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I am currently running the latest Incredikernel and it runs just fine to me. Seems to speed up my system most of the time. But I am considering trying invisiblek#28. Which one is better? Should I stick to my current one? or move to the invisiblek?
Invisiblek is for aosp roms and can't be used for sense roms. The two kernels are not interchangeable.
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I am new to the whole ROM and Kernel thing. What exactly is an AOSP rom and how is it different? I currently have the stock rom. Nothing special, except for the incredikernel.
Futur Innovations said:
I am new to the whole ROM and Kernel thing. What exactly is an AOSP rom and how is it different? I currently have the stock rom. Nothing special, except for the incredikernel.
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Basically, there are two types of ROMs for the DInc. Sense, and AOSP. Sense ROMs are based off of HTC's Sense UI (as per the name). Kernels such as incredikernel are designed for such ROMs, and from my understanding are based off of HTC's Kernel source code (or at the least, are designed to work properly with Sense UI).
AOSP ROMs are based off the Android Open Source Project. They're the ones that pull the "Stock Feel" (stock as per Google's UI, anyway), with the exception of MIUI, which is still AOSP but is HEAVILY modified... as much if not more so than Sense, Blur, or other manufacturer UIs, but it complies with Google's design and still uses AOSP kernels.
Anyway, you either use one or the other - so if you use Cyanogen, Ruby, LithiumMod, UltimateDroid, MIUI... ugh, there are tons of AOSP ROMs out there, make sure you use an AOSP kernel. The dev's normally have it blatantly obvious in the title of the thread whether or not it's "sense" or "aosp."
Welcome to the rooting world! Just make sure to do your research before flashing or doing anything and you'll be good. Read, read, read! Even if the thread is like, 500 pages... read em all. I can guarantee all questions have been asked/answered somewhere. Trust me... I'm still trying to keep up with the threads I read, and I've been hardcore in this since I got my DInc on pre-order (back in April).
AOSP stands for "Android Open Source Project" and these do not have the HTC sense features included in the ROMS. Sense ROMS come preloaded with the HTC Sense features ie. Peep, Facebook for HTC Sense, HTC Calender etc...
I have found that I get better battery life with AOSP ROMS since there is not as much syncing activity going on in the background...
How would I go about checking what kind of clockwork mod version? And how do I "flash" a rom? Do I simply install it using the zip just like I did for the incredikernel, or is it another process all together? Oh, and which is the best way to back up everything before installing a rom? Can I jump back and forth between roms as if they were separate home-replacements? Sorry for all the questions. Lol
Both my Brother and I like the Sense UI, I am a big fan of Myn's Sense based ROM's after trying out the many other different ROM's based off CM 7, or other variants, I always come back to Sense.
Anyways been rocking Myn's RS 5 for months, my most favorite and stable ROM for me. I told my Brother he needs a good ROM, not just a standard root, he said he does have a good ROM, it's called HTC EVO 4G , meaning the stock phone, he doesn't see the point in what a sense based ROM could possibly add or do for him ?
What would you Sense ROM's guys/gals have to add or say to this ?
In my opinion, some roms might have a few tweaks in them but most of the roms that I see now are just themed stock roms.
I don't want to seem like I'm not giving credit to the devs for everything they do, but it seems like many "roms" should just be in the theme section as they are just built off some other devs work.
Zorachus said:
Both my Brother and I like the Sense UI, I am a big fan of Myn's Sense based ROM's after trying out the many other different ROM's based off CM 7, or other variants, I always come back to Sense.
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You are not alone and Myn's Warm TwoPointTwo RLS-5 is one of my favorites and IS my favorite Sense rom.
Anyways been rocking Myn's RS 5 for months, my most favorite and stable ROM for me. I told my Brother he needs a good ROM, not just a standard root, he said he does have a good ROM, it's called HTC EVO 4G , meaning the stock phone, he doesn't see the point in what a sense based ROM could possibly add or do for him ?
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First of all, understand that his "stock phone" is Sense-based. HTC Sense comes default on the EVO 4G. Anyway, your brother seems to be totally satisfied with what he has and has no plans to switch. If that is the case, let him be. If he wasn't impressed with the classy and elegant look of Myn's rom then I doubt he'll be convinced to change from the stock Sense look....
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Been wondering the same thing....
For the most part, seems like I mine as well re-flash to stock sense. Remove whatever bloatware/etc and apply themes as I like. With maybe a kernel change.
In the end, thats all a "custom rom" is if Im not mistaken... Kernel + Themes, sometimes with a poor implementation that causes things to break.
cloud007 said:
Been wondering the same thing....
For the most part, seems like I mine as well re-flash to stock sense. Remove whatever bloatware/etc and apply themes as I like. With maybe a kernel change.
In the end, thats all a "custom rom" is if Im not mistaken... Kernel + Themes, sometimes with a poor implementation that causes things to break.
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Some roms are just themes, other roms have some tweaks to them. Usually, people use the framework from one developer and just theme it up. Some just use a stock rom and theme it up.
Its not fair to some developers to say that they have not tweaked their rom at all but just add some color and a battery percentage indicator or a splash screen.
Taking a Sense 2.0 rom from one device and porting it over to a device that came defaulted with Sense 1.0 and making it work is more than merely adding themes. Furthermore, many of the talented devs started out by merely customizing their devices to suit their personal tastes, hence the name "custom" roms. Other people liked their customization which prompted them to make it available to anyone who wanted it. Still, custom roms are not for everyone. Guys like Myn, xHAUSx, Koni, TommyTomatoe and a boatload of others are very talented at what they do and should be recognized as such...at least in my opinion...
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Some roms are just themes, other roms have some tweaks to them. Usually, people use the framework from one developer and just theme it up. Some just use a stock rom and theme it up.
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Sure, but what kinda tweaks are we talking about? Thats what Im asking more or less.
CM for instance, to me, feels like a stock AOSP rom with their custom Kernel. They obviously did a good bit more by customizing the kernel n such, but as I said before... I could just flash their kernel + use whatever themes I want, no?
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Its not fair to some developers to say that they have not tweaked their rom at all but just add some color and a battery percentage indicator or a splash screen.
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My understanding is that battery indicator, boot animations, etc fall into the theme category.
Stock vs Rooted:
Rooted ROMs are optimized.
Better A2SD functionality.
Better battery life.
FREE WIFI TETHERING!
No bloatware.
Ability to theme.
Ability to do a LOT more things with your phone. Change lockscreens etc.
Ability to get full HDMI mirroring.
Sense vs AOSP:
AOSP is usually faster as Sense takes up space.
Sense has better widgets.
AOSP + 3rd party launcher like Launcher Pro + Beautiful widgets can give you the same things as Sense with a performance gain.
Landscape functionality for homescreens
Sense is a launcher. There are launcher replacements such as LauncherPro, ADW, and SPB Shell 3D. LauncherPro and ADW are more a lot faster than HTC is. LauncherPro has widgets for calendar and Friends which is similar to Sense. Beautiful widgets can give you a Sense like clock and weather animations.
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Stock vs Rooted:
Rooted ROMs are optimized.
Better A2SD functionality.
Better battery life.
FREE WIFI TETHERING!
No bloatware.
Ability to theme.
Ability to do a LOT more things with your phone. Change lockscreens etc.
Ability to get full HDMI mirroring.
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Are the roms optimized or is the Kenerel optimized? That was my original question . Thus far, roms feel like UI packages with a kernel of the devs choice.
If Im not mistaken... battery life would be dependent on the Kernel, not the rom.
Stock vs Rooted was never a question. Im running Warm2.2 atm and considering going back to Rooted Stock (as the OPs brother has done).
As my Stock will be rooted, I wont have bloatware. I will be able to theme, mirror HDMI, change lockscreens/bootanimations,etc
Sense vs AOSP:
AOSP is usually faster as Sense takes up space.
Sense has better widgets.
AOSP + 3rd party launcher like Launcher Pro + Beautiful widgets can give you the same things as Sense with a performance gain.
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CM7 RC3 is the only AOSP rom I used. Used it for a week then moved back to a sense rom. My main gripes with it were the lousy Dialer, Widgets, and I dont really care for the camera UI either. However someone in IRC pointed me to the GO Dialer, in turn I found Go Weather, Go SMS, Go Launcher... these have all solved most of my gripes, with the exception of the Dialer. CM7 RC3 also seemed to be rather batter hungry and always had an annoying notification about dialing *28 for voicemail when I had none.
Aside from this, don't AOSP roms also lack some core functionality that Sense roms have? I don't remember the specifics, but IIRC, no HDMI, many lack 4G, etc.
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Taking a Sense 2.0 rom from one device and porting it over to a device that came defaulted with Sense 1.0 and making it work is more than merely adding themes. Furthermore, many of the talented devs started out by merely customizing their devices to suit their personal tastes, hence the name "custom" roms. Other people liked their customization which prompted them made it available to anyone who wanted it. Still, custom roms are not for everyone. Guys like Myn, xHAUSx, Koni, TommyTomatoe and a boatload of others are very talented at what they do and should be recognized as such...at least in my opinion...
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Good post, I agree
dougjamal said:
Taking a Sense 2.0 rom from one device and porting it over to a device that came defaulted with Sense 1.0 and making it work is more than merely adding themes. Furthermore, many of the talented devs started out by merely customizing their devices to suit their personal tastes, hence the name "custom" roms. Other people liked their customization which prompted them to make it available to anyone who wanted it. Still, custom roms are not for everyone. Guys like Myn, xHAUSx, Koni, TommyTomatoe and a boatload of others are very talented at what they do and should be recognized as such...at least in my opinion...
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I also totally agree with this. It should also be noted that along with an upgraded sense, some of these other ROMs give you an update to Gingerbread. Just something else to take into consideration when it comes to reasons for switching ROMs.
cloud007 said:
Are the roms optimized or is the Kenerel optimized? That was my original question . Thus far, roms feel like UI packages with a kernel of the devs choice.
If Im not mistaken... battery life would be dependent on the Kernel, not the rom.
Stock vs Rooted was never a question. Im running Warm2.2 atm and considering going back to Rooted Stock (as the OPs brother has done).
As my Stock will be rooted, I wont have bloatware. I will be able to theme, mirror HDMI, change lockscreens/bootanimations,etc
Sense vs AOSP:
AOSP is usually faster as Sense takes up space.
Sense has better widgets.
AOSP + 3rd party launcher like Launcher Pro + Beautiful widgets can give you the same things as Sense with a performance gain.
Landscape functionality for homescreens
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CM7 RC3 is the only AOSP rom I used. Used it for a week then moved back to a sense rom. My main gripes with it were the lousy Dialer, Widgets, and I dont really care for the camera UI either. However someone in IRC pointed me to the GO Dialer, in turn I found Go Weather, Go SMS, Go Launcher... these have all solved most of my gripes, with the exception of the Dialer. CM7 RC3 also seemed to be rather batter hungry and always had an annoying notification about dialing *28 for voicemail when I had none.
Aside from this, don't AOSP roms also lack some core functionality that Sense roms have? I don't remember the specifics, but IIRC, no HDMI, many lack 4G, etc.[/QUOTE]
In the past yes. I was on a sense based ROM for awhile but constantly switched between that and CM. Finally when CM7 reverse engineered 4G and HDMI, I've been rocking that out like it's going out of style. I just love how speedy and responsive it is. Thought honestly, in my opinion, if you put enough widgets and crap on the home screens like there are in Sense based ROMs the speed will even out. Just from what I've experienced though.
Hi all,
The Dev Forum seems to be pretty abundant with Sense-based ROMs at the moment, and I guess that's to be expected with 3.0 being everyone's new(ish) favourite thing, but not all of us are Sense fans and I just wanted to get people's opinions on the current state of play concerning AOSP ROMs and their latest versions, especially around battery life.
What have you used / are you using, and how do the current suite of AOSP ROMs compare with each other in terms of battery life (but other stuff as well)?
I'd love to hear about people's recent experiences.
Thanks.
This rom is the best aosp rom I've used yet. Blazing fast and amazing battery life.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1070501
I tried Gingerbeast, HydrogenMod, Hikari, CyanogenMod and Ginger S and I can't seem to get any of them to be 100% fully functional. I've had a problem with bluetooth not working, not being able to import contacts, the home button stops working, com.android.phone force closing, etc. I've full wiped, reinstalled, fixed permissions, etc, but I can't get any AOSP rom to work. Surely there must be a leak of the AOSP rom that HTC use before adding Sense and other HTC addons?
While AOSP roms are light wight and seem fast they will never compare to roms built off of sense roms. Why you ask. Look at the roms like CM7 and other AOSP roms, they have to use open source drivers that dont make full use of the hardware. Like wifi and blue tooth. Both lose 25% strength because of the Open Source drivers instead of using the drivers built for the Phone like the closed source HTC drivers.
Umm, apologies if I've confused myself out of sheer ignorance, but can't you just flash a custom kernel like Lordmod's excellent one, which DOES contain official DHD phone drivers?
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Umm, apologies if I've confused myself out of sheer ignorance, but can't you just flash a custom kernel like Lordmod's excellent one, which DOES contain official DHD phone drivers?
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Sense based kernels will not work on an AOSP roms
LM is a aosp kernel.
i don't see any problems with pretty much all of the AOSP kernels i have used (Most CM based ones, quite a few Miui Ones, and the default CM7). The Wifi and BT work, gaming is pretty good, and its also much less laggy (Sense based roms occasionally freeze for no reason. Its annoying with music playing)
The only thing i dislike about AOSP roms is the camera which doesnt have touch to focus video recording, but pretty much every other sense feature can be replaced by a free, custom app (LauncherPro is much better than rosie 3.0/.5, custom video players play more movies, etc.)
you could always flash a sense/rosie/app remover on top of a sense based rom
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LM is a aosp kernel.
i don't see any problems with pretty much all of the AOSP kernels i have used (Most CM based ones, quite a few Miui Ones, and the default CM7). The Wifi and BT work, gaming is pretty good, and its also much less laggy (Sense based roms occasionally freeze for no reason. Its annoying with music playing)
The only thing i dislike about AOSP roms is the camera which doesnt have touch to focus video recording, but pretty much every other sense feature can be replaced by a free, custom app (LauncherPro is much better than rosie 3.0/.5, custom video players play more movies, etc.)
you could always flash a sense/rosie/app remover on top of a sense based rom
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Unless you needed to connect to a spicific type of network or need BT to work a certain way you wouldn't notice it.
zelendel said:
While AOSP roms are light wight and seem fast they will never compare to roms built off of sense roms. Why you ask. Look at the roms like CM7 and other AOSP roms, they have to use open source drivers that dont make full use of the hardware. Like wifi and blue tooth. Both lose 25% strength because of the Open Source drivers instead of using the drivers built for the Phone like the closed source HTC drivers.
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Yeah, not sure about that 25% statement, mate.
I've been running CM7 Nightlies or CM-based ROMS for a while now and, if anything, I've noticed a significant improvement in connectivity (in general) from what I previously experienced on Sense ROMs. I'm sure that Lord Clockan's excellent kernels have a lot to do with it, but anyway...
I suppose everyone's experience is different.
Hy,
I am also a HUGE fan of AOSP. Since I bought my DHD it had Sense for one day because I had no time to flash. I also spent some time comparing Sense vs. AOSP Roms, and can say that AOSP has better performance on my DHD then Sense and always used them with the kernel they come with.
Aosp all the way. My recommended roms:
Oxygen Rom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1348425
TalonRom:
http://code.google.com/p/talon-rom/
OMFGB:
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/6052-aospcustom-gingerbreadomfgb-131-nightlies/
OMGB:
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/7923-rompure-gingerbreadomgb-123237/
All are my personal favorites.
Regards
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All are my personal favorites.
Regards
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Hmm Not sure that makes sense!
does anybody know how to get better audio quality on aosp roms? it sounds like absolute garbage and ive since gone back to a sense rom. dsp manager sucks and viper4android didnt make much of a difference....
Offtopic : thats why i stopped using any of the roms based of CM, too many issues and they are never stable. not worth it to put so much energy on in my opinion. Unless you own a nexus. then yea , i can undestand installing a cm based rom.
I'm thinking of Camera quality of Custom ROMs. Is the Camera quality the same across Custom ROMs (e.g. Viper, ICE, LeeDroid, LOS, AICP...)? How is it compared with Stock firmware? Would anyone here please explain my concern.
Thank you very much
On Roms based on HTC Sense the quality is exactly the same..can't comment on the AOSP roms, since they do not use the same stock camera application.
Thanks for the clarification. Let's wait for other custom Rom user's confirmation
There is not much to confirm...custom roms based on HTC Sense use the same software as the stock roms. AOSP roms don't/can't do that. Does not mean the quality has to be worse...but it could, at least it won't offer the different video/camera modes the stock camera does.
If you are interested in AOSP roms...then simply try it out.