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Can't find launcherpro. Help?

I had to go to work after I installed launcherpro, so when I hit the home button I made sense my default. Now I can't find how to make launcherpro come back when I hit the home button. Help?

Go to settings, press on applications, and then manage applications.
Find HTC Sense, press on it, and then press the Clear Defaults button.
Now when you press the Home button, you'll get the list of launcher/home applications again.

Thank you (this might be the most helpful site of all time haha)
Anyway I can get sense widgets to run on it? I really liked the htc sense standard clock with weather/weather animation.
Or a good free substitute. I'm good with either.
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do a little research and you will find plenty of replacements..
And, contribute something to the community instead of just asking for things..you'll be amazed at how much more helpful people will be if you don't just ASK for things all the time...

wase4711 said:
do a little research and you will find plenty of replacements..
And, contribute something to the community instead of just asking for things..you'll be amazed at how much more helpful people will be if you don't just ASK for things all the time...
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This if my first smartphone, I have a very limited knowledge of computers, and a friend recommended this site because he said it was a great place to learn how to get the full potential of my phone. I've looked through the past 6 pages and the only questions I've been able to answer have already been answered because they were basic "where's the link for" question. Explain to me how I'm supposed to contribute if I can't learn by asking...

well, you could start by learning to use GOOGLE to search for answers to these questions, and when you find something worthwhile, you can offer to share it here..
The best way to become proficient at ANYTHING is to research it and solve the problems yourself...you'll be amazed at how easy and gratifying that is, and, then, you will have something to share here with others..
"Sharing is caring" works BOTH ways..
Have you installed AppBrain on your phone? Have you gone to the website?
Have you searched for "replacement widgets" for EVO on Google?
The options go on and on, you just have to put a little mental effort into it, and you'll be amazed at what you'll find

Had YOU asked (instead of assuming) you would have known I did look and I didn't find any good replacements to the sense clock that were free (I'd like to know my options before I try something like beautiful widgets). Yes, I used google
and I've never heard of AppBrain.
And I hardly consider the THREE questions I've asked on this board to be detrimental to the community. I'm new to Android phones okay? I'm glad you're all big and bad because you know what you're doing. However, this was part of my "researching" that I should apparently be doing.
Oh, and only because your know it all attitude bothers me: the best way to learn something is to teach it.
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In life there are givers and takers..which one are YOU?
Everything I learned about computers, cell phones, and everything electronic was done by hard work and research ON MY OWN..I bought a 386 computer many many years ago and sat up every night until 2 or 3am reading and practicing on it so I could learn and be able to advance my skill level..I've done the SAME thing with most other new technologies over the years, and, even though its tough at times, when you learn how to solve a problem on your own, you are on your way to true intelligence.
The problem with people like YOU is that the minute the going gets tough, you want someone else to do the hard work for you..
People on this board and every other board will always help someone out who tries to find answers on his own FIRST..

This is sad. Why are you so intent on making me feel like my life has been one giant virus, sapping others? That tells me you regret the fact that there's an easier way to do what you did, and you're jealous. And you shouldn't be, you will have a VASTLY greater knowledge of computers than I ever will because of the about of time you put into it. So...chill
While that's a beautiful story, that tells me one thing: you had/have WAAAY more free time than I did/do. I'm glad your morally opposed to someone asking for help, but the fact of the matter is you HAVE to ask for help when you have limited resources. Should poor african countries just "figure out" how to pay for TB medication when their economies are in ruins? Why can't they look to people with EXTRA resources for help GETTING THEM STATED? My limited resource ? Mine has been time. Balancing school, athletics, job for tuition, and squeezing out a social life robs me of free time. I don't have time to spend 5 hours a day researching about a phone. It'd be cool if I did...but I don't. So asking for help getting started is my plan. If you don't like that, then ignore me.
And again with the assumptions...child, if you knew HALF of what I've accomplished in my life you wouldn't say that "going gets tough" crap haha. My accomplishments have just been in a different field than yours
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Fancy widget looks like the sense flip clock
http://i.imgur.com/fMjEg.png
I think it is free.

I saw that one! It was taken off the market though because htc was unhappy with how similar it was to their applications. Which sticks, because from reviews it seems to have been very good. Anyone have a .apk by any chance?
Edit: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OQS1ELEU

I have attached the .apk file of the Fancy Widget. I hope that will help.

wase4711 said:
do a little research and you will find plenty of replacements..
And, contribute something to the community instead of just asking for things..you'll be amazed at how much more helpful people will be if you don't just ASK for things all the time...
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wase4711 said:
well, you could start by learning to use GOOGLE to search for answers to these questions, and when you find something worthwhile, you can offer to share it here..
The best way to become proficient at ANYTHING is to research it and solve the problems yourself...you'll be amazed at how easy and gratifying that is, and, then, you will have something to share here with others..
"Sharing is caring" works BOTH ways..
Have you installed AppBrain on your phone? Have you gone to the website?
Have you searched for "replacement widgets" for EVO on Google?
The options go on and on, you just have to put a little mental effort into it, and you'll be amazed at what you'll find
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wase4711 said:
In life there are givers and takers..which one are YOU?
Everything I learned about computers, cell phones, and everything electronic was done by hard work and research ON MY OWN..I bought a 386 computer many many years ago and sat up every night until 2 or 3am reading and practicing on it so I could learn and be able to advance my skill level..I've done the SAME thing with most other new technologies over the years, and, even though its tough at times, when you learn how to solve a problem on your own, you are on your way to true intelligence.
The problem with people like YOU is that the minute the going gets tough, you want someone else to do the hard work for you..
People on this board and every other board will always help someone out who tries to find answers on his own FIRST..
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I am sorry I have to chime in here and stick up for the OP. You are just an ass. His questions were valid and didn't deserve your flamage. He admitted to not knowing everything thing and was asking for a little assistance. Its asses like you that mess up the experience for other users. If your so intelligent than what the hell are you doing on this board. I would rather have someone on here that is kind and helps when he can instead of some ass that thinks he is sooo smart that he has to put others down. Grow up and find something else to do and leave people alone. You are not needed here. You are completely useless.

slayer69 said:
I am sorry I have to chime in here and stick up for the OP. You are just an ass. His questions were valid and didn't deserve your flamage. He admitted to not knowing everything thing and was asking for a little assistance. Its asses like you that mess up the experience for other users. If your so intelligent than what the hell are you doing on this board. I would rather have someone on here that is kind and helps when he can instead of some ass that thinks he is sooo smart that he has to put others down. Grow up and find something else to do and leave people alone. You are not needed here. You are completely useless.
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^ this is truth.
that whole exchange was unnecessary.

Home switcher @ the market. Guys just answer the damn question n stop being ass wipes, im sure u didn't know jack **** when u first got Android.
Sent telepathically via my Evo.
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(NEW WITH EVO 4G) need help with a few things please help please

hey
im new with this came from dell streak and htc hd2 and just need help with rooting and what
do i loose and what do i gain i heard the 8mp cam dont work and somebody give me a little run down please

Came works fine except on some experimental Desire roms. Look through the stickies in the Evo development section......everything you need is there.

wawa144st said:
hey
im new with this came from dell streak and htc hd2 and just need help with rooting and what do i loose and what do i gain i heard the 8mp cam dont work and somebody give me a little run down please
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Hey man! Welcome to Evo world and congratulations.
It looks like you know what rooting is so I won't go into that. Everyone gets something different out of rooting their Evos--some get headaches. I got a faster phone, better battery life and the option to try a bunch of ROMs and learning a little about kernel mods--all good stuff. Some ROMs stick with Sense UI, some leave it completely and use AOSP, that will depend on your taste.
This page gives a great rundown of almost everything you need to root, ROM an kernel mod your new Evo. Definately go through the stickies though, that's really good advice and when you try a ROM, make sure you read the OP's ROM anouncement carefully.
Remember that you when you root your phone, you're on your own--seriously. No tech support, no calling the carrier so make sure that this is really what you want to do.
I'm using Calkulin's EViO ROM and the camera works perfectly. You'll have to read the ROM's threads to find out what the ROM's shortcomings and benefits are. I used CyanogenMod 6 and the camera's not so good in that one but they know that.
Also:
HTC Supersonic/Guides & Tutorials
Good luck

semperlux said:
Hey man! Welcome to Evo world and congratulations.
It looks like you know what rooting is so I won't go into that. Everyone gets something different out of rooting their Evos--some get headaches. I got a faster phone, better battery life and the option to try a bunch of ROMs and learning a little about kernel mods--all good stuff. Some ROMs stick with Sense UI, some leave it completely and use AOSP, that will depend on your taste.
This page gives a great rundown of almost everything you need to root, ROM an kernel mod your new Evo. Definately go through the stickies though, that's really good advice and when you try a ROM, make sure you read the OP's ROM anouncement carefully.
Remember that you when you root your phone, you're on your own--seriously. No tech support, no calling the carrier so make sure that this is really what you want to do.
I'm using Calkulin's EViO ROM and the camera works perfectly. You'll have to read the ROM's threads to find out what the ROM's shortcomings and benefits are. I used CyanogenMod 6 and the camera's not so good in that one but they know that.
Also:
HTC Supersonic/Guides & Tutorials
Good luck
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Wow dude great explanation thanks man one question when rooting do I still have 8 no cam? And how about if I just want to put new themes and keep my factory Rom how do I do that? And I really don't no how to root I tried the unrevoked but don't work

rugedraw said:
Came works fine except on some experimental Desire roms. Look through the stickies in the Evo development section......everything you need is there.
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Thanks man but what's stickies?

wawa144st said:
Thanks man but what's stickies?
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Stickies are specific posts that the community voted to be "stuck" at the top of a forum because so many forum members found the info inside that particular thread very helpful. Stickies will not move out of sight, even when noone replies to them for long time b/c they are "Stuck" at the top by an Admin./Mod..

wawa144st said:
Wow dude great explanation thanks man one question when rooting do I still have 8 no cam? And how about if I just want to put new themes and keep my factory Rom how do I do that? And I really don't no how to root I tried the unrevoked but don't work
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Your camera should not be affected by rooting. But you know what you might want to try before you dive into rooting? Go on the market and install some home launcher replacements like ADW or Launcher Pro, these two are the most popular but there are others. ADW has some some themes on the market, some are a buck and others free. Try these first and see if you like the way they change the look of your phone. There's tons of stuff you can do to change the look of the phone without rooting. Mess with those while you're reading about rooting.
There are ROMs that keep the factory look intact. You're going to have to explore those on your own and see which one retained the stock look because I wanted to remove Sense and yeah, it takes a ROM to do that. Myn's Warm twopointtwo I think is an improvement on Sense.
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JayStation3 said:
Stickies are specific posts that the community voted to be "stuck" at the top of a forum because so many forum members found the info inside that particular thread very helpful. Stickies will not move out of sight, even when noone replies to them for long time b/c they are "Stuck" at the top by an Admin./Mod..
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Nice thanks can you direct me to some good ones?

semperlux said:
Your camera should not be affected by rooting. But you know what you might want to try before you dive into rooting? Go on the market and install some home launcher replacements like ADW or Launcher Pro, these two are the most popular but there are others. ADW has some some themes on the market, some are a buck and others free. Try these first and see if you like the way they change the look of your phone. There's tons of stuff you can do to change the look of the phone without rooting. Mess with those while you're reading about rooting.
There are ROMs that keep the factory look intact. You're going to have to explore those on your own and see which one retained the stock look because I wanted to remove Sense and yeah, it takes a ROM to do that. Myn's Warm twopointtwo I think is an improvement on Sense.
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yea I no about adw but I like that hd Rom that switches hole themes how do I get that?

wawa144st said:
yea I no about adw but I like that hd Rom that switches hole themes how do I get that?
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No offense dude, but do you do ANY research at all before asking these questions? Every single question you have asked has already been answered to death in these Forums. Do research, read the Stickies, use the Search feature. If you can't find the answers to your question, THEN ask.
Be a noobie, just don't be a lazy noobie.
P.S., How can you be a Senior Member and not know these things already?

mitchellvii said:
No offense dude, but do you do ANY research at all before asking these questions? Every single question you have asked has already been answered to death in these Forums. Do research, read the Stickies, use the Search feature. If you can't find the answers to your question, THEN ask.
Be a noobie, just don't be a lazy noobie.
P.S., How can you be a Senior Member and not know these things already?
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dude the thing with people like you is that they have a problem with not minding there business like if you cant help stay a way go hang out with your girl if you have one or jurk off theres alot of things you can do besides answering something you dont like dont look at it
p.s. i have a porn site for you if you need one

wawa144st said:
dude the thing with people like you is that they have a problem with not minding there business like if you cant help stay a way go hang out with your girl if you have one or jurk off theres alot of things you can do besides answering something you dont like dont look at it
p.s. i have a porn site for you if you need one
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Hi, my name is Punctuation. I don't believe we've met.

wawa144st said:
dude the thing with people like you is that they have a problem with not minding there business like if you cant help stay a way go hang out with your girl if you have one or jurk off theres alot of things you can do besides answering something you dont like dont look at it
p.s. i have a porn site for you if you need one
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So apparently you feel that there is no need for YOU to do any research before asking a question that has been asked (and answered) 1000 times before in this forum? Your recommendation to anyone who suggests you do research is to go jerk off?
P.S. You'll notice no one is taking the time to explain anything to you, right?
Mitchell's EVO

mitchellvii said:
So apparently you feel that there is no need for YOU to do any research before asking a question that has been asked (and answered) 1000 times before in this forum? Your recommendation to anyone who suggests you do research is to go jerk off?
P.S. You'll notice no one is taking the time to explain anything to you, right?
Mitchell's EVO
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lol you are

wawa144st said:
yea I no about adw but I like that hd Rom that switches hole themes how do I get that?
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What's an "HD ROM" that switches hole (whole?) themes? Do you mean a Home Switcher? Where did you see it?

Anyone else bored with their evo now?

I used to be a flashoholic trying at least 1 new rom daily. After I was done having my fun I'd go back to cm6, then it was back to the cm6 4g rom. Now that I'm on cm7 rc2 I honestly have no need to flash new roms anymore. I love cm7 but it kinda killed my flashing because I have yet to run into anything that I like better. I've tried miui and like it but the new gingerbread rom says it's got a few bugs in it, plus no 4g. Don't know why the 4g thing kills it for me because I went without it while using cyanogenmod releases but now for some reason i feel the need for it. I'm not opposed to sense roms, in fact became really fond of the frost rom but still kept going back to cm. So I'm conclusion thank you to the cm team for making my phone simply amazing but damn you for being so good that I don't want to try anything else.
Sent from my now just a fancy phone and no longer my all day source of flashing entertainment phone

Your thread title indicates that you are bored with your EVO but your post sounds as if you are just simply happy with your EVO running the CM7 ROM. The title is a bit misleading but I understand how you feel. Your phone is great and you are happy with it and not flashing roms on a daily basis... which is a good thing.
Mabe the title should say you are not bored with your phone but quite happy with it and no longer feel the need to try diferent roms?

I'm bored with Android, not my Evo. I found webOS to be a more exciting OS to use on a phone than Android and iOS.

I just got my flashing days started! It seems I do the same thing you do: keep going back to a particular ROM, mine being Warm Z.
I've just started looking into threads about people posting their home screen and I'm trying to really figure out what I wanna do with that! Really, so many possibilities to do with home screens, it'll definitely keep me entertained for a while.

I just wish the Evo was better at gaming. Overall it's a fantastic phone, but i do like gaming, and with all the hd games and cool emulators coming out, the evo seems to be showing its limits i think. Just holding out for the 3d.

The evo had an outdated gpu before it was even released.
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tx_dbs_tx said:
Your thread title indicates that you are bored with your EVO but your post sounds as if you are just simply happy with your EVO running the CM7 ROM. The title is a bit misleading but I understand how you feel. Your phone is great and you are happy with it and not flashing roms on a daily basis... which is a good thing.
Mabe the title should say you are not bored with your phone but quite happy with it and no longer feel the need to try diferent roms?
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I'm extremely happy with my phone it's just that i would be on it all day looking for new roms to try, waiting for them to download at work, possibly flashing them at work or on the way home, playing around with the new rom when I got home for hours. I love cm7 and my phone but now I have nothing to do.
For months my routine involved wasting hours flashing roms and kernels now all I do is get my ass kicked at Droid words by my girlfriend, I guess that's payback for all the hours I ignored her because I was playing with my phone

Nope
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Yea like the OP I was flashing anything and everything.. but lately its just been slow.. maybe im speaking out of turn and i know someone will def. say something, but I want something groundbreaking from android/HTC.. just my opinion..

Yeah used to flash more in the past, checking everything out but always going back to CM6. Now with CM7 I have only flashed one, Warm Z, and was back shortly. Not so much bored as I am content and happy with CM7. Feels nice to have settled, actually.
blah blah effin blah

There.
You know what I never seem to get bored with? Grammar. Personally, It's always exciting to know people can't judge me because I never paid attention in fourth grade.

sobis1dm said:
You know what I never seem to get bored with? Grammar. Personally, It's always exciting to know people can't judge me because I never paid attention in fourth grade.
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Wow, I thought it, but you said it. Now go after all your friends and neighbors on Facebook because it feels so good to know you're superior, and they'll love you for it, I'm sure.

Actually, superiority isn't my goal. The kid clearly doesn't know the difference in his words, so I'm trying to point him in a direction to learn more about the language he speaks; in this case, learning the difference between there, their and they're. It's kindof important.

sobis1dm said:
Actually, superiority isn't my goal. The kid clearly doesn't know the difference in his words, so I'm trying to point him in a direction to learn more about the language he speaks; in this case, learning the difference between there, their and they're. It's kindof important.
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Yeah, well this is kind of an internet forum. Not a place for grammar lessons. It may even be a rule here to not correct people. I don't remember though.
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sobis1dm said:
Actually, superiority isn't my goal. The kid clearly doesn't know the difference in his words, so I'm trying to point him in a direction to learn more about the language he speaks...
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Not sure telling him he should have paid attention in 4th grade is the best approach. May want to adjust your style when you're seeking to be helpful.

man...tough crowd.....man i love my evo.... changing roms/kernels every week.... wild~...best phone out IMO

Grammar patrol.
there =/= their
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Woops, too late. Oh well...if you make a blatant grammatical error in a forum title you have to expect it.

aimbdd said:
Yeah, well this is kind of an internet forum. Not a place for grammar lessons. It may even be a rule here to not correct people. I don't remember though.
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Actually, by correcting him I actually exercised two rules.
First: speak English as well as you possibly can. Next time, he will know.
Second: help others when possible. Self explanatory

Thank you for correcting me. I'm sure you did it to help another person out. My mistake was probably nothing more than an auto correct as I typed this out on my phone. You're so kind with the sharing of your infinite wisdom of the English language. Thank you very much. To help you out you didn't put a period after your 2nd rule, and I believe you only spaced once when you should space twice after the first sentence in your first rule. Next time when you criticize someone on their grammar maybe you can use correct sentence structure.
Thanks once again.
sobis1dm said:
Actually, by correcting him I actually exercised two rules.
First: speak English as well as you possibly can. Next time, he will know.
Second: help others when possible. Self explanatory
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the noan said:
Thank you for correcting me. I'm sure you did it to help another person out. My mistake was probably nothing more than an auto correct as I typed this out on my phone. You're so kind with the sharing of your infinite wisdom of the English language. Thank you very much. To help you out you didn't put a period after your 2nd rule, and I believe you only spaced once when you should space twice after the first sentence in your first rule. Next time when you criticize someone on their grammar maybe you can use correct sentence structure.
Thanks once again.
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Lmfao...pawned.

[Q] Why not make a theme and stop making a duplicate ROM with a theme on it?

Ok, I'm properly going to get a lot of negative people on here telling me to go F$%K myself or whatever which will properly include the supposedly "developers" of these so called roms of the links below as well BUT I'm going to say it anyways!
What happened to all the creative developers on here? I mean I admire XxXViRuSXxX, Cyanogen and echoside to name a few BUT I think the rest need to step up their game because looking at other forums on here and is not even close to the quality of work! I'm not sure about everyone else on here because every time I think I got you guys figured out, I get surprised BUT I'm tired of seeing a CM7 ROM with a theme on it and being posted in the development section! Oh and is not only CM7 Roms....is Sense Roms as well with NOTHING to add or anything....is an exact copy of the freaking rom! I could understand if you made a change to something other then a freaking .png then I wouldn't be as mad but when you just switch out .png's and call yourself a developer...COME ON, that's BULL!!
Now I know what's coming (I hope..lol), you guys are going to say that I'm wrong and that I need to chill out BUT I would like for someone to explain these roms below to me.......BECAUSE they don't provide nothing special except a theme!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1067648
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1039921
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1055623
I could pull up more but I think 3 was enough to prove my point.....
If you going to make a duplicate rom with a theme then do me and hopefully everyone else a favor and just make a .zip and post it in the themes and apps section because is getting OLD....it really is!
Oh and sorry for the rant but I just needed to get that off my chest....LOL

I agree to an extent
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Go F%$K YOURSELF!
LOL

Well, let us look at those three links you posted. You kind of lose your credibility by using those as your main argument.
Anyone with half a brain will realize that those threads look like failures. They barely have posts in them. People respond to the ROMs that interest them--and ROMs like that don't interest people, simple as that.
There's no way to just make people stop doing that, but it is quite obvious that the people who do that don't get many hits. They don't contribute anything, so people don't pay attention to them.
We have some amazing developers here, like Cyanogen, Virus, Myn, and so on. You said it yourself.
The development forums for the Evo are quite active, and so it is pretty obvious that you would have people who want to try to look like developers posting carbon copy ROMs.
I agree with you on the basic idea of the thread though; you aren't a ROM developer if you simply make a theme and throw some apps in. You're a theme developer. I would enjoy more creative and interesting ROMs, but I also at the same time feel that the Evo developer community delivers very well, and I'm glad we have all of the great developers we do.
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Good job sora. I've been telling you that for a while. Looks like you finally understand

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Good job sora. I've been telling you that for a while. Looks like you finally understand
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I've always understood that. >=(

Mods, I request an enforced ROM thread template

I am getting annoyed of many ROM threads here, because they are
stating "speed improvements, minor fixes, stable" - if you cant name it exactly, i call bull****.
ROMs being based on the same RUU as other ROMs but not stating what is different. please stop wasting my time. i dont want to go sherlock holmes on your ROM. when you just spend 2h, to make a ROM that is basically the same like most other (just differeing in the point above) - thats fine, you can play around and share it here - but PLEASE tell us.
incomplete list of what is working or not. listing only BT as not working and then reading on the third page "animations and browser download dont work" and then a reply "they dont work on any sense 4.0 ROM". Or stuff like "bugs: you tell me". could you please take 10minutes to test against a checklist?!
so whats my point:
I am no ROM developer, but a software developer. And I see all the wonderfull work done here. But i hate the lazy "you all probably know what im talking about" attitude around here. I feel a bit scammed by either the very shiny threads with custom logos and artwork, listing as many points as they can - whats the purpose - you dont sell anything here. Or on the other hand the very short threads that omit the most important points, making the ROMs incompareable - are you hiding something?
so i propose:
an enforced thread layout, that is composed by the community.
some points i would like to see in it:
name
version
based on (RUU revision number, link)
android revision(, sense revision)
type (a coarse classification: stock, themed, bloatfree, desensed, ported, testrelease, AOSP. multiple selection possible)
changes to base (the 5 main topics of this ROM. at least kernel, bootscreen, keyboard, launcher, theme)
dependencies: firmware etc.
screenshot (i know mostly there is no difference, but i personally am a visual type and need them )
a bug checklist (also community build, most usual bugs, states: ok, minor, broken, untested)
a tweaks checklist (e.g. rooted, deodexed, zipaligned, crt, recent apps, APM, battery, /etc/hosts, beats etc.)
APK versions (also a community build checklist, maybe a script for that)
changelog (for each old version a download, for each change a source link, not just "thanks xyuser" - having the ROM in github etc. would be awesome)
I bet there are some more points - i think the non-developers should unite and demand a bit of quality. Develop and enforce a standard. Use this thread to gather ideas.
And inb4 "be gratefull and take what you get" - no, I think chefs have a responsibility to be transparent, they get lots of testers and glory in return. XDA is a central reference for everyone who roots his device. Mods have taken some good steps to clean up the mess. Now its time for the next.
I think the more detailed the information gets, the faster the development will become and users can build trust in what they flash.
Mods, would something like this be possible?

Yes, it will make everything easier for the users too compare one with another.
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium

MOVZX said:
Yes, it will make everything easier for the users too compare one with another.
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thats what I think. any other oppinions?

jonasb said:
thats what I think. any other oppinions?
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I also agree, There are way to many roms out there, I couldnt possibly flash them all and test them, My phone would be outdated by the time i managed that.
The majority are exactly the same, except with the occasional different theme /tweak /app but other than that i think they are similar...
I also get the feeling that the ROMs are a pretty much copy & paste job (with the exception of the devs that build from scratch)
I would like to see some sort of organization in the development thread.. I have nothing against these ROM Makers, But if the first post pointed out what exactly makes THIS ROM different than any others. i think it would be less confusing to people..

I am so for this. I am tired myself of all the crap too. I would like to know what I'm getting and how stable it truly is. I mean saying it's stable but then u find our in post number 400, that one the newest release there are some bugs which don't make it go for every day use. And if it's kanged, tell us, some do tell us but then same get someone else and make it theirs with some changes but nobody finds out till later. I'm also tired of ppl causing problems for others, whenever they follow rules more than others, and tell them this is such & suches place u better leave. I that's y some really good ppl leave here and sometimes the mods allow it cause they're friends. It's total bs, but this is just how I feel!

+ 1 ^^^
I get belittled sometimes in them threads, Im just trying to ask a simple question and the replies are 'dude.. this was asked ten times already.. look at post 862816745 and you will see....' The damn threads change so fast i cant keep up.. Im not a noob... maybe a novice to the sensation but i know what im doing in general.
People expect everyone to know how to do things - because they have done it themselves so many times... Id rather help someone with the simplest question than shout at them for not asking for help and bricking their phone...
C'mon guys, play nice
Rant over lol
EDIT: Good Idea
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Maybe there should be a forum for 'Original Development' for projects that aren't a variation of another project. I've seen this for other devices' forums.

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I am so for this. I am tired myself of all the crap too. I would like to know what I'm getting and how stable it truly is. I mean saying it's stable but then u find our in post number 400, that one the newest release there are some bugs which don't make it go for every day use. And if it's kanged, tell us, some do tell us but then same get someone else and make it theirs with some changes but nobody finds out till later. I'm also tired of ppl causing problems for others, whenever they follow rules more than others, and tell them this is such & suches place u better leave. I that's y some really good ppl leave here and sometimes the mods allow it cause they're friends. It's total bs, but this is just how I feel!
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Looks like I was never enjoyed my phone even just for 1 day. Today I've installed a ROM, adding many apps from Market which took many hours to setup & configure.
While I've become comfortable with the ROM, something freaked Me ouy: "Oh, there is even better and way more stable ROM available than this current ROM." Downloading, it takes about 1 to 2 hours. Then booted the ROM, but I caught myself disappointed with the news, "This new one has just another clone of the first ROM I've ever tried." Oh no, it has different theme and feels! "All of them are on the same base, same kernel, same etc, etc, etc."
Then, my final decision should be restoring the first ROM through Recovery, but again it takes minutes to complete.
And yet, I fooled with Battery Calibration placebo/myth which actually doesn't exist. Do I need to recalibrate my battery on s ROM changes? No, Google Official has just stated it's just a myth and placebo.
This is what I feel, sorry I mean no offense to any Devs.
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium

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+ 1 ^^^
I get belittled sometimes in them threads, Im just trying to ask a simple question and the replies are 'dude.. this was asked ten times already.. look at post 862816745 and you will see....' The damn threads change so fast i cant keep up.. Im not a noob... maybe a novice to the sensation but i know what im doing in general.
People expect everyone to know how to do things - because they have done it themselves so many times... Id rather help someone with the simplest question than shout at them for not asking for help and bricking their phone...
C'mon guys, play nice
Rant over lol
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Dude I am so with u. Some threads r just so damn long that to every little post would take to long and I would probably never be able to flash a rom. As far as noobs go, we were all noobs at one point. I get most to get me on gtalk so I can help them without some as telling them off. Yeah sometimes it takes me some time but hell I've been able to save quite a few phones.

Its a much better feeling knowing you have helped someone and saved a phone from the horrible stock ROM or possible brick..
Ive done my fair share of helping noobs to help other noobs... Ive also saved a few phones from the trash too
XDA is a community - not a place to rant at people for being a noob - Although there are some hopeless people out there who do not follow the rules, But the majority of us just need some guidance..
The worlds best android developer wasnt born the best... he / she was obviously a noob who learnt from someone else...
The way i see it is that noobs are the future of development so dont hate us

I so agree and am getting ready to learn the cooking game from a friend and great deveolper. He's also getting ready to aquire a sensation and is going to port some of his awesome work from the 3d to the sensation, but make it with ics. Don't know if it'll every see xda because of the drama but it'll be on our teams site. It might make since he does have stuff in evo on xda but I don't know yet.

I'll probably get flamed for this, but that's xda.
The devs don't do this for our convenience. As users who don't pay them a salary, I don't think we're in a position to tell them how they should share what they do. They use their spare time to make something and then choose to share with the masses, which they really didn't have to do. How they choose to present their work should really be up to them IMO.
Besides, if you stick around long enough and read the threads now and then, you'll be able to tell which devs are doing real work versus someone who just forks another person's ROM and throws in some personal tweaks.
Yes most of the ROMs are similar in looks or function, but that's too be expected since everything comes from whatever HTC releases. Each one has its own flavor since each dev has different priorities. Want something totally different? Try one of the WIP AOSP/CM9 builds or maybe MiUI v4.

rawrfische said:
I'll probably get flamed for this, but that's xda.
The devs don't do this for our convenience. As users who don't pay them a salary, I don't think we're in a position to tell them how they should share what they do. They use their spare time to make something and then choose to share with the masses, which they really didn't have to do. How they choose to present their work should really be up to them IMO.
Besides, if you stick around long enough and read the threads now and then, you'll be able to tell which devs are doing real work versus someone who just forks another person's ROM and throws in some personal tweaks.
Yes most of the ROMs are similar in looks or function, but that's too be expected since everything comes from whatever HTC releases. Each one has its own flavor since each dev has different priorities. Want something totally different? Try one of the WIP AOSP/CM9 builds or maybe MiUI v4.
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I think the real question is, WHY are the devs doing it at all? There are motives. I think this thread is basically asking them to spare us. If they decide to pack their ball up and go somewhere else, no big deal. The REAL devs will always stick around.
This thread isn't directed at our "patron devs" but all the no names that pop up with these ridiculous, and misleading, clones while asking for donations.
All in all, no one is forcing us to flash their ROM. It would be nice to have several layers to the dev forum. We need a place to easily see what the pro devs are up to without all the mess in the way. Or, how some genuine developing is coming along...
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I can see it from both sides, All the devs good or bad are still great in their own way.
But some tidying up in the development section wouldnt do any harm... Its like a jumble sale in there, Rummaging around to see whats what. Its ridiculous

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Now, you watch your attitude and language or simply face the consequences...

yaddamean, I understand what you mean but I would say the opposite: devs that dont care to be transparent, can host their ROMs on their servers elsewhere. I know this is a quite fundamental difference in views. But i dont get what should be the advantage of being the silent majority.
Good things never come easily.
I bet we would not loose one good dev.

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I agree with u and because of yaddamean and others like him who like to just jump in and flamming ppl. As soon as someone stands up to those kinda ppl, the real supporters of this Site and it's Real dev, get in trouble. That's y ppl leave here too!

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this will get us less viewers but more mods hopfully
is there any chance of changing the current practice?

That's y it was moved less attention.