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The Windows Mobile 6.5 Developer Tool Kit adds documentation, sample code, header and library files, emulator images and tools to Visual Studio that let you build applications for Windows Mobile 6.5. This document contains important information about this package. For general information about writing software for Windows Mobile, please see the Windows Mobile Developer Center. The Windows Mobile 6 SDK must also be installed in order to use any of the Windows Mobile 6.5 Gesture API or samples. Windows Mobile 6.5 Developer Tool Kit comes with the following Emulator Images:
Windows Mobile 6.5 Professional Square Emulator
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Windows Mobile 6.5 Professional VGA Emulator
Windows Mobile 6.5 Professional WVGA Emulator
Windows Mobile 6.5 Standard Square Emulator
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A new set of APIs is being introduced that will enable application developers to take advantage of the new Windows Mobile 6.5 touch gesture framework. The gesture APIs allow an application to handle touch gesture input and provide a visually consistent experience with the rest of the device UI. Note that the gesture APIs are only available on the Windows Mobile Classic and Professional SKUs. The headers and libraries are installed in the Windows Mobile SDK\Pocket PC\ folder. Samples that make use of these APIs are installed into the Windows Mobile 6.5 Developer Tool Kit\Samples\ folder.
grab it here:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...FamilyID=20686a1d-97a8-4f80-bc6a-ae010e085a6e
some wm6.5 standard screenshots by me:
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Thanks for the info!
Pics you mention are not available

the standard device didn't get honeycomb

I wouldn't have thought there would be enough space on the screen for Honeycomb to work effectively, maybe on a landscape screen like the Excalibur but not on portrait orientated smartphones? I might be wrong but just my first impression.
Would be great to see those pics, please fix them OP!

chelsea_fc said:
the standard device didn't get honeycomb
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Thanks God is not included!
It´s so ugly...

orb3000 said:
Thanks God is not included!
It´s so ugly...
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i thinks it looks nice...on pro devices. seems like it would be a pain in the arse on standard.

Check out this review:
Windows Mobile 6.5 Standard Review

im sorry for posting twice in a row, but i just downloaded and installed this and i gotta say i dont see much of a difference. i was expecting to see a titanium looking home screen and it just looks like sliding panles to me, even checked in the settings

You didn't post twice in a row?

skaroger867 said:
im sorry for posting twice in a row, but i just downloaded and installed this and i gotta say i dont see much of a difference. i was expecting to see a titanium looking home screen and it just looks like sliding panles to me, even checked in the settings
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Yes it looks like M$ has really stepped it up a gear for WMStandard users
Years of planiing must have gone into it lol

stylez said:
Yes it looks like M$ has really stepped it up a gear for WMStandard users
Years of planiing must have gone into it lol
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You're not kidding, it's impressive the amount of work that went into this upgrade , they must've had a hell of a team working on this.
Seriously! How much of an upgrade this is , really! I got to say that I'm quite dissapointed with MS. There shouldn't be any reason why they can't make it look and feel like a mayor upgrade, make it look like the real wm6.5 pro for ppc. That's the way it should be.
I wish there was a way to make the WM6.5 Pro ppc version work with our phones.

I guess well have to wait for WM7 then. It just looks like and official MS version of 6.1.

Well although it doesn't have a big visual upgrade, there might be huge optimizations that could give a huge speed bonus, and it might be lighter on RAM.
But if you think about it, most software that has different versions don't have a big change until the next full integer (v2 to v3 for example)
6.1 was a big visual upgrade over 6.0, so maybe 6.5 standard has a big performance upgrade instead.

phuKKah said:
Well although it doesn't have a big visual upgrade, there might be huge optimizations that could give a huge speed bonus, and it might be lighter on RAM.
But if you think about it, most software that has different versions don't have a big change until the next full integer (v2 to v3 for example)
6.1 was a big visual upgrade over 6.0, so maybe 6.5 standard has a big performance upgrade instead.
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What like Vista did over XP P.M.S.L
It's just that we are still on about M$? Not like we get .1 .2 .3 so would be good to see something more like WM6.5 interface for SP would't have been that hard....
Lets just hope more refined?
Anything is possible in the world of Windows....

i didnt notice someone sneak a post in between my two lol. performance upgrade would be nice but id put money on it taking more rom.

stylez said:
Yes it looks like M$ has really stepped it up a gear for WMStandard users
Years of planiing must have gone into it lol
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I love your roms.... i cannot wait for what you cook up next!

stylez said:
Yes it looks like M$ has really stepped it up a gear for WMStandard users
Years of planiing must have gone into it lol
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Yea, its pretty plain for now. The emulator image is also missing most of the OEM Packages. I'm working on duming the XIP (21234 Standard) out of it now but it's not cooperating. Anyone ever dumped an XIP out of an emulator?

ookba said:
Yea, its pretty plain for now. The emulator image is also missing most of the OEM Packages. I'm working on duming the XIP (21234 Standard) out of it now but it's not cooperating. Anyone ever dumped an XIP out of an emulator?
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Not missing. They're not supposed to be there. OEM packages are just that.. OEM.... Not MSFT In our case the "OEM" is HTC... So of course you're not going to see them in a MS release

phatmanxxl said:
I guess well have to wait for WM7 then. It just looks like and official MS version of 6.1.
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I seriously doubt WM7 will run on the Excalibur

NRGZ28 said:
I seriously doubt WM7 will run on the Excalibur
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Even if it does get WM7 on it, it would run so badly that it wouldn't even be worth it. I'm pretty sure that WM7 is going to be optimized for touch screen enabled devices anyways, so the interface would suck, kinda like the interface of Android on the Excalibur.

iPhone 4.0 will have multitasking? WP7, you better have that as well

Just came:
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...software_to_deliver_multitasking_support.html
Still not sure though ... but quite interesting.
If that is true, WP7 better to have it as well!

It's already been hinted that WP7S has multitasking. When you click back on the phone it's goes back to the last application or menu you were using.
Let's say you open Pictures, then you Open the Web Browser. If you click the back button then it will go back to pictures.

Yes, I know that, WP7 will have some sort of multitasking capability.
I just want to post news from other platform competitor (iPhone) so we can see that they are working on something ...
This year would be interesting on mobile world (WP7, iPhone 4, iPad?, HP Slate?).
krjcook said:
It's already been hinted that WP7S has multitasking. When you click back on the phone it's goes back to the last application or menu you were using.
Let's say you open Pictures, then you Open the Web Browser. If you click the back button then it will go back to pictures.
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Speaking of Tables, did you know that LG is supposedly making a WP7S tablet. I don't really care about that, but there are leaked videos of MS Courier which is the hottest thing I've ever seen. Also MS has some touch based OS called MS Locus. It's seens to be Webos, Android, and Iphone OS combined. Here's a pic
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More Info Here: http://www.istartedsomething.com/20100208/location-based-operating-system-concept-locus-os/

krjcook said:
When you click back on the phone it's goes back to the last application or menu you were using.
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That's NOT multitasking

seed_al said:
That's NOT multitasking
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Please explain to me what multitasking is. It's a mobile device, what are you expecting multiple windows like you for A Full Blown Desktop OS? You can only view one app at a time. What kind of multitasking do you want? When you switch to another app, the app you were previously using pauses. If it was a IM, Web Browsing, Email or any other web based App it will continue to send information. It's the same if not similar multitasking that you see in Android.

Multitasking means that applications are actually running in the background.
On WP7S, they just save their sate and close or pause. That means they're not running = no multitasking.
(I might be wrong and maybe they are actually running, but everything currently hints that this is not the case and there's indeed no multitasking).
On Android, applications keep running. They just save their sate in case something goes wrong and they have to be closed (e.g. if the device runs out of RAM).

Yes, but is that a big difference? What does keeping an App open in the background benefit your anyway as long as it's readily available? It's not like that app is completely closes, it's just pauses to reduce it's footprint. When you go back it's immdiately available without any loading. Not like you see on the other fruity platform.

multi-tasking might not be really important from a normal user view---> i might be wrong....
however on a enterprise point of view, it is important. running ipblue at the background waiting for call or using office communicator at the background while checking out the email.

This has been discussed ad nauseum already. In many cases you need the application to actually run in background. MS and Apple do it for their own apps such as the music player. The whole question is whether we'll be able to use third-party apps that need it as well.

vangrieg said:
This has been discussed ad nauseum already. In many cases you need the application to actually run in background. MS and Apple do it for their own apps such as the music player. The whole question is whether we'll be able to use third-party apps that need it as well.
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true, believe in the near future, we will have more prominent answer.

This: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0rd3TD9g_Y
+ WP7 design and MS services
= perfect
(notice how elegantly it multitasks and how it also has tiles? It just looks ugly)

That's probably the only OS that actually has that type of multitasking besides the Pre.

krjcook said:
That's probably the only OS that actually has that type of multitasking besides the Pre.
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WM also has it if you install Task Facade. Android kinda has it (shows you a list of apps when you long press the home button).

you can discuss forever it won't change anything. wait for the OS and see for yourselves.

freyberry said:
Android kinda has it (shows you a list of apps when you long press the home button).
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That just shows your 6 recently launched apps, not nessecarily running though.

who gives a **** about the iphone ??? if uve handled a snapdragon phone , and after u get an iphone in ur hand , ur wipe ur ass with it and its ugly low res screen
its history , stop riding it

WP7 will be king
Iam very confident in windows phone7 and its ability to handle Xbox games and tasks. So confident that for WVGA devices like touchpro2 I made a demo of what it would be like and I put it here.

My best guess is that WP7 still uses windows CE as its code base and inherits multitasking support. Seems like multitasking is not a big deal though as WP7 moves away from the multiple application concept.

Although we have heard rumors that WP7S will have preemptive multitasking, if you think about it, the live tiles really defeat the purpose of multitasking.
Say you have a (multi-platform) twitter app.
In Android, you can leave this open and come back to it anytime and it will be up-to-date, but you don't receive any notification.
When using live tiles in WP7S, you can run your twitter app and then switch over to another app, and, although your twitter app will close, while your doing other things your app's live tile can be checking for updates periodically and even display the most recent tweet directed towards you on the homesreen. That way, when you go back to the homesreen, you can see that there's a new tweet, and launch the now-updated app.

desktop Windows given fashion makeover with Phone 7 Series flair

Omnimo: desktop Windows given fashion makeover with Phone 7 Series flair
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Can't wait for Windows Phone 7 Series, but can't hack the emulator, either? Don't lose hope, Windows junkies -- you can still bring some semblance of WP7S order into your life with this Metro UI-inspired desktop HUD. Based on the open-source desktop customization platform Rainmeter, the "Omnimo UI" will overlay your desktop with a minimalist, tiled interface not unlike the one you've been drooling over for weeks, with live hooks into many useful services (including Gmail, iTunes, Steam, Twitter and SpeedFan) as well as the usual widgets and a host of program shortcuts. The best news of all? It's available now for all versions of Windows since XP, completely free of charge; simply follow the source links or flit over to Lifehacker, where good folks will teach you how it's done.
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How-To Make Your Windows 7 Desktop Look Just Like Windows 7 Phone with Rainmeter​
If you haven’t heard of Rainmeter, it’s a popular freeware that enables some of the rich customization on your Windows desktop.
This is the tool that can push the desktop customization to the maximum. If you are really interested, be sure to check out their documentation first, as they have a nice explanation on what the whole product is about, and beginner guide for you to get started.
Yes, you can use Rainmeter to create your very own customized Windows Desktop.
Some basic customizations you can do with Rainmeter are
•add different skins;
•perfectly styled widgets, e.g. CPU, RAM, Network monitor, one click music player, RSS feeds, etc. on your desktop.
Although, it may sounds very much the same as the default Windows gadgets and sidebar, there are a fundamental differences:
1.You can use Rainmeter on Windows XP, as well as on Vista and 7.
2.You can have a totally different look for the widgets on every theme.
3.You can create your own widgets/themes/skins.
This is what the finished desktop looks like. Lets begin customizing your Windows 7 desktop and make it looks and feels like the Windows 7 Phone running on your desktop.
First, download and install the Rainmeter, be sure to download the right version if you are running on a 64-bit edition.
Next, download the additional Omnimo UI. This is the skin for Windows 7 Phone which you need to have to make it look like the picture above.
Run the Rainmeter first before doing anything, which creates the default directory for skins, themes, and backup. Do not run the Omnimo UI if you have never run Rainmeter before.
Now, exit the Rainmeter and launch the Omnimo UI Rainstaller.
Choose Express Install if you don’t want to change any default directory settings.
Once you’ve done this, you should now see Rainmeter launch with the newly added Theme called Omnimo UI. And this is exactly what you see on the first screen shoot.
You can now customize, to show which widgets, feed URL, clocks, weather, etc. you would like to have on the desktop.
Finally, enjoy your Windows 7 Phone theme on your Windows 7 Desktop
for download direct links:
Download Rainmeter from googlecode
Installer Version Rainmeter 1.1 - (32bit) - (64bit)
Download Omnimo UI here

Using it on my laptop at uni, looks pretty cool esp with the supplied bridge wallpaper

Do any of you know how to change the icons in the program menu of Omnimo?

Theres a folder asocciated with that panel, if you open it up you'll find a bunch of icons you can use, but theres not many

its awsome looking ,but I have noticed it drains the battery on my laptop .. not worth to be kept for me .
thanks

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Desire and WM ?

it could be installed on windowsmobile to Desire?

would you build a vw golf 3 engine in a rocketship ?

Sorry, but that would make as much sense as this picture does:
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come on been there wm sucks compared to android had it for 6 years but never wanted to go back from android lol

ok, so please Recommend software like space time for Android

Hah well
or how about a fluid video player on android, there are disadvantages to android... i've come to a few in just my 2nd day of use. Besides that, I love it. My ancient 8125 plays that video just fine, no bugs, stops, glitches, freezing like my desire does. Not really a big deal as it's not a video player for me, but like stated some apps will have to be rewritten for droid. Hopefully they're not the most used. WP7 will be a big contender I believe, M$ has the funds and ready to compete. We shall see. They will surely be getting the new qualcomm dualcore lineup i'm betting.

WRONG forum section...

thrust me, you dont wanna do that

cTrox said:
Sorry, but that would make as much sense as this picture does:
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LOL!!! good humor

BA_Flash_GOD said:
or how about a fluid video player on android, there are disadvantages to android... i've come to a few in just my 2nd day of use. Besides that, I love it. My ancient 8125 plays that video just fine, no bugs, stops, glitches, freezing like my desire does. Not really a big deal as it's not a video player for me, but like stated some apps will have to be rewritten for droid. Hopefully they're not the most used. WP7 will be a big contender I believe, M$ has the funds and ready to compete. We shall see. They will surely be getting the new qualcomm dualcore lineup i'm betting.
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I've got Sopranos and pacific on my desire and they play sweet as.
OP : if you want a snapdragon with WM why not a HD2?

HD2 I had borrowed for a month and they appear to me too much, with one hand can not be used

I think you should have this thread moved to Themes and Apps and search for replacements for WinMo, because I don't see a port happening in the near future.
On the other hand, I agree that android -even if it's quite modern and overall better than WinMo 6.5.3- is very immature in many ways and lacks some polished apps:
- email client
- exchange
- contact managing
- extensive weather application such as weatherpanel
- a good imdb client
- a reliable bt/wifi remote - most don't work on bt and even gmote has lots of problems on some platforms
- some other work related applications

andycted said:
- a good imdb client
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Really? That's a requirement for a good smartphone OS?

cedeel said:
Really? That's a requirement for a good smartphone OS?
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well, I haven't said that, my point is that being winmo a lot older than android, you miss some applications which where developed over a long time and which probably will come to android, but aren't still there. The Imdb example is just to point out that even if you have 50000 apps there are some which are missing (and Imdb doesn't want official applications).
In fact if you read my post I have stressed that you should move this to themes and apps because there are some applications which are missing, not because the OS isn't good.
At the same time the email client, contact management (picture syncing issues etc) all point to the fact that android is midway between business/consumer and that it's still a bit in the working, which is completely normal.
But this is going offtopic. I just think that there is probably no way that WinMo (6 ? 7 ?) will be ported to a similar android device. And I'm of the opinion that you should just try to replace what you miss with some of the apps you find in the market.

You can keep Windows mobile away from my desire!
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dbase-uk said:
I've got Sopranos and pacific on my desire and they play sweet as.
OP : if you want a snapdragon with WM why not a HD2?
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I never said I wanted windows mobile anymore Sir, or I wouldn't have bought a desire hah. I said I enjoyed it besides the video player, you really don't have to defend the OS or device, I like it. I just would like a fluid video player that can play all my files standard fast with no freezing or stuttering. Any recommendations from the marketplace?
Did you convert to some another format with lower quality as well right? The 4 i've players used so far either don't recognize or will play with stuttering, ones i've used so far wouldn't even play my standard entourage rips, which aren't very high quality as is.

BA_Flash_GOD said:
I never said I wanted windows mobile anymore Sir, or I wouldn't have bought a desire hah. I said I enjoyed it besides the video player, you really don't have to defend the OS or device, I like it. I just would like a fluid video player that can play all my files standard fast with no freezing or stuttering. Any recommendations from the marketplace?
Did you convert to some another format with lower quality as well right? The 4 i've players used so far either don't recognize or will play with stuttering, ones i've used so far wouldn't even play my standard entourage rips, which aren't very high quality as is.
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Pretty much anything but the stock player is quite poor at the moment. If someone could extract the Samsung one that would be brilliant.

abc27 said:
Pretty much anything but the stock player is quite poor at the moment. If someone could extract the Samsung one that would be brilliant.
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There's nothing generally wrong with any of the 3rd party players so long as they stick to natively supported codecs. In the case of video, this is really just H264 (see here).
I rather suspect that the DivX support in Samsung and LG phones rely on an actual native application and/or libraries rather than an interpreted java application.
Regards,
Dave

cjensen25 said:
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i have a HD2 just ordered a desire today best of both worlds

[Q] File transfer between galaxy nexus and windows ? mac? linux?

Hello everybody
Wich tool for transfer data are you using for Windows?
For Mac? => http://www.android.com/filetransfer/
For Linux?
Thanks in advance!

On Windows I just used explorer to copy all my music & photos to my GN

Jleagle said:
On Windows I just used explorer to copy all my music & photos to my GN
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Can you upload an screenshot?

Here you go
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I am interested in finding a solution for linux, in special KDE.
At the moment i am using AirDroid over WiFi to transfer files. It also can send sms, emails and many more.

myxor said:
I am interested in finding a solution for linux, in special KDE.
At the moment i am using AirDroid over WiFi to transfer files. It also can send sms, emails and many more.
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Have you seen this post?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19958806&postcount=47
Try reading that whole topic, a lot of information there. I dont think there's an easy way though, a bit over my basic linux skills

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Here you go
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Thanks!
I cannot do that in windows xp

flakz0r said:
Have you seen this post?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19958806&postcount=47
Try reading that whole topic, a lot of information there. I dont think there's an easy way though, a bit over my basic linux skills
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Thank you. I think i do have basic linux skills and will take a look at this thread

On Ubuntu I used it's multiple screen function. You can scroll with ATL+CTRL+arrows. So I opened explorer in one screen to see content of my phone and on the other screen opened folder I want to copy. Fast and easy.
W7: It has a great embedded explorer as shown on the pics above no need for additional software imho

ortigosano said:
Thanks!
I cannot do that in windows xp
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I've read people saying you can if you have at least Windows Media Player 10 installed, dont know if it's true though. Make sure you have all the latest updates.
I do recommend you upgrade for Windows 7.

flakz0r said:
I've read people saying you can if you have at least Windows Media Player 10 installed, dont know if it's true though. Make sure you have all the latest updates.
I do recommend you upgrade for Windows 7.
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Thanks for your recommendation, but for the moment its not possible.
I'm still searching a solution for windows xp...
any ideas?

okishead said:
On Ubuntu I used it's multiple screen function. You can scroll with ATL+CTRL+arrows. So I opened explorer in one screen to see content of my phone and on the other screen opened folder I want to copy. Fast and easy.
W7: It has a great embedded explorer as shown on the pics above no need for additional software imho
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Can you give us more details about how did you got it with ubuntu?
thanks in advance!

I've made a little search on Google and it seems you just have to install the mtpfs package to make it work (sudo apt-get install mtpfs).

drauguenar said:
I've made a little search on Google and it seems you just have to install the mtpfs package to make it work (sudo apt-get install mtpfs).
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Nothing on Win xp
windows 7 no problem
mac osx no problem with file transfer
ubuntu, mint, and so on... not so easy!!

No xp users?

For Mac I use android file transfer.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium

I don't know if I'm too late to be of any use but PTP works out the box on Ubuntu.
Edit: I lied, that is rather primitive. Back to 'adb' for now.

ortigosano said:
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I cannot do that in windows xp
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It worked for me using Windows XP.
The first time it did not work for me and I looked around and found some people thought their stock cable was the problem. I thought I'd have to go buy a new one, no biggie.
Today I opted to charge my phone while working and lo and behold I had success! I copied files back and forth, no problem. Same cable, same computer.
Try again?
There was no real difference between the two attempts. The first time I opened up 'Internal Storage' it was blank, any drag and drop was met with the invalid cursor. I refreshed, nothing. The next day, after the laptop was asleep, no problems.

There's an old app called XNJB for Mac OS X
I found an app today via Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol
Its called XNJB - it's amazing that it actually works (kind of), considering it was made for MP3 players years ago...
I'm going to keep looking at it- but already it has more (native) flexibility than that of Android File Transfer - keep in mind that that flexibility doesn't actually work (yet).
I can't believe that Android File Transfer is all they gave to Mac Users OTB - it's such crap, reminds me of the various Blackberry tools back in 2004.

What about FTP?
If you have Wi-Fi at home you can use the free, open source app File Expert.
It's a really great file explorer for android and has an option to turn your phone into an ftp server. If you're on Linux you can use filezilla or whatever to log into your phone and transfer files. I'm on windows and find the wireless transfer to be much more convenient than using a cable. Transfer speeds are great too.