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[Q] HDMI adopter

Hello everyone,
I just got my new 10.1v and was wandering where I could find an hdmi adopter.
Is there a docking station with hdmi out or something?
Thanks a lot

gs980 said:
Hello everyone,
I just got my new 10.1v and was wandering where I could find an hdmi adopter.
Is there a docking station with hdmi out or something?
Thanks a lot
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I think we'll have to wait for the 10.1 and have to hope that the accesoires are compatible

All of the cables from the original Galaxy Tab work with the 10.1v (according to a Samsung rep in Australia), including the composite video out. Hopefully this means the cables for the 10.1 will work with the 10.1v too.

thanks guys,
probably stupid question, but do you know when these cables will be available for the 'original' tab?

gs980 said:
thanks guys,
probably stupid question, but do you know when these cables will be available for the 'original' tab?
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You mean the 7"?

gs980 said:
thanks guys,
probably stupid question, but do you know when these cables will be available for the 'original' tab?
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I think they are already available and have been for some time.
Anyway, it looks like an HDMI adaptor for the 10.1 is on its way:
http://samsung.mobilefulfilment.com...ct.aspx?ProductVariantId=FC276A98D9D5458B820F
I would bet these work fine with the 10.1v - though until they are released, we won't know for sure.

Will the 30 pin one from the Galaxy Tab 7 work?

Just got my Tab 7 inch HDMI dock in the post today - can confirm it works with the I/O 10.1 Tab
...there is already a youtube video from someone else showing this working, so search there if my good word is not enough for you!
Was just playing some Mario Kart 64 with my Datel Retro Wireless controller on my 42 inch television. Nice!

Galaxy TAB 10.1 HDMI
Hi
Do you need to do any setup?
I have connect the HDMI connector for 10.1 to my tablet and connect the HDMI to my TV and could not see any signal
Any idea?

You have to plug the usb/ac cable to the adapter and power source to work. Just the adapter and HDMI cable doesn't work.

psedir said:
You have to plug the usb/ac cable to the adapter and power source to work. Just the adapter and HDMI cable doesn't work.
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I missed you. Can you be more specific ?

[Q] USB TV/AV Composite Cable

Hi
I found the following cable in DealExtream:
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/premiu...ble-for-samsung-p1000-black-134cm-cable-81876
AFAIK, Galaxy Tab 10.1 Connector is pin compatible to Galaxy Tab (7"),
do you think this cable will work also with Galaxy Tab 10.1?

99% chance of rain. Even though the 30pin connector will go into the unit. From my understanding, the only video out on the 10.1 is HDMI but no one yet knows how.

anyone tried this yet? Would be great to use with old CRT TV's!

According to the Samsung site its not compatible.
Here

Ordered this cable for my GT10.1 and received it yesterday, it doesn't work there's no video output.
But! There is audio output...

Yes you will get audio but no video. Only way to get video is hdmi adapter.

ericlmccormick said:
99% chance of rain. Even though the 30pin connector will go into the unit. From my understanding, the only video out on the 10.1 is HDMI but no one yet knows how.
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It's MHL. You need a MHL to HDMI chip. There are generic micro usb to hdmi ones you can buy then wire up to the pins in connector. Those cost $7.99 at cheapest and the connector is going to cost you $4.99 unless you gut an existing one and move the pins around

Have u try to connect it not in color code order... try it..
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bijo said:
Hi
I found the following cable in DealExtream:
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/premiu...ble-for-samsung-p1000-black-134cm-cable-81876
AFAIK, Galaxy Tab 10.1 Connector is pin compatible to Galaxy Tab (7"),
do you think this cable will work also with Galaxy Tab 10.1?
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I have the samsung official Composite cable, and I can confirm that it is not compatible.

Compatibility with galaxy tab p1000 ?

I try to find cheap cables/chargers and for now all i have is for the galaxy tab p1000 ... do you know if they share the same port?

Sichroteph said:
I try to find cheap cables/chargers and for now all i have is for the galaxy tab p1000 ... do you know if they share the same port?
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I brought a USB data/charger for p1000 and they work fine with my p7510.

Charging and USB device are compatible.
Not sure about USB host.
Fairly certain HDMI is not.

Sichroteph said:
I try to find cheap cables/chargers and for now all i have is for the galaxy tab p1000 ... do you know if they share the same port?
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I'm reusing my Tab 7" charger and cables just fine. USB connection to computer works 100%, and the Tab 7" stock charger actually charges the 10.1 (looks to be the exact same 2A charger).

Nice to know thanks ... i will order a p1000 USB cable /charger, they are much cheaper
I am pretty sure too that it is not the same HDMI/USB converters

Sichroteph said:
Nice to know thanks ... i will order a p1000 USB cable /charger, they are much cheaper
I am pretty sure too that it is not the same HDMI/USB converters
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Saw a video of a guy using his Tab 7 HDMI dock with a 10.1 after he removed the plastic guide. No cable mods were needed.

[Q] 11 Pin MHL + USB OTG

Hey folks, im crossposting this, as i believe it didnt get the attention it'd have had i posted this in the accessories forum in the first place
http://forum.xda-developers.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=30249692
dennisfisch said:
Hey there, i have tried gathering information about this subject and it seems all threads always lead to this announcement:
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/06/29/galaxy-s-iii-new-mhl-connector-also-enables-usb-on-go/
Short: Samsung have changed to an 11 Pin-out to enable USB OTG and MHL Hdmi out at the same time. I purchased an original HDTV Adapter (EPL-3FHUBEGSTD) which as far as i can reliably count indeed has about 11 connectors inside the USB connector that goes into the phone.
Now, i can get HDMI out just fine, but ONLY when i also connect the MHL adapter to a power source (a PC USB Port will do fine), however i have also read, that the phone is able to power the MHL adapter itself but obviously would not be charged then (no surprises there). This does not work however.
Further, connecting a USB OTG cable to the micro usb port on the MHL adapter does nothing. No notification and no devices connecting. No power either, since the LED on my USB Hub does not light up as it should. Connecting any devices to the hub does nothing to change that situation. If i leave out the MHL adapter and connect the USB OTG cable directly to the phone, everything works perfectly. I have tried this with 2 different OTG cables so they are not the problem.
This is an original genuine HDTV Adapter for our phones, which according to that post should be working fine with USB OTG.
AFAIK, this topic --does-- come up more frequently now as i can find a few more discussions about it, albeit none really helpful:
http://android.stackexchange.com/qu...-of-11-pin-mhl-connector-in-samsung-galaxy-s3
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1743128
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1803079
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_High-Definition_Link#11-pin_MHL-USB_Connector
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1811435
That wiki entry is the most interesting link as it definitely states that using MHL and USB OTG simultaneously is possible and is also the reason why the 5 pin layout was changed to an 11 Pin layout.
Looking forward to reading your replies!
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Still waiting for USB OTG and MHL at same time. And while I'm thinking about it, I want it all in a dock compatible with my seidio active case. How's that for wishful thinking?
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nightwinn said:
Still waiting for USB OTG and MHL at same time. And while I'm thinking about it, I want it all in a dock compatible with my seidio active case. How's that for wishful thinking?
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I don't see why you would feel the need to ridicule me for bringing up this thread. it's not wishful thinking, seeing as even the wikipedia entry on MHL clearly states it should be possible. There is also a blog entry on the exact same topic and even the movement to boycott samsung accessories have stopped because of this: http://www.galaxymhl.com/
I don't really understand why people aren't looking into this more.

I'm not ridiculing you. I want the same thing. What I said was my legitimate wish list. I haven't bought the mhl adapter because I'm holding out for an all in one solution. I'm still waiting on Samsung to give us a product that does mhl and otg simultaneously.

nightwinn said:
I'm not ridiculing you. I want the same thing. What I said was my legitimate wish list. I haven't bought the mhl adapter because I'm holding out for an all in one solution. I'm still waiting on Samsung to give us a product that does mhl and otg simultaneously.
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I'm sorry, i must have gotten that wrong. I find it very confusing Samsung do no release enough information on this in order to make it work. Neither the phone documentation, nor the official 11-Pin HDTV Adapter manual mention this in any way.

I'm waiting also for a dock with MHL+USB OTG at the same time by Samsung, I dont understand why the official MHL adapter does not support this already but I've been searching and I have not found yet any example of both working together. It clearly seems that the MHL 11 pins cable we can buy right now does not support this since nobody has tested it succesfully but what I don't know is if that is related to Hardware or it also has something to do with software. I read a couple of weeks ago that Google was thinking about using the phone as a PC via docking, I think the idea comes from Motorola? So maybe the availability of both connections at the same time is also related with android, who knows, maybe in JB it will be possible...Has somebody tested MHL+USB OTG in JB with the official adapter?

Tularis said:
I'm waiting also for a dock with MHL+USB OTG at the same time by Samsung, I dont understand why the official MHL adapter does not support this already but I've been searching and I have not found yet any example of both working together. It clearly seems that the MHL 11 pins cable we can buy right now does not support this since nobody has tested it succesfully but what I don't know is if that is related to Hardware or it also has something to do with software. I read a couple of weeks ago that Google was thinking about using the phone as a PC via docking, I think the idea comes from Motorola? So maybe the availability of both connections at the same time is also related with android, who knows, maybe in JB it will be possible...Has somebody tested MHL+USB OTG in JB with the official adapter?
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As soon as i get home, i will try flashing this rom: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1695562
It comes with the latest stock kernel and appearently won't boot with anything else so Samsung must have made some changes to it. In a few hours time I'll be back with information on how that worked out.

I can confirm it NOT working on Jelly Bean. The MHL adapter does provide video HDMI output, but only as long as it is plugged into an external power source. When connecting an OTG usb cable, there is no reaction at all. There has to be some way of getting the phone to power the HDMI adapter. Do any of you folks have a good link to a kernel dev who can have a look into this? There has to be a MHL modul for the USB driver. Ghokanmoral probably has more insight into this...
Summary: USB OTG and MHL work fine separately, but not simultanously on JB using a standard genuine Samsung EPL-3FHUBEGSTD adaptor.

dennisfisch said:
I can confirm it NOT working on Jelly Bean. The MHL adapter does provide video HDMI output, but only as long as it is plugged into an external power source. When connecting an OTG usb cable, there is no reaction at all. There has to be some way of getting the phone to power the HDMI adapter. Do any of you folks have a good link to a kernel dev who can have a look into this? There has to be a MHL modul for the USB driver. Ghokanmoral probably has more insight into this...
Summary: USB OTG and MHL work fine separately, but not simultanously on JB using a standard genuine Samsung EPL-3FHUBEGSTD adaptor.
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Thank you for trying, well I dont know what to think now...very bad samsung fot not giving information about it...
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I have already contacted Ghokanmoral on this and am hoping to gain new insight into this as he is a very active kernel dev.
I'm also crosslinking another thread on this subject: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=30469240

The final result of this is that USB OTG work with the Samsung dock, but not otherwise...and that is why they changed the pins to 11. For the dock to allow for OTG at the same time as HDMI out. Does everyone agree?

ZenInsight said:
The final result of this is that USB OTG work with the Samsung dock, but not otherwise...and that is why they changed the pins to 11. For the dock to allow for OTG at the same time as HDMI out. Does everyone agree?
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I don't really know how this is accomplished with the dock, but if it works with the dock, I have to think that the same technique could be used to make it work with other adapters, too. If it's a matter of putting a voltage or a resistance across two pins, that would not be a big deal to do.

It was figured out in the thread that this was split off of.
we already found the resistor value to do it, the wiring.. everything.

Anyone try...
Anyone try a usb Y cable which will inject power over a USB and still allow for a separate device to be attached? I would post a link but i'm noob here. You can find it as "UTStarcom USB Adapter Y Cable"

The HDMI part of the split HAS to be powered...but the USB OTG does not. So...if there was such thing as an 11 pin micro usb Y splitter, then the OTG side would work while the powered MHL adapter was on. Essentially this is what the dock does.
Is it possible to create an 11 pin Y splitter? Someone needs to get one of those docks and tear it apart to see how the leads are split...lol

ZenInsight said:
The HDMI part of the split HAS to be powered...but the USB OTG does not. So...if there was such thing as an 11 pin micro usb Y splitter, then the OTG side would work while the powered MHL adapter was on. Essentially this is what the dock does.
Is it possible to create an 11 pin Y splitter? Someone needs to get one of those docks and tear it apart to see how the leads are split...lol
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You can also power the dock with a laptop dock from motorola: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33825819

scarrmrcc said:
It was figured out in the thread that this was split off of.
we already found the resistor value to do it, the wiring.. everything.
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Can we have a link?

surferpr said:
Can we have a link?
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I think it's this one (at least the potential resistor values are on page 3 or 4)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1811435
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hi guys. i was able to make usb otg and mhl work together just like smart dock.
full description is here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2142357

what the heck is slim port hdmi?

it is listed underneath nexus4 spec....
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=nexus_4_16gb

Same question, just noticed it too.

@rbiter said:
it is listed underneath nexus4 spec....
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I'm wondering this too. Is it a new name for MHL through the micro USB port or something? I've been through pictures of the Nexus 4 and I don't see any other ports.

slimport
look up analogix slimport. Can't post link since I am a new member
product page

Technology behind SlipPort looks good and promising. Besides it means new type of connector, I like and welcome it.
Read more:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/10/analogix-slim-port-technology-lets-you-connect-your-phone-to-you/
Whitepaper PDF
http://www.analogix.com/pdf/slimport_paper.pdf

Great Scott. I gotta buy another adapter. I just feel like I got appled.
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@rbiter said:
Great Scott. I gotta buy another adapter. I just feel like I got appled.
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No this is an adapter you would buy to ADD functionality that you didn't already have Not quite the same thing...
I like it.

Odd that the Google site says the Nexus 4 uses "SlimPort" technology for HDMI out while the LG Optimus G (on which the Nexus 4 is based) uses a normal USB MHL connector. Seems like an odd thing to switch?
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_optimus_g_e973-4941.php
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Technology behind SlipPort looks good and promising. Besides it means new type of connector, I like and welcome it.
Read more:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/10/analogix-slim-port-technology-lets-you-connect-your-phone-to-you/
Whitepaper PDF
http://www.analogix.com/pdf/slimport_paper.pdf
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doug2311 said:
Odd that the Google site says the Nexus 4 uses "SlimPort" technology for HDMI out while the LG Optimus G (on which the Nexus 4 is based) uses a normal USB MHL connector. Seems like an odd thing to switch?
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_optimus_g_e973-4941.php
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More info here
I guess the advantage is you can still use the USB port to sync etc while hooked up to your HDTV. If the nexus 4 supports usb host (Stick mount on the GN) then maybe you could play movies off a usb drive onto your HDTV using your N4!

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More info here
I guess the advantage is you can still use the USB port to sync etc while hooked up to your HDTV. If the nexus 4 supports usb host (Stick mount on the GN) then maybe you could play movies off a usb drive onto your HDTV using your N4!
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Unless there're two microUSB ports on the Nexus 4, I don't see how you can use that port while it is occupied by this SlimPort. The SlimPort adapter does not look like it has a secondary port on it for USB OTG as well
Only way mirroring and USB OTG can work simultaneously is via Miracast?.

djfoo000 said:
Unless there're two microUSB ports on the Nexus 4, I don't see how you can use that port while it is occupied by this SlimPort. The SlimPort adapter does not look like it has a secondary port on it for USB OTG as well
Only way mirroring and USB OTG can work simultaneously is via Miracast?.
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I think it is possible to connect a USB device the same time
The picture on amazon US ( can't post link .. grrr) seems to have an additional usb slot !
That is very nice but darn it, the adapter is available only on amazon us ! nowhere else

ragwhos said:
I think it is possible to connect a USB device the same time
The picture on amazon US ( can't post link .. grrr) seems to have an additional usb slot !
That is very nice but darn it, the adapter is available only on amazon us ! nowhere else
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The nexus 4 only has one slot and it works for both.
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This is the first I am reading of SlimPort as well, but it has a couple advantages over MHL from what I can see
- It does not require external power. This was always a PITA with MHL cables, you had to "power" them from another USB port, usually on your TV. With SlimPort it is just a straight-through cable since it needs no extra power. Much more elegant.
- It can not only output HDMI but also DisplayPort and possibly other formats. Not a HUGE use per-se, but there are some monitors that only have DisplayPort nowadays.
All in all, SlimPort seems to be better than MHL... although I too feel a bit "Appled" by having to buy another cable..

Amazon sells the adapter, and it looks to have a microUSB port on it: amazon.com/gp/product/B009UZBLSG
Also, their informational site for SlimPort: slimportconnect.com

slimport to hdmi converter
ragwhos said:
I think it is possible to connect a USB device the same time
The picture on amazon US ( can't post link .. grrr) seems to have an additional usb slot !
That is very nice but darn it, the adapter is available only on amazon us ! nowhere else
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additional usb slot only used for charge，I have tested that。

so can the galaxy nexus use this as well?
Wonder how long till theres a bunch of $1 versions of these on ebay...

No.................................................

No USB Host and display out at the same time
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No.................................................
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The Analogix PDF describing the Slimport chip in the Nexus 4 explicitly states that the USB data and Slimport Video out are mutually exclusive. One or the other, much to my dismay. It DOES support charging, as stated in plenty of documentation. It also supports display out without power. This is something that in my experience (Galaxy Note & MHL) that MHL does not allow.

so anybody got the slimport working? or USB OTG? or miracast?

afbcom said:
The Analogix PDF describing the Slimport chip in the Nexus 4 explicitly states that the USB data and Slimport Video out are mutually exclusive. One or the other, much to my dismay. It DOES support charging, as stated in plenty of documentation. It also supports display out without power. This is something that in my experience (Galaxy Note & MHL) that MHL does not allow.
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What's with all this explanation?
Read carefully, i'm talking about the Galaxy Nexus, you sure the Gnex even have a slimport chip?