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GPS activation coming!

First let me start off by saying thank you to everyone for all your great work and excellent posts, i have been a guest and member for a very long time but never need to post or had anything to contribute. thanks again now onto the GPS activation, i know this is a rather touchy subject for some so please dont bash if you disagree.
- I am switch from the 8525 (at&t) to the mogul (sprint) b/c i am saving 170$ although i loved my 8525. While learning and viewing the sprint forums for information about the mogul i found they have been having in depth conversation about the GPS.
1 - the gps is not believed to be stand alone
2 - the antenna issue from what i could read could or could not be there as sprint users took pictures on the phone and found what should be the gps antenna. but regard less when unlocked we should be able to A-GPS (a sort of triangulation between towers to give a approximate position).
3 - further proof that the gps must be able to work other than for emergency's is sprint's release of the EV-D0 rev. a ROM intended to unlock the gps in response to the TILT from ATT.
proof from HTC's site
"HTC is currently developing a separate ROM update which enables the EV-DO Rev. A and GPS capabilities that are already built into the Mogul hardware. Sprint and HTC plan to make this software ROM available in early 1Q 2008. We would also like to extend our thanks to those customers that have taken the time to identify and report these issues to us."
It would be my assumption but this is where i could be wrong and would like to open debate. the ROM should be able to be hacked allowing other hermes to unlock theyre GPS for use with other applications.
hope this excites some of you and gives you hope of one day getting your "gps enabled" or disabled hermes depending on how you look at it to work with tom tom or telenav etc..

omg,
i can´t believit, jejej.
If coming true, this will be the best notice i´ve heard about hermes.
Many thanks dsh897, i will follow this thread

proof from HTC's site
"HTC is currently developing a separate ROM update which enables the EV-DO Rev. A and GPS capabilities that are already built into the Mogul hardware. Sprint and HTC plan to make this software ROM available in early 1Q 2008. We would also like to extend our thanks to those customers that have taken the time to identify and report these issues to us."
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Do you have a direct link for this?

Amauta said:
Do you have a direct link for this?
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Google is your friend: http://www.america.htc.com/support/mogul/software-downloads.html
(about 2/3 the way down the page)

Thats a great news indeed
I still doubt abt the possibility of unlocking GPS in our Hermes.

As do I unfortunately, but more than happy to be proven wrong

noobish questions...
may i ask why only for the mogul? Is this something all hermes owners can benefit from?

great!!!
I hope so
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I am a little confused...... I thought it was widely agreed that it was not a software problem but a hardware problem..
Have I missed something ?

I thought this too - that there was no actual antenna hooked up to the GPS pins or something?

I am not sure what's the hardware similarities between hermes and mogul, but gps for hermes was discussed before...look in to this thread for more details
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=291181

ai6908 said:
I am not sure what's the hardware similarities between hermes and mogul, but gps for hermes was discussed before...look in to this thread for more details
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=291181
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Yeah, I followed this thread at the time. Is the mogul a rebranded hermes or is it a different phone ?

from what i'm seeing the mogul hardware is similar to the tilt and not the tytn ( they carry the same processor).. this meens it's not compatible with the hermes..... i could be wrong

madamada31 said:
from what i'm seeing the mogul hardware is similar to the tilt and not the tytn ( they carry the same processor).. this meens it's not compatible with the hermes..... i could be wrong
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It looks that way it has a qualcomm prosessor instead of the samsung

Guys weve been here before, check the threads on this.
The GPS hardware has been woken up and functions correctly.....however the pins are not connected to a suitable antenna. The most i detected on the Hermes was 2 sattelites and these were not real fixes either.
A hardware mod is required to get the GPS working on the hermes which can be done however wouldnt it be easier to just grab a cheap bluetooth module and settle with it?

Here are link 1 and link 2 to the old GPS for Hermes threads. GPS driver link. And yes Hermes has Samsung processor, but Hermes' radio chip is made by Qualcomm And that is the chip that matters for GPS). But as Mr. Vanx said there is no available antenna.

maybe some people would be willing to do a hardware mod, if it can be done

mrvanx said:
Guys weve been here before, check the threads on this.
The GPS hardware has been woken up and functions correctly.....however the pins are not connected to a suitable antenna. The most i detected on the Hermes was 2 sattelites and these were not real fixes either.
A hardware mod is required to get the GPS working on the hermes which can be done however wouldnt it be easier to just grab a cheap bluetooth module and settle with it?
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I followed both threads at the time with great interest. I wasn't sure if on occassion, this was something new that had been discovered previously or something that could have been missed. Obviously in this instance neither is the case

dsh897 said:
First let me start off by saying thank you to everyone for all your great work and excellent posts, i have been a guest and member for a very long time but never need to post or had anything to contribute. thanks again now onto the GPS activation, i know this is a rather touchy subject for some so please dont bash if you disagree.
- I am switch from the 8525 (at&t) to the mogul (sprint) b/c i am saving 170$ although i loved my 8525. While learning and viewing the sprint forums for information about the mogul i found they have been having in depth conversation about the GPS.
1 - the gps is not believed to be stand alone
2 - the antenna issue from what i could read could or could not be there as sprint users took pictures on the phone and found what should be the gps antenna. but regard less when unlocked we should be able to A-GPS (a sort of triangulation between towers to give a approximate position).
3 - further proof that the gps must be able to work other than for emergency's is sprint's release of the EV-D0 rev. a ROM intended to unlock the gps in response to the TILT from ATT.
proof from HTC's site
"HTC is currently developing a separate ROM update which enables the EV-DO Rev. A and GPS capabilities that are already built into the Mogul hardware. Sprint and HTC plan to make this software ROM available in early 1Q 2008. We would also like to extend our thanks to those customers that have taken the time to identify and report these issues to us."
It would be my assumption but this is where i could be wrong and would like to open debate. the ROM should be able to be hacked allowing other hermes to unlock theyre GPS for use with other applications.
hope this excites some of you and gives you hope of one day getting your "gps enabled" or disabled hermes depending on how you look at it to work with tom tom or telenav etc..
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That is very intresting, I'm intrigued to see if HTC rolls out a rom for Hermes like you describe (though I doubt it the Mogul has different chipsets, this issue has been explored at length in the forums). That said triangulation based GPS is already available for free for all windows mobile phones with the latest version of google maps, the thread is
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=348310
Install the new map, and click the my location option (right button top option) it will provide you with your triangulated location and is usually pretty close.

Seeing as Sprint (and therefore the Mogul) and AT&T (Hermes) use totally different radio technologies, I'm surprised that no one mentioned this earlier.
The Hermes is a GSM phone, operating on the GSM cell systems around the world.
The Mogul, being a Sprint phone, should function primarily on CDMA, just like Verizon.
That said, the hardware differences alone (processor aside) should make this discussion moot in my opinion. You just can't use a CDMA radio ROM on a GSM radio... and I would be highly surprised if the Mogul and Hermes were anything more than just similar looking phones.
Just as a side note... Google Maps now works moderately well on the Hermes, even without a GPS. I'm unsure if this is due to AT&T adding location information or to GMM being able to figure it out, but my phone knows where it is when I run GMM.
-Steve

Techtree review of WP7 gets it spot on

http://www.techtree.com/India/Reviews/Windows_Phone_7_Review_Part_2/551-114241-598-6.html
Unfortunately they were not able to fully test some features because they were getting blocked by country limitations. They were tolerant of this, although I find it shocking that companies can violate freedom of internet and free trade in this way. They still managed to do a very good review of the OS in its current state and assessment of what additions are needed.

CSMR said:
http://www.techtree.com/India/Reviews/Windows_Phone_7_Review_Part_2/551-114241-598-6.html
Unfortunately they were not able to fully test some features because they were getting blocked by country limitations. They were tolerant of this, although I find it shocking that companies can violate freedom of internet and free trade in this way. They still managed to do a very good review of the OS in its current state and assessment of what additions are needed.
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Features such as Zune are blocked by the ridiculous music / movie licensing groups that are unique to each country. It is a huge amount of work to get the license to sell stuff like that in other countries.
Xbox Live is being launched in different countries all over the world (was just recently launched in Russia, Poland, South Africa, Greece, Czech Republic, Hungary, Brazil, Colombia, and Chile) but requires a lot of infrastructure such as servers, billing infrastructure, etc. Also requires more people to be hired to manage the thing in those countries with their specific rules and regulations.
I find it weird though that in more than half of the countries that WP7 has officially been launched you are unable to purchase applications? I can't see what kind of usage rights can cause this so I'm assuming it's only a billing problem.
Good review, thanks for the link.

I wonder whether there are some differences in OS versions from device to device because on my Mozart I don't see any signs of many gripes people seem to have.
Gapless playback works, the Marketplace app works very fast, doesn't hang, crash, show black screens or whatever, applications install almost instantaneously, launch time is more or less on par with the iPhone (a bit slower, but I wouldn't notice if I hadn't read about it earlier). In fact, I still haven't encountered a single OS bug. I've seen quirks for sure and things like no way to upload an edited document are plain ridiculous, but then again this is counterweighed by the fact that other OSes fail even more miserably in some areas (e.g. Android phones completely fail to download attachments from my work Exchange, and nobody knows how to solve that, iPhone fails occasionally, but when it does, there's no way to tell it to re-download it, etc. etc.). The built-in Office is by far superior to all packages available on iOS/Android in terms of compatibility with ppt files I need to check on the go, etc.
Also, I became a huge fan of Zune Pass, and it's hard to imagine how I managed to live without it. To add to the topic, WP7 has absolutely stellar audio codecs. When I tried WP7 on HD2, I was literally stunned, I didn't think software could influence sound quality to such an extent. This is no cheap opensource stuff you get on Android, this is real iPhone level expensive quality.
So all in all I'm more positive about the OS than I was a while ago. I wouldn't recommend it to my friends or relatives here, but that's because of difficulties of setting up US accounts, need to jailbreak to install a Russian keyboard or a satnav app etc.

vangrieg said:
I wonder whether there are some differences in OS versions from device to device because on my Mozart I don't see any signs of many gripes people seem to have.
Gapless playback works
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Some fair points, but let me comment on the audio stuff. From what I've heard gapless playback is dependent on file format. So to say WP7 does not support gapless is correct as it's not guaranteed to work.
other OSes fail even more miserably in some areas (e.g. Android phones completely fail to download attachments from my work Exchange
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Agreed, how android can claim to support exchange is beyond me.
To add to the topic, WP7 has absolutely stellar audio codecs. When I tried WP7 on HD2, I was literally stunned, I didn't think software could influence sound quality to such an extent. This is no cheap opensource stuff you get on Android, this is real iPhone level expensive quality.
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Correctly working software does not influence sound quality, except through dsp software. It's true that (closed source) Android audio software is poor. Look at good opensource software, e.g rockbox or foobar2000, and you will see how infinitely superior to toy attempts like WP7. Only when you give 3rd party apps file system access (to access and organize music files directly) and multitasking will you have good audio support in WP7.

Before WP7 I also thought that software couldn't influence audio quality a lot. Now I see it does. And yes, I tried Rockbox e.a. I don't know how WP7 does it, maybe via properly written DSP drivers, maybe by paying chip manufacturers for some proprietary stuff, but the difference is huge.

vangrieg said:
Before WP7 I also thought that software couldn't influence audio quality a lot. Now I see it does. And yes, I tried Rockbox e.a. I don't know how WP7 does it, maybe via properly written DSP drivers, maybe by paying chip manufacturers for some proprietary stuff, but the difference is huge.
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If it's a software or hardware dsp issue, then there is a problem, since dsp should not be applied by default. Another possibility is HTC, producing a device named after a great composer, put in a decent headphone amp. These can be very bad and alter the frequency response or have an audible noise floor. A rightmark test will show this, but good on HTC if it did this.

We need an NFC revolution!

Hey all!
I love NFC, just as much as you - seeing as you're reading this in the NFC section, I assume you use NFC regularly. I think it'll be fantastic when it's main stream, however for it to become a truly mainstream it needs more data type. just like you get vCards, URL's, SMS's etc - I think we need more help from Google, Microsoft and all the hardware vendors - along with the NFC forum itself - to help extend NFC's capabilities.
Sure we on XDA know how to extend it's abilities - either by hacking it or knowing which app lets you do a certain additional function. Unfortunately normal members of the public won't know about the XDA way or about the apps. For example the problem is you can write an NFC tag to connect to a a device to a particular wifi network, however you need the app that wrote the tag or another app that understands what to do with the tag for it to work. Now the problem is that your guests probably won't have the app installed, so you'll have to connect them manually or download the app over 2G/3G/4G and depending on network strength - just like my area - could take a long time!
What came first, the chicken or the egg? What came first the wifi or the adoption of more standard / capabilities, across OS's / vendors ?
There are plenty more examples, but this is the most useful and self explanatory I can think of.
Please, please, please read my blog post about this and if you so wish, sign the petition, message the NFC Forum telling them to get their butt's into gear - message Google and the Android dev's do what you can to make NFC better and help it's adoption :good:
http://jaytongarnett.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/is-nfc-over-rated-we-need-nfc-20.html

TheLegendaryJay said:
Hey all!
I love NFC, just as much as you - seeing as you're reading this in the NFC section, I assume you use NFC regularly. I think it'll be fantastic when it's main stream, however for it to become a truly mainstream it needs more data type. just like you get vCards, URL's, SMS's etc - I think we need more help from Google, Microsoft and all the hardware vendors - along with the NFC forum itself - to help extend NFC's capabilities.
Sure we on XDA know how to extend it's abilities - either by hacking it or knowing which app lets you do a certain additional function. Unfortunately normal members of the public won't know about the XDA way or about the apps. For example the problem is you can write an NFC tag to connect to a a device to a particular wifi network, however you need the app that wrote the tag or another app that understands what to do with the tag for it to work. Now the problem is that your guests probably won't have the app installed, so you'll have to connect them manually or download the app over 2G/3G/4G and depending on network strength - just like my area - could take a long time!
What came first, the chicken or the egg? What came first the wifi or the adoption of more standard / capabilities, across OS's / vendors ?
There are plenty more examples, but this is the most useful and self explanatory I can think of.
Please, please, please read my blog post about this and if you so wish, sign the petition, message the NFC Forum telling them to get their butt's into gear - message Google and the Android dev's do what you can to make NFC better and help it's adoption :good:
http://jaytongarnett.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/is-nfc-over-rated-we-need-nfc-20.html
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As much as it pains me to say it...we need Apple to implement native NFC support in iOS. I was really excited to see Passbook (or whatever its called) and was nearly positive this meant NFC support for the iPhone 5. Unfortunately, not this go round. It's ok though, wait a couple iterations of iOS/iPhone and NFC will finally be deemed acceptable for the public...magically...revolutionarily.

I know, and I think why the heck should we wait? Apple might only bring NFC with the iPhone 7. What's the harm in trying to change it now?
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I haven't used it much, but I am for interested. I guess I need a better understanding of its purpose and how I can use it in everyday situations. I already use wifi-direct for a bunch of transferring.
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booyakasha said:
As much as it pains me to say it...we need Apple to implement native NFC support in iOS. I was really excited to see Passbook (or whatever its called) and was nearly positive this meant NFC support for the iPhone 5. Unfortunately, not this go round. It's ok though, wait a couple iterations of iOS/iPhone and NFC will finally be deemed acceptable for the public...magically...revolutionarily.
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The fanboys say that apple is afraid of NFC till they can develop a version of their own that is "Secure"...

Souler19 said:
The fanboys say that apple is afraid of NFC till they can develop a version of their own that is "Secure"...
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Yeah, they need something the can control - they need to devise a way to make money out of it otherwise it's not in their interest.
I know this is XDA Developers and we can make NFC do what we want, but we all have people in our lives who won't even use NFC because they don't know about it or know what it can do which is why I'd like us to make a change at the OS level on behalf of all of our non-technical friends and family. Let's get the big players like Google, Microsoft and anyone else that's already using NFC in their products to want to make a change - for Grandma

Lets be honest guys, the majority of people around us have iPhones, mainly 4s's. Imagine if all of them had NFC and we could all play nicely sharking playlists and sending phone numbers to eachother?

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Yeah, they need something the can control - they need to devise a way to make money out of it otherwise it's not in their interest.
I know this is XDA Developers and we can make NFC do what we want, but we all have people in our lives who won't even use NFC because they don't know about it or know what it can do which is why I'd like us to make a change at the OS level on behalf of all of our non-technical friends and family. Let's get the big players like Google, Microsoft and anyone else that's already using NFC in their products to want to make a change - for Grandma
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NFC is the next big thing just give it time. once it rolls out. more in new devices we shall see. it's development grow more and any phone worth it's salt will have to have it

I agree - a revolution. Right now, when I mention NFC to most people they give me that "HUH???" expression. Then I have to explain what it is and then I have to give them examples of what it can do. Seems like almost no one knows what it is or has any idea all the cool things you can do with it.
What we need is a Samsung or Google or HTC to run a commercial that features people using NFC - with tags to automate stuff at home/work, with Google Wallet to pay for stuff, other things. Then the average person would be like "oh I know what that is - I saw it on a commercial"
Unfortunately right now it seems like it's just us tech geeks who know about it...

hollywoodfrodo said:
I agree - a revolution. Right now, when I mention NFC to most people they give me that "HUH???" expression. Then I have to explain what it is and then I have to give them examples of what it can do. Seems like almost no one knows what it is or has any idea all the cool things you can do with it.
What we need is a Samsung or Google or HTC to run a commercial that features people using NFC - with tags to automate stuff at home/work, with Google Wallet to pay for stuff, other things. Then the average person would be like "oh I know what that is - I saw it on a commercial"
Unfortunately right now it seems like it's just us tech geeks who know about it...
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Dont call us geeks;p j/k
Well, we've already got a very usefull feature for NFC like very fast files transfer, the only what we need is more phones that support it. It will be as famous as bluetooth i think hopefully
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gallardo5 said:
Dont call us geeks;p j/k
Well, we've already got a very usefull feature for NFC like very fast files transfer, the only what we need is more phones that support it. It will be as famous as bluetooth i think hopefully
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How much data can actually be transfered via NFC? I always thought the bandwidth for transfers was rather small, which is why most items transfered are under 144 bytes.
For larger transfers wouldn't using NFC for the handshake then Bluetooth for data transfers be better?
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I have to admit I am one of those people who do not know about its capabilites. I know what it is and have it activated on my phone, but what can I do with it...I do not know besides I think you can tranfer pictures, phone numbers and stuff.
Can someone maybe explain it in more detail and tell us about its uses? Maybe I should have done a search about NFC (Near Field Communications) before I wrote this.
P.S. I wish more people would put the acronym meaning after the acronym, like I did above, in this forum...ooh that gives me an idea!! (light in head goes off!! lol)

Psichi said:
How much data can actually be transfered via NFC? I always thought the bandwidth for transfers was rather small, which is why most items transfered are under 144 bytes.
For larger transfers wouldn't using NFC for the handshake then Bluetooth for data transfers be better?
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I cannot tell you if there is a limit in filesize, but since the biggest NFC tags you can buy at the moment (afaik) are 8kb, anything beyond 1mb is most likely to take to long to be economic.

Bluetooth 4.0 issue!! please star this to get googles attention to fix this!!

http://code.google.com/p/android/is...rs&colspec=ID Type Status Owner Summary Stars
We need bluetooth 4.0 to be activated...too many products are becoming available that use this and we are not able to. Its not just us galaxy nexus ownners either..its even the new nexus and galaxy notes. Pass this along so we can get as many people to make this a priority for google to fix!

newtonfb said:
http://code.google.com/p/android/is...rs&colspec=ID Type Status Owner Summary Stars
We need bluetooth 4.0 to be activated...too many products are becoming available that use this and we are not able to. Its not just us galaxy nexus ownners either..its even the new nexus and galaxy notes. Pass this along so we can get as many people to make this a priority for google to fix!
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Too bad. Google never gonna do it, good luck finding devs that will, it's not worth the frustration.

gnustomp said:
Too bad. Google never gonna do it, good luck finding devs that will, it's not worth the frustration.
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Howd you know that? Any sources?

DasEtwas said:
Howd you know that? Any sources?
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If Google wanted BT 4 on the phone they would have released it with it. They aren't found going to this for a phone they'll be dropping support for soon anyway.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk HD

Why? I mean honestly...why? What devices out there truly support the full advantages of Bluetooth 4.0 (meaning BLE) that you would actually use on your phone? Name us 5 actual, reasonable, affordable, and available devices that would interest the community which support BT4.0+BLE. Because I would love to know. (and no offense but heart monitors don't count)
To my understanding BT4.0 only brings BLE if the chip used supports BLE. This is an optional feature; not just automatically included. Remember...there is a difference between a device having Bluetooth 4.0 and having Bluetooth 4.0 BLE. (someone correct me if I'm wrong)
I've read a couple different articles and posts going back and forth on whether or not the chip inside the Galaxy Nexus truly supports BT 4.0+BLE or is just BT 4.0 compatible without BLE capabilities. And even if it does...odds are the next Nexus device will run Android 5.0 with full BT4.0+BLE support (pure speculation on my part, just running the odds). I would rather Google engineers be working on that - than a phone that was meant for developers....not actually a flagship device as everyone wants to claim. (This is my opinion on the matter)
Just because a device has the markings of Bluetooth 4.0 doesn't mean it automatically get's all the advantages of BLE. The device must specifically state that it supports BLE. And so far, I haven't really seen anything on the market that supports BLE that makes me go:
"Holy crap, I need this product...we must have this on our phone now!"
This same marketing scheme was addressed with BT 3.0 and 3.0+HS (AKA 3.1). Everyone slapped on BT 3.0 numbers but didn't include 3.0+HS on the product. Creates product hype and people will buy it without doing research.

Why? So that we can play with devices like this:
http://www.indiegogo.com/meterplug/x/1655370?c=home
sola fide said:
Why? I mean honestly...why? What devices out there truly support the full advantages of Bluetooth 4.0 (meaning BLE) that you would actually use on your phone? Name us 5 actual, reasonable, affordable, and available devices that would interest the community which support BT4.0+BLE. Because I would love to know. (and no offense but heart monitors don't count)
This same marketing scheme was addressed with BT 3.0 and 3.0+HS (AKA 3.1). Everyone slapped on BT 3.0 numbers but didn't include 3.0+HS on the product. Creates product hype and people will buy it without doing research.
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id628 said:
Why? So that we can play with devices like this:
http://www.indiegogo.com/meterplug/x/1655370?c=home
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Notice it says Bluetooth 4.0....and does not mention BLE. Meaning it's backwards compatible with Bluetooth 3.0 and the differences without BLE are minimal for this type of device. So....basically no need for 4.0 implementation on the Galaxy Nexus to use this toy.
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Yet another one is the Motes system: http://igg.me/at/motes/x/1655370
Another one is all the new automatic door locks. The list is growing quickly if you look at Indiegogo and Kickstarter...
sola fide said:
Why? I mean honestly...why? What devices out there truly support the full advantages of Bluetooth 4.0 (meaning BLE) that you would actually use on your phone? Name us 5 actual, reasonable, affordable, and available devices that would interest the community which support BT4.0+BLE. Because I would love to know. (and no offense but heart monitors don't count)
To my understanding BT4.0 only brings BLE if the chip used supports BLE. This is an optional feature; not just automatically included. Remember...there is a difference between a device having Bluetooth 4.0 and having Bluetooth 4.0 BLE. (someone correct me if I'm wrong)
I've read a couple different articles and posts going back and forth on whether or not the chip inside the Galaxy Nexus truly supports BT 4.0+BLE or is just BT 4.0 compatible without BLE capabilities. And even if it does...odds are the next Nexus device will run Android 5.0 with full BT4.0+BLE support (pure speculation on my part, just running the odds). I would rather Google engineers be working on that - than a phone that was meant for developers....not actually a flagship device as everyone wants to claim. (This is my opinion on the matter)
Just because a device has the markings of Bluetooth 4.0 doesn't mean it automatically get's all the advantages of BLE. The device must specifically state that it supports BLE. And so far, I haven't really seen anything on the market that supports BLE that makes me go:
"Holy crap, I need this product...we must have this on our phone now!"
This same marketing scheme was addressed with BT 3.0 and 3.0+HS (AKA 3.1). Everyone slapped on BT 3.0 numbers but didn't include 3.0+HS on the product. Creates product hype and people will buy it without doing research.
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id628 said:
Yet another one is the Motes system: http://igg.me/at/motes/x/1655370
Another one is all the new automatic door locks. The list is growing quickly if you look at Indiegogo and Kickstarter...
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Yes, 6 months later the Indiegogo and Kickstarter projects are beginning. And the list is beginning to grow. However, there is still no confirmation, that I've seen, that the SGN has 4.0+BLE. We've only seen that it has a chip with 4.0 capability. Without BLE support, the access to 4.0 won't be as advantageous for all these new devices as some might think.
Plus, how long will it take for these new jump-start companies/devices to be funded, and complete, and available? It took almost a year for the Pebble watch and CooKoo watch to finally be released to investors. This Fall the SGN will be 2 years old. Around the corner is another rumored Nexus Device. How much manpower is Google going to actually devote to the software development in the Galaxy Nexus in future upgrade releases? I hope it will be there; but probably not a lot. The focus right now is the Nexus 4 and whatever the next gen Nexus device is. I'm not arguing against the addition of 4.0 (and hopefully 4.0+BLE) software upgrades to the SGN; but I think users making a demand for it at this point is a little over the top.
If Android 4.3 does indeed have the support for BT 4.0 as rumored you'll find out if it actually has BLE or not. If it doesn't...you're just gaining the newest Bluetooth stack without any of the power savings (maybe some slight power savings)....which might (or might not) work with all these new creations.

NXP Controller HCE for Google Wallet

Decompile the NFC applications and libraries to gain control of the NFC HCE controller and enable true Tap and Pay abilities for AOSP based ROMs.
All files NFC related are here: http://www.tinozplace.com/NFCProject/
Within this zip: http://www.tinozplace.com/NFCProject/NFC_HTC1.zip are the files from the Google Play Edition's Stock rom. This one of the phone's that the NXP stack works properly. But ONLY in the "Stock" rom from Google.
Currently we need to reverse engineer/decompile the JNI CPP files to get them inserted in AOSP based ROMs like CM.
If you'd like to become a developer in this project please let me know via PM.
XDA:DevDB Information
NXP Controller HCE for Google Wallet, a App for the No Device
Contributors
abuttino
Version Information
Status: Testing
Created 2013-12-17
Last Updated 2013-12-17

Hi!
I just have a Nexus 4 which has the Broadcom chipset inside, so please excuse if I am completly wrong here. On the Nexus 4 I can use HCE perfectly with cyanogenmod 11 (as the Broadcom drivers are all there in the source tree).
But I had the impression that the NXP drivers also are there:
Here the jni sources for NXP for the "com.android.nfc" package (which should end up as "Nfc.apk" on the device)
https://android.googlesource.com/platform/packages/apps/Nfc/+/android-4.4.2_r1/nxp/jni/
And here the lowlevel libnfc for NXP (the broadcom one is named "libnfc-nci"):
https://android.googlesource.com/platform/external/libnfc-nxp/+/android-4.4.2_r1/src/
Isn't that what you are looking for am I completly wrong here?
Kind regards,
john

Tony, i'd totally be willing to help out if i knew what i was looking for :/ I really want this to get figured out and wish i knew more about programming. Let me know if there's anything a guy with 'basic' knowledge can help out with

androcheck said:
Hi!
I just have a Nexus 4 which has the Broadcom chipset inside, so please excuse if I am completly wrong here. On the Nexus 4 I can use HCE perfectly with cyanogenmod 11 (as the Broadcom drivers are all there in the source tree).
But I had the impression that the NXP drivers also are there:
Here the jni sources for NXP for the "com.android.nfc" package (which should end up as "Nfc.apk" on the device)
https://android.googlesource.com/platform/packages/apps/Nfc/+/android-4.4.2_r1/nxp/jni/
And here the lowlevel libnfc for NXP (the broadcom one is named "libnfc-nci"):
https://android.googlesource.com/platform/external/libnfc-nxp/+/android-4.4.2_r1/src/
Isn't that what you are looking for am I completly wrong here?
Kind regards,
john
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Those have always been there and have been for years. The problem is that when HCE was added to AOSP - it was only added for Broadcom (NCI) chipsets. On the NXP side of things, only stubs were added.
Actually, libnfc-nxp appears to have at least SOME HCE capability (and has for quite some time) - but packages/apps/Nfc is completely missing HCE as anything but "do nothing" stubs.
There are closed-source implementations of NXP HCE on the Google Play Edition HTC One and Xperia Z Ultra, but no open source implementations for non-GPe devices.

Thank you for clarification! :good:
I wasn't aware of this fact. It's a sad decision of Google not to to release the source for both chipsets then.
Just for my personal interest: how did this work for phones like Nexus S back in days of cyanogenmod 9?
I remember the guys behind NFCproxy and SimplyTapp recommending phones like the Nexus S because the SimplyTapp HCE patches for cyanogenmod 9 only work with NXP chipsets (so I regretted to have a broadcom chipset at this time).
So how did this happen that we now have full HCE support on broadcom but not on NXP? (I understand that the 2011 nxp patches were just a hack, and may be of no use for today's situation)
How the things change...
edit: @Entropy512: Ah ok, I just read your Google wallet related posts on Google+ (which I should have done before) now I understand the situation better..

hi
thanks you

androcheck said:
Thank you for clarification! :good:
I wasn't aware of this fact. It's a sad decision of Google not to to release the source for both chipsets then.
Just for my personal interest: how did this work for phones like Nexus S back in days of cyanogenmod 9?
I remember the guys behind NFCproxy and SimplyTapp recommending phones like the Nexus S because the SimplyTapp HCE patches for cyanogenmod 9 only work with NXP chipsets (so I regretted to have a broadcom chipset at this time).
So how did this happen that we now have full HCE support on broadcom but not on NXP? (I understand that the 2011 nxp patches were just a hack, and may be of no use for today's situation)
How the things change...
edit: @Entropy512: Ah ok, I just read your Google wallet related posts on Google+ (which I should have done before) now I understand the situation better..
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That's the thing that REALLY mystifies me - The Tapp guys claim they worked with Google on HCE.
However, there isn't a single commit in the history for Google HCE that comes from anyone at Tapp, the architecture of the solutions is VERY different, and last (but not least) - the Tapp guys exclusively supported NXP NFC chipsets (Up until the Nexus 4, almost nothing had a Broadcom/NCI chipset and the Tapp patches were written before that), and Google is completely missing NXP HCE support...

azreark1 said:
Tony, i'd totally be willing to help out if i knew what i was looking for :/ I really want this to get figured out and wish i knew more about programming. Let me know if there's anything a guy with 'basic' knowledge can help out with
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We really can't do anything until the code is decompiled. If you know people that can help, that is always a good start
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Entropy512 said:
That's the thing that REALLY mystifies me - The Tapp guys claim they worked with Google on HCE.
However, there isn't a single commit in the history for Google HCE that comes from anyone at Tapp, the architecture of the solutions is VERY different, and last (but not least) - the Tapp guys exclusively supported NXP NFC chipsets (Up until the Nexus 4, almost nothing had a Broadcom/NCI chipset and the Tapp patches were written before that), and Google is completely missing NXP HCE support...
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Yager, right?
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What about just tearing the NFC stack out of a NXP chipset's ROM?
I really don't see why this isn't possible.

abuttino said:
What about just tearing the NFC stack out of a NXP chipset's ROM?
I really don't see why this isn't possible.
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Because it's binaries, not source.

Weird. If I take the NFC APK from the Sony GPe and resign it with platform testkeys (so it'll work on a self-built AOSP firmware), along with the Sony GPe's libnfc and libpn544_fw - Wallet STILL does not respond to payment terminals on my Oppo N1.
Won't be able to look at the logcat from my last attempt until tomorrow.

The oppo has NXP? That is kind of odd, I would figure that they'd put it together with a working wallet
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I have the ability to decompile the files. Can someone point me to the needed files and I shall see what I can do.
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They should be in the first post on this thread
I'll be on top of this tomorrow
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This is what i've decompiled so far. Ill continue to post what I find as I go.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BweamVOxcuOmV0YtYVJZVUl1clU/edit?usp=sharing

Theoretically, if we just ported this GPe ROM for our own devices, wouldn't that work?

Entropy answered this question about 4 posts up
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Borderpatrol1987 said:
This is what i've decompiled so far. Ill continue to post what I find as I go.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BweamVOxcuOmT08yN3JMSWljeE0/edit?usp=sharing
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Can you put this on pastebin.com?
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abuttino said:
Can you put this on pastebin.com?
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File is to big for pastebin.