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Im not a developer but, isnt all thats needed to make an aosp rom was the kernal source which we now have. yea i know there are some roms on the horizon but im just surprised we havnt seen a true aosp yet.
Or am i missing a peice of the bigger picture.
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Im not a developer but, isnt all thats needed to make an aosp rom was the kernal source which we now have. yea i know there are some roms on the horizon but im just surprised we havnt seen a true aosp yet.
Or am i missing a peice of the bigger picture.
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youre missing a piece of the bigger picture. roms have to be developed and tested. source doesn't mean the rom is already ready to go for every single phone. you have to build the rom from source, this is not something that is done instantly, the same reason you have to wait for htc and sprint to release roms.
Wrong forum.
I dont understand how this is in the wrong forum...its a developement question. Why dont you contribute something helpful instead of trying to be a moderator by proxy. You know like directing me to the proper forum?
anyway
no i understand that portion of that. but I thought that it was easier to build the aosp roms then those with sense crap...when we got hero source there were aosp roms the next day.
Reason why I ask is because I am looking into cooking my own rom...and was basically wondering. as it sits now.is everything availaible to us to make a true aosp rom.
or are we still waiting on some htc bs.
surprisingly, i haven't been too impatient for an AOSP rom. The only reason i want one is for minimum bloatware and Wiimote gaming. And ofcourse, overall performance.
The ROMs that are out right now aren't too shabby, helping me cope with the delays for AOSP
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how so? This is an android development question.
it's the wrong forum BECAUSE it's a question. development forum is for posting up radios, ROMs, kernels, and dinking around solutions. it is not for question threads
Cyanogen's rom will be a true AOSP rom. It should (hopefully) be coming out soon.
i'm also looking forward to the aosp rom. i'm willing to sacrifice some of the htc specific stuff like hdmi out.
wasn't darchstar donated an evo so he could get this working?
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it's the wrong forum BECAUSE it's a question. development forum is for posting up radios, ROMs, kernels, and dinking around solutions. it is not for question threads
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I guess im not the only user that thinks this is in correct because in the first page there is at least 2 posts that are in par with my type of "question" posts as you put it
and ive counted at least seven more.
So im pretty sure this actually is the "right" forum and if its not im sure a mod will move it.
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it's the wrong forum BECAUSE it's a question. development forum is for posting up radios, ROMs, kernels, and dinking around solutions. it is not for question threads
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This is correct +1 and as far the OP question goes, it looks like Cyanogen Mod 6 will be the first true AOSP.
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it's the wrong forum BECAUSE it's a question. development forum is for posting up radios, ROMs, kernels, and dinking around solutions. it is not for question threads
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I think you need to rephrase your words and not say "wrong forum", certainly it is not the wrong forum, but the wrong section. I believe this question belongs to the General section.
Here is a link of an AOSP ROM everyone here is expecting soon.
Nexus One Cyanogen Mod ROM Overview!
i know his rom is comming out. I was more inclined of asking why there hasnt been one yet. i got that question answered
but my second question (which wasnt answered) was
do we have everything we need or are we waiting on some htc nonsense because im looking at cookin my own rom
Thread moved to Q&A.
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i know his rom is comming out. I was more inclined of asking why there hasnt been one yet. i got that question answered
but my second question (which wasnt answered) was
do we have everything we need or are we waiting on some htc nonsense because im looking at cookin my own rom
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We have everything we need. However it takes some pretty impressive coding to make everything work. Dual cameras and WiMax are new to everyone. This is the only Android phone that has them, especially WiMax. The fact that Cyan got the cams working just proves his coding prowess.
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Sweet, my guess was that this belonged here, I reserved comments because I don't want to pretend like I'd be a good mod
Anywho, I am people other that myself are asking this question, I guess there are a ton of us eagerly awaiting an AOSP rom.
Here is my take on this:
The stock Android Source code does not have access to some of the hardware on the phone. Yes we haver kernel source, however, the stock Android software for 2.1 doesnt have:
1. Two Cameras
2. Wimax
3. HDMI
4. Kickstand notification?
You either have to run HTC's Sense or use a Froyo with some custom Android Apps (What Cyanogen is writing)
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We have everything we need. However it takes some pretty impressive coding to make everything work. Dual cameras and WiMax are new to everyone. This is the only Android phone that has them, especially WiMax. The fact that Cyan got the cams working just proves his coding prowess.
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I tested your rom for a short time...a good place for anyone interested in messing around with a basic AOSP rom.
zonyl said:
Here is my take on this:
The stock Android Source code does not have access to some of the hardware on the phone. Yes we haver kernel source, however, the stock Android software for 2.1 doesnt have:
1. Two Cameras
2. Wimax
3. HDMI
4. Kickstand notification?
You either have to run HTC's Sense or use a Froyo with some custom Android Apps (What Cyanogen is writing)
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Answers my question perfectly
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HI, Im probably the newest person to the android development forum but Im very intrigued and want to get into it. I don't want my first crack at it to be disappointing so I wanted to some of u more seasoned guys and gals opinions as to what would be the most stable and close to functional rom. I understand it really isn't a ROM but didn't know what else to call it. Help me out here im a noob!!!!!!
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HI, Im probably the newest person to the android development forum but Im very intrigued and want to get into it. I don't want my first crack at it to be disappointing so I wanted to some of u more seasoned guys and gals opinions as to what would be the most stable and close to functional rom. I understand it really isn't a ROM but didn't know what else to call it. Help me out here im a noob!!!!!!
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heres the best kept secret on learning about the android project.... its called the SEARCH FUNCTION. use it. use it flagrantly and without hesitation.
it is a newbi's best friend as well
You most likely won't get an answer here bro. First thing to do is what phone do you have? Go to androidspin.com or the unlockr to see video on how to root. Its pretty easy just follow instr. To the T. After you have root go to the most frequently asked section or the "read this before you start a thread" section and you can find all your answers there. Good luck. We were all noobs once
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Oh yeah, the most popular and stable rom out there is CM6
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heres the best kept secret on learning about the android project.... its called the SEARCH FUNCTION. use it. use it flagrantly and without hesitation.
it is a newbi's best friend as well
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"its called I asked for opinions not facts". I don't want just specs and features listed. I want to know what people think is the most stable and reliable because in the end we are the ones using it. I appreciate the response anyway.
I think people are forgetting what forums are for. To discuss. If u don't wanna talk about the topic don't post move on im sure u have better things to do. I believe there are more people like me who want to get into this android development but are scared to ask questions because they are shot down by know-it-alls. Feel free to post here I have plenty of questions and I know on xda u guys got plenty of answers.
gilnino said:
You most likely won't get an answer here bro. First thing to do is what phone do you have? Go to androidspin.com or the unlockr to see video on how to root. Its pretty easy just follow instr. To the T. After you have root go to the most frequently asked section or the "read this before you start a thread" section and you can find all your answers there. Good luck. We were all noobs once
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I have an ATT Tilt 2 running WM6.5
jett239 said:
I think people are forgetting what forums are for. To discuss. If u don't wanna talk about the topic don't post move on im sure u have better things to do. I believe there are more people like me who want to get into this android development but are scared to ask questions because they are shot down by know-it-alls. Feel free to post here I have plenty of questions and I know on xda u guys got plenty of answers.
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the thing is there are numerous posts about the same thing and they take up space. if you look around before asking a question, youll usually find your answer on a bunch of other posts.
so as you can see, there are numerous previous conversations about the same thing, it gets redundant. and "whats the best.." is a horrible question because they are open to user opinion. you actually have to either try them all or actually read the specs
Sorry but I'm not too familiar with wm 6.5. Android was however ported to the hd2 which runs 6.5 with cyanogen mod and I hear it runs virtually flawless. I would do a search for tilt 2 and I'm sure you will find what you're looking for.
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You should find what you're looking for on you tube. Or google android ported to tilt 2. Was just there and you should find it and decide which is best for you. Good luck and great decision to go android.
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Also please don't take offense. I did the same thing and was also told all my answers are here if I searched around. Again good luck and enjoy android
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Search xda for "android port to htc pro 2" its all there.
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Just go to the first post at the top of this forum [CAB] GSM&CDMA Project Android Port and Startup Utility [10/04] BATT UPDATES! and install the cab file that you will find in there. Install it to your "SD Card"
Its not perfect but it works well.
Give it a go, dont like it, uninstall it, simple.
Yeah, what you are looking for is on the first post of this forum.
Its not a fully working ROM, but boots from the SD card (Windows Mobile stays on the phone). Some things don't work (Bluetooth, camera, some other things), but lots of things do.
gilnino: no offense intended, and I know you are trying to be helpful. But you're confusing the issue by telling the OP to look elsewhere, telling him to root, comparing to the HD2, etc. All the answers are here (first post top of this forum), there is no such thing as root in Windows Mobile, and porting to the TP2 has been much more problematic (from what I understand - I'm not a developer) than on the HD2 due to the TP2's CPU and other factors.
hey
im new with this came from dell streak and htc hd2 and just need help with rooting and what
do i loose and what do i gain i heard the 8mp cam dont work and somebody give me a little run down please
Came works fine except on some experimental Desire roms. Look through the stickies in the Evo development section......everything you need is there.
wawa144st said:
hey
im new with this came from dell streak and htc hd2 and just need help with rooting and what do i loose and what do i gain i heard the 8mp cam dont work and somebody give me a little run down please
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Hey man! Welcome to Evo world and congratulations.
It looks like you know what rooting is so I won't go into that. Everyone gets something different out of rooting their Evos--some get headaches. I got a faster phone, better battery life and the option to try a bunch of ROMs and learning a little about kernel mods--all good stuff. Some ROMs stick with Sense UI, some leave it completely and use AOSP, that will depend on your taste.
This page gives a great rundown of almost everything you need to root, ROM an kernel mod your new Evo. Definately go through the stickies though, that's really good advice and when you try a ROM, make sure you read the OP's ROM anouncement carefully.
Remember that you when you root your phone, you're on your own--seriously. No tech support, no calling the carrier so make sure that this is really what you want to do.
I'm using Calkulin's EViO ROM and the camera works perfectly. You'll have to read the ROM's threads to find out what the ROM's shortcomings and benefits are. I used CyanogenMod 6 and the camera's not so good in that one but they know that.
Also:
HTC Supersonic/Guides & Tutorials
Good luck
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Hey man! Welcome to Evo world and congratulations.
It looks like you know what rooting is so I won't go into that. Everyone gets something different out of rooting their Evos--some get headaches. I got a faster phone, better battery life and the option to try a bunch of ROMs and learning a little about kernel mods--all good stuff. Some ROMs stick with Sense UI, some leave it completely and use AOSP, that will depend on your taste.
This page gives a great rundown of almost everything you need to root, ROM an kernel mod your new Evo. Definately go through the stickies though, that's really good advice and when you try a ROM, make sure you read the OP's ROM anouncement carefully.
Remember that you when you root your phone, you're on your own--seriously. No tech support, no calling the carrier so make sure that this is really what you want to do.
I'm using Calkulin's EViO ROM and the camera works perfectly. You'll have to read the ROM's threads to find out what the ROM's shortcomings and benefits are. I used CyanogenMod 6 and the camera's not so good in that one but they know that.
Also:
HTC Supersonic/Guides & Tutorials
Good luck
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Wow dude great explanation thanks man one question when rooting do I still have 8 no cam? And how about if I just want to put new themes and keep my factory Rom how do I do that? And I really don't no how to root I tried the unrevoked but don't work
rugedraw said:
Came works fine except on some experimental Desire roms. Look through the stickies in the Evo development section......everything you need is there.
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Thanks man but what's stickies?
wawa144st said:
Thanks man but what's stickies?
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Stickies are specific posts that the community voted to be "stuck" at the top of a forum because so many forum members found the info inside that particular thread very helpful. Stickies will not move out of sight, even when noone replies to them for long time b/c they are "Stuck" at the top by an Admin./Mod..
wawa144st said:
Wow dude great explanation thanks man one question when rooting do I still have 8 no cam? And how about if I just want to put new themes and keep my factory Rom how do I do that? And I really don't no how to root I tried the unrevoked but don't work
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Your camera should not be affected by rooting. But you know what you might want to try before you dive into rooting? Go on the market and install some home launcher replacements like ADW or Launcher Pro, these two are the most popular but there are others. ADW has some some themes on the market, some are a buck and others free. Try these first and see if you like the way they change the look of your phone. There's tons of stuff you can do to change the look of the phone without rooting. Mess with those while you're reading about rooting.
There are ROMs that keep the factory look intact. You're going to have to explore those on your own and see which one retained the stock look because I wanted to remove Sense and yeah, it takes a ROM to do that. Myn's Warm twopointtwo I think is an improvement on Sense.
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JayStation3 said:
Stickies are specific posts that the community voted to be "stuck" at the top of a forum because so many forum members found the info inside that particular thread very helpful. Stickies will not move out of sight, even when noone replies to them for long time b/c they are "Stuck" at the top by an Admin./Mod..
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Nice thanks can you direct me to some good ones?
semperlux said:
Your camera should not be affected by rooting. But you know what you might want to try before you dive into rooting? Go on the market and install some home launcher replacements like ADW or Launcher Pro, these two are the most popular but there are others. ADW has some some themes on the market, some are a buck and others free. Try these first and see if you like the way they change the look of your phone. There's tons of stuff you can do to change the look of the phone without rooting. Mess with those while you're reading about rooting.
There are ROMs that keep the factory look intact. You're going to have to explore those on your own and see which one retained the stock look because I wanted to remove Sense and yeah, it takes a ROM to do that. Myn's Warm twopointtwo I think is an improvement on Sense.
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yea I no about adw but I like that hd Rom that switches hole themes how do I get that?
wawa144st said:
yea I no about adw but I like that hd Rom that switches hole themes how do I get that?
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No offense dude, but do you do ANY research at all before asking these questions? Every single question you have asked has already been answered to death in these Forums. Do research, read the Stickies, use the Search feature. If you can't find the answers to your question, THEN ask.
Be a noobie, just don't be a lazy noobie.
P.S., How can you be a Senior Member and not know these things already?
mitchellvii said:
No offense dude, but do you do ANY research at all before asking these questions? Every single question you have asked has already been answered to death in these Forums. Do research, read the Stickies, use the Search feature. If you can't find the answers to your question, THEN ask.
Be a noobie, just don't be a lazy noobie.
P.S., How can you be a Senior Member and not know these things already?
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dude the thing with people like you is that they have a problem with not minding there business like if you cant help stay a way go hang out with your girl if you have one or jurk off theres alot of things you can do besides answering something you dont like dont look at it
p.s. i have a porn site for you if you need one
wawa144st said:
dude the thing with people like you is that they have a problem with not minding there business like if you cant help stay a way go hang out with your girl if you have one or jurk off theres alot of things you can do besides answering something you dont like dont look at it
p.s. i have a porn site for you if you need one
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Hi, my name is Punctuation. I don't believe we've met.
wawa144st said:
dude the thing with people like you is that they have a problem with not minding there business like if you cant help stay a way go hang out with your girl if you have one or jurk off theres alot of things you can do besides answering something you dont like dont look at it
p.s. i have a porn site for you if you need one
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So apparently you feel that there is no need for YOU to do any research before asking a question that has been asked (and answered) 1000 times before in this forum? Your recommendation to anyone who suggests you do research is to go jerk off?
P.S. You'll notice no one is taking the time to explain anything to you, right?
Mitchell's EVO
mitchellvii said:
So apparently you feel that there is no need for YOU to do any research before asking a question that has been asked (and answered) 1000 times before in this forum? Your recommendation to anyone who suggests you do research is to go jerk off?
P.S. You'll notice no one is taking the time to explain anything to you, right?
Mitchell's EVO
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lol you are
wawa144st said:
yea I no about adw but I like that hd Rom that switches hole themes how do I get that?
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What's an "HD ROM" that switches hole (whole?) themes? Do you mean a Home Switcher? Where did you see it?
Hi, to this and i'm looking to install a new rom on my Epic 4G but like every person, I am afraid to damage my new equipment.
I'm looking for some stable Roms to flash my Epic but don't know where to look for them with a good description of what does work- what doesn't-what will improve with it... Thing's like that. If anyone can help me, i'll apreciate. =)
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3ndless said:
Hi, to this and i'm looking to install a new rom on my Epic 4G but like every person, I am afraid to damage my new equipment.
I'm looking for some stable Roms to flash my Epic but don't know where to look for them with a good description of what does work- what doesn't-what will improve with it... Thing's like that. If anyone can help me, i'll apreciate. =)
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This took like 0.1 sec on google:
http://alchemistar.blogspot.com/2010/11/samsung-epic-4g-custom-rom-list-1110.html
A list is not maintained on XDA.
Go here! Click on your model below
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=File:Samsung_Epic_4G.png
3ndless said:
Hi, to this and i'm looking to install a new rom on my Epic 4G but like every person, I am afraid to damage my new equipment.
I'm looking for some stable Roms to flash my Epic but don't know where to look for them with a good description of what does work- what doesn't-what will improve with it... Thing's like that. If anyone can help me, i'll apreciate. =)
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Just look up "Samsung Epic 4G Rom XDA" on google and you'll find a whole selection of roms. Then just read their descriptions and some comments to find out what they're all about. I'm a little disappointed that this was you first contribution to the XDA forums...
RandomKing said:
Just look up "Samsung Epic 4G Rom XDA" on google and you'll find a whole selection of roms. Then just read their descriptions and some comments to find out what they're all about. I'm a little disappointed that this was you first contribution to the XDA forums...
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Wow, don't need to be so "Humble" you guys, thanks anyways...
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3ndless said:
Wow, don't need to be so "Humble" you guys, thanks anyways...
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Oh relax, it's all in good fun. We answered you .
But you'll have a lot of questions, we all do, and you'll get your answers faster 9 times out of 10 by checking if someone already asked them first.
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Oh relax, it's all in good fun. We answered you .
But you'll have a lot of questions, we all do, and you'll get your answers faster 9 times out of 10 by checking if someone already asked them first.
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Ok, really sorry for the bother I could cause its just that i've been looking in Google about this and its very confusing. ALWAYS appears something new about this theme & I want to already finish with it to fully enjoy my equipment.
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Theme? What do you mean?
-Sent from my custom INC Epic.
Hey I was new to it myself and as long as you can put your phone in dowload mode you have really nothing to worry about just make sure your cable is good and you have the stock rom and your good
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Wow, don't need to be so "Humble" you guys, thanks anyways...
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Random's post was actually very humble, some people get crucified for not searching lol
We do need a clearer documentation of ROMs
Personally, I think OP's request is completely valid. There are a multitude of ROMS. The roms really don't have any specific vision statement such as "My goal is to be the most stable rom" "my goal is to be the most bleeding edge ROM" "my goal is to be the quickest ROM" or "my goal is to be the fastest ROM, even if stability suffers". Instead each rom seems to be a person who then does some personal tweaks and incorporates the generally available tweaks others have posted.
There's also not a clear change from version to version other than, (hopefully), the release notes which may list "teaked X", "changed Y" which doesn't help me understand if the next build is more stable, smaller, faster, or what.
Also, it's hard to tell the riger put into the software development process. While some ROMs are team built and significantly tested, it's hard to tell which. I assume ACS and Bonsai both have many people testing for many weeks prior to releasing a ROM, but I don't know that. And for the smaller ones, I have no clue.
Ultimately, it would help for someone who has enough experience with each ROM to document the differences. Alternately, a template for ROM developers to fill in each version might help. Something like.
GOAL OF ROM: (if multiple goals, list in order of importance to the developer)
DEVELOPER/DEVELOPERS: (by name, handle, or # of developers)
MAJOR BUILDS INDICATE A CHANGE IN... (time, tweaks, base build, etc)
CODE MANAGEMENT PROCESS: (formal repository, versioning in development package, 1 set of source files edited in VI with no backups or versions)
TEST PROCESS: (length of test, number of test subjects, any stress tests/unique situations/or boundary scenarios included in testing)
SUPPORT OPTIONS: (post on board, email development team, IRC, fire and forget, normal response time, etc)
You need to do what I and most of us did....read the threads following the ROM releases. Every phone is different but if 10 people on the ROM thread report Bluetooth issues and BT is important to you, don't use it. There are no info shortcuts here. Read the ROM threads.
Do you BONSAI?
Unfortunately, it's completely impractical to read through hundreds of posts per ROM to understand the pre-existing bugs with each ROM. Additionally, those bugs are tied to a build. The build they are associated with is usually not apperent from the posts.
The only way to keep up is to skim each rom regularly so you can maintain the current state of each ROM. it doesn't allow people to come in from a cold start and understand what's going on. That would be a good thing to add to the manifest listed above though:
KNOWN OUTSTANDING ISSUES:
REPORTED BUGS:
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Unfortunately, it's completely impractical to read through hundreds of posts per ROM to understand the pre-existing bugs with each ROM. Additionally, those bugs are tied to a build. The build they are associated with is usually not apperent from the posts.
The only way to keep up is to skim each rom regularly so you can maintain the current state of each ROM. it doesn't allow people to come in from a cold start and understand what's going on. That would be a good thing to add to the manifest listed above though:
KNOWN OUTSTANDING ISSUES:
REPORTED BUGS:
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Most of the big developers make an effort to list the large and recurring issues in the first page of the thread. Most other bugs tend to be one-offs caused by a bad flash or failure to wipe data prior. I understand where you're coming from, as I felt the same way when I first jumped in. Mind you, I got the phone in November of 2010, began actively following various threads within a few weeks, gained a vast amount of knowledge on the matter, didn't first root until the EB13 update in February, and didn't even sign up to the forum until March, after which I began helping others with problems I had found answers to months before even making my first post.
I don't preach hypocrisy. I generally criticize an oft-repeated question while also answering it or linking it to one of many long-existent answers. I preach learning by reading. If I tell you how to fix something today, you'll come back with a problem tomorrow because you didn't earn the knowledge for yourself, and you didn't understand what you did. The age-old parable:
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime!"
I strongly suggest everyone read as much as they can to understand as best they can! Take your epic to the toilet and read in your spare time!
While your idea is a noble one, it's a much larger undertaking than you're giving it credit for. Developers would have to collaborate to give a list of specifications, known bugs, etc. to one thread. Someone would have to oversee this thread, take in additional posts to this thread, and append them to the front page continuously. The end result would be roughly what each individual thread already attempts to achieve, with a much larger scale of chaos and a huge problem with out-of-date details.
The list Kenny linked contains a list of known Epic roms and their latest update. You could make this an XDA thread, but I can't say that trying to include every detail and bug beyond that of every rom is a good idea.
That said, look around. Find a Rom. Read about its details. If it sounds good to you, give it a test run! Use what works for you, don't obsess about which one is the "best".
-Written by a man with nothing to do during his lunch break.
No one should be "jumping in cold" and rooting and throwing on ROMs. I got my phone in September, read through posts on ROMs that had features I liked, then 6 weeks later rooted and tried a few ROMs. There are videos now in the General stickies to help cut down on the reading but as stated every phone is different right out of the box. One ROM may cause a messaging issue with a small group whereas another Bluetooth issues. Most developers list known bugs being worked on in the OP.
Do you BONSAI?
try this on youtube
qbking77 on youtube. put in search box 'How to Root Samsung Epic and flash SyndicateFrozenRom 1.1.0/1'. cannot post a link at this time, I'm too new
Actually, I read XDA every day (work's been slow recently). I've rooted my phone and installed more roms than I can count. (Also rooted my wife's and her viewsonic gtab.)
I agree that the major rom builders do a much better job of managing and documenting their development process than most 1-man outfits. However, I still can bearly tell the difference from 1 ROM to the next or 1 build of a ROM to the next. (As far as I can tell, what we have are pretty much the same ROM a dozen different times with slightly different bugs.) A standard for ROM developers to fill in would hopefully help them in focusing their ROM as much as it helps people in understanding the goals of their rom.
As for the effort involved in keeping it up-to-date, most of the worthwhile developers update their main post or start a new one at each major build. Adding some structure to that update wouldn't be a significant increase in hastle.
on a completely separate note, I understand where you are coming from with the "teach them to search" montra. (I helped moderate a very large everquest form for years.)
Since then though, I've realized that, while it's very popular on message boards, it's not very useful. You have to either have a very good understanding of where on a message board to look for the information you are interested in or you need to be a very skilled searcher. Otherwise you end up spending a significant amount of time pouring through poorly summarized search results which don't address your question without knowing if there IS an answer somwhere. While the (here are similar threads) function of vBulletin is reasonably useful, the xda search powered by google is impossible.
Wiki's form a MUCH better way of collecting answers to message boards than bulletin boards do. Unfortunately, you need your WIKI and your forum tightly integrated, (which means a CMS rather than vBulletin + mediawiki). Also, you need forum posters who, after answering a question on the forum, turn right around and post the answer into a wiki page to ensure it was there for the next person
(Actually, it'd be really cool if every Q&A forum on XDA, instead of pointing to a normal forum, pointed to a wiki answers type software install (http://wiki.answers.com/) tailored for XDA. That would hopefully significantly cut down on re-asking of questions. )
3ndless said:
Hi, to this and i'm looking to install a new rom on my Epic 4G but like every person, I am afraid to damage my new equipment.
I'm looking for some stable Roms to flash my Epic but don't know where to look for them with a good description of what does work- what doesn't-what will improve with it... Thing's like that. If anyone can help me, i'll apreciate. =)
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You can look in the development area, the threads are there for the ROMs. Typically the first few posts of a ROM thread will be the information about it. Then read a few of the pages (near the beginning and the last few) to get a feel for what users are experiencing during their use of the ROM.
That should give you the information you're looking for.
Good luck
I would suggest you look into the following excellent ROMs
Midnight v 5.3 which is based on Bonsai. This is my favorite and Rob is very helpful about his and other peoples ROMs
Bonsai itself which you have to go to their site for
Syndicate Frozen 1.1.1 from ACS.
Frankenstein when ecooce finishes the newest one. This is based on the ACS ROM
There are some other ones on here that I just don't know as much about. All of the developers use each others stuff so no matter what you go with it is better than stock.
You will learn a lot from your mistakes when flashing ROMs but the trick is to read a lot through the forums so you can learn from others mistakes.
Samsung Epic Midnight
can anyone post a link or pictures of what the UI looks like?
i am a noob here so i dont know much about it other then what it says
and to me i dont think it explains it enough
what does it do...i read his posts but i still dont understand.....
what difference is it to this mod and the original it came with?
please use simple words for like i said am a noob
p.s. also i looked on his sites and forums...but are still to difficult for me to understand
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can anyone post a link or pictures of what the UI looks like?
i am a noob here so i dont know much about it other then what it says
and to me i dont think it explains it enough
what does it do...i read his posts but i still dont understand.....
what difference is it to this mod and the original it came with?
please use simple words for like i said am a noob
p.s. also i looked on his sites and forums...but are still to difficult for me to understand
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Check out his website, search youtube, etc.
anyway, here you go. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=CyanogenMod+7
yea i tried that already thanks for taking up space in this world
there are a billion different threads,websites,videos,ect that tell me 2 billion different things and mostly in a higher techy vocabulary, thats why that doesnt work for me
deanventure said:
yea i tried that already thanks for taking up space in this world
there are a billion different threads,websites,videos,ect that tell me 2 billion different things and mostly in a higher techy vocabulary, thats why that doesnt work for me
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Next time be polite you don't get anywhere with that right now Google is your friend
yea, i thought he was alittle smug myself.
i am new to this also,but i reaserched for three days,saved web sites,and printed out instructions. in the end i have a rooted evo running cm7 with working hdmi mirroring.
the answers are out there,you just have to look!!!!
I'll just leave this here and let you guys argue it out lol. This is on the HTC Desire but it's the same UI across the board for Cyanogen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5PxgXy_mb0&feature=fvwrel
I understand you are a noob and I don't mean this in a condescending way but research really is your best friend. Like ccollins102 said, do some reading and learn what those "techy" words mean. They are just speaking in the language of the land. I'm no great tech guru but I have learned more by hours of reading than most I am sure.
To explain what Cyanogen Mod is go to the wiki page. Most of the tech words are defined. It's essentially AOSP or Android Open Source Project. Most of the brands (HTC, Samsung, Motorolla ect...) put their own UI over vanilla(basic) Android and ship it out as custom for their brand. HTC has what they have labeled "Sense", Samsung uses Touch Wiz, Sony is "Arc" I believe now(?) and so on. The only phones to my knowledge that don't are the Nexus. (don't flame me if that's wrong but I THOUGHT this to be true).
If you have questions post up, I'll try to help out. The actually CM thread is pretty helpful most of the time too. The website forum I never cared for though. I get lost in it lol.
Google is your friend
its not like im getting anywhere just asking or looking
thanks for the help
blizzard1017 said:
I'll just leave this here and let you guys argue it out lol. This is on the HTC Desire but it's the same UI across the board for Cyanogen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5PxgXy_mb0&feature=fvwrel
I understand you are a noob and I don't mean this in a condescending way but research really is your best friend. Like ccollins102 said, do some reading and learn what those "techy" words mean. They are just speaking in the language of the land. I'm no great tech guru but I have learned more by hours of reading than most I am sure.
To explain what Cyanogen Mod is go to the wiki page. Most of the tech words are defined. It's essentially AOSP or Android Open Source Project. Most of the brands (HTC, Samsung, Motorolla ect...) put their own UI over vanilla(basic) Android and ship it out as custom for their brand. HTC has what they have labeled "Sense", Samsung uses Touch Wiz, Sony is "Arc" I believe now(?) and so on. The only phones to my knowledge that don't are the Nexus. (don't flame me if that's wrong but I THOUGHT this to be true).
If you have questions post up, I'll try to help out. The actually CM thread is pretty helpful most of the time too. The website forum I never cared for though. I get lost in it lol.
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yea ive researched for about a week and alot of it contradicts its self
like example
in some cases i see that gps doesnt work good...but in other cases they say it works great
some people have something that looks like scence on cm7 and some that look like vanilla
ive seen that cm7 gets rid of spell correction because it is sence based built in the evo
i went to his wiki and it was confusing.....and his youtube had no videos on it
there are alot of different versions of cm7 by my understanding
the you tube link was a little help
deanventure said:
yea ive researched for about a week and alot of it contradicts its self
like example
in some cases i see that gps doesnt work good...but in other cases they say it works great
some people have something that looks like scence on cm7 and some that look like vanilla
ive seen that cm7 gets rid of spell correction because it is sence based built in the evo
i went to his wiki and it was confusing.....and his youtube had no videos on it
there are alot of different versions of cm7 by my understanding
the you tube link was a little help
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-GPS generally doesn't work for most people without doing a fix. Some people get lucky, but it's a known issue. If it doesn't work for you, do the GPS fix. You can find directions for this pretty much everywhere.
-CM7 is not Sense, it never will be. It comes with ADW Launcher, but you can download another launcher if you'd prefer. There are themes available to make it look like Sense, and some people use LauncherPro Plus since it has Sense-like widgets. If you want to use ADW or another launcher, Colorize Widget has some good scrollable widgets. But by default, CM7 looks entirely different than Sense.
-CM7 does not get rid of spell check, but the default keyboard may not have it. You can always download a different keyboard from the market, or if you like the HTC keyboard, download the HTC IME Mod - you can find it on xda. Just do a google search.
My advice: Do a nandroid backup and flash it. If you don't like it you can always restore from your backup. It'll be like nothing ever changed. If you decide you want something close to stock, try Myn's Warm TwoPointTwo or MikFroyo. They'll be more familiar to you, and they're good starting points.
Also, I understand that you're new to this, but you still need to figure it out for yourself. Getting snappy with people that try to help you (even if they're trying to help you help yourself) is not going to help you understand. The best way to learn is to just do it. Manually boot into recovery - don't use ROM Manager. Do your own nandroid backup, wipe everything, then flash. When it boots, you'll feel like you have a new phone. And if you don't like it, go back to recovery and restore. If you have any problems with flashing, you can always ask on xda. As long as you treat people with respect, you'll get help.
Good luck!
(from... Evo/MIUI/Tapatalk)
thanks
but when people read what i ask and totaly think i didnt do something like look at google or something like that i dont need them to tell me to do something i already did and got no help from
some people cant learn by themself because its confusing for them
im sorry i need a little more help then the average person
and about being polite i was a asked a question then i get a sarcastic answer
is it only ok for you for some people to be like that and not others? because let me tell you that was uncalled for....
I didn't watch the whole video but most of it I did. That video is what you get with cm7. Like above said, you can have cm as a base and add any launcher you like.
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Just google aosp gingerbread. They all look pretty much the same.....
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