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[SGH-T989] Qualcomm based SGS2 "Celox" aka "Hercules"

So this is interesting. There was a lot of confusion about T-Mobile U.S.' new phone the Hercules and whether or not it was an SGS2 variant. Well it is and it isn't. This link talks about a SGS2 version launching in Korea and Germany that uses the same Qualcomm SoC as the Sensation. That's an interesting choice because the Sensation does poorly on benchmarks. Other than being LTE equipped it's the same specs and looks the same at the T-Mobile U.S. Hercules. So apparently Samsung's being pretty liberal with what they define as a SGS2.
http://sammyhub.com/2011/08/09/is-this-samsung-galaxy-s-ii-lte-phone-codenamed-celox/
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I'm not sure I would be interested in this. It's a larger screen (4.5" is too big) and it will probably get worse battery life with LTE. I think I'll wait for the Galaxy S III.

smartbot said:
I'm not sure I would be interested in this. It's a larger screen (4.5" is too big) and it will probably get worse battery life with LTE. I think I'll wait for the Galaxy S III.
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The 8060 SoC sort of sucks in the Sensation. That would kill it for me before the 4.5" screen. It's actually using the same chip that's in the HP TouchPad. Interesting choice on Samsung's part. The radio is market specific so LTE won't be everywhere.

It looks like Samsung is trying to cash in on galaxy s name and push as many phones as they can.
Probably short term business decision regardless of consequences to its name.

BarryH_GEG said:
So this is interesting. There was a lot of confusion about T-Mobile U.S.' new phone the Hercules and whether or not it was an SGS2 variant. Well it is and it isn't. This link talks about a SGS2 version launching in Korea and Germany that uses the same Qualcomm SoC as the Sensation. That's an interesting choice because the Sensation does poorly on benchmarks. Other than being LTE equipped it's the same specs and looks the same at the T-Mobile U.S. Hercules. So apparently Samsung's being pretty liberal with what they define as a SGS2.
http://sammyhub.com/2011/08/09/is-this-samsung-galaxy-s-ii-lte-phone-codenamed-celox/
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Actually the Sensation chip sin't nearly as crappy as it was prior to getting s-off. Once developers were able to make kernel mods and other tweaks the chip performs much better than it did out of the box. I think some of the poor benchmark scores can be attributed to the qHD screen of the Sensation. However, I ran cf-bench last night with both my sgs2 and sensation clocked at 1.5ghz and the Sensation beat it each time. The gpu of the adreno 220 is surprisingly good. I would be interested to see the qualcomm chip properly implemented such that the hardware and software were coded in sync

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Actually the Sensation chip sin't nearly as crappy as it was prior to getting s-off. Once developers were able to make kernel mods and other tweaks the chip performs much better than it did out of the box. I think some of the poor benchmark scores can be attributed to the qHD screen of the Sensation. However, I ran cf-bench last night with both my sgs2 and sensation clocked at 1.5ghz and the Sensation beat it each time. The gpu of the adreno 220 is surprisingly good. I would be interested to see the qualcomm chip properly implemented such that the hardware and software were coded in sync
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If the same chip performs significantly faster in Samsung's implementation the Sensation folks are going to be pissed. I'd also imagine Samsung will do a much better job with video drivers so it'll support tons more formats than the Sensation. With all the rumors about Tegra being the alternate due to Exynos shortages it's interesting they went with Qualcomm.

I'd like my SII to have a 4.5" screen and the back cover of this phone. That's all.

I'm not real smart on this aspect of this technology (chips and perfrormance), but I really have doubt that the benchmarks accurately reflect real world performance.
I have an SGS2 and say take my Evo 3D, turn on hotspot, run my SGS2 off the Evo, and do a Speedtest app test on each; the Evo measures 7-9M's, the SGS2 runs 3ish.
I immediately run a series of graphic heavy site's simultaneously and the SG will finish quicker every time.
I'll run a comparison of Thunderbird on the almighty Verizon LTE.
The Speedtests are Th:19-21 lol, SGS (Hotspot... ting to Wimax) measuring 3ish, and and AGAIN,when it comes to site downloads SGS2 is just faster (more marginally).
That said, the Sensation was a disappointment. Makes sense to me that it wasn't all the chips fault.
But...all that said,gut tells me, those enjoying the SGS2 like I have are gonna be up for a let down in performance with Herc.
Hope I'm wrong. Been anticipating it myself.

rockky said:
I'm not real smart on this aspect of this technology (chips and perfrormance), but I really have doubt that the benchmarks accurately reflect real world performance.
I have an SGS2 and say take my Evo 3D, turn on hotspot, run my SGS2 off the Evo, and do a Speedtest app test on each; the Evo measures 7-9M's, the SGS2 runs 3ish.
I immediately run a series of graphic heavy site's simultaneously and the SG will finish quicker every time.
I'll run a comparison of Thunderbird on the almighty Verizon LTE.
The Speedtests are Th:19-21 lol, SGS (Hotspot... ting to Wimax) measuring 3ish, and and AGAIN,when it comes to site downloads SGS2 is just faster (more marginally).
That said, the Sensation was a disappointment. Makes sense to me that it wasn't all the chips fault.
But...all that said,gut tells me, those enjoying the SGS2 like I have are gonna be up for a let down in performance with Herc.
Hope I'm wrong. Been anticipating it myself.
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You're basically comparing LTE (VZW), Wi-Max (Sprint), and HSPA+ (AT&T) which has nothing to do with the phone's processor. Play HD videos on the Sensation/E3D (Qualcomm) and SGS2 (Exynos) and you'll be quite surprised at the difference in real world performance. jlevy73 brings up an interesting point in that devs seem to be getting better perfromance out of the Sensation now that it's unlocked than HTC was able to. But devs are still dependent on the drivers provided by the OEMs so the Qualcomm chip on HTC phones might still end up having a real world performance deficit no matter how much dev support it gets.

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You're basically comparing LTE (VZW), Wi-Max (Sprint), and HSPA+ (AT&T) which has nothing to do with the phone's processor. Play HD videos on the Sensation/E3D (Qualcomm) and SGS2 (Exynos) and you'll be quite surprised at the difference in real world performance. jlevy73 brings up an interesting point in that devs seem to be getting better perfromance out of the Sensation now that it's unlocked than HTC was able to. But devs are still dependent on the drivers provided by the OEMs so the Qualcomm chip on HTC phones might still end up having a real world performance deficit no matter how much dev support it gets.
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OK...but still don't totally understand. Processors aren't a factor in how fast data is transmitted?

rockky said:
OK...but still don't totally understand. Processors aren't a factor in how fast data is transmitted?
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The incoming data isn't coming in fast enough to tax the processor. Testing something locally on the phone like video, flash-based web pages, and running multiple apps are a better test of a processors performance. Software and drivers make a big difference too. The browser on the SGS2 is hardware optimized where the Sensation/E3D's are not and it shows in everyday use.

BarryH_GEG said:
The incoming data isn't coming in fast enough to tax the processor. Testing something locally on the phone like video, flash-based web pages, and running multiple apps are a better test of a processors performance. Software and drivers make a big difference too. The browser on the SGS2 is hardware optimized where the Sensation/E3D's are not and it shows in everyday use.
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Thanks. Good to know that.

BarryH_GEG said:
The incoming data isn't coming in fast enough to tax the processor. Testing something locally on the phone like video, flash-based web pages, and running multiple apps are a better test of a processors performance. Software and drivers make a big difference too. The browser on the SGS2 is hardware optimized where the Sensation/E3D's are not and it shows in everyday use.
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Suffice to say then that the US devices will suffer some in the performance debt if the Qualcomms are employed vs
Vs the Exynos??

rockky said:
Thanks. Good to know that.
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lol 3G/4G is like your internet connection on PC has nothing to do with how powerful the CPU is.

nraudigy2 said:
lol 3G/4G is like your internet connection on PC has nothing to do with how powerful the CPU is.
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That's true, but how fast a page renders, especially one heavy in javascript and flash does provide an insight into the cpu/gpu. I have the crapbolt, I mean Thunderbolt and LTE absolutely flies (i.e. 30mb/down). With my SGS2 on AT&T's network I get about 5mb/down. If I load up androidcentral.com (which is very heavy on graphics, flash, etc) the SGS2 renders the page 2-3X faster than my Thunderbolt. You can see the rat in the cage processor of the Thunderbolt choking to render all those graphics.

jlevy73 said:
Actually the Sensation chip sin't nearly as crappy as it was prior to getting s-off. Once developers were able to make kernel mods and other tweaks the chip performs much better than it did out of the box. I think some of the poor benchmark scores can be attributed to the qHD screen of the Sensation. However, I ran cf-bench last night with both my sgs2 and sensation clocked at 1.5ghz and the Sensation beat it each time. The gpu of the adreno 220 is surprisingly good. I would be interested to see the qualcomm chip properly implemented such that the hardware and software were coded in sync
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Unfortunately....
qhd dosent have much to do with it.
the gpu on the SD gets OC'd as the cpu is oc.
the Ex is a more robust processor + Mali is a more powerful GPU.

Maedhros said:
Unfortunately....
qhd dosent have much to do with it.
the gpu on the SD gets OC'd as the cpu is oc.
the Ex is a more robust processor + Mali is a more powerful GPU.
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The sensations qhd screen has 35% more pixels than the samsung s ii. It has a significant impact on processor work load and benchmarks. At 1.2GHz the Exynos 4210 is much better than the Qualcomm 8060, but at 1.5Ghz the Qualcomm will outperform an Exynos at 1.2Ghz.

FishTaco said:
The sensations qhd screen has 35% more pixels than the samsung s ii. It has a significant impact on processor work load and benchmarks. At 1.2GHz the Exynos 4210 is much better than the Qualcomm 8060, but at 1.5Ghz the Qualcomm will outperform an Exynos at 1.2Ghz.
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Sadly, it doesn't. Maybe if you removed vcore it would but I have both devices and even clocked to 1.7, the Sensation cannot match the SGS2 in any benchmark I tried except cf-bench.

FishTaco said:
The sensations qhd screen has 35% more pixels than the samsung s ii. It has a significant impact on processor work load and benchmarks.
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But if that is the case, then there isn't much excuse for the fact almost every Tegra 2 device with qhd displays out there, 1ghz, has beaten the Qualcomm chip in the sensation on every review I have watched. The Tegra devices use qhd's and yet are clocked lower the the sensations, yet out performs it significantly. Further more, about the pixels, the sensation only displays most quadrants on the 480*800 pixels anyway, because for some reason quite applications aren't scaled propyl for example in quadrant benchmark. Also, because most bechmarks count frames on 2d/3d graphics to help sus speed, I often find my galaxy s2 always hovers around 60fps. Thats because it has been limited to that by Samsung, so the true bechmark speed of that galaxy s2 is higher than what is show on stock firmware.

danielsf said:
But if that is the case, then there isn't much excuse for the fact almost every Tegra 2 device with qhd displays out there, 1ghz, has beaten the Qualcomm chip in the sensation on every review I have watched. The Tegra devices use qhd's and yet are clocked lower the the sensations, yet out performs it significantly. Further more, about the pixels, the sensation only displays most quadrants on the 480*800 pixels anyway, because for some reason quite applications aren't scaled propyl for example in quadrant benchmark. Also, because most bechmarks count frames on 2d/3d graphics to help sus speed, I often find my galaxy s2 always hovers around 60fps. Thats because it has been limited to that by Samsung, so the true bechmark speed of that galaxy s2 is higher than what is show on stock firmware.
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Yes qhd makes a difference. Look at PC's as an example.
Have you seen what a SGS2 does with Tegra 2? You'll be surprised.
Sensation is not even A9 cortex based, can't compete with the rest of dual-cores.

[Q] Single Core GPU

All my friends are big time apple fan. I respect their choice and I do find that there are some things which are great in apple products. So whenever I buy my smartphone I try to make sure that it is as powerful as iPhone, at least hardware wise. iPhone 4S has a dual core GPU where as Galaxy Nexus has only a single core??!!!
I was actually thinking of grabbing the Motorola Razr but after realizing that it has bit slow processor and also a single core GPU I thought I will look forward for Galaxy Nexus. Unfortunately it seems like G.Nexus has a single core GPU too.
Does any one knows how much does it matter, when compared to a dual core GPU? Especially when you are using the HDMI cable to watch something in your TV.
Thanks
PS: The only phone in the market right now that could go head to head with iPhone 4s is either LG Optimus HD and HTC Rezound, I think.

Bikram said:
... Nexus has only a single core??!!!
I was actually thinking of grabbing the Motorola Razr but after realizing that it has bit slow processor and also a single core GPU I thought I will look forward for Galaxy Nexus. Unfortunately it seems like G.Nexus has a single core GPU too.
Does any one knows how much does it matter, when compared to a dual core GPU? Especially when you are using the HDMI cable to watch something in your TV.
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It's only really going to matter with games. The SGX540 in the Galaxy Nexus should be able to handle hdmi output for video with no problem.
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[hfm] said:
It's only really going to matter with games. The SGX540 in the Galaxy Nexus should be able to handle hdmi output for video with no problem.
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Why does the gpu need to handle video when the omap 4460 has a dedicated iva3 processor to handle video. And to original poster. The galaxy s2 has a quad core gpu. Tegra2 has 8. Tegra 3 will have 12. It seems your phone preference is purely superficial and that you would be better off getting an iphone since you just want to be the 'my phone has more horses underneath the hood than yours' type of person.
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the more cores doesnt really mean better......I know its a different architecture but a quadcore i7 out performs a hexacore AMD bulldozers....
Cores are turning into the new megapixel

slowz3r said:
Cores are turning into the new megapixel
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Exaclty. I can't believe how many of my friends (iPoop users) have asked me "is that phone dual core?" Because of the iPoop 4S boasting better proccessor, then they say hmm that must make a phone powerful!
I do have somethings against Apple but still without that people always want MP and now Cores. :\
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Exactly. Cores doesnt double performance when you move up to 2 and quadruple when you move to 4. A 300hp wont necessarily outperform a car with 200hp either.
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pukemon said:
And to original poster. The galaxy s2 has a quad core gpu. Tegra2 has 8. Tegra 3 will have 12.
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Not in the sense that the A5 is a dual-core. The Mali-400MP has four pixel shaders (what they like to call quad-core) and one vertex shader. Tegra 2 has four pixel shaders and four vertex shaders, which they total to 8. Tegra 3 has 8 pixel shaders and 4 vertex shaders, for a total of twelve. They aren't cores at all, that's just BS that nVidia started a while ago to take a cheap shot at Intel.
On the other hand, the SGX543MP2 effectively has two complete GPUs - each with four pixel shaders and four vertex shaders. Hardware wise, it's pretty much equivalent to taking two of the GPUs used in the Nexus and sticking them together. Albeit at a lower clock rate, I imagine.
Not that it really makes that much difference for mobile games - art style can go a long way towards making a game look amazing on low-power hardware. The iPhone 4 has/had some pretty amazing looking games, and you'd struggle to find a higher-end Android these days whose GPU doesn't absolutely smash the iPhone 4.

Sjael said:
Not in the sense that the A5 is a dual-core. The Mali-400MP has four pixel shaders (what they like to call quad-core) and one vertex shader. Tegra 2 has four pixel shaders and four vertex shaders, which they total to 8. Tegra 3 has 8 pixel shaders and 4 vertex shaders, for a total of twelve. They aren't cores at all, that's just BS that nVidia started a while ago to take a cheap shot at Intel.
On the other hand, the SGX543MP2 effectively has two complete GPUs - each with four pixel shaders and four vertex shaders. Hardware wise, it's pretty much equivalent to taking two of the GPUs used in the Nexus and sticking them together. Albeit at a lower clock rate, I imagine.
Not that it really makes that much difference for mobile games - art style can go a long way towards making a game look amazing on low-power hardware. The iPhone 4 has/had some pretty amazing looking games, and you'd struggle to find a higher-end Android these days whose GPU doesn't absolutely smash the iPhone 4.
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Im well aware of this. The op probably doesnt know or care. Hell, if you get a desktop class gfx card youre looking at upwards of 300 "cores" and more. It boils down to different architecture and marketing of course. The 540 is a capable mobile gpu. Nobody is quite sure how it handles higher resolutions though. Lots of cpus/gpus have quoted specs saying it can handle this and that but when you push the theoretical limits performance goes south quickly. And the 543mp2 is overkill currently. Probably a major factor of why the iphone 4s is getting ****ty battery life. Who wants to brag about how ****ty the battery life of their phone is though? These days 4 hours of display time and using your phone all day is good.
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The Galaxy Nexus is dual core.....

ssconceptz said:
The Galaxy Nexus is dual core.....
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well whatever u do don't read what we're actually talking about... not the CPU...the GPU
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The Galaxy Nexus is dual core.....
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Dual cpu. Single core gpu.
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It's not really correct to call the GPU "single core". A GPU is a parallel processing unit, what matters is the number of pixel pipelines, the number of shader units, the number of ROPs, etc. In fact, performance should scale better using a GPU that has 8 shader units on a single physical core than a GPU that has 4 shader units each on two physical cores. The only good reason to spread GPU processing units across multiple physical cores is ease of manufacturing. Usually you would expect the next generation of GPUs like this to merge the physical cores into a single physical core with the same total number of compute units.
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the more cores doesnt really mean better......I know its a different architecture but a quadcore i7 out performs a hexacore AMD bulldozers....
Cores are turning into the new megapixel
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CoNsPiRiSiZe said:
Exaclty. I can't believe how many of my friends (iPoop users) have asked me "is that phone dual core?" Because of the iPoop 4S boasting better proccessor, then they say hmm that must make a phone powerful!
I do have somethings against Apple but still without that people always want MP and now Cores. :\
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Exactly. Cores doesnt double performance when you move up to 2 and quadruple when you move to 4. A 300hp wont necessarily outperform a car with 200hp either.
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We are talking about GPUs here. GPUs solve what is called an "embarrassingly parallel" problem. Here, twice the number of cores usually does mean twice the performance.

There are no mobile games in existence that really make me care about my phone's GPU and I highly doubt there will be in the next coming year or two. I doubt my phone will ever draw my away from my PC or gaming platform at home and when I'm away the most hardware intensive game I play is Plants vs Zombies, Fruit Ninja, or Words With Friends. And that's only after I've looked all over the internets for something else to do other than game.
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question.. how would you expect the higher clocked PowerVR SGX 540 perform vs the galaxy s 2?

Well it doesn't seem to matter galaxy s and nexus has same gpu at lower speed an I haven't seen game it can't handle an then add 1 gb of ram with better CPU ur all good
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If you look at droidgamer, you'll find lots of crazy high end games are on the horizon. Most take advantage of the Tegras which currently are beasts. The G2x by LG is such beast. Tegra 2 powerhouse. Easily bests any game made today and in the future.
Tegra 3s are due out around the first part of next year but probably nothing subsidized in the US till next Christmas or early 2013.
Even still games are made to run well on popular hardware of today. Adding more power is currently overkill and only adds bonus eyecandy. I expect upcoming games to be playable on any high end phone, Nexus included.
Plus ifones are late to the dualcore game. While the GPU is nice, no ifone user will know about anything past the words they are regurgitating.
I am concerned about going from a powerful G2x to a GN. I'm getting mine through work to save on a personal cell bill, but I hope everything is at least moving in the right direction.
I'd trade my 8mp for a 5mp with an instant shutter because I have a kid I snap at all the time. Games are luxory but I do have a tegra 2 Transformer that I do most of my gaming on (outside passive games).
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This GPU have 4-pipe, not 1.
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does the iphone4S have dual core GPU?? really?
i tought it only had a dualcore CPU....
iPOOP!

The problem with all the core nonsense for GPU's is the lack of a unified architecture. What we're comparing is similar to what we did before the Geforce8 and Radeon3000 series, in that there are individual pixel and vertex shaders. Its completely BS to call either of them "cores" if we use the same word for CPU cores. By that regard, my ATI 5850 has 1440 "cores", which makes any quad core processor seem crap, no?
As pointed out, GPU's are still in their infancy in the mobile world - hence the lack of a unified architecture *but* ARM is bringing one in their next gen Mali GPU so we should finally start to go towards a more reasonable comparison of GPU's soon. But for now, its best to ignore what "cores" a GPU has but look at the number of Pixel shaders, vertex shaders and ROP units (render output units). Essentially, PowerVR is aiming for a even balance between pixel:vertex shaders (hence why the MP2 has 8 of each) whilst Nvidia think that the major limiting factor is the pixel shaders, rather than doing complex geometry via vertex shaders, and that's why they push for a 8:4 / 12:4 ratio. Whether that's a smart idea or whether it will limit Tegra vs PowerVR, it's hard to tell yet. That being said, expect a massive change when we jump to the unified architecture of Tegra4/new Mali/new Adreno. Until then, take the "cores" with a grain of salt. The only legitimate use of the word core is with the PowerVR SGX543MP2/ MP4 where the 2 and the 4 are representative of 2 and 4 complete SGX543 GPU's stuck together, but each of these are clocked lower than an individual core, presumably for heat/power issues. And also remember, just like in the desktop world, drivers make a world of difference when looking at performance in games. It's pretty hard to see who's better at that yet either, but Nvidia might hold a better hand with their experience from the desktop/laptop market. This is probably the best time if you like observing massive evolutions in graphics tech, but its a crappy time for consumers since the next best thing comes very very quickly.
Edit: For anyone who's interested, Anand had a great write up comparing the architectures here. Some quotes to justify:
The Mali-400 isn't a unified shader architecture, it has discrete execution hardware for vertex and fragment (pixel) processing. ARM calls the Mali-400 a multicore GPU with configurations available with 1 - 4 cores. When ARM refers to a core however it's talking about a fragment (pixel shader) processor, not an entire GPU core. This is somewhat similar to NVIDIA's approach with Tegra 2, although NVIDIA counts each vertex and fragment processor as an individual core.
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Ask the iPhone pukes if they have something that matters. Good call quality and 4g
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Damn! Rumoured Galaxy S3 specs

How believable do this this article is?
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/samsung-galaxy-s3-complete-guide-50006020/
Need to get close to the facts on the new Samsung Galaxy S3? Here's what we think we know:
4.6-inch Super AMOLED Plus screen at 1,280x720-pixel resolution
1.8GHz chip with 2GB RAM for zippy multitasking and games
Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich with a refreshed TouchWiz skin
Camera-quality 12-megapixel photos
Styled like the Galaxy Nexus
And here's what we're hoping for:
A flexible OLED screen on a jaw-dropping curved chassis
TouchWiz mini apps that put social networking front and centre
Ultra-high ISO photography so we don't even need to use the sickly built-in LED flash

About as real currently as Father Christmas tho isn't it?

Reads more like a geeks favourite spec. than a real phone...

Neville.Holland said:
Reads more like a geeks favourite spec. than a real phone...
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barring the processor, the rest doesn't seem to unreasonable!

I found one minor aspect that could explain, why this thread was opened in the "Galaxy Nexus General" forum:
Styled like the Galaxy Nexus
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Seriously, what's that got to do with the Galaxy Nexus?

Well they would be really stupid to go for a 1.8 dual core instead of a Quad core, they are already building the A6 so it's not hard to imagine an Exynos quad core to come out of them. Also i really hope it has the specs listed i think i might pick up the SII instead of the nexus...

gokpog said:
I found one minor aspect that could explain, why this thread was opened in the "Galaxy Nexus General" forum:
Seriously, what's that got to do with the Galaxy Nexus?
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1. there is no sgs3 thread ;-)
2. more than likely that some of the nexus owners will upgrade and may find this useful

The only perk about the SGSIII is the quad core. If they gimp out with a dualcore, then I'd rather just have the Nexus.
The only quadcore chip that is out is the Tegra3 and it JUST was announced. It was a year before we started seeing tegra2s in the wild.
Asus Transformer Prime is shipping first of the year with a Tegra3 but who knows how long it will be before phones pick it up.
I could care less about the super amoled plus vs HD. At those high resolutions, the difference doesn't matter anymore.
And the camera is a camera. 90% of my photos are thrown on Facebook. As long as they look good then I'm good. Higher MP cameras produce such a large image that you have to compress and resize them for online uploads. I'm fine with 5-8mp on my phone. My G2x has a sweet 8mp camera... but I'd trade it in for a 5mp with instant shutter. Instant shots > higher Res shots IMO.
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Rumors with the dual core was that it would pack a ridiculously faster GPU for I'm guessing more hardware acceleration etc...
12mp camera would be nuts but Galaxy phones always try to have the best specs at the time and future proof a little. SGX 540 on the original Galaxy S was worlds ahead of everyone else when it came out.
Quad-core should be coming soon on phones......I say a few months. Plus, every things moving so much faster now, only a year 1/2 ago 1ghz single core was ridiculous =/
But, quad-core is really overkill on a phone, improved dual-core with a vastly faster GPU makes more sense

And samsung is offering financing on that phone right?
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It's not about being overkill, it's the fact that barely anything is optimized for Dual-Core, and absolutely nothing for Quad-Core. Also, there is storage device that is always gonna be a bottleneck so what's the point of buying a quad-core phone before the software gets optimized?
Do you plan on running research laboratory 24/7 out of your phone's CPU or wtf?

Eldar Murtazin has said months ago that specs similar to these are indeed true.
Even with that in mind, I'm still planning to buy the Nexus. The SGS3 likely won't be announced until February and then won't be shipped until April. Even then it will be at an astronomical price, probably around the £700 mark I'd imagine.
Are you prepared to wait five months for the phone? I'm not. Even if these rumoured specs turn out to be 100% true, I'd rather just buy the Nexus now and then sell it in five months.
TL;DR: The rumoured SGS3 shouldn't affect your Galaxy Nexus purchasing decision.

I think we can say with a fair degree of confidence the GSIII will have an exynos 4412, which is a quad core A9 soc. Also pretty certain it will contain a Mali T604 MP4 GPU.
The T604 can output 68 gflops and 2 gigapixels/sec texel fill rate in its MP4 configuration. By comparison the sgx 543MP2 in the 4S manages something south of 12.8 gflops and 800 megapixels/sec texel fill rate. So yeah, the T604 is pretty beastly.
I think screen wise we will see the same 4.65 samoled HD that we see in the Nexus. It's likely too soon for the plus version.

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Quad-core should be coming soon on phones......I say a few months. Plus, every things moving so much faster now, only a year 1/2 ago 1ghz single core was ridiculous =/
But, quad-core is really overkill on a phone, improved dual-core with a vastly faster GPU makes more sense
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The LG Optimus 2x was a dual-core phone and was out around this time last year. Other Dual-Core phones didn't arrive until much later. And I agree with your quad-core overkill statement. It is. But I wouldn't upgrade my Nexus One for another single core when dualcore was ALREADY out. In this case QuadCore is NOT out and probably won't be for a while. We'll probably start seeing a few Quadcore's in March/May... followed by a few more in the Summer... but probably not coming state-side with subsidy till Winter/Q1 2013.

Well, plus version isn't really even needed. As reviews stated.....at such a high resolution, the problems pentile usually had are irrelevant.
Would love to see that mali and quad-core in the SGS III........feel like wouldn't even need to upgrade for years and years, but of course that won't happen. Will always want the next best thing

I don't mind pentile. At a given subpixel density, pentile will always be better than non-pentile imo. You get a higher resolution display with minimal side effects.
It's a very clever technology actually. I liken it to PowerVRs graphics technology where they only render the surfaces which can actually be seen by the viewer, thus saving on bandwidth and fillrate. It's about making the most from whatever resources you may have.

Why do people think those specs are far fetched? The SII will be coming up on it's year anniversary from being unveiled.
They got about three months to prototype the SIII, it sounds a little underwhelming if you ask me.

Last Samsung rep I spoke to said only details he had was that it would be 1.5 quad core or 1.8 duel core with 1gb ram

Either way, the GS III will be a beast of a phone just like the GS II still is. It should be launching around the same time as the iPhone 5 from rumors and go head to head.

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It's not about being overkill, it's the fact that barely anything is optimized for Dual-Core, and absolutely nothing for Quad-Core. Also, there is storage device that is always gonna be a bottleneck so what's the point of buying a quad-core phone before the software gets optimized?
Do you plan on running research laboratory 24/7 out of your phone's CPU or wtf?
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But see the thing is, just like in the Windows desktop OS, even if the program itself isn't capable of utilizing all of the cores, the OS at least balances the apps out on the least busy core.
Granted, apps like high end games will run much better on Android if they are SMP aware.
Another thing is that I remember when dual core phones were announced, a lot of doubters were saying battery life will be terrible. Well that turned out to be the furthest thing from the truth.
So if quad core does for battery life what the dual core did then we are in for some rockin battery life and smooth UI like never seen.
Joe

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[GUIDE+TOOLS] How To Easily Maximize One X Tegra 3 Game performance - root>> Gameplay videos here>>
How To reduce your OS resolution in order to boost GPU / gaming performance>>
Kernel source for Sense 5 JB 4.18.x.x ROMS is out>>
Download pure stock and odexed 4.18.401.2 ROM>>
HTC One X Sense 5 and Android 4.2.2 update is pushing as firmware 4.18.401.2 (and One X+ as 2.18.401.2) + changelog>>
HTC One X: Hidden Low Light Abilities>>
Contemporary Jelly Bean, SGS3 vs One X comparison, stock and modded>>
Nvidia updates Tegra Roadmap, Tegra 5 and 6 revealed>>
HTC 2012 flagships will be uprgaded to Android 4.2.2>>
New HTC One X update 3.18.401.1, no hboot change, minor kernel upgrade>>
HTC Confirms HTC One X/X+/S Sense 5.0 upgrade>>
Tegra 4/Tegra 4i Architecture indepth, T4 GPU beats the iPad4>>
HTC One 2013 - Snapdragon 600 - Mega Information Thread>>
Nvidia announces Tegra 4i for smartphones for release end of 2013>>
Tegra 4 is facing silicon delays issue, it will lag behind competition>> and here>>
Android 2013 GPU predictions >>
Anticipated performance of the 544MP3 GPU inside the Exynos 5 Octa>>
Tegra 4 GPU details, massive ALU increase, should beat the iPad4>> predictions>>
More analysis about Tegra 4 GPU, GT200 architecture might be in use>>
USB charge overheat warning for HTC ONE X JB OTA, HTC drivers must be updated>>
Stock HTC JB Kernel 3.14.x.24 - CPU review>>
Stock HTC JB OTA 3.14.x.24, performance review posts #11598 and #11613
Need For Speed Most Wanted v1.0.28 for Android - Tegra 3 performance patch + Multiple configuration patch>>
NXC 2.17 ICS Gaming kernel, custom kernel specifically for the One X gaming>>
Tegra 4 will be revealed in early January CES 2013, expected to have kepler based GPU with 32 or 64 cores>>
CNET: How to take great photos with an HTC One X>>
Reviewing the One X Tegra 3 gaming situation 7 months after release>>
One X Rules them all in the WindMill combined CPU+GPU Graphics Benchmark>>
One X GPU OC Tests 416mhz>700mhz GLBenchmark 2.5.1>>
Sony's Playstation Mobile is released>>
HTC announces the refreshed One X+>>
HTC announces the JB update for the One X and S will begin rolling out from October>>
My Hands On early Leaked JB test firmware 3.00.999.7>>
Useful comparison post between the s4 One XL & the T3 One X>>
Linux 3.1.0 kernel is coming with the JB update>>
Proper Contemporary Tests: Tegra3 Geforce vs Exynos4 Mali400 vs Snapdragon4 Adreno 225>>
[APP] RENOVATE Gaming Boost, this app will unleash your One X "capped" gaming power in one click>>
[KERNEL] HTC One X - Tegra 3 - Best kernel: Faux - Epic performance Extraction>>
[GUIDE] Graphics boost for non Tegra 3 optimized games>>
Hands on HTC One X test release 2.05.401.2>> and final update 2.17.401.2>>
[INFO] Digital Foundry VS Tegra3>>
[INFO] Revealing info about the One X Tegra 3 chipset variants thanks to Faux>>
[APP] Set Orientation, Auto Rotate Sense Launcher , no root required
[FIX] Ultra & Super Smooth Sense 4.0 Launcher (Rosie)>> (no longer needed for update 2.17.401.2 and Sense 4.1)
[KERNEL] Massive news GPU uncapped back to 520mhz (stock 416mhz) thanks to kholk's Eternity Project>> and Faux Kernel>>
Gameloft admits Tegra 3 One X issues in its games>>
[TIP] Backup/Restore user apps and data from old phone (without needing root)>>
Interesting information about the famous NvCPLSvc.apk the included performance profiles, compared to the stock 2.05.401.2>>
One X Tegra GPU is capped at 416mhz>>
Vital information about CPU governor>>
Asus Nexus Tablet: Tegra 3 is going to the masses>>
PlayStation Mobile HTC Announcement - E3 2012 Sony Press Conference
Eurogamer: Digital Foundry: HTC One X Review
"Right now, the One X has few serious rivals. It's blessed with a gorgeous screen as well as an attractive design, and it houses a terrifying amount of power within that svelte and lightweight frame."
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HTC One X, different display panels>>
Good read on Li-poly batteries>>
One X quick review
Update on the gap/flex situation
GUIDE - How To Test your One X for defects in store>>
3rd One X, SH248, Flawless
2nd One X, HT242, Build quality niggles on my second One X HT243
Some early One X have build issues, return if you find any hardware defect! Build Quality Poll>>
HTC admits flaws in One X promises to fix manufacturing>>
Tear Down Photos>>
The best picture you've taken thread (explore to see the amazing camera results)
HTC's Response about temperature - normal during gaming>>
HTC One X - Reviews Recap - Part I>>
HTC One X - Reviews Recap - Part II>>
My initial hands on the Grey One X>>
Photoshoot & Hands On - Final Retail White vs Grey>>
Benchmarks and Battery of the One X>>
S4 vs T3 @720p - One X vs One XL>>
My conclusion about Tegra3>>
Thoughts on the One X heat situation>>
Put simply, the HTC One X stole the show at Mobile World Congress
"Engadget"
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Engaget, Mobile World Congress 2012, best of show: Best Smartphone HTC One X>>
HTC ONE SERIES UNVEILED - Press Release>>
HTC One Series MWC 2012 announcement video - Full version>>
HTC One Series MWC 2012 announcement video - Short version>>
HTC One Camera Samples Thread, more here and here, amazing shutter speed here
Amazing videos and screens about the polycarbonate unibody durability>>
Amazing video showing the abilities of Tegra 3, MUST SEE!>>
Tegra 3 optimized Games and apps thread>>
Modaco's detailed brief on the One Series>>
Hard Reset concerns: HTC confirms that pressing and holding the power button for 10 seconds will force shut down the device>>
HTC Phones, Sizes comparison>>
HTC Edge/Endeavor/Supreme (codenames) - Release name: HTC One X - Model Number: S720e
The HTC One X features a beautifully crafted polycarbonate unibody that has the ruggedness of metal but is super lightweight. With seamless construction, the unibody combines a unique high gloss 'piano' finish and a matte back. HTC One X is blazing fast with the new NVIDIA® Tegra 3 Mobile Processor for clear graphics, faster applications and longer battery life. It includes a 1.5GHz Super 4-PLUS-1™ quad-core with an integrated fifth Battery Saver Core and a high-performance 12-Core NVIDIA® GPU. The HTC One X also has an amazing 4.7-inch, 720p HD screen crafted from contoured Corning™ Gorilla Glass. HTC One X will also be available in select 4G LTE markets with a LTE-enabled Qualcomm Snapdragon S4™ processor with up to 1.5GHz dual-core CPU’s.
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Quad-core Tegra 3 processor + low power companion core 4-plus-1, Kal-Eli chip with ULP Gefroce GPU, AP33 1.5GHz / XMM6260
LTE version will carry the dual core snapdragon 4 krait chip @ 1.5ghz with Adreno225 - named One XL
Android 4.0 with Sense UI 4.0
4.7-inch display with 720p resolution, SLCD 2 @ 312PPI, Optical lamination makes the screen seem to float just below the glass with no space for air or dust
Gorilla glass 2.5D
Poly-carbonate Uni-body construction
1 GB RAM
Backlit 8 MP camera BSI backlight Sensor with f/2.0 lens, 1.3mp front cam plus ImageSense chipset
Beats Audio throughout the whole audio output
Slim, 8.9mm thick
Bluetooth 4.0
NFC with google wallet support
No SD slot
MicroSIM
32 GB internal storage
1800mAh built-in
HSPA+ 21 Mbps support
5-pogo-pin setup for a speaker dock, likely for the rumored Beats audio dock
Stereo microphones for noise reduction
134.36 x 69.9 x 8.9 mm
130 grams with battery
A minimalist "Iconic" design, made from Polycarbonate uni-body
- White version: matt front frame, piano gloss sidewalls, matt soft touch back, glossy silver camera frame and silver gloss HTC logo
- Grey version: matt front frame, piano gloss sidewalls, matt soft touch back, matt brushed camera frame and black gloss HTC logo
+ Curved 3D Gorilla glass, the glass curves around the edges
Described by HTC's Scott Croyle:
The HTC One X begins with a beautiful crafted poly-carbonate uni-body, it got the ruggedness of metal but its super-light, the uni-body has authentic color through and through and it's super rugged, super durable. We thought a lot how to get the most out of this poly-carbonate uni-body and we began with seamless construction, the One X has this beautiful piano gloss edge around the perimeter of the phone and a matt back surface, it's the intersection of these two textures that creates a crisp surface break, it's this detail that really maximizes the precision and beauty of the material, we've taken this premium housing and combined it with 3D Gorilla glass, the glass curves and flows over the edge, this phone feels great when you pick it up, in fact when i'm using this phone i'm always rubbing my finger around the outside surface, it really feels awesome, we've obsessed about the tiniest of details on the One X, a good example is the way we've micro drilled the speakers holes to reach that perfect edge, it's attention to detail like this that really sets it apart, i like to describe the One X by distilling it down to three basic ideas, piano gloss side walls, curved glass and a simple iconic camera detail, it's the whole design sysyncly described in three short phrases
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Leaked early Concept
More info about the uni-body poly-carbonate construction here, here, here and here
MWC Grey version was a prototype finish, final Grey version and analysis here>>
Close up video of the black version>>
Awesome Video of the White Version>>
Engadget One X Photos from MWC2012>>
Phonearena about ImageSense with Samples>>
More info about the amazing camera here, with video>>
Anandtech's One X vs One S Benchmarks>>
One X SLCD2 is an AH-IPS screen "perfect view angles" IPS not mentioned in the spec sheet for trademark reasons>>
Info about the Tegra3 GPU 12 core count for Apple A5x Quad core count plus clocks>>
Anandtech's Detailed A5x vs T3 Analysis: GPU Situation, Real World Gaming and CPU situation
Anandtech's Detailed A5x vs T3 Analysis: Revealing information about memory channel situation>>
Tablet Chip Showdown: Nvidia Tegra 3 vs. the New iPad’s A5X>>
Anandtech article on Tegra 3 Architecture>>
ARM's big.LITTLE Processing 4 plus 1 inspired concept (similar to T3)>>
Anandtech Tegra 3 GPU benchmarks (T30 Transformer Prime)>>
Tegra 3 GPU benchmarks (T33 Lenovo Lepad)>>
Detailed negative analysis about the Tegra3>>
Nvidia Tegra3 Presentation>>
Tegra 3 White papers>>
Tegra 3 DirectTouch Feature>>
Gaming on Tegra 3>>
HTC’s flagship Android phone to be called One X, Ville to be called One S>>
HTC One X Accessories>>
HTC Ville (codename) - Release name: HTC One S, HTC's Secondary 2012 flagship
The HTC One S is for people who want a high-end smartphone in a more compact size. It is powered by a Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 processor with up to 1.5GHz dual-core CPU’s. It also includes a 4.3-inch screen crafted from contoured Corning™ Gorilla Glass. HTC One S brings HTC’s innovative metal unibody styling to a new thin 7.9-mm design, making it HTC’s thinnest phone yet. The HTC One S sports two new finishes that break new ground in mobile phone innovation. The first is an ultra-matte black Ceramic Metal surface that is the result of a microarc oxidation (MAO) process originally developed for use in satellites. It transforms the surface of the aluminum unibody into a ceramic, super-dense crystalline structure that is four times harder than anodized aluminum, enabling the HTC One S to look great over time. The second finish for the One S takes anodizing to a new level with a new patented process that creates a light-to-dark gradient fade that looks gorgeous and sophisticated
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Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich)
4.3-inch qHD Super AMOLED display @ 256PPI, pentile matrix
1.5GHz dual-core Snapdragon 4 processor, New krait chip with Adreno 225 GPU
Backlit 8 MP camera BSI backlight Sensor with f/2.0 lens, 1.3mp front cam plus ImageSense chipset
[COLOR="Green)"]Gorilla glass 2.5D[/COLOR]
Beats Audio throughout the whole audio output
Metallic uni-body with crystaline ceramic metal finish
7.8m ultra thin
No NFC support
No Sd slot
MicroSIM
16GB internal
1650mAh battery built-in
HSPA+
130.9 x 65 x 7.8 mm
119.5 grams with battery
Classic HTC aluminium uni-body with new two different finishes:
- Black ceramic ultra matt "Micro-Arc Oxidized" finish with red accents, 4 times more durable than the old aluminium
- Dark to gray Gradient "patented" Anodized finish with blue accents
+ Curved 3D Gorilla glass, the glass curves around the edges
Leaked early Concept
Snapdragon 4 VS Tegra 3
Snapdragon4: 28nm, 2 x Krait @1.5GHz, 2 x 32-bit LPDDR2 memory bus,
Adreno 225 GPU: 8 units, 50% faster > Adreno220, 3x faster > Adreno205, 6x faster > Adreno200
Tegra3: 40nm, 4 x ARM Cortex A9 w/ MPE @1.5GHz + 5th low power ARM cortex A9 companion core @500mhz, 1 x 32-bit LPDDR2 memory bus
Geforce++ GPU: 8 pixel units + 4 vector units, 2x/3x faster than Tegra2
In Anandtech's preview of the One X vs One S during the MWC 2012 announcement, it shows the T3 is going head to head with the s4 in CPU speed, while GPU it beats the s4, the One X has 77% more pixels to render vs the One S, conclusion the T3 is better in web browsing and gaming (multitasking and GPU), the dual S4 has better single core performance.
Further benchmarks affirm that the T3 is better suited for the 720p display, vs iPad2/iPad3 both the T3 and s4 beats its CPU (same Dual A9 1.0ghz CPU on A5/A5x) and between 2 to 3x GPU advantage for the A5x quad core GPU over T3 (unlike the 4x claimed by Apple)
One S Super Amoled screen uses a PenTile RGBG matrix>>
Info about pentile super amoled screen here >>
Anandtech's One X vs One S Benchmarks!>>
Engadget One S Photos from MWC2012>>
Anandtech article on snapdragon 4's Krait Architecture>>
Anandtech's performance preview of Snapdragon 4 (Krait) with Adreno225>>
Anandtech's One X vs One S Benchmarks!>>
Tegra3 vs Snapdragon4 vs A5x vs A5>>
More One X vs One S benchmarks>>
General conlcusion for the T3 vs S4 situation>>
Snapdragon4 vs Tegra3 Benchmarks head to head>>
The Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 (Krait) Preview Part II, Tegra3 vs dual Snapdragon4>>
PC Mag benchmarks of Snapdragon4 vs Tegra3>>
Sense 4.0/4.1/4+
After the massively bogged down heavily 3D animated sense 3.0, HTC went with simplification of it's UI, reducing much of the heavy bloat, eventually by the Sense 4+ JB updated they finally achieved triple buffered locked 60fps throughout the Sense UI.
Thread discussing Sense 4.0>>
HTC official updates
HTC has shown a good record of providing Android updates, they commit updates up to 18 months of the device lifetime, flagship phones have gone through three major Android updates, also most of the beta firmwares are regularly leaked on xda few months ahead of release date, for example:
HTC One X: Ice Cream Sandwith 4.0.3 / Sense 4.0 > ICS 4.0.4 / Sense 4.1 > Jelly Bean 4.1.1 / Sense 4+ > JB 4.2.2 / Sense 5
HTC Sensation: Gingerbread 2.3.4 / Sense 3.0 > GB 2.3.5 / Sense 3.5 (beta) > ICS / Sense 3.6 (Final)
HTC Desire HD: Froyo 2.2 / Sense 2.1 > Gingerbread 2.3.3 / Sense 2.1 > GB 2.3.5 / Sense 3.0 > ICS (Cancelled)
HTC Desire: Eclair 2.1 / Sense 1.9 > Froyo 2.2 / Sense 2.0 > Gingerbread 2.3 / / Reduced Sense 2.1 (final, standalone download)
HTC Development Support
HTC officially supports unlocking boot-loader and have already provided unlocks for most its older Android phones, however S-OFF is not officially supported
Unlocking support and kernel sources can be found on this site http://htcdev.com/

In my opinion both are great phones. In 2012 HTC will prove that is better than Iphone with these 2 babies. I don't know if i can afford one of these. I have to play in Euromillions.
Thx hamdir

hardcore4ever said:
In my opinion both are great phones. In 2012 HTC will prove that is better than Iphone with these 2 babies. I don't know if i can afford one of these. I have to play in Euromillions.
Thx hamdir
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by the way i would have gone with Ville if the screen was HD, i know they chose Amoled this time but really HD displays with over 300DPI density are something else
I'm hoping the Ville will sport a dual core snapdragon 4 instead of snapdragon 3 (the one in Sensation and the new Xperia series) which means improved performance and a better GPU (Adreno 225 or Adreno 305) HTC are the first to use new Snapdragons, so its a very high possibility
I predict HTC will announce the quad core snapdragon 4 device with Adreno320, six months after the release of the Edge, I'm not sure if the leaked Zeta concept are geniune
and to be perfectly honest i worry about the Tegra a bit, nvidia make speedy chips but quality :S i don't know... Tegra 2 wasn't really as massively fast as they advertised, Adreno 205 and 220 remained competitive

I absolutely love the Ville but sadly i won't be able to buy it ;с
To me, the successor to the DHD will be the Ville

I agree hamdir. Ville is ok, but if you look at the specs from that leak, it isn't much of an improvement to begin with. To me it's the same as Sensation XL. I have it and to be honest, I see absolutely no difference between it and DHD. Yes the screen is better and yes it has a bit more juice in it, but really no major difference at all. Edge on the other hand I see as a device that I might possibly keep for a very long time considering it will most likely be quad core and I've read somewhere that camera will be 10mpx.
The thing that really bothers me is that phones are generally getting bigger and I really wouldn't like to carry a 5' phone on me.
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djolebih said:
I agree hamdir. Ville is ok, but if you look at the specs from that leak, it isn't much of an improvement to begin with. To me it's the same as Sensation XL. I have it and to be honest, I see absolutely no difference between it and DHD. Yes the screen is better and yes it has a bit more juice in it, but really no major difference at all. Edge on the other hand I see as a device that I might possibly keep for a very long time considering it will most likely be quad core and I've read somewhere that camera will be 10mpx.
The thing that really bothers me is that phones are generally getting bigger and I really wouldn't like to carry a 5' phone on me.
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yes it seems once google released the galaxy nexus, 4.7 inch suddenly became the new standard, i tried the sensation XL and its really big for me, 4.3 was the max im comfortable with
i think sony has done well with offering the same basic specs on both the Xperia S and Ion with only the looks and screen size as difference, this we way the users have the choice
right now between the ville and edge, im forced to pick the edge despite my problem with 4.7inch

hamdir said:
yes it seems once google released the galaxy nexus, 4.7 inch suddenly became the new standard, i tried the sensation XL and its really big for me, 4.3 was the max im comfortable with
i think sony has done well with offering the same basic specs on both the Xperia S and Ion with only the looks and screen size as difference, this we way the users have the choice
right now between the ville and edge, im forced to pick the edge despite my problem with 4.7inch
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Again I agree. Nothing against Ville really, but Edge sounds like a more mature phone in all aspects. I have given it a good thought and frankly, compared to Edge, I think Ville will be a waste of money. I will however buy both for comparison purposes, but I think I already know who the winner will be.
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djolebih said:
Again I agree. Nothing against Ville really, but Edge sounds like a more mature phone in all aspects. I have given it a good thought and frankly, compared to Edge, I think Ville will be a waste of money. I will however buy both for comparison purposes, but I think I already know who the winner will be.
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your rich? you have the XL and buying both new upcoming ones?
i just bought my wife the classic sensation used and will be buying the Edge can't afford more

It'll be too expensive
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hamdir said:
your rich? you have the XL and buying both new upcoming ones?
i just bought my wife the classic sensation used and will be buying the Edge can't afford more
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Not like filthy rich lol, but I have cash for these things. I'm a tech addict so whatever is out new I gotta have it. It's not really an issue with money it's more of a principle. I got my fiancee Rhyme and she loves it.

I agree on phones getting to large. Me personally I liked the sensations size. It felt better in my hand than my inspire(us dhd). If we could get a quad core in the size of the ville I'm sold.
One thing to take note is that though the galaxy nexus has a huge screen it got rid of the capacitive buttons so its not really that much larger, than current phones.
As too which phone ill get, I would want quad core but never used tegra devices so still on the fence. Either way I'm going HTC, and hopefully us here in the US don't have to wait long after you guys.
For now my inspire running ics can honestly keep up for another year if I needed to wait it out

marsdta said:
I agree on phones getting to large. Me personally I liked the sensation screen size. It felt better in my hand than my inspire(us dhd). If we could get a quad core in the size of the ville I'm sold.
One thing to take note is that though the galaxy nexus has a huge screen it got rid of the capacitive buttons so its not really that much larger, than current phones.
As too which phone ill get, I would want quad core but never used tegra devices so still on the fence. Either way I'm going HTC, and hopefully us here in the US don't have to wait long after you guys.
For now my inspire running ics can honestly keep up for another year if I needed to wait it out
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That's exactly what I'm thinking. 4.3in was perfectly fine for a phone. The way it's moving atm, half way through the year, we're going to have phones that really are mini tablets and then what..
As for Tegra, I'm using Motorola Xoom and it's actually really really good.

djolebih said:
That's exactly what I'm thinking. 4.3in was perfectly fine for a phone. The way it's moving atm, half way through the year, we're going to have phones that really are mini tablets and then what..
As for Tegra, I'm using Motorola Xoom and it's actually really really good.
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Hopefully manufacturer don't go crazy and stop making phone size phones lol.
I haven't really played with a tegra device to make any judgement. My only, though very limited, experience with it is on my sisters g2x. And compared to our dhd, I was not impressed. But maybe this quad core will be.
My one caveat with the ville after relooking at the specs is the battery still seems to small. And that's comparing to our measly battery. I'm willing to sacrifice an extra few mm, to get a bigger battery. Looking at the razr maxx, it not that much bigger than the original and it has 3300mah battery! That more than double ours and about same thickness as ours I believe

marsdta said:
Hopefully manufacturer don't go crazy and stop making phone size phones lol.
I haven't really played with a tegra device to make any judgement. My only, though very limited, experience with it is on my sisters g2x. And compared to our dhd, I was not impressed. But maybe this quad core will be.
My one caveat with the ville after relooking at the specs is the battery still seems to small. And that's comparing to our measly battery. I'm willing to sacrifice an extra few mm, to get a bigger battery. Looking at the razr maxx, it not that much bigger than the original and it has 3300mah battery! That more than double ours and about same thickness as ours I believe
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Yeah but Motorola is working with the Aliens according to RCVR short series..
Hahah.. Had to put it here.

if i where to have to pick a sucessor to the desire hd i dont really think it would be any of the ones you listed, i think htc has something special in store for us. but i can say that i doubt it will be the edge, yes a quad core is nice but not a tegra one. coming back to the dhd from an atrix i can say the lack of drivers/source for the cpu or whatever it was really made development suck. you are very limited at what can be made, unless nvidia decides to release the stuff. and the ville seems very nice except i think a true sucessor will have better specs.

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if i where to have to pick a sucessor to the desire hd i dont really think it would be any of the ones you listed, i think htc has something special in store for us. but i can say that i doubt it will be the edge, yes a quad core is nice but not a tegra one. coming back to the dhd from an atrix i can say the lack of drivers/source for the cpu or whatever it was really made development suck. you are very limited at what can be made, unless nvidia decides to release the stuff. and the ville seems very nice except i think a true sucessor will have better specs.
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yes i already had my worries about tegra, but i didn't know they don't share their sources? devices builders are bound by law to release the kernel source along with its drivers
moreover you have to remember HTC devices have a much wider support in XDA then any other brand, for example check the xperia ARC forums despite having snapdragon 2 the support is limited
finally a history reminder XDA developers was founded to support the O2 XDA devices made by HTC which had an Nvidia Goforce GPU
if anything it might be warm come back to nvidia

hamdir said:
yes i already had my worries about tegra, but i didn't know they don't share their sources? devices builders are bound by law to release the kernel source along with its drivers
moreover you have to remember HTC devices have a much wider support in XDA then any other brand, for example check the xperia ARC forums despite having snapdragon 2 the support is limited
finally a history reminder XDA developers was founded to support the O2 XDA devices made by HTC which had an Nvidia Goforce GPU
if anything it might be warm come back to nvidia
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The kernel yes has to have the source released but driver source has never been released. One of the main reasons that the AOSP drivers are lacking compared to the stock drivers. Take BT for example stock based rom's use a different driver then the AOSP rom's. Same for the radio, screen, camera ect.

i found more details about the Edge screen and thickness here:
http://androidcommunity.com/more-htc-edge-details-nfc-8-8mm-and-sense-4-0-20111108/
According to an anonymous tipster (who lamentably didn’t have any new photos) the Edge will indeed be the first smartphone to feature Nvidia’s monster quad-core Tegra 3 processer running at a blistering 1.5Ghz. The processor is backed up by a full gigabyte of RAM and 32 gigs of on-board storage. The phone itself is updated as 8.8mm thin – very slim for a device with this much horsepower – but must go without a MicroSD card slot. The screen is a massive 4.7-inch 720p panel using the latest in S-LCD technology. Optical lamination makes the screen seem to float just below the glass with no space for air or dust. NFC and a large 1800mAh battery are included.
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so the screen should hopefully be a quality one similar to the XL

some negative thoughts on tegra 3 here:
http://www.fonearena.com/blog/45206/quadcore-htc-edge-to-be-showcased-at-mwc.html
Frankly speaking I am not very excited about this device because quadcore is just a marketing strategy, though it uses 4 cortex A9 processors, the L1 and L2 cache provided is equal to the one present in Tegra 2, which means nVIDIA does not expect anyone to use more than 2 cores at a time. Also we should note that Tegra 3 is a synchronous processor which will result in the consumption loads of battery, but we hope that the fifth core will be able to help us here. Superior processing power and a really powerful GPU makes it the leading processor available in the market right now, but how long will they be able to hold this position is the real question.
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Looking to the edge as my replacement for DHD unless somethi.g better comes along.Would love to have a phone with gorilla glass,got it on my transformer and after 9 months not a scratch on it
DESIRE HD using ER3BUS ASUS TRANSFORMER on KRAKD

One X vs. One S. Performance and dev

Getting a new phone as I ran over my Razr with my landcruiser 40..
Live in Norway so I would be getting the EU version of the X with tegra 3.
But looking at the benchmarks of the us version (dual core) of the X, it is clearly very fast. Wondering if we would get similar performance out of the S? And would it be as "xda friendly" as I suspect the X will become?
Money is not the issue, just not sure if I would be comfortable with such a large phone.. (well, the Razr had bezels from hell, so it was very wide)

buljo said:
Getting a new phone as I ran over my Razr with my landcruiser 40..
Live in Norway so I would be getting the EU version of the X with tegra 3.
But looking at the benchmarks of the us version (dual core) of the X, it is clearly very fast. Wondering if we would get similar performance out of the S? And would it be as "xda friendly" as I suspect the X will become?
Money is not the issue, just not sure if I would be comfortable with such a large phone.. (well, the Razr had bezels from hell, so it was very wide)
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One S Krait is fast for single app and for 2 apps, but clearly Tegra 3 outperforms Krait in multi-app and gaming performance. So i would say Tegra3 is more future than dualcore krait.
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HTC one s
i m a lucky guy with already an HTC One S. I did the same benchmark than the ones published for the HTC One XL and I ve got the same results.

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i m a lucky guy with already an HTC One S. I did the same benchmark than the ones published for the HTC One XL and I ve got the same results.
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Proof please of phone ownership.
It doesn't make any sense for HTC to release their flagship with a less powerful processor than their "mid-range" phone.
It wouldn't be the first time a mobile phone company forgot about what makes sense, but it's not like the HTC one X is going to be underpowered, regardless.
I really don't like the look of the pentile screens, which was the main deciding factor for the One X for me.
From the comments on that benchmark blog post it seems the tests are unrealistic; the scores for the alternatives are artificially low (iirc)

One S at its native QHD res vs One X at its native HD res, they trade blows and almost equal, the One X will show its muscles in quad optimised apps only
as for One X vs One XL = One X is better since T3 is better than dual s4 @ 720p

qpop said:
Proof please of phone ownership.
It doesn't make any sense for HTC to release their flagship with a less powerful processor than their "mid-range" phone.
It wouldn't be the first time a mobile phone company forgot about what makes sense, but it's not like the HTC one X is going to be underpowered, regardless.
I really don't like the look of the pentile screens, which was the main deciding factor for the One X for me.
From the comments on that benchmark blog post it seems the tests are unrealistic; the scores for the alternatives are artificially low (iirc)
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It doesn't makes sense, but they have crippled the one s with the pentile screen and low storage.
The s4 chip in the one s is a generation ahead of anything else until the arm A15 chips arrive. Qualcomm krait is supposed to be much closer to a15 spec than the A9 in tegra 3.

proof
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/7026471353/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/6880371452/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/7026471425/

Rastasia said:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/7026471353/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/6880371452/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/7026471425/
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congrats on your sexy beast mate, i love the One S
but these benchs are nothing new, Velloma is a not heavily multi-threaded Qualcomm test
excellent Device, what color did you get?

Thé blue/grey one. Do u want me to test on an other benchmark?
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Thé blue/grey one. Do u want me to test on an other benchmark?
Sent from my HTC One S using XDA
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best color mate! i bet its gorgeous
yes try Antutu https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.antutu.ABenchMark&feature=search_result
and GL benchmark offscreen 720p tests https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.glbenchmark.glbenchmark21&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5nbGJlbmNobWFyay5nbGJlbmNobWFyazIxIl0.

congrats on having the new device..
may i ask why did u got it so fast... ?!?!

fi3ry_icy said:
congrats on having the new device..
may i ask why did u got it so fast... ?!?!
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it s a test device from a provider
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best color mate! i bet its gorgeous
yes try Antutu https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.antutu.ABenchMark&feature=search_result
and GL benchmark offscreen 720p tests https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.glbenchmark.glbenchmark21&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5nbGJlbmNobWFyay5nbGJlbmNobWFyazIxIl0.
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can t get your second benchmark but here s your first request
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/7026577361/

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it s a test device from a provider
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can t get your second benchmark but here s your first request
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/7026577361/
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thanks you just confirmed my point of view, Antutu shows off the quads a lot better than a qualcomm test
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HTC ONE X is a wat better with Tegra
hamdir said:
thanks you just confirmed my point of view, Antutu shows off the quads a lot better than a qualcomm test
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This is proof
source
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmWRaaAteZg

those who haven't checked Anandtechs' review of the iPad3 i suggest you do, its full of juicy information
having settled all this info in my mind, it's quit easy to draw a clear picture
the Tegra3 is a chip-set that jumped most competitors with such an early entry to quad mobile CPUs, the only other quad in the market is the PS Vita's SOC (Sony CXD5315 build by Toshiba), both quad A9, early worries about memory bandwith/L2 cache are unfounded simply because ARM A9's memory controller can't keep up with more
Snapdragon 4 introduced dual memory channel, major optimization and performance per core, however its advantage is offset by the lack of cores, its a good design for quad but right now its excellent cores will still be stalled by multi-tasking and it's amazing memory bandwidth will go to waste
Right now Tegra3 is still the best Mobile CPU you can have, better than the A5x and dual S4, however the major let down of the Tegra 3 is it's GPU
Nvidia claimed 12 cores GPU on the T3 but that's simply the number of SIMDs and not physical cores, ARM also names its SIMDs as core, but this only confuses customers, Nvidia will use this naming scheme to counter Apple claims, like Asus already responded on twitter
ARM SGX543 MP series has physical core scaling, but its only 8 SIMDs per Core, vs 12 on the Tegra 3, 8 on Adreno225 and 5 on Mali-400, the A5 has 2 cores and hence 16 SIMDs while the A5x has 4 cores and hence 32 SIMDs
In reality the Tegra3 GPU falls a little short of the iPad 2 GPU, while it beats Mali-400 and Adreno225 in most situations but not all areas, Nvidia extracted all they can from this GPU by some aggressive drivers optimization and hacks, this is how they achieved their 3x Tegra2 claim i.e: its already optimized don't expect much room here
Nvidia's GPU is really disappointing but not a disaster, it just doesn't hold a lot of overhead, right now its still the fastest GPU for android and has the quad to back it up once an app is T3 optimized, the quads can add console quality gameplay additions like ragdoll, physics and particles but might not improve FPS (this will require an engine written from grounds up for multi core and i doubt devs will be inclined)
The iPad3 GPU is massively powerful, a testament to the PS Vita's GPU, however unlike the Vita its power is wasted on those pixels and hence games will benefit from it but not the 2x jump from current iPad2/iPhone4s games, like infinity blade 2 shows, it only managed a 1.4x resolution increase without loosing frame rate, so yes most 3D games on the iPad3 will not be retina boosted, why do i keep bringing up iPad? because iOS is still the leader when it comes to mobile gaming and most games we get on Android are ports, the future of iOS games will draw the future of Android games
All this makes me conclude the following
Android's main appeal is still the OS, what you can do with it and multi tasking, which translates into the main appeal for Tegra3, its ridiculous to even think quad cores can not benefit such a heavily multi-threaded OS
Android is still not the best platform for gaming but wether we like it or not, it's best grounds for gaming is Tegrazone simply because we have Nvidia pushing/bribing developers in this direction
If you are buying an Android device right now the best you can do is Nvidia Tegra3 but damn you Nvidia for not being more generous
its been the case for ages, asymmetry between CPU and GPU power, xbox360 had a more power GPU against its CPU, PS3 had the CPU against its GPU, Apple A5x has its GPU against last year CPU, the only SOC that satisfies both angles is PS Vita with its quad CPU and quad GPU but that's because Sony has to worry about the product life cycle which is over 4 years
so you can see Tegra3 has the CPU against its GPU, its not really breaking the norms in here, its business as usual

went for the S.
well, just posted in the S forums..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=24454178#post24454178
ended up with the one S instead of the X. the feel of the phones did it for me.