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[Q] Recovery Mode Lost after flashing ROM

Maybe this is by design and I'm just missing something. I got a new e4gt and proceeded to root it using instructions found on epic4gtouchroot.com. Basically I used odin to flash a stock EL29 ROM and then install team Rogue's CWM.
All went well with this process so I proceeded to the next step, which was to download and install a custom ROM. I installed the VeNuM ICE 5.5 since I'm a comic book nerd as well as a computer geek.
This wasn't my first time rooting. I've been rooting my EVO for a year of so, and I've rooted my Wife's Nook Tablet too, so I was a bit shocked to see that the Team Rogue CWM recovery program went bye-bye after flashing the VeNuM ROM.
I downloaded ROM manager and tried to flash the latest CWM recovery program from there, but that dind't work. I haven't tried to download the touch recovery, but I was able to reinstall the Rogue CWM recovery program, which then hosed up my ROM. I actually thought I bricked my phone for a minute, but I was able to go back into Rogue Recovery and re-flash the VeNuM ROM.
All went well and I'm back into my phone, but now again when I reboot into recovery mode, I have "Android System Recovery <3e>" like an abridged version of CWM. I don't have near as many options and wonder what's going on.
I never lost my recovery mode before when flashing a ROM. Is there some sort of custom recovery included with this ROM, or am I doing something wrong?

hi. im pretty new at this also, but i think i know the answer to this. well. not really the answer, but i know how to get clockwork recovery back onto the venum rom you are using now. you need Odin3-v1.85 (just google it) and the clockwork recovery StockCWM-EL26.tar (google). Then you put your phone in odin mode, volume down and power from powered off state, run the program, check the PDA option and browse for the stockcwm file, plug in usb and hit start. That'll put the recovery back on your phone.
But as I've been reading, a lot of times, you cannot just download the rom onto the phone or sd card and flash new roms using the cwm recovery. something about the gingerbread and ics and different kernels. .... =D

Please read the "How not to brick your e4gt" or how ever it goes in general. You need to stay away from rom manager and any touch recoveries. To answer your question, rogue recovery went away because the Venum ICE rom has the stock recovery packed in because of all the custom recovery/bricking issues we've been having with ICS. So the Dev left out custom recovery included with his rom
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I'm not sure what recovery Venum comes with but this might be by design since custom CWM recovery is not installed by design on most ICS roms.
First of all read through this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1525495
You chose to flash ICS; if you had chosen Gingerbread this would not be an issue so please read on... ROM manager should NOT be used with ICS. Since you are new, the only CWM recovery you should be using is the stockcwm-el26 posted here: http://chris41g.devphone.org/index.php?dir=EpicTouch/Stock+Repack/EL26/
Lastly and most important:
Flashing ICS can be a very dangerous thing for your phone if done improperly. Even flashing back to Gingerbread from ICS can go wrong.
Please do not do any further flashing of ICS without reading and understanding the process of flashing ICS safely!
Also, please feel free to ask lots of questions until you are comfortable with the entire process. That is why we are here.
Edit: Sorry for the very strict tone throughout. You have a very nice WORKING phone and we see a lot of newbies flashing over to ICS without a full understanding of what can go horribly wrong. We also see users asking for help here daily because they have bricked their phone (many times with no hope for repair or recovery).

Maybe I'm just lucky?
Ok, so I read a little more (two straight days of XDA has left me a bit un-productive at work) and I see now the difference between the Samsung phone and the HTC phone I had before. Samsung does partitioning a bit different, or maybe it's just ICS, but either way as you explained in your post, the recovery has to be packed into the ROM. Makes sense now. I was thinking that the recovery was a different eeProm chip, therfore flashing a ROM shouldn't affect the recovery, now I know that's not the case.
After I read, a bit more, I actually did what it's been suggested not to do, and that's install ROM manager. From ROM manager I installed the custom recovery and have successfully booted to this several times without incident, and in fact have flashed both another ROM (VeNuM Anakonda), a Theme for this Rom, and the S Voice update 4 exe file. I don't seem to be having any trouble using Rom manager to boot into recovery mode.
Venum ICE was a bit much for me, way too many bells and whistles that I could potentially blow up my phone with which still could happen. Anyway, I like the Anakonda rom and will probably stick with it a while. I can't get s Voice to stabalize, but that seems to be the only problem I've got, so I'll live with that.

BBJon said:
Ok, so I read a little more (two straight days of XDA has left me a bit un-productive at work) and I see now the difference between the Samsung phone and the HTC phone I had before. Samsung does partitioning a bit different, or maybe it's just ICS, but either way as you explained in your post, the recovery has to be packed into the ROM. Makes sense now. I was thinking that the recovery was a different eeProm chip, therfore flashing a ROM shouldn't affect the recovery, now I know that's not the case.
After I read, a bit more, I actually did what it's been suggested not to do, and that's install ROM manager. From ROM manager I installed the custom recovery and have successfully booted to this several times without incident, and in fact have flashed both another ROM (VeNuM Anakonda), a Theme for this Rom, and the S Voice update 4 exe file. I don't seem to be having any trouble using Rom manager to boot into recovery mode.
Venum ICE was a bit much for me, way too many bells and whistles that I could potentially blow up my phone with which still could happen. Anyway, I like the Anakonda rom and will probably stick with it a while. I can't get s Voice to stabalize, but that seems to be the only problem I've got, so I'll live with that.
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Coming in late to this thread but I would like to re-iterate what was said about ROM manager and pretty much everything tdunham said. Because you have been, so far lucky, does not mean that luck will continue. Best advice is to remove it and not use it. If you read through some more posts you will see that the bricking doesn't always happen on the first, second, third flash. It can all of a sudden appear. We've had VERY experienced developers brick their phones, so to think you won't just because you've been lucky is not wise.
But some of the comanailities are clear - using ICS recovery to wipe/restore and using ROM manager. Just thought I'd point that out.
If you're coming over from a different phone (HTC etc) check out Qbking77's videos. They are very informative too.
Good luck and have fun.

I'm glad that the op did some reading and had some extra help here. Our phones can be confusing but with extra reading it can be figured out. We try to list the kernel that's in the rom and these are all listed in the development section in some form or another with explanations of what they have, ie cwm or rogue recovery... In addition most of our roms list a change log that you can read that will tell what each version of the rom has in it in case you would rather use an older version. And we keep the older roms posted too... anyway happy flashing !

I've bricked my phone a few time messing around with different ICS roms and kernals. I go back and odin EL29 rooted...start all over from scratch. Try using new recovey kernals posted on ACS. I'm on FE22 with the ACS recovery and am having no issues with flashing zips and making backups as well restoring.
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There are some repacked recoveries that Steady used to make for ICS before he disappeared. Those were never and still aren't safe for flashing ROMs though. It's safest to Odin/Mobile ODIN CWM EL26 tar whenever you need recovery and then flash whatever and then reflash an ICS kernel without recovery so that your phone boots
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Minimalistic Rooting fc09 / 2.3.6

Want to root wife's epic and keep stock rom & kernel. Is there a way to do this w/o installing cwm? Is it possible to root but be able to do a factory reset and all will go back to unrooted if the phone needs to go back to the store... or would I have to Odin the stock back in (and nothing else).
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No it is not. Only a custom kernel will allow you to keep root and CWM. There is a very stock like FC09 ROM that even has instructions on how to get back the Sprint bootanimation. The only thing you would have to remove is Superuser.
Here is the ROM:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1580931&highlight=fc09+stock+deodexed
Qbking77 even has a video on How to root samsung epic on FC09 on youtube.

Perhaps a little re-wording. I'm okay with custom kernel rooted rom but don't want a custom recovery rom like cwm.. If possible I want to get it rooted button be able to use stock recovery and tell it to do a factory reset and it'll wipe out kernel and rom back to unrooted stock so I don't have to Odin the stock back on if it needs to go in (ie if usb port goes out).
Since its the wife's I wanted to make it easier to go back to stock. For my Evo I've had no personal issues with using custom recovery and full mods/roms) and prefer it.
If I have to go full cwm can you suggest a rom/kernel combo? She's happy with stock look & feel.. Just want to be able to have root and remove bloat.. But keep the sprint app for paying the bill and sprint tv.
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Factory reset does not wipe kernel. You will need to Odin no matter what or keep the kernel. Factory reset does not remove root either since su is in the system directory. So what I recommended is the closest with instructions on how to restore stock recovery. You can google How to root the Samsung Epic on EL30 youtube video by qbking77 and you will get root and custom kernel without CWM. But like I said without Odin you will be have that kernel and su. You will be able to delete su with root explorer though.
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kennyglass123 said:
Factory reset does not wipe kernel. You will need to Odin no matter what or keep the kernel. Factory reset does not remove root either since su is in the system directory. So what I recommended is the closest with instructions on how to restore stock recovery. You can google How to root the Samsung Epic on EL30 youtube video by qbking77 and you will get root and custom kernel without CWM. But like I said without Odin you will be have that kernel and su. You will be able to delete su with root explorer though.
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I may ask earthbound if he will make a one-click root... seeing how all you have to do is make it flash recovery, flash su, remove the recoveryboot.sh (or whatever) and then its done. That way people wont have to use odin that or if i could figure out how to make one that would be cool.

Gusmode said:
Want to root wife's epic and keep stock rom & kernel. Is there a way to do this w/o installing cwm? Is it possible to root but be able to do a factory reset and all will go back to unrooted if the phone needs to go back to the store... or would I have to Odin the stock back in (and nothing else).
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Aghast, not another wife's phone ...
I always chime into situations like this to say- the only wife-friendly phone is a stock phone. (Unless she is actually here herself, rooting her own phone and installing her own ROM or kernel.)
sent from a secret, wife-free, underground bunker

ÜBER™ said:
I may ask earthbound if he will make a one-click root... seeing how all you have to do is make it flash recovery, flash su, remove the recoveryboot.sh (or whatever) and then its done. That way people wont have to use odin that or if i could figure out how to make one that would be cool.
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The one click root methods stopped working because the exploit was blocked on GB. He would have to develop a new way to get adb to install all those files in their right places.
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If I'm understanding you correctly you want root, stock, no cwm.... well with these new builds of gingerbread it should be possible because of the overwrite script for the recovery... odin in cwm without auto reboot checked... pull battery, boot into cwm immediately, flash the su.zip found on qbking77 how to root and then boot... you "should" have root now, with no custom kernel or rom, and the script should have overwrote cwm, exactly what you wanted...

mjben said:
Aghast, not another wife's phone ...
I always chime into situations like this to say- the only wife-friendly phone is a stock phone. (Unless she is actually here herself, rooting her own phone and installing her own ROM or kernel.)
sent from a secret, wife-free, underground bunker
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I don't understand this sentiment. my wife loves CM7 and understands if something don't work she lets me know and I will fix it when I have a chance. It is just like her compute I fix that all the time too.

Need a little help

I flashed Super Galaxy Rom 1.2 the other day, not realizing it didn't have a custom recovery. I've tried everything to get one back on there, but nothing seems to work. I've read all the posts about using odin and/or heimdall to UNROOT the phone, but I really don't want to go that far. All I want is a custom recovery so I can go back to my previous rom, or another that has a custom recovery. ROM manager doesn't seem to want to flash CWM, which is the way I did it before, so I'm really kind of lost here. I have access to my Macbook, no Windows computer available. No need to unroot my phone, just want my custom recovery back that I had on SGR 1.1..

your gonna need to use odin of some sort but you can use mobil odin if you dont have access to a pc. Get it from the market and flash el26 kernal with cwm then you can flash the rom you want. You will not be able to boot into your current ics rom after flashing that kernal though untill you flash a new rom. Make sure you put the kernal in the pda slot of odin.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1662295&highlight=el26+kernal
Thats the link for the kernals just get the one that says reccomended for flashing ics roms due to emmc bug get the el29 or el26 just make sure when you get into recovery it is version 5.0.2.7

Thanks a lot rbTrucking. I've been a flash-aholic ever since I got this thing rooted a couple years ago. I've run into this once before, is there a reason why people don't put custom recovery into their roms? I definitely want to go back to GB for the battery life and overall stability of everything.
It all worked. Thanks a ton!!

TwinsFan said:
Thanks a lot rbTrucking. I've been a flash-aholic ever since I got this thing rooted a couple years ago. I've run into this once before, is there a reason why people don't put custom recovery into their roms? I definitely want to go back to GB for the battery life and overall stability of everything.
It all worked. Thanks a ton!!
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No problem glad I could help! The reason they dont put custom recoveries in ics roms is because the kernal source hasnt been released yet and many people were bricking trying to flash with ics recoveries.

Samsung noob needs some help

Back around may i flashed my gf's gs2 to ics akop and it was an ordeal with odin and recovery and whatnot. At the time my friend had one too and helped walk me through it, but hes moved onto the gs3. Im used to htcs where i just need to flash a recovery and rom and im good to go, and i see some talk of safe recovery so it looks like things have gotten better. Shes having all kinds of problems with this akop build and id like to get her on something new, hopefully something cm10 based, but have no idea what all that entails. It looks like her kernel is fe07, if someone could let me know what i need to do to get her on a better rom id greatly appreciate it

Us in mobile Odin or desktop Odin to flash a kernel. I would highly recommend el26+cwm5 its a kernel with recovery built in because that's how our phone does the recovery. After you have el26 kernel installed it won't boot. Its OK. This just means you have an ics rom trying to use a gb kernel. Just push and hold both the power button and volume up until you get in recovery. This is the safest kernel to flash from. Then once in recovery go ahead and flash your cm10.
Things you will need.
1. el26kernel with cwm5.
2. Rom you want to flash.
3. Either mobile Odin by chain fire or desktop Odin with drivers already installed.
4. Calkulins format all.zip is highly recommended to use so you don't have traces of hour last rom messing things up.
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Thanks for the detail. So with having a gb kernel whats going to allow it to boot once i install cm10? Once cm is installed, do i have to go through that whole process again to flash another rom if i want?

kellybrf said:
Thanks for the detail. So with having a gb kernel whats going to allow it to boot once i install cm10? Once cm is installed, do i have to go through that whole process again to flash another rom if i want?
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Cm10 should have a safe recovery, but you can if you want to be doubly sure. When you install cm it will have the jb kernel with it so all you have to do is rom gapps and boot. Highly recommend mobile Odin for going to el26 recovery because it makes it soo much faster and easier.

When you flash a rom from that el26 kernel, it will be overwritten. The kernel is packed into the rom. So by flashing cm10 you will now have a new kernel.
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[Q] Moving to this phone

Hello everyone over at the Epic 4G area, I will be moving to this phone from the HTC Evo 4G I have a couple roms posted up over there. I know little about this phone and was kind of hoping you guys could introduce me into it such as how to root it, whats good for roms and what to be careful and anything else lol.

SaintZ93 said:
Hello everyone over at the Epic 4G area, I will be moving to this phone from the HTC Evo 4G I have a couple roms posted up over there. I know little about this phone and was kind of hoping you guys could introduce me into it such as how to root it, whats good for roms and what to be careful and anything else lol.
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There's a guide and even videos by qbking77 via youtube on rooting. Must use Odin to root. One-clicks died with Froyo for this device.
Each phone reacts differently to each rom, and Android version. Highly recommend you just try out whatever ones look good to you. (IE: my phone just can't handle JB. The limited RAM is a deal breaker for me. Everything is laggy, slow and unusable. I stick with ICS. Others have absolutely no issues running JB.)

Okay thank you, what's with the whole BML and MTD thing?

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Okay thank you, what's with the whole BML and MTD thing?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20779060&postcount=3
Stock is BML.
Anything above Gingerbread is MTD. Some of the Gingerbread roms are MTD, and are noted as such.
CWM v5.0.2.7 is BML only, anything higher is MTD only.

So if I understand this correctly, if I flash any rom that is 2.3.7 and under is BML and ics and above is MTD?

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So if I understand this correctly, if I flash any rom that is 2.3.7 and under is BML and ics and above is MTD?
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Correct, except for the few 2.3 Roms that are MTD
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Ahh okay thank you, I think I'm understanding it a little better. So if I want say CM on my phone, I'll have to convert to MTD and in order to go back to a ROM like stock or something similar I have to odin back to complete stock then re root?

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Ahh okay thank you, I think I'm understanding it a little better. So if I want say CM on my phone, I'll have to convert to MTD and in order to go back to a ROM like stock or something similar I have to odin back to complete stock then re root?
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All of our MTD-based roms automatically check BML/MTD partition state. If you're on BML, the install script will auto-convert you to MTD.
In order to go back to a BML rom, whether stock or not, you need to use Odin to reformat.
I don't think you would technically need to flash stock and re-root, but is always recommended to flash stock (Re-rooting isn't necessary). You would have to format using Odin and also flash CWM 5.0.2.7. Battery pull. Put battery back and 3-finger boot into recovery and flash away.

I see now sorry for the noob questions, just so use to HTC Evo and LTE Evo lol but how do I get my computer to read this phone. I installed the drivers and everything and it doesn't even want to show computer sync on the phone

SaintZ93 said:
I see now sorry for the noob questions, just so use to HTC Evo and LTE Evo lol but how do I get my computer to read this phone. I installed the drivers and everything and it doesn't even want to show computer sync on the phone
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Make sure you aren't plugged into a USB hub or emulated port. Plug the cord into a port directly on the motherboard.

Okay I finally got it connected, needed a different data cable. Now do you think you could explain to me how to root better, the video is old and a bit confusing. What do I have to choose for the FC09 the MTD or BML, could you or anyone give me like a small step by step please!

SaintZ93 said:
Okay I finally got it connected, needed a different data cable. Now do you think you could explain to me how to root better, the video is old and a bit confusing. What do I have to choose for the FC09 the MTD or BML, could you or anyone give me like a small step by step please!
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Root:
Power down device
Open keyboard, press and hold both the 1 key and power button. This places the phone into download mode.
Plug the device into your computer, and most likely drivers will install. Allow that to finish before proceeding.
Within Odin, wait until you see COM and a port number appear. That means your phone is recognized.
Next, uncheck all boxes on the left side, including auto-reboot.
Place the victory_8G_100528.pit file in the PIT box. Place CWM v5.0.2.7 .bin/.tar/.md5 file in the PDA box.
Click start and will complete relatively quickly.
Disconnect the phone from USB and pull the battery out.
Replace battery.
Press and hold Vol down, Camera and Power buttons until the capacitative lights light up, then release. This will place you in recovery mode.
From there you will boot into CWM, where you can flash whatever you want (custom rom or a compatible kernel for FC09 & SuperSU) off the SD card. So place those files prior to doing all the above.
Keep in mind, that if you want to remain on stock FC09, but rooted, you will need to flash a custom kernel. The stock kernel will replace CWM with stock recovery every time. That is why in the list above you must disable auto-reboot and battery pull.
All files are in my devhost, in my signature. If not, then they expired and I can reupload them if notified.
From stock, if you want to flash a MTD rom you will encounter the following:
Partition will be converted to MTD
MTD compatible version of CWM (v5.5+) will be installed
Recovery will auto-reboot
You must manually flash the same rom again in the new CWM version.
Rom will install
You may need to reflash the rom in CWM if you run into a stuck boot or boot loop.

Thank you so much! I really appreciate it. I will be doing this later tonight and let you know how everything goes

Just letting you know I rooted successfully and running supernexus! Thank you so much for all your help, much appreciated!