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6.1 WM Napster Music Problem

I am running V15 of the WM 6.1 Ricky Rom.
Iv used some other versions with the same problem....
The phone syncs with my Napster-To-Go service and lets me add songs all I want but when I go to play on the phone it wont play just says "Cannot play any items in the playlist". "An unknown error 0X800700C1 has occurred"
Any help or ideas would be helpfull.

I can confirm this...I have this issue as well. It worked fine using the last HTC 6.0 rom.

Another thing I noticed is once I do try to play the music and get the errors the whole phone basicaly crashes. If I push the task manager shortcut it says not a valid Ce Application same for the start button and the power button doesnt respond so i have to remove the battery.

niko5 said:
Another thing I noticed is once I do try to play the music and get the errors the whole phone basicaly crashes. If I push the task manager shortcut it says not a valid Ce Application same for the start button and the power button doesnt respond so i have to remove the battery.
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I don't have that problem. You may need to reflash the rom to fix that.

is napster to go music DRM free??.. as i know, the only firmwares letting you play drm'ed music are the htc's ones.

What is DRM?

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What is DRM?
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drm is a kind of protection that allows M$, napster, yahoo and other online music stores to limit the usage of digital media legally acquired.
to play drm-protected content your digital player (in this case your s620) must be compatible with PLAYS FOR SURE standard. as i know, the s620 is not recognized as a "plays for sure" device under windows media player, so you might not be able to play protected content on it (i've used zune marketplace to buy drm'd music and i cannot even copy it to my phone)
more info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management

gab0 said:
drm is a kind of protection that allows M$, napster, yahoo and other online music stores to limit the usage of digital media legally acquired.
to play drm-protected content your digital player (in this case your s620) must be compatible with PLAYS FOR SURE standard. as i know, the s620 is not recognized as a "plays for sure" device under windows media player, so you might not be able to play protected content on it (i've used zune marketplace to buy drm'd music and i cannot even copy it to my phone)
more info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management
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Plays for Sure is only one type of DRM. The iTunes store uses a different type that is incompatible with Plays for Sure, and the Zune marketplace uses yet another DRM. That's the jist of it though.

That sux. It did work with the T-Mobile official rom and the latest HTC WM6 rom but maybe this one isent certified or whatever...
Wonder if theres any digital rights file or something I can copy over to make it work... I pay for the music from napster and napster regonizes my phone just seems like it should work.

Any update?
Does anyone know of a fix for this yet?
I just got napster as a gift and if this works I'll keep it.
OR is there a way to remove DRM from my napster tracks and make them regular MP3's?

skisteven1 said:
Plays for Sure is only one type of DRM. The iTunes store uses a different type that is incompatible with Plays for Sure, and the Zune marketplace uses yet another DRM. That's the jist of it though.
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indeed, you're right.. i was talking about the plays for sure drm (that is used by napster....
cmcgrail said:
Does anyone know of a fix for this yet?
I just got napster as a gift and if this works I'll keep it.
OR is there a way to remove DRM from my napster tracks and make them regular MP3's?
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to remove the DRM from the tracks you legally own, you can use 3rd party software like tunebite... search for it in torrent sites and if you like it, buy it (i don't support software piracy)

Should We Install The Zune Software Now?

Im already sold on Windows Phone 7 ill be getting one as soon as verizon launches a htc phone with a big screen and keyboard, but i was wondering if i go to download the zune software now will this be the same software compatible with the phones? and is there anything we can do now with our phones or mp3 collection with the software now in preparation? like add album artwork or anything with the zune software? im trying to get use to the software before the phones launch

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Im already sold on Windows Phone 7 ill be getting one as soon as verizon launches a htc phone with a big screen and keyboard, but i was wondering if i go to download the zune software now will this be the same software compatible with the phones? and is there anything we can do now with our phones or mp3 collection with the software now in preparation? like add album artwork or anything with the zune software? im trying to get use to the software before the phones launch
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the current downloadable vers of zune does not support wp7 however zune client will inform you of the new update with wp7 included.. with that said i would go ahead and install it to add all your music, videos and pics it is truly the best music, video client i have ever seen light years ahead of that lame itunes and it does not recopy your music and use up all of your hd space recopying all your music.

Yes, you should definitely install it. It's awesome software with or without Windows Phone.

paperclips said:
Yes, you should definitely install it. It's awesome software with or without Windows Phone.
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Agree with you. It can be a replacement of windows media player. of course, I am using it now, even though i did not own zune device. great performance, quick start up than windows media player, nicer, more functionalities and one most important function which is you can set and add your own media folder to the Zune player.
Scenario: if you placed all your music in the desk top "music folder", you can add this directory into zune and zune will recognise them and add them into your music playlist without create a new database like itunes did.
Give it a try...I'm sure you will like it...

i just downloaded it and its asking for a account in order to play specific content what kind of account do i need to make?
edit: does it matter if i use a aol or hotmail/msn account to register with zune

deadwrong03 said:
i just downloaded it and its asking for a account in order to play specific content what kind of account do i need to make?
edit: does it matter if i use a aol or hotmail/msn account to register with zune
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I didn't experienced this scenario before. however, i think it is doesn't matter you use which account, but it's more convenient if you use hotmail....because both are Microsoft products and there should be a mutual link between them and easy for you to remember the password when you use microsoft's products.

just to update u guys i downloaded it and its AMAZING never had a zune before but this interface is amazing and you can burn cds with this as well i will be using this over windows media player from now on havent tried burning a cd yet.
for those with a zune player are u able to get album art like u can on the desktop version? i wonder if we will be able to get album art with the wp7 version

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just to update u guys i downloaded it and its AMAZING never had a zune before but this interface is amazing and you can burn cds with this as well i will be using this over windows media player from now on havent tried burning a cd yet.
for those with a zune player are u able to get album art like u can on the desktop version? i wonder if we will be able to get album art with the wp7 version
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haha,yea,this player is awesome....love it right?
wow,if WP7 can grab album art like what the desktop version did, it would be perfect...

sylau90 said:
haha,yea,this player is awesome....love it right?
wow,if WP7 can grab album art like what the desktop version did, it would be perfect...
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LOVE IT i've been playing music all day and night lol never did that with windows media player i even played it and fell asleep

I enjoy using the Smart DJ feature in Zune. It is similar to Pandora in some ways. Really looking forward to WP7 I just hope the battery life can handle my music playing.

deadwrong03 said:
LOVE IT i've been playing music all day and night lol never did that with windows media player i even played it and fell asleep
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I was a zuner since 2007 I am happy to say =)
it definitely is 10x better than apple itunes and anything else around at the moment.

sylau90 said:
haha,yea,this player is awesome....love it right?
wow,if WP7 can grab album art like what the desktop version did, it would be perfect...
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WP7 vers of zune will also grab album art and display the artist in the background just like the desktop vers..

rruffman said:
WP7 vers of zune will also grab album art and display the artist in the background just like the desktop vers..
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Wow, really? thats cool...thanks for your information...It would be nice,when using 3G or Wifi to grab album art...without access to PC.

OP I was thinking the same thing, and I did install Zune.
My thoughts;
It looks cool, the interface is 'fresh' and makes iTunes look dated.
But the biggest problem is that I can't seem to managed the actual files and can't 'show in explorer'. That's a real problem for me as I let itunes organise my music so my file structure is a nightmare to actually edit files outside of using itunes to browse. (any tips)
I also find it quite slow, (1.3ghz 2g RAM), which was disappointing. If I had a better PC it might be better.
I think I may stick to iTunes, its not a big deal to sync as a phone is only going to hold ~10g anyway.

sylau90 said:
Wow, really? thats cool...thanks for your information...It would be nice,when using 3G or Wifi to grab album art...without access to PC.
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I don't think it will do that (unless you buy something from the Marketplace or use a Zune Pass). But it definitely does pull down all sorts of info like artist bios and other artwork/pictures. It might rely on being properly categorized/labeled first when it's been synced in which the Zune software will take care of for the most part. Also, when you plug your phone into any power, it can hop on your WiFi connection automatically and sync wirelessly.

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Wow, really? thats cool...thanks for your information...It would be nice,when using 3G or Wifi to grab album art...without access to PC.
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I think you mis understood me it will dl it from the web not your desktop (the zune on you phone that is) using what ever internet connection you are using on you phone at the time.

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I don't think it will do that (unless you buy something from the Marketplace or use a Zune Pass). But it definitely does pull down all sorts of info like artist bios and other artwork/pictures. It might rely on being properly categorized/labeled first when it's been synced in which the Zune software will take care of for the most part. Also, when you plug your phone into any power, it can hop on your WiFi connection automatically and sync wirelessly.
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as long as the song have the correct title, album and artist it will get the album art. no zune pass needed. it works just like the desktop vers.

shouldnt there be a zune upgrade sometime this week or on monday since the official launch of windows phone 7 will be takin place monday?

deadwrong03 said:
shouldnt there be a zune upgrade sometime this week or on monday since the official launch of windows phone 7 will be takin place monday?
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Seems like a reasonable assumption, but since there won't actually be any phones available until the end of the month we might have to wait for the new ZUNE software until then.

[Q] Zune - The unsung hero of Windows Phone?

I bought an HTC HD7 on launch. I also owned an HTC Desire (unlocked and unbranded which I've now given to Mum).
O2 has a 14 day return period. Anyway I decided I really like the Phone. Many people bang on about what Windows Phone doesn't yet have, instead of what it does. I could mention sublime push email, Office, Xbox Live, beautiful apps, very smooth, fast and accurate scrolling, tapping and pinch to zoom, tellme, the best osk ever on a mobile etc.
But for me as a big music fan who always watches video on my device the killer feature is Zune. The Zune sub is £8/month but you get access to millions of DRM's songs and 10 MPs to download or stream. The Zune software on the Phone is awesome and better than the iPod player on the iPhone is which was the gold standard.
But for me the stand out is the Zune PC software. It is so fast, beautiful and works really well. As a Jukebox it blows iTunes (the weak link for PC + iPhone customers) out of the water. I love the Zune client. Things like out of the box wireless sync of your media is science fiction to our Android and iPhone friends.
Suggestions for Microsoft:
1. Please support the avi container.
2. Please support the divx/xvid codec.
3. Please allow the saving of MP3s directly from IE.
4. Please add a podcast section to the Zune platform in the UK like the US.
5. Please expand the film collection and add a zunepass subscription option for films for say £10/month.
Even without certain functions that will arrive in 2011, Windows Phone is enough to make me forget the touchscreen fiasco that was Windows Mobile 6.x.

100% agree. I have a Zune HD and love the overall Zune style and interface + the Zune Pass is an awesome deal that makes you discover new music.
Still have to wait here in the states for Sprint and the HTC 7 Pro...

The zune HD interface is actually nicer. Now that you have access to zune proper, if you need a seperate media player you should totes get one.

IM0001 said:
100% agree. I have a Zune HD and love the overall Zune style and interface + the Zune Pass is an awesome deal that makes you discover new music.
Still have to wait here in the states for Sprint and the HTC 7 Pro...
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That is what I am waiting for, I am not leaving Sprint to go to ATT.

I have to agree.
- Push email is absolutely fantastic,
- Internet Explorer and Pinch to Zoom really good
- Zune is a very nice experience, even if sometimes confusing (it synchronizes my new mp3s but not always delete the ones I deleted from the root folder).
I also agree that avi container as well as support for the divx/xvid codec notably must be implemented by MS.

I agree with this Zune is so awesome. Back when I had a phone and an iPod I always wanted a Zune but it was too much of a hassle to import (bare in mind I was about 16 back then).
The interface is Amazing, coming from android, I just love the heavily graphical UI with the Artist's picture in the background. I know that Android's music player was piss poor (Sense did improve on it) but Zune makes it look like nothing. Zune pass is great (albeit similar to Spotify just cheaper, I like the fact that you "download" though) and the software itself is awesome.
I don't really use podcasts, nor do I care about avi movies (I've synced over an AVI movie through Zune, zune just converts them, this doesn't bother me) although I will offer 2 of my own suggestions:
1. We need background listening support, this is more centric to the OS rather than Zune itself but what I mean is that apps like Last.FM need to be able to "catch" what we're listening to and then scrobble them
2. Zune PC Software is the best media player I've ever used but like above, no scrobbling, please enable plugin support =]

You can activate the Podcast section of the marketplace with a registry hack. Works perfectly:
http://www.techau.tv/blog/how-to-re-enable-zune-feature-in-australia/

brummiesteven said:
1. We need background listening support, this is more centric to the OS rather than Zune itself but what I mean is that apps like Last.FM need to be able to "catch" what we're listening to and then scrobble them
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By the way, did somebody in Europe find the Last.fm App.
In France, strangely, it's apparently not available on the market?! Weird.

It's a great meadia player for Windows, but seriously, don't buy DRMed music....

tomhierl said:
It's a great meadia player for Windows, but seriously, don't buy DRMed music....
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I agree. Zune paid downloads are MP3s with no watermarks. Unlike iTunes AAC with watermarks (and your iTunes account email address).
It is the subscription downloads which are DRM'd with Windows Media. The point is that you get 10 MP3 downloads which have no DRM a month and the unlimited subscription downloads are a bonus.
Its like having the biggest jukebox in your pocket on top of 10 MP3 tracks.

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...seriously, don't buy DRMed music....
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+1. I don't buy.
Seriously, I didn't imagine that DRM still existed... Really?
If you want to compete with something free, don't make it more complicated than the free thing.

Ogner said:
I agree. Zune paid downloads are MP3s with no watermarks. Unlike iTunes AAC with watermarks (and your iTunes account email address).
It is the subscription downloads which are DRM'd with Windows Media. The point is that you get 10 MP3 downloads which have no DRM a month and the unlimited subscription downloads are a bonus.
Its like having the biggest jukebox in your pocket on top of 10 MP3 tracks.
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So the 10 files you can keep are DRM free? That's nice.

Dazzla said:
You can activate the Podcast section of the marketplace with a registry hack. Works perfectly:
Excellent tip. Now have podcasts in England. Thanks.
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Of course. After the MSN Music and playsforsure fiasco Microsoft realise that if someone buys music to keep forver they want it in high quality 256kbps or 320kbps MP3s. That way they can continue to listen to them for years to come on any device.
Don't forget that Microsoft have many experiences of failure in the consumer world. But they keep coming back until they get it right.
That is why Eric Schmidt said that Microsoft/Bing were their only serious competition. Not Apple, Yahoo!, Facebook.

arturobandini said:
+1. I don't buy.
Seriously, I didn't imagine that DRM still existed... Really?
If you want to compete with something free, don't make it more complicated than the free thing.
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It's only DRM'd if you download music using Zune Pass.
I assume the DRM is because if you stop paying the Zune Pass fee, you lose your downloaded music (which TBF is understandable, they can't give you unlimited downloads for only £7.99 a month).
Also, I downloaded Last.fm as soon as I got the device, in the UK here.

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That's only in America, doesn't seem to apply in the UK. You don't get to keep any music once you stop paying the Zune Pass fee.

Yeah im happy with the interface, only problem is Zune refuses to install on any of my x64 operating systems. This means im forced to run it on my EEEPC, which with such low horsepower, is a very very poor experience.

Avis are good for working with uncompressed pre-production video, but its a legacy format outside of that.
Divx/xvid, yea. Zune works in tandem with WMP on Windows.
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Anyone having trouble installing Zune on a WinVP PC? I try to install the software but get an error message saying it won't install to C because access is denied. However, I re-downloaded the software and now it won't iniate the install. It unzips like it is going to install and then nothing happens.
EDIT- Figured it out. Simply created a "Zune" folder in programs of "C" and the software installed. Apparently the install process can't creat the Zune folder on C itself.

Internet Radio

How do we play internet radio in Zune on WP7?
Thanks

not sure what u mean by "internet Radio". i use last.fm not in zune on wp7, it separate app.
it works fine.

k_aftab said:
i use last.fm not in zune on wp7, it separate app.
it works fine.
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Where the hell is this Last.fm app? I still can't find it on the Marketplace.
Could it be not available in some countries?

Yes, the Last.fm app might be limited to USA only as i DL'ed it and used it here in the States.

Shoutcast?!??! or Windows Media ASX steams??? how do we play these?

I'm trying to play an M3U stream, the only way I can work it is by emailing the URL and then opening it on the phone. It works but its not exactly great, if the signal is lost it doesnt rebuffer, it just plays what it had buffered up until connection lost over and over and over again!

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Yes, the Last.fm app might be limited to USA only as i DL'ed it and used it here in the States.
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Thanks for the reply.
So it also means that all the countries have no access to the same apps.

arturobandini said:
Thanks for the reply.
So it also means that all the countries have no access to the same apps.
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I'm in the UK & downloaded Last fm without any problem. It works great & is integrated into Zune.

weepatc said:
I'm in the UK & downloaded Last fm without any problem. It works great & is integrated into Zune.
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Not in France it seems unfortunately...
I guess you found it here?:
Marketplace/Applications/Music and Videos ?
Thanks

it's available in uk as weepatc said and it works perfectly.
regards

Last.fm doesnt have the radio i want to listen to though!

sigh still no shoutcast

I am hopeful for a way to listen to XM Radio. I have an account and there was a WM app that made this possible. The regular internet on WP doesn't allow me to listen to my online account for some reason. Maybe I'm just doing something wrong. Has anyone got XM to play on their new WP?

eric2k said:
sigh still no shoutcast
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try slacker radio app

Hopefully pocket player (conduits.com) will have WP7 version, but it costs you.

kahibbi said:
I am hopeful for a way to listen to XM Radio. I have an account and there was a WM app that made this possible. The regular internet on WP doesn't allow me to listen to my online account for some reason. Maybe I'm just doing something wrong. Has anyone got XM to play on their new WP?
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I emailed sirius about a wp7 app and they were noncommital about any app forthcoming. Hopefully it will come out soon.

I'm looking for a streaming app that has NPR. I usually listen to it on my morning commute but was using my iPhone for it. Now that I've moved over I don't have something to replace it. I'm hoping someone will come up with something soon as Slacker doesn't load well or load at all sometimes on my phone (htc Surround). There aren't any other apps for listening to NPR / public radio streams unless I over looked it?
iHeartRadio doesn't have the stations and has some audio issues sometimes.

Bumping up an old thread. I've just released a Siriux/XM app for WP7, and its live in the Marketplace now. Its called Sat Rad Player and you can find it at the following link:
http://social.zune.net/External/Lau...oneAppID=ecc794a8-aa58-e011-854c-00237de2db9e
We've set up some forums as well at http://www.satradplayer.com/Forums where people can get support or suggest enhancements to the app to make it better.
Check out the trial version and let me know what you think.

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Shoutcast?!??! or Windows Media ASX steams??? how do we play these?
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Yeah, this is a massive gaping hole in both WP7 and Zune's media playback capabilities. I'm hoping they introduce support in a future verson. I mean, it's not difficult. Sadly, I think the truth is they'd rather you were buying music from the Zune store.
Just one of many examples of the "dumbing down" of technology that seems all the rage these days.

adriankeith said:
I'm looking for a streaming app that has NPR.
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Use TuneIn Radio for WP7... It's a great app
I am in France and listen to NPR everyday, but also WNYC, KCRW, etc....
TuneIn allows you to listen to both Internet Radios and podcasts.

Thank You WP7 for introducing me to Zune.

The Zune Desktop Player is so amazing, so much better than Itunes or Winamp and the Zune Pass and MArketplace personalized picks has introduced me to so many great songs I would have never heard/discovered by myself before.. My music life has rekindled all because of Zune, Zune Pass and WP7 which led me to them.
I am starting to love Microsoft and its services now.
Great.

Always loved the **** outta Microsoft, and I agree, Zune Player is ****ing amazing.

I love the software and its UI/UX (even though it's a bit surprising at the beginning) but it's definitely too resource-hungry. It makes my netbook heat up quite a lot. Quite annoying.
I usually plug my netbook via HDMI to my giant flat screen. The full screen interface is simply breathtaking when all options are activated. SO PRETTY!

love zune so much more than itunes and wmp better interface and easier to use it is rather resource heavy but i dont care lol and the syncing is easier than other devices

I've used Zune since G1 media player complete with the Zune pass. My only complaint its how it she's not allow you to back up your apps locally for WP7. So if an app leaves thief marketplace and you get s new phone or reset your old one, its gone forever. Also only apps purchased through desktop software stnc automatically. Any apps purchased through the phone must be manually searched and downloaded from the phone if you reset or get another phone. Still it is the best media software out.
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It was the opposite for me. I bought a WP7 device because if it's integration with Zune/Zune Pass. My device may only have 8gb of memory but now I'm able to stream most music with Zune Pass service.

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My only complaint its how it she's not allow you to back up your apps locally for WP7.
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The Zune software has quite a few holes in it, but that one is HUGE. It also needs better management of TV and movies (such as syncing new shows and removing watched shows). I'd also like to see integration with Windows Media Center (auto syncing shows).
I know alot of folks like the ZunePass, but MOG, Napster, and Rdio offer a much bigger catalog at better prices. Unfortunately, only Rdio supports WP7 and the app does not allow songs to be synced to the phone like their iphone and android apps.

SilverRubicon said:
I know alot of folks like the ZunePass, but MOG, Napster, and Rdio offer a much bigger catalog at better prices. Unfortunately, only Rdio supports WP7 and the app does not allow songs to be synced to the phone like their iphone and android apps.
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Well, when you consider that every month you get 10 DRM free sings (to keep even if you cancel your ZunePass), the others are not as good of a deal. Unless some of them also offer that, but that would be news to me.

naplesbill said:
Well, when you consider that every month you get 10 DRM free sings (to keep even if you cancel your ZunePass)
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Only in the US

+1 for me as well
I talked members of my family to getting a Zune before the WP7 came out and they loved it (coming from Iseries). The Zune pass is nice getting songs on fly and people just look amazed too funny, also the software is sweet, way easier the itunes. Why I say that is I was trying to sync specific songs on my girls iphone and I can't click and add to device like I can in Zune with ease. Really good MS once they start integrated their service now that antitrust is gone lookout.

Casey_boy said:
Only in the US
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Yeah, that sucks.

I use a zune pass in Belgium?
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Does your Zune pass include 10 DRM free tracks you can keep forever?
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macjr82 said:
Does your Zune pass include 10 DRM free tracks you can keep forever?
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Yes, at the end of each month I get 10 any songs I like to keep forever.. I subscribed annual.. I buy all my games, apps, music, no more any piracy.. everything legit for the best experience.. I didnt even bother to do Chevron..

Yed, mine too. And I live in Belgium.
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Purple11 said:
The Zune Desktop Player is so amazing, so much better than Itunes or Winamp and the Zune Pass and MArketplace personalized picks has introduced me to so many great songs I would have never heard/discovered by myself before.. My music life has rekindled all because of Zune, Zune Pass and WP7 which led me to them.
I am starting to love Microsoft and its services now.
Great.
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yeah zune is awesome musik player, much love

Zune has always been great. Its a shame they haven't pushed/marketed it more. People don't even know it exists. Most consumers only know of iPods & iTunes (gotta hand it to Apple's marketing team for sure).
And Zune pass is one of the best deals out there. I have much <3 for zune. I just hope they can make some more deals to get more content because the one thing iTunes has on them is more content.

I didn't know Zune existed before I got my HD7.
Best music/video player ever, such a unique design.
I hope they expand its phone-related functionality tho, it's quite limited.

dtboos said:
(gotta hand it to Apple's marketing team for sure).
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And the development team. iTunes on Windows is frustrating, but it's more feature complete than Zune.

naplesbill said:
Well, when you consider that every month you get 10 DRM free sings (to keep even if you cancel your ZunePass), the others are not as good of a deal. Unless some of them also offer that, but that would be news to me.
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Napster includes free tracks and has a larger library than Zune. Or they did at one point, I haven't been a member since they butchered their web UI.