and people I've exchanged messages with on the boards - I just wanted to say thanks for all the help and development that's gone on here and I've benefited from over the last year or so.
I know this won't go down well, but I'm going over to the dark side... of the fruit variety.
I love MS mobile I think it's got great potential but I've come to realise I use my iPod touch for everything bar sending text and calling so it really makes sense for me to move over to the fruity platform entirely. Plus the T-Mobile signal here has got a lot worse not better.
Clearly I won't get the same level of customisation I'm accustomed to but as it seems that's less important to me now, I think I'll cope.
I'll still pop in every now and then for a peek about but for now I'm selling up and moving on.
Best regards all!

Well that was a short stay. I wish you luck with your piece of fruit, I had a bite once and found it very juice and nearly ate the whole lot, what stopped me was the tree it was connected to as its rotting a bit.
One day I may join you and find you on another forum LOL

R3PUBL1K said:
Well that was a short stay. I wish you luck with your piece of fruit, I had a bite once and found it very juice and nearly ate the whole lot, what stopped me was the tree it was connected to as its rotting a bit.
One day I may join you and find you on another forum LOL
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Ah, I've been around the WinMob forums a lot longer than it shows on my profile. Just as another disguise
I like your rotting tree analogy though - funny
For me, I just need usability that I can rely on and get to work quickly without too much fuss. I'm a tinkerer by nature and have loved flashing my winmob phones and trying out independent tweaks and what not - and I will miss you guys' work.
Just that I'm at a point today where I need to use my phone without doing stuff to it and get on with life for a bit.
I will resist breaking my piece of fruit from its fruity jail.
However any peeps out there got any good links for fruit forums I'm all ears (or eyes rather) on PM.
Cheers

Good Luck!
all the best!

All quiet on the Android front?

Its just a general observation, so now I get interested in running Android on my phone, the chatter, updates, discussions and info seems to have quietened down, was it something I said?
Looked at the XDA wiki for info and that hasn't been updated since 2009 (I put some updated info in there, but really it needs a complete re-write, its still listing version 1.1!), I don't feel qualified to re-write it, or I would. The HTC on Android site, seems also quiet, not listing the latest builds and some of the how to's seem out of date.
I guess its because the original developers have got new phone and moving on to bigger and brighter things, and fair enough, but where does that leave the rest of us?
I know I can't afford a new phone, so am stuck with what I've got, and really I'm happy with it, I know 50% of my office have Iphone's and consider my phone a 'brick' (it still does more than their Iphone's ha ).
So how can we keep this alive? get involved, Maintain the momentum and get people interested in Android development and testing on our devices, I'm not a cook (developer (well not of this kind, my work is Flex and Java back end stuff)), but can test builds (SD Card) or maintain doc's (if needed).
Myself I'm still only testing Android, I've not set this as my main OS yet, why? hum, well, battery seems to be number one issue. I don't know really what is stopping me from using it fully, maybe it 'seems' a bit rough at the edges, not got used to what button does what, (not always a direct mapping), I guess I just need to spend more time using it.
Anyway I'll stop blabbering on here, just wanted to get all that off my mind
Your thoughts? >>>>>

Android on Kaiser is far from dead, or dying, or even quiet, lol, I'm still beavering away trying to help others through the transition, although, the more users make the transition, the better, since they tend to help others in turn.
Behind the scenes there are a few things going on also, although there is a little bit of a feeling of waiting, since there is an expectation of 2.2 on the horizon now
Battery is not really so much of a problem as it was, yes, android still uses more power than winmo, but thats mostly down to the differences between the OS's rather than purely a device/driver issue. ( you should have been here in January, I actually overheated my battery to such an extent it warped the cover, and killed the battery , I had android running for 45 minutes, full to drained in 45 minutes produces a lot of heat ).
Builds are maturing nicely, and are a lot more stable than previously, all in all, it's perhaps not as much of a mad glorious race as it was, but it's still exciting

status: saving money for hd2 or evo

It's quiet here because most of the discussion seems to occur in the Vogue Android section. That's where a fair amount of work seems to come from, like Myn, DZO, and Incubus26Jc.
A lot has changed recently, especially in bugs and performance. GPS has improved a lot, to the point where I'd say it's stable.

wikis never stay up to date around here. anyone who cares just follows the individual dev threads as they change weekly/daily. start with stickies

Arrr I see, thank you, think I was having a bit of a 'slow day' thing going on, well I had time to update the wiki, I must have been bored!
Wow you killed a battery, 45 mins from full to flat, oh wow that's is bad, glad that has improved some what
I wasn't aware that the Vouge was similar to the Kiaser, so didn't think to look over there, so they share similar hardware?
Well since I started the thread, things have certainly picked up with the VaniljEclair release, whcih I am testing now, (wow that fonts are REALLY small!).
Good to there is there is still interesting and development going on.
Thank you for all the efforts, this really is cool stuff.

leona said:
I wasn't aware that the Vouge was similar to the Kiaser, so didn't think to look over there, so they share similar hardware?
Well since I started the thread, things have certainly picked up with the VaniljEclair release, whcih I am testing now, (wow that fonts are REALLY small!).
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they are similar enough to share general drivers. the android kernal allows boot parameters to determine which of a small group to load. these are hard coded so you must still install the correct nbh, but losers editor will take any .nbh and convert it to your phone since its just a parameter change. the android OS is like any other OS, all drivers are there and it picks the correct ones. in wimo the kernal and OS flash together with out boot options so you must get phone specific.
download roguetools from market and set the DPI higher. start with 120

Could be the warmer weather...

Thanks, I looked for RougeTools in the market but couldn't find it, so I installed the apps pack that comes with this build which had it in and then changed the dpi to 120, which is better, (still need to use a magnifier to read it but that's me, can't wait for a 'pinch zoom' type app ).
Is there a guide for using using / configuring Android anywhere?

XDA gives confidence in Android

I am new to xda-developers.com. I found this place because I wanted to try out android before getting an android phone. You see I am a IPhone user for 4 years. Don't get me wrong the integration of IPhone is sweet and even now do not see such amazing integration in Android. But I'm not a brand bigot.
So recently I purchased a Nook Color. I did this because I saw it as the least expensive choice for a capacitive touch screen tablet other than IPad. Keep in mind IPS screen is important to me, I'm a pro photographer and developer.
The reason I could make this step is xda-developers. I brought my Nook home and rooted it to phiremod v6 in the first 30 minutes. Added some things I like (angry birds, miren browser, flash 10, bible and some others).
So far the experience has been acceptable and I am learning each day. But what gives me confidence is the xda-developer network. It give me a good feeling that I will not be abandoned by hardware vendors as I have in the past (apple updates for years before finally reducing features to old phones).
All you guys rock. Keep up the good work. Soon I hope to get up and running on a development system (as soon as I can run the dev env in a virtualbox).
I am now carefully looking at the dell streak 5 (don't laugh I like the large screen).

Nice comments. XDA is a great site lots of committed techies sharing their knowledge......awesome........ I got the color nook as well cause I wanted for my 4 yr old . Now I love that thing so much fun to mod.
I like the 5" screen as well fits my hands and easier to see on it. Just wish it had a better op system..............still waiting for the S2

I notice that there is a lot of streaks on ebay for a good price. Is there a new version coming out? Just haven't seen any news/rumors about that.

XDA converted me from blackberry's to droids

I loved my streak try it out i dont figure a new one will be out for awhile! I now have a galaxy tab even bigger lol!

I was thinking the same thing (as the originator of this thread).
I got my first Android phone maybe 3 weeks ago, and since then I've used maybe 8 ROMs, each of which has its own strengths, and I was having a hard time deciding which to settle on...until...I tried Royal Ginger.
It looks and acts pretty much 100% like Cyanogen, but it doesn't have the 3G/4G connectivity problem of Cyanogen. In other words, it's freakin' bad-ass, and works 100%.
Anyway, like everyone else said, I would like my phone MUCH less without you people.
So, thanks.
RUJ

RUJoking said:
l...I tried Royal Ginger.
It looks and acts pretty much 100% like Cyanogen, but it doesn't have the 3G/4G connectivity problem of Cyanogen. In other words, it's freakin' bad-ass, and works 100%.
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On what phone

Today I Learned a LOT about HW acceleration and Android:

This girl knows her stuff:
http://goo.gl/6gyvj
(Never again will I complain about a Rom not having the smoothest scrolling in every situation: I had no idea how involved it all is, and how critical the memory issues can become.)
Anyone else besides me learn a lot from reading this?
Edit:
Read THIS as well: This guy fills in all the blanks I didn't even realize existed.... :
http://goo.gl/wmTeC
TL;DR:
There are some folks who work for Google that are freaking brilliant.

Good read, thank you for sharing. I was particularly interested in the comparisons drawn by the author to iOS browser rendering. It also makes you appreciate the additional processing power required by higher resolution devices, especially past the current defacto mobile standard 480x800, while aiming for 60fps (a mark held firmly by the developers if Forza 4 as well, among others).
What part will all this play in Google's efforts to limit fragmentation across devices and Android releases?

I had read the post from Dianne Hackborn the other day, however Andrew Munn's post helped tie it all together. His I had not read until now.
Thanks for the read...

cordell12 said:
I had read the post from Dianne Hackborn the other day, however Andrew Munn's post helped tie it all together. His I had not read until now.
Thanks for the read...
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Yeah, and I dunno if he is the "smarter" of the two, but he most assuredly is the better writer of the two, at least in terms of "breaking things down" for the layman/everyday user, IMHO.
I found the "Going Forward" portion of his post to be the most fascinating, but at the same time, the most unnerving part of his post:
To think that everything that we use today in Android today could have been done in a vastly different way but for one decision made at a single "fork in the road" years ago is kind of disheartening.
It really makes me wonder how Google will go about fixing it without having to "start from scratch", (because I don't REALLY think that's a viable option.)
It's kind of a shame that they can throw all this new, overpowered hardware at the OS, but still have the constraints of the OS's "overmultitasking" that create a bottleneck for ANY hardware.
I guess that's a reason we're seeing quad-core devices come out...
People say: "Why would ANYONE ever need a quad-core cellphone?"
Now, I understand why....
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Interesting reads, thanks. It seems as if the second author favors a more iphonish experience instead of what sets android apart from ios, true multi-tasking. It seems to me that as hardware continues to improve, and it will, ui "lag" will continually decrease and future phones will actually "grow" into the android framework. Ui lag on our phone is more of a perception than a reality, however the ability to have background programs continually run is a reality. As the author talks about moving more toward ios, ios seems to be moving more toward android. Of course I am by no means any kind of expert on this, but has android weathered the storm of lower spec'd hardware and now poised to be a better "future" OS?
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Nice, I only knew the basics of how prioritizing was done in android vs iOS, I prefer minor UI lag over one task takes all priority though, especially when android software utilizes multiple threads.
The VM is also a known limitation but it has gotten miles better since the old android days.
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Links are dead btw...

akarol said:
Links are dead btw...
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Links work fine.
Mebbe u had too many tasks running?
;-)
<<work in progress>>

ClutchR1 said:
Interesting reads, thanks. It seems as if the second author favors a more iphonish experience instead of what sets android apart from ios, true multi-tasking. It seems to me that as hardware continues to improve, and it will, ui "lag" will continually decrease and future phones will actually "grow" into the android framework. Ui lag on our phone is more of a perception than a reality, however the ability to have background programs continually run is a reality. As the author talks about moving more toward ios, ios seems to be moving more toward android. Of course I am by no means any kind of expert on this, but has android weathered the storm of lower spec'd hardware and now poised to be a better "future" OS?
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That's a good question. I like your take that hardware will continue to improve, to "make up the gap", and, I agree, hardware always will improve (ala Moore's Law), but I wonder if "too much multitasking" is such a good thing.
I think it'd be perfect to be able to switch completely, on the fly, between "realtime" UI rendering and "normal" UI rendering, if you so wished...
There are some times where I don't WANT too much multitasking, like the example given with the IMDB site...
When I'm trying to find out the name of the hot blonde girl from "Wild Things", I wouldn't really mind if Android took a break from opening all the other jpegs that surround that specific information.
(That was Denise Richards, btw...)
<<work in progress>>

Relevant:
I saw this reply as the top-ranked reply to the whole discussion on Reddit.com...
I have to say, I think they have a good point:
"Android is like, 3 years old. Preserving slowness for the sake of "legacy" at this point just seems crazy to me.When the Android team says "legacy," what they really mean is "old, abandoned apps that are no longer developed." Well guess what? No one wants to use old, abandoned apps that are no longer developed. They will be ugly, misaligned on higher resolution screens, and usually force close anyway. Do any apps on your phone look like they are from 1.6? No, because you've replaced them with modern apps.They hold up "legacy" like they are the Microsoft Windows team, but it seems like every week an app on Android needs to be updated to fix some issue it has with "this week's new phone". So Android's "legacy" support is purely imaginary. If my "what's new" logs are any indications, any app that isn't constantly updated will slowly accumulate problems on new phones.Stop holding back Android so the worst, ugliest apps can still kind of limp along on newer devices. No one cares about low quality apps.Now is the time to fix the stupid decisions you made when you were making a Blackberry clone. The longer you wait, the harder it will get. Write a new UI framework that values speed above all else. Support the old framework for the ~2 years of life Gingerbread has left (the 2 year old 1.6 is at 1%). Then dump it. Fix your problems and move on. Don't keep them around for your imaginary legacy support.It's almost 2012. Get your **** together. Apple got this right 4 years ago."
Opinions?

My adventures with the GS3

I traded an iPhone 4S with a gentleman from Kijiji for his Galaxy S3, around the time when the iPhone 5 was announced. Myself being an Apple fanboy since iPhone came out way back in 2007, and since the original 2G model I had since slaved to buy each model every release up to and including the 4S. Upon 5's announcement and press conference, I was underwhelmed, and decided it was time to jump ship, having in my opinion seen Apple beginning its fall from the top. Enter the Galaxy S3.
First thing I did when I finished my routine battery maintenance (this phone was brand new in a sealed box, and the guy traded me for my almost year old 4S.. what a steal!) was try to remember what my username/password was to XDA to see what cool stuff I could do - having an ancient HTC Touch I knew of the community and how awesome it was. My first, and possibly most difficult step was understanding terminology and what advantages of "Rooting" was. After a few weeks of reading and one exchange to Rogers after I bricked my phone (high five for pretending to be an idiot!), I finally felt comfortable with using Odin and the tools. I had no idea what this "Recovery" was, or what CWM was at the time, so a few stupid questions later I figured out how powerful (read: dangerous to idiots like myself) the recovery system was. After a few accidental wipes and another near-brick incident, I grew confident in using CWM Recovery. Time to start flashing ROMs and having fun!
A lengthy stint with a few of the Android ROMs, notably Intergalatic, BlackJelly, while both awesome ROMs, I eventually found that it was a lot of fluff and stuff I didn't need in a phone. Nothing against the ROM developers, they made/make an excellent product, but for me, I wanted something simple, basic.. hey look! over there! It's TASK650! Wow, what a smooth and stable ROM. While it was a rude awakening entering his threads and seeing such a significant amount of hate towards newbs asking questions already answered 10 times over, and receiving hate messages from members who wont be named for myself asking similar questions, I eventually grew to understand and enjoy the ROM for the majority of the time I've had the device.
A few times I dabbled in Paranoid variations, KANG and non-KANG, and even tested out a few of the other Original ASOP ROM's, but significant bugs unrelated to the development teams themselves had me growing more and more frustrated with the device to the point where I was contemplating switching devices all together, or returning to stock.
Well, this morning, March 26th 2013, I decided to go back. After about 3 hours of work, and over-confidence in my abilities to flash back to stock causing a few repeated steps, I managed to get back to stock, rooted, and debloated. I couldn't be happier at the time being. The device does what I want, the battery life is so far pretty damn good, almost on par with ktoonsez's Kernel settings (but still less).
What was the point of this post?
I'm not entirely sure to be honest. I wanted the community to know the story of a former Apple Fanboy. I also wanted everyone new here know that there are a significant amount of over-talented developers here doing awesome work aimed at their own niche group of people. I believe I personally gave every developer and ROM group a fair shot, and I wanted to thank each and everyone mentioned above and any other members who assisted me in my noobish misadventures. I also wanted to get the non-developers in this wonderful community to understand that it's OK being stock, but it's also OK to flash whatever ROM you want, ask your questions, read your FAQs and use Search - it's there for a reason.

Always good to try different platforms. I have done the android, ios and back to android thing. Been tooling around with my iPhone 4 lately as my son is getting it (20 months old) to play learning games on.
I was actually surprised that it still hauls pretty good arse in apps and games
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