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Will future versions feature multi-core processors??

Hi,
Not to long ago samsung released their new dual core processor "Orion" with has some amazing specs. They says it will be up for mass production in frist half of 2011.
Both qualcomm and lg has also new smartphone processors coming next year.
Will future windows phone 7 devices feature this? The snapdragon in the current devices is kinda outdated...
My ultimate windows phone 7 phone would feature:
512 meg ram or more
at least 1GHz Orion or similar dual core processor
800 x 480 or greater super-amoled multitouch screen
4" screen
Sleak design in aluminium

Yeah.
WP7 will get put onto all the new software as its needs to compete with Android and the iPhone.

Although the 1GHz snapdragon is a little outdated now i think some people don't realise that it is still a beast of a processor, and WP7 has been specifically designed to run perfectly on it as it was the minimum requirement for Hardware Manufacturers don't forget.
Having Qualcomms "Still in Development" 1.5 Dual Core inside a device would be fantastic, but it's not going to happen anytime soon (2012 at the earliest) and for the time being that doesn't bother me the slightest as my HD7 runs smooth as anything with what it's got. I doubt a dual-core processor would increase the usuability of any of the WP7 Phones, the only thing it would do is reduce loading times of App's/Games/etc, which is currently only seconds anyway.

Agreed, I believe in Q2 2011, the processors will finally be available for manufactures
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Although the 1GHz snapdragon is a little outdated now i think some people don't realise that it is still a beast of a processor, and WP7 has been specifically designed to run perfectly on it as it was the minimum requirement for Hardware Manufacturers don't forget.
Having Qualcomms "Still in Development" 1.5 Dual Core inside a device would be fantastic, but it's not going to happen anytime soon (2012 at the earliest) and for the time being that doesn't bother me the slightest as my HD7 runs smooth as anything with what it's got. I doubt a dual-core processor would increase the usuability of any of the WP7 Phones, the only thing it would do is reduce loading times of App's/Games/etc, which is currently only seconds anyway.
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True but what about Samsungs Orion then?
The other reason why im waiting for a New wp7 device is the lack of exchangeable storage on all devices...

my only concern is about the compatibility of the Phones with LTE technology as Verizon's LTE network will be up in my area by the end of the year.

i'm waiting 1G ram with using nvidia Tegra 2 cpu + 5-7 point mutil touch

CE7 supports multi-core ARM CPUs. There are plans to move WP7 to CE7 (it's currently on a CE6/7 variant) later on. That should happen before dual core chips are a reality so there's no reason Microsoft won't move to it. I would guess that would come with a major software and hardware spec update, maybe WP8. There's no point in tossing the current WP7 on much more powerful hardware because the software won't take advantage of it. Games and apps will still be targeted at the 1ghz SnapDragon so basically things will just load faster.
People really need to get out of this hardware spec mentality. It doesn't matter if the phone had a 100mhz CPU if it performs well. I know that's hard if you're a techy but you have to focus on the end result, not the pieces that make it happen.
hkcyber said:
i'm waiting 1G ram with using nvidia Tegra 2 cpu + 5-7 point mutil touch
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Is this for real? Why would you need 5-7 touch points? Can you even fit 7 fingers on a 4in screen?

I sure as hell hope that Microsoft won't allow this on Pad devices.
Sure the idea with Pad devices might be good, but not with an OS built for a 4" display.

Sir. Haxalot said:
I sure as hell hope that Microsoft won't allow this on Pad devices.
Sure the idea with Pad devices might be good, but not with an OS built for a 4" display.
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yeah, if MS comes out with a pad, I hope they alter the OS or make a new one optimized for a pad sized screen.

[Q] dual cores etc, larger screens - any phones with a higher res coming out?

i mean, i want a phone later on this year that has all of the above. ideally, a 4.7" screen with a 1280x720 res, SAMOLED screen, dual core, tegra2 gpu and so on.
all the above minus the higher res wouldn't be enough of an upgrade imo.
so, any higher res phones coming out? even the optimus x2 has the same res as my desire

tommo123 said:
i mean, i want a phone later on this year that has all of the above. ideally, a 4.7" screen with a 1280x720 res, SAMOLED screen, dual core, tegra2 gpu and so on.
all the above minus the higher res wouldn't be enough of an upgrade imo.
so, any higher res phones coming out? even the optimus x2 has the same res as my desire
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i doubt it, the next logical step would be for an xvga device, (1024x768) but ive never heard of one. maybe you will find one with a higher dpi, like the retina display on iphones

that's it, i want a higher res display but can't get an iphone

You have to wait.

well, my contract's not up till november so hopefully someone out there(looking at LG, they seem to be pushing hard to be successful in this area now) will decide to tick off 'higher res' to add it to a 'better than the iphone 4' list

Motorola just unveiled Atrix 4G on CES. Phone is coming to AT&T and it has 540 x 960 (qHD) resolution.
And other specs also sounds nice - dual-core processor, 1GB of RAM, 1930mAh battery...

Dual core phones are right around the corner, they'll be here before November. However you won't find a phone with a 4.7 inch screen. The biggest will be the size of the Desire HD. The market isn't really big enough for phone companies to bring out a lot of massive phones and people are happy with the size they are now.
Look out for the PS phone, i think thats a 4" dual core phone. Lots of leaks on it.

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Dual core phones are right around the corner, they'll be here before November. However you won't find a phone with a 4.7 inch screen. The biggest will be the size of the Desire HD. The market isn't really big enough for phone companies to bring out a lot of massive phones and people are happy with the size they are now.
Look out for the PS phone, i think thats a 4" dual core phone. Lots of leaks on it.
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NO NO NO NO NO, just looking a the PS Phone makes me think back to the nokia N Gage , plus only 24 fps in neocore lol this year is going to be all about the nvida tegra II

I was wondering when this subject might finally come up here. In spite of the current trend for flagship phones to become bigger than ever, I still think the sweet spot is somewhere between 3.5" and 4.0". I wouldn't buy anything bigger for the full retail price - I'll buy a 10" tablet and a 13" to 15" laptop instead.
Ridiculously enough we're seing 800x480 pixels anywhere, stretched up to 5.0" and even more - and they call that HD (I mean: HTC Desire HD & HTC HD2 for example. Both great devices, but come on! You call that HD?). I don't want bigger screens; I want higher DPI and superior image quality! I said the next phone I'll buy would be 3.7" device with 1280x768 pixels (that would be the next logical step for Android super phones after the iPhone 4: same aspect ratio as before but 2.5x as many pixels and HD ready for real) but it looks like I'll have to wait a long time.
Somebody please tell HTC to produce something like that. I'll buy it instantly

4.7"?? That is hugeeee.

not for me, used to holding something large in my hand
anyhoo, i tried the dell streak and found that comfortable so a 5" phone would do me tbh

Dualcored proc, at least 1.5GB internal memory, independent GPU, at least 1GB RAM, micro SDCard slot, HDMI output, 2 Cameras, flash light, better battery life, etc. etc.
Those are the specs I hope for my next android smartphone....but 4.7 inch screen is not for me...Desire HD is already a bit too big (4.3").
Dell Streak and Galaxy Tab, I hate 'em...it is just too huge for a phone

Please delete my post. Captain Obvious doesn't need to retell every story.
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On top of the above specs. The radio needs to be wcdma or 3g over all 5 bands. That is the only iPhone 4 feature that impressed me.
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I don't think that right now there is a smartphone way better than HTC Desire,so I don't see a good reason to upgrade.I'm also willing to change it.I guess we will have to wait and maybe in the summer there will be one with something like thisual-core Quallcomm with Adreno 3xx,1Gb RAM,8-16 internal memory+microsd card,front-facing camera,better battery life etc.As for the display,the one on the Desire is ok for me,I never had quality problems,and it's size is perfect(Desire HD is way too big for me,I can't hold it firmly in my hand).Overall,I don't think all these are needed,the Desire doesn't have any lag(except the latest games like Dungeon Defenders),but if they are not present then I wouldn't justify an upgrade.
Btw,tegra 2 is not a gpu,it's a dual core cpu

tegra is a gpu solution but uses a A9 cpu along with it I believe its a standard that nvidia has set to be used with their gpu
It makes no sense for nvidia to make a cpu they are a gpu company
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Motorola Atrix, will have a besster resolution. looks very interessting. also with the laptopdock. htc doesnt have anytings in this class.

It's not the size of the hardware, it's how you use it.

I've seen this argument now 100 times over that you should not consider WP7 or have anything to do with WP7 due entirely to the fact that the hardware is 'last-gen.' Well, I'm standing in the store with my DVP along-side an Atrix and I've been doing some similar and even the same apps and games between the two and the DVP seems to be doing much, much, better. Of course the UI on the DVP is 1000 times smoother regardless of hardware but that's a given due to the lack of a hardware accelerated UI on android. The iphone is smoother in some of the apps due to microsoft's stupid 30 fps... thing but the OS on the DVP is even smoother than the iphone. I have to give the iphone credit though due to it's underclocked nature it's barely beaten by WP7 in terms of UI and smokes WP7 in terms of apps. If the UI wasn't so ugly and the hardware was a little less limited it would be the only valid choice in my opinion. So yeah, just the fact that there are dual-core processors on some android devices doesn't mean anything if it can't properly utilize them. I guess that was the whole point I was trying to make.

My Motorola Razr is 1000 times faster than your Dell. Your point?
Hardware acceleration is there, its been there for a while. Do some research. You would see the devices wouldn't be useable without it.
Your do know dual cores, do a lot more than make things faster, don't you?

vetvito said:
My Motorola Razr is 1000 times faster than your Dell. Your point?
Hardware acceleration is there, its been there for a while. Do some research. You would see the devices wouldn't be useable without it.
Your do know dual cores, do a lot more than make things faster, don't you?
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You mad bro?
If anything, you should've talked about the fact that it has nothing to do with dual-cores in general but due to the fact that the Atrix is a mass of poor coding.
You could've also stated that dual cores generally make the phone use less power and be more efficient leading to better battery life.
Instead, I have to ask, what the hell can a RAZR do faster?

vetvito said:
My Motorola Razr is 1000 times faster than your Dell. Your point?
Hardware acceleration is there, its been there for a while. Do some research. You would see the devices wouldn't be useable without it.
Your do know dual cores, do a lot more than make things faster, don't you?
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Hardware acceleration is there, however the UI is not GPU accelerated which is why android is generally laggy. I've done my research. I'm aware of what dual-cores do but it's supposed to make it faster as a big part and hey... it's not much faster due to the UI itself. I can't even imagine how powerful an iDevice or a WP7 device would be with that under the hood but the only thing that's been selling android for awhile is that their hardware is bigger and badder.

No, I was attempting a joke. Failed huh?
I could've mentioned a lot of stuff.

yeah moto basically can't code for ****. Let's compare Apple to Apple.
The iPad 2 runs an A5 dual-core processor whereas the iPad runs an A4 single core, both good processors,
but you can see improvement in speed, fluidity, and general handling of the A5 over the A4 and dual-cores make it possible for higher resolution output (the Evo 3D will output 1080p via HDMI) as well video decoding and things that actually utilize it. The motocrap UI sucks no matter which device is using it I don't care if they put a 6-core i7 in there.
The thing is that WP7 is behind with no front facing camera on any device, and last gen snapdragons. It's just a fact. The iPhone 5 supposedly has the same dual-core A5 with a 4" screen and will SMOKE any WP7 device for at least a year or more.
don't use the worst example to try to compare.

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yeah moto basically can't code for ****. Let's compare Apple to Apple.
The iPad 2 runs an A5 dual-core processor whereas the iPad runs an A4 single core, both good processors,
but you can see improvement in speed, fluidity, and general handling of the A5 over the A4 and dual-cores make it possible for higher resolution output (the Evo 3D will output 1080p via HDMI) as well video decoding and things that actually utilize it. The motocrap UI sucks no matter which device is using it I don't care if they put a 6-core i7 in there.
The thing is that WP7 is behind with no front facing camera on any device, and last gen snapdragons. It's just a fact. The iPhone 5 supposedly has the same dual-core A5 with a 4" screen and will SMOKE any WP7 device for at least a year or more.
don't use the worst example to try to compare.
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Really think they'd go up to a 4 inch screen... hey, it may be a worthwhile phone then... The size of the processor is entirely null on android though, the UI isnt going to speed up because the coding for android in general just isn't that hot. WP7 is still the smoothest UI out there on a "last-gen" snapdragon. I would like to see a front facing camera considering there were rumors of windows video chat back in January but really the hardware despite being old utilizes the hardware better than android utilizes it's most up-to-date hardware. There will still be no GPU acceleration unless the OEM codes it in themselves on a device to device basis and considering that the OEMs just want to slam device after device to sell as many different devices as possible that's highly unlikely.

z33dev33l said:
Really think they'd go up to a 4 inch screen... hey, it may be a worthwhile phone then... The size of the processor is entirely null on android though, the UI isnt going to speed up because the coding for android in general just isn't that hot. WP7 is still the smoothest UI out there on a "last-gen" snapdragon. I would like to see a front facing camera considering there were rumors of windows video chat back in January but really the hardware despite being old utilizes the hardware better than android utilizes it's most up-to-date hardware. There will still be no GPU acceleration unless the OEM codes it in themselves on a device to device basis and considering that the OEMs just want to slam device after device to sell as many different devices as possible that's highly unlikely.
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Depends which phone, the moto crap UI sucks, I hate touchwiz, but AOSP is smooth and so is stock sense, I'd put up my CM7 ADW launcher or my Desire ROM against WP7 any day of the week and It's just as smooth.
Android is different in that the manufs have to code their own framework except the Nexus series so it can be hit or miss, WP7 is all MS so yeah you know what you're going to get on any phone, but if you get an Atrix and hate it, you can return it and get an Incite and get a whole new awesome experience with Android on actual 4G.

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Depends which phone, the moto crap UI sucks, I hate touchwiz, but AOSP is smooth and so is stock sense, I'd put up my CM7 ADW launcher or my Desire ROM against WP7 any day of the week and It's just as smooth.
Android is different in that the manufs have to code their own framework except the Nexus series so it can be hit or miss, WP7 is all MS so yeah you know what you're going to get on any phone, but if you get an Atrix and hate it, you can return it and get an Incite and get a whole new awesome experience with Android on actual 4G.
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Eh, I'm sorry, I've tried the latest devices T-mobile had to offer up to the MT4g and regardless of CM or whatever it was still slow in comparison to WP7 and I feel that won't be resolved until the OEMs decide to make the UI GPU accelerated. I still have a G2 and with the latest and greatest roms it still can't compare, nor can my moms MT4g with CM7 on it.

z33dev33l said:
Eh, I'm sorry, I've tried the latest devices T-mobile had to offer up to the MT4g and regardless of CM or whatever it was still slow in comparison to WP7 and I feel that won't be resolved until the OEMs decide to make the UI GPU accelerated. I still have a G2 and with the latest and greatest roms it still can't compare, nor can my moms MT4g with CM7 on it.
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matter of opinion then, I compared an MT4G and an HD7 side-by-side and the MSM chip in the MT4G makes a big difference, it was much smoother and lightning fast, so it's just subjective on that point.

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matter of opinion then, I compared an MT4G and an HD7 side-by-side and the MSM chip in the MT4G makes a big difference, it was much smoother and lightning fast, so it's just subjective on that point.
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To be perfectly honest I haven't been particularly impressed with HTC's WP7 devices... they're slow compared to the other OEMs and choppy... I hate using the HD7 after using the DVP for a few hours. Internally they're pretty much the same and I don't know what the difference is but HTC's general lack of quality shows.

WP7's smoothness is mainly in the default applications and system software. If you test a lot of apps on WP7 you see that, that smoothness is not truly apparent in most 3rd party apps which is unfortunate.

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WP7's smoothness is mainly in the default applications and system software. If you test a lot of apps on WP7 you see that, that smoothness is not truly apparent in most 3rd party apps which is unfortunate.
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Certainly not in the iphone ports but in a number of the apps built exclusively for WP7it's apparent. I just wish they'd stop being a "We have that too" group instead of innovating.

orangekid said:
yeah moto basically can't code for ****. Let's compare Apple to Apple.
The iPad 2 runs an A5 dual-core processor whereas the iPad runs an A4 single core, both good processors,
but you can see improvement in speed, fluidity, and general handling of the A5 over the A4 and dual-cores make it possible for higher resolution output (the Evo 3D will output 1080p via HDMI) as well video decoding and things that actually utilize it. The motocrap UI sucks no matter which device is using it I don't care if they put a 6-core i7 in there.
The thing is that WP7 is behind with no front facing camera on any device, and last gen snapdragons. It's just a fact. The iPhone 5 supposedly has the same dual-core A5 with a 4" screen and will SMOKE any WP7 device for at least a year or more.
don't use the worst example to try to compare.
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way to compare last year's phones to those coming out later this year (rumor is a fall release).
hell, the DS7 has a dualcore processor, does that make it a top tablet?

^ for the price it does. Mine is super fast and smooth.

Well, there aren't many tablets out right now, but I wouldn't say it's tops.
It has a low res screen which really helps it perform better, compared to other tablets and the only other tablet that was out at the time (Galaxy Tab, I'm speaking Google-endorsed tablets) had phone specs with a large screen...
WP7 would have benefitted from using a better SoC at launch because phones are sold mostly on 2 year contracts and, well, a year after release there will be tons of polished Dual Core phones. Also, since all WP7 devices are supposed to get updates future proofing them at least somewhat would have been good for the platform as a whole, and customers obviously.
It will be interesting to see how many updates these launch phones recieve after Mango, IMO.

I think dual core is not a big deal. A well managed single core processor is more than enough for a phone... unless you want to run two processor intensive apps. But if you think about it, do you ever run such apps simultaneously? All modern phone OS put an app in hibernation when you switch to some other processor intensive app.
There have been a few different points or comparisons made in this thread. Here are my 2 cents on it.
iPad2 performs so much better than iPad... the majority of the improvement comes from a very good GPU. Apple is very good at using the GPU and thus the difference is obvious. Nevertheless, tablets are very likely to be used to do processor intensive tasks simultaneously. Thus dual core can be utilized to its potential.
The barrage of android phones with dual core.... google's flagship device, Nexus S is single core. Google is going to stay with it for some time. I have been using Nexus One for some time now and I have not come across any instance where I was bogged down because I was running too many simultaneous apps. Sometimes a processor intensive app alone can slow me down, but that is due to android not being able to use my GPU to its full extent.
Thus, I agree with OP. The experience is what matters. Phone is not a PC where comparison can be made by merely comparing the hardware specifications. I think chassis 1 of Windows Phone 7 will get updates for at least 2 more years. Nevertheless, we should be seeing dual core windows phone 7 in early 2012.

Dual core is not about speed, it's about efficiency. You clearly weren't in the PC evolution era when we went from single core to dual core. Single core was still beating dual core in every benchmark, but the dual core was cooler/used less power/required fewer fans/apps that were "not responding" did not bring your entire system to a halt/etc.

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Dual core is not about speed, it's about efficiency. You clearly weren't in the PC evolution era when we went from single core to dual core. Single core was still beating dual core in every benchmark, but the dual core was cooler/used less power/required fewer fans/apps that were "not responding" did not bring your entire system to a halt/etc.
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I'm quite aware of this however speed is not entirely out of the equation. It's not like it's doing any huge favors still as smartphone batteries barely sustain the smartphone and it will likely be that way til we get those new solar-recharging things on the screen.

ryude said:
Dual core is not about speed, it's about efficiency. You clearly weren't in the PC evolution era when we went from single core to dual core. Single core was still beating dual core in every benchmark, but the dual core was cooler/used less power/required fewer fans/apps that were "not responding" did not bring your entire system to a halt/etc.
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I agree with you. Dual core brings better power management. I did not sleep through the PC evolution. However, the discussion in these thread repeatedly pointed out advantage of speed. I begged to differ and laid out my arguments.
Nevertheless, I reiterate that unless you have two processor intensive activities running in parallel, you will not see any advantage (including power consumption) of multiple cores. My point is that you hardly do that on a phone.
PS: "apps that were "not responding" did not bring your entire system to a halt" has nothing to do with multiple cores. It's sand-boxing. Only Unix based systems can do that effectively. Windows has been getting better but the kernel does not support all the features.

All these quad core android leaks, What MS needs to do

I am seeing all of these crazy quad core android leaks now and windows phone will get even more behind in specs. Look i know that most apps wont even utilize the quad core, there are barely any apps that do dual core but Apollo better be groundbreaking and allow quad core cause that is where MS needs to compete. At this rate i think the next iPhone too will be outdated on release.

wp7 doesn't need quad core, in fact, 99% of the smartphone users don't even need a dual core.
you'll see these quad core phones with a huge price tag, low battery life and performing the same as single/dual core devices.
it's completely unnecessary. it's not like you're running lightroom and premiere on your phone.

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wp7 doesn't need quad core, in fact, 99% of the smartphone users don't even need a dual core.
you'll see these quad core phones with a huge price tag, low battery life and performing the same as single/dual core devices.
it's completely unnecessary. it's not like you're running lightroom and premiere on your phone.
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Completely unnecessary? Definitely, wanted by many? Hell yes

svtfmook said:
wp7 doesn't need quad core, in fact, 99% of the smartphone users don't even need a dual core.
you'll see these quad core phones with a huge price tag, low battery life and performing the same as single/dual core devices.
it's completely unnecessary. it's not like you're running lightroom and premiere on your phone.
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My concern is with heat dissipation with all that processor power. In addition to my DVP, I have a MyTouch4G Slide - 1.2 ghz dual core - and it can get hot when you are using it. I am curious to see what the longevity of these 1st gen dual cores are based on my experience with the heat. My DVP seldom gets hot, neither did my nexus one for that matter. Just a thought...........

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Haven't you seen any of the Smoked By Windows Phone challenges? A Windows phone is faster than any of the android or iphones out there with dual core processors. IMO thats saying something.

I'm kinda fed up by these donkheads using Android who talks about nothing but specs. You can put WHATEVER you want in that ****ing OS and it will still not run smooth because IT IS NOT OPTIMIZED FOR ****.

aren't these new procs supposed to be more efficient and cooler than the previous batch?

Its stupid that android is desperately trying to become more and more like a desktop PC.

michael_chea7 said:
Haven't you seen any of the Smoked By Windows Phone challenges? A Windows phone is faster than any of the android or iphones out there with dual core processors. IMO thats saying something.
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Stitch a panorama? Smoked.
Shoot 1080? Ditto.
Higher CPU needs are coming ...

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aren't these new procs supposed to be more efficient and cooler than the previous batch?
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Generally, yes.

lovenokia said:
I am seeing all of these crazy quad core android leaks now and windows phone will get even more behind in specs. Look i know that most apps wont even utilize the quad core, there are barely any apps that do dual core but Apollo better be groundbreaking and allow quad core cause that is where MS needs to compete. At this rate i think the next iPhone too will be outdated on release.
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Quad cores are nice and stuff but they suck up a lot of battery power add that to the already 4G sucking up most of it and you get a phone that you have to charge every few hours a day. It's like a laptop with a cell phone battery.

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Stitch a panorama? Smoked.
Shoot 1080? Ditto.
Higher CPU needs are coming ...
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gimmick gimmick gimmick

prohibido_por_la_ley said:
Its stupid that android is desperately trying to become more and more like a desktop PC.
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This comment is ridiculous when you remember windows phone 8 is a desktop OS on a phone. well at least the kernel.
Quad cores however, are not needed on a phone at this point of time. Tablets yes, phones no. But to all that worry, Apollo is coming out this year

jz9833 said:
This comment is ridiculous when you remember windows phone 8 is a desktop OS on a phone. well at least the kernel.
Quad cores however, are not needed on a phone at this point of time. Tablets yes, phones no. But to all that worry, Apollo is coming out this year
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well u know what I mean, I meant it by the hardware standpoint.

I do think that Windows Phone needs to enter the dual core market for the gaming segment. Quad core is not necessary now and I suspect the Android market will not be dominated by quad cores in 2012.
But we do have to face facts, if (and I am not saying this is indeed a fact) the consumer wants a dual core then sales will not be where you want them to be if you are pushing out single cores. And so on. Imagine an OEM only making 3.2MP point and shoot cameras because that is enough to print on 8.5x11.

nicksti said:
I do think that Windows Phone needs to enter the dual core market for the gaming segment.
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It's exactly what I was going to say.... Xbox live titles are pretty good and they are getting better but, still not even close to some RPGs or Rage on the iphone or Android for graphics detail, quality and game play.
Xbox live is a brand that is known for great games, As a gamer, I am disapointed in the offerings given on my WP7 device. They are good but, not great.
Quad cores are just too much (battery and heat are the big ones), crap, to do better games, just give a better GPU, no quad core or even dual core is needed in most cases.

DavidinCT said:
It's exactly what I was going to say.... Xbox live titles are pretty good and they are getting better but, still not even close to some RPGs or Rage on the iphone or Android for graphics detail, quality and game play.
Xbox live is a brand that is known for great games, As a gamer, I am disapointed in the offerings given on my WP7 device. They are good but, not great.
Quad cores are just too much (battery and heat are the big ones), crap, to do better games, just give a better GPU, no quad core or even dual core is needed in most cases.
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absolutely agree, this is exactly why my device thats near on 2.5 YEARS old still kicks the balls off devices made yesterday
However, graphically intensive tasks are hampered by its aging Adreno 200 GPU
I believe the younger brother of my phone the HD7 had the Adreno 205 which gave it a significant bump, personally, i want the S3 Snapdragons, not for the multiple cores but the new Adreno 220/225.
The old S1 processor in my thing is still standing true, shoving 3 or even another 1 core in it is going to make the square route of bugger all difference in my every day needs.

The only reason for WP7 to have more CPU power is for gaming (and for the spec sheets of course). I am sure Apollo will bring multi-core support which will enable even better games. As it goes, some of the xbox live titles are fairly impressive, but there are games on other platforms which are significantly better due to the power available.
The only thing I have seen mentioned in this thread that is worth having more power for other than games, is 1080p video recording. It definitely does make a difference - I have a camera that does 1080p and it is very very nice. Cant wait for that, although I have a sneaky feeling that the second gen devices could do it if the software allowed it - correct me if I am wrong.

Yes, don't change Windows Phone! Keep it as it has always been. The first Gen devices from two years ago are sufficient, so there is no need for improvement! You see how great they sell!
Maybe quad core is a bit much on a phone (whereas I could imagine having one in my tablet), but if it improves multitasking, saves battery at the same time and makes speedier cameras, faster web browsing and better games possible- then fine, give the people the chance to buy these devices. Not everyone may need them (they buy the middle class models with the last gen hardware) but there definitely is a market.
And yes, imo Android devices are way faster than WP7 devices, equally smooth and offer a superior interface which looks better and offers far more options - a matter of taste!

Arjoma said:
... You see how great they sell! ...
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You ignore the fact that most sales people completely ignore selling WP7 over the easy sell of Android and iOS.
And yes, imo Android devices are way faster than WP7 devices, equally smooth and offer a superior interface which looks better and offers far more options - a matter of taste!
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Sorry... seen way too many laggy Android ROMs and devices to fully believe this statement. Whereas, every WP7 device has been consistently smooth. Superior interface is purely subjective.

HTC One S faster than One X?

<<Another interesting (although quite odd as well) detail, is the fact that the HTC One S is reportedly the second fastest mobile device in the world when it comes to rendering video, obtaining results that are far superior to the Tegra 3 Transformer Prime and HTC One X.>>
http://www.androidauthority.com/snapdragon-s4-pro-benchmark-66510/

Looks like this won't be "the benchmark phone", but I really don't care when all the real world reports are talking about how fast and smooth it is.

This was answered more than 100 times, check Mega thread.

People are so obsessed with Benchmarks they forgets about real world usage.

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People are so obsessed with Benchmarks they forgets about real world usage.
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Fully agree!
I don't care for these numbers, they are nothing worth.

Once AOSP ROMs pop up and devs start to meddle with everything, the X will be *the* benchmark phone.
And yes, numbers doesn't mean anything. My highest benchmark number made on my HTC Desire was made with a Sense ROM, yet I find Oxygen and CyanogenMod *a lot* faster than Sense for everyday use. So it means nothing.

i dont understand where everyone got this feeling is it from my thread? i showed pros and cons and i showed how they trade blows in benchmarks, wipes the s4 in true multi core tests like Antutu, i also showed how the GPU beats adreno225 in many tests and how its beats it overall @720p
Tegra 3 is currently the fastest most untapped mobile processor out there
many benchmarks are not taking advantage of the quad core
this is video proves it all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9S65h7cT0bo

hamdir said:
i dont understand where everyone got this feeling is it from my thread? i showed pros and cons and i showed how they trade blows in benchmarks, wipes the s4 in true multi core tests like Antutu, i also showed how the GPU beats adreno225 in many tests and how its beats it overall @720p
Tegra 3 is currently the fastest most untapped mobile processor out there
many benchmarks are not taking advantage of the quad core
this is video proves it all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9S65h7cT0bo
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+1 that video does really show the balls the Tegra 3 has!

hamdir said:
i dont understand where everyone got this feeling is it from my thread? i showed pros and cons and i showed how they trade blows in benchmarks, wipes the s4 in true multi core tests like Antutu, i also showed how the GPU beats adreno225 in many tests and how its beats it overall @720p
Tegra 3 is currently the fastest most untapped mobile processor out there
many benchmarks are not taking advantage of the quad core
this is video proves it all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9S65h7cT0bo
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14 hd videos! Amazing!
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hamdir said:
i dont understand where everyone got this feeling is it from my thread? i showed pros and cons and i showed how they trade blows in benchmarks, wipes the s4 in true multi core tests like Antutu, i also showed how the GPU beats adreno225 in many tests and how its beats it overall @720p
Tegra 3 is currently the fastest most untapped mobile processor out there
many benchmarks are not taking advantage of the quad core
this is video proves it all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9S65h7cT0bo
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Getting thankses for my find =] (is 'thankses' a real word?)
If I were apple I would patent this video.

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Getting thankses for my find =] (is 'thankses' a real word?)
If I were apple I would patent this video.
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here you got the thanks in return, this video if flooring anybody who sees it
its already circulating in my friends ring

Just found this benchmark video on youtube:
Benchmark : HTC One X vs HTC One S (AnTuTu)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MELsb7neD2o
HTC One X vs HTC One S - Quad Core Tegra 3 vs Dual Core S4 Qualcomm
One X : 10 597
One S : 6 458

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Just found this benchmark video on youtube:
Benchmark : HTC One X vs HTC One S (AnTuTu)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MELsb7neD2o
HTC One X vs HTC One S - Quad Core Tegra 3 vs Dual Core S4 Qualcomm
One X : 10 597
One S : 6 458
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excellent that's nearly double
Antutu is very good at scaling with the number of cores
i'll caught you into the mega thread!

hamdir said:
i dont understand where everyone got this feeling is it from my thread? i showed pros and cons and i showed how they trade blows in benchmarks, wipes the s4 in true multi core tests like Antutu, i also showed how the GPU beats adreno225 in many tests and how its beats it overall @720p
Tegra 3 is currently the fastest most untapped mobile processor out there
many benchmarks are not taking advantage of the quad core
this is video proves it all
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Congratulations, you found one of the few use cases where all four cores are used.
I have owned the transformer prime tf201 for a month before returning it, and was not massively impressed by the tegra 3.
Under honeycomb it felt virtually the same as the tf101, apart from home screen navigation. The browser was horrendous and considerably worse than my galaxy s2.
On ICS the whole thing was a massive improvement, but sadly the browser (any of them) was still not as good as the ipad2, and even the galaxy s2. I suspect in most cases, the qualcomm s4 will simply feel faster (and browsing in particular im hoping).
Tegra 3 was VERY impressive for media playback though and games aswell, however, there are barely any games on the market that the adreno 205 can not handle let alone the 220/225.
Adreno 220 in s3 was bottlenecked, 225 in s4 should be a lot better and close to tegra 3 gpu.

rarsi123 said:
Congratulations, you found one of the few use cases where all four cores are used.
I have owned the transformer prime tf201 for a month before returning it, and was not massively impressed by the tegra 3.
Under honeycomb it felt virtually the same as the tf101, apart from home screen navigation. The browser was horrendous and considerably worse than my galaxy s2.
On ICS the whole thing was a massive improvement, but sadly the browser (any of them) was still not as good as the ipad2, and even the galaxy s2. I suspect in most cases, the qualcomm s4 will simply feel faster (and browsing in particular im hoping).
Tegra 3 was VERY impressive for media playback though and games aswell, however, there are barely any games on the market that the adreno 205 can not handle let alone the 220/225.
Adreno 220 in s3 was bottlenecked, 225 in s4 should be a lot better and close to tegra 3 gpu.
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i have a Desire HD adreno205 and its starting to fall behind, the 3d games that do work are not working at their best
android default browser is always nonsense even for snapdragon device and opera is a tons better (or other alternative) it might be an asus problem
hard to believe the quad fails in a real multi tasking job like web browsing
media playback and games? YES PLEASE
you returned the T Prime and its the most well praised android tablet out there, with most media concluding its a titan a match to the iPad3, updates are making it better, in fact a massive update has just been released
your issues with the T Prime sound only software problems
not to mention the T Prime shipped with early T30 silicon which had troubles achieving its own thermal goals, we are getting a revised AP33 aimed at 1.5/1.6ghz stable in a mobile phone
you mean to tell me opera was performing worse in the Prime opposed to the SGS2? it runs perfectly on my DHD
Look i wanted to believe the s4 mopes t3 myself mate since i'm angry at the T3 GPU, but i have checked every review, every bench and every technical article out there and simply it did not beat the T3 it simply almost matched it and impressive feat for a dual core, but doesn't cancel or out do the T3 especially not at 1280x720
finally check my posts on the topic
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24097326&postcount=5
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24218006&postcount=12
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24189921&postcount=15
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24182862&postcount=2344

hamdir said:
i have a Desire HD adreno205 and its starting to fall behind, the 3d games that do work are not working at their best
android default browser is always nonsense even for snapdragon device and opera is a tons better (or other alternative) it might be an asus problem
hard to believe the quad fails in a real multi tasking job like web browsing
media playback and games? YES PLEASE
you returned the T Prime and its the most well praised android tablet out there, with most media concluding its a titan a match to the iPad3, updates are making it better, in fact a massive update has just been released
your issues with the T Prime sound only software problems
not to mention the T Prime shipped with early T30 silicon which had troubles achieving its own thermal goals, we are getting a revised AP33 aimed at 1.5/1.6ghz stable in a mobile phone
finally check my posts on the topic
you mean to tell me opera was performing worse in the Prime opposed to the SGS2? it runs perfectly on my DHD
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I returned it cause i couldnt afford the the £500 to keep it, especially when i know there's a £200 version coming soon! Under ICS it was very useable, but had some notorious bugs, like random reboots. The only real alternative is the ipad, but the aspect ratio renders it useless for media playback, so you are right, the tf201 is the only acceptable tablet out there.
Opera at the time didnt work that well in either honeycomb or ICS, but was amazing in gingerbread. I returned it before chrome beta came out, so cant comment on that either. The default browser has overall been very good since ICS, and i suspect this will be the case in any ONE S/X configuration.
The web browsing was acceptable with ICS, but didnt quite match the galaxy s2 or the ipad2. The galaxy s2 was that good that it made my ipad redundant and I eventually sold it. You'd never guess there was a quad core behind the tf201 when using the internet browser. It never quite looked as good as the only other ICS device, the galaxy nexus.
Overall I was really looking forward to tegra 3 and was left a little disappointed, and felt that perhaps the A9 was just not that good overall. I hoped the revised tegra 3 is a lot better. I was really looking forward to the s4 as well and am again disappointed that it is only comparable with the tegra 3. I may have to wait for the 2.5ghz quadcore version!
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My next phone will still probably be the one x though, one s has been crippled with a poor display and memory

i'm not interested in GPU power but more in efficiency per watt...
maybe too early to know exactly, but i would like to know:
Would the One S combination (S4, Adreno225, qHD, 1650mAh) be more power efficient (i.e battery lasts longer in normal everyday use) than the One X (T3, 720p, 1800mAh).
normal use: 1-2h display usage, browsing, mails, phone, camera, sms
thx!

rarsi123 said:
I returned it cause i couldnt afford the the £500 to keep it, especially when i know there's a £200 version coming soon! Under ICS it was very useable, but had some notorious bugs, like random reboots. The only real alternative is the ipad, but the aspect ratio renders it useless for media playback, so you are right, the tf201 is the only acceptable tablet out there.
Opera at the time didnt work that well in either honeycomb or ICS, but was amazing in gingerbread. I returned it before chrome beta came out, so cant comment on that either. The default browser has overall been very good since ICS, and i suspect this will be the case in any ONE S/X configuration.
The web browsing was acceptable with ICS, but didnt quite match the galaxy s2 or the ipad2. The galaxy s2 was that good that it made my ipad redundant and I eventually sold it. You'd never guess there was a quad core behind the tf201 when using the internet browser. It never quite looked as good as the only other ICS device, the galaxy nexus.
Overall I was really looking forward to tegra 3 and was left a little disappointed, and felt that perhaps the A9 was just not that good overall. I hoped the revised tegra 3 is a lot better. I was really looking forward to the s4 as well and am again disappointed that it is only comparable with the tegra 3. I may have to wait for the 2.5ghz quadcore version!
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My next phone will still probably be the one x though, one s has been crippled with a poor display and memory
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the reboots you speak of are attributed to software problems and early T30, the revision only solves problems with the silicon, allow 200mhz extra, nothing changed in architecture
@zerozoneice from what we are hearing, T3 is very power efficient, i don't know about amoled

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@zerozoneice from what we are hearing, T3 is very power efficient, i don't know about amoled
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thought the X has SLCD2 and the S has SAMOLED
i have a feeling they carefully balanced the **** out between the two models so there's no clear battery winner....

rarsi123 said:
Congratulations, you found one of the few use cases where all four cores are used.
I have owned the transformer prime tf201 for a month before returning it, and was not massively impressed by the tegra 3.
Under honeycomb it felt virtually the same as the tf101, apart from home screen navigation. The browser was horrendous and considerably worse than my galaxy s2.
On ICS the whole thing was a massive improvement, but sadly the browser (any of them) was still not as good as the ipad2, and even the galaxy s2. I suspect in most cases, the qualcomm s4 will simply feel faster (and browsing in particular im hoping).
Tegra 3 was VERY impressive for media playback though and games aswell, however, there are barely any games on the market that the adreno 205 can not handle let alone the 220/225.
Adreno 220 in s3 was bottlenecked, 225 in s4 should be a lot better and close to tegra 3 gpu.
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I'm using Asus transformer prime for last 3 months and I think its the best pad right now. It replaced my iPad 2. Tegra 3 is fast at everything. Especially with ICS.
Can hardly wait for One X.
There is nothing better for multitasking than T3 right now. And I use it quite often on phone too.
Companion core should bring good battery life too.
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