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Hi All,
Running rooted Hero with Modaco 2.5.1 rom ( thanks Paul )
Was hoping someone could ( simplistically ) answer a few question for me.
As I understand it - one of the things holding back development of Hero ROMS is that HTC haven't released the kernel for the Hero.
1) What exactly IS the kernel in the greater scheme of things?
2) When are HTC likely to release it?
3) When it is released, what new things will it allow developers to do?
4) Anything else relevant to it worth knowing?
TIA
Look at these:
1. The kernel is the Operating System for the phone, it runs everything.
2. That is the magic question...
3. It'll allow more development in terms of mods. we'll be able to change alot more and get more out of the phones.
I'm sure others will have more detailed explanations.
Regarding question 2:
I've gotten response from HTC support the other day that the release is planned but no sure date could be given.
Date: 5th of October
My question:
Hello there, I realize that this might not be the normal kind of request you guys get, but here goes. This is probably not your average request and might require escalation. I was wondering when the source code for the Hero kernel was gonna be available at developer.htc.com?
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Hello
This is quite a normal question we get here at HTC. The source code is something that will becoming soon. We have had contact with those far higher than my self or are planning on adding the source code as soon as possible. I have not been given a time scale but bases on the code for the two other handsets i should expect it in the next couple of weeks.
Hope this helps.
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So, educated guess would be around the release of the Hero in the US.
Some if I have this right -
The kernel is the basic underlying OS of the phone, and a ROM sits on top of this end gives us the end user experience ( and Sense UI is within the ROM ).
Am I right in thinking the kernel is linux based?
And a big magic question - when the kernel is released, will people be able to modify it and get the bluetooth working properly?
Sorry if it's a bit basic - but interesting to me....
The Kernel is not the OS (As most people understand an OS to be) (OS meaning Operating System)
It's at the core of the OS but is not the OS. You can keep the same build of an OS but update the kernel and vica versa. It is (put simply) what converts the hardware calls from the OS into something the hardware understands.
So (using current issues as explanation) The OS tries to load the GPS and the kernel isn't configured with the right settings the GPS won't load. Similarly if you try and use the trackball and it's not setup in the kernel then it won't do anything.
The OS will still work fine with other things but until the kernel has the right settings put into it it just won't see the parts of the phone it's not set up to.
Here is a technical description of a Kernel.
http://www.linfo.org/kernel.html
I'm sure I've just made it as clear as dishwater but if not I hope it's helped.
J-Zeus said:
Some if I have this right -
The kernel is the basic underlying OS of the phone, and a ROM sits on top of this end gives us the end user experience ( and Sense UI is within the ROM ).
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Not exactly. To add to what akirainblack has said already...ROM stands for Read Only Memory. In this context it is a bit different as it is the complete package that makes up the Kernel, the OS and anything that is pre-installed to the phone. When you run the RUU (Rom Update Utilitiy) on your PC is completely refreshes the system software in your phone - Kernel, OS and any pre-installed apps - just as if you had bought it from the shop like that.
J-Zeus said:
Am I right in thinking the kernel is linux based?
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Yes.
Hmmm...
simple question... when the kernel is available... would we be able to get a white taskbar on the Hero?
//Nik
When the kernel source is available, we should be able to rebuild Android completely from the source code repositories and do practically whatever you want.
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
When the kernel source is available, we should be able to rebuild Android completely from the source code repositories and do practically whatever you want.
Regards,
Dave
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Including getting Bluetooth working?
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Including getting Bluetooth working?
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In theory, yes. In practice, the situation is a little more complicated, but at the very least I'd imagine it would be possible to get BlueX, or something like it, working on rooted Heros fairly quickly.
Regards,
Dave
Given that this is a Linux kernel, aren't HTC required by the GPL to make the source available to all Hero owners?
This is covering the same ground, but is another way to look at things regarding the kernel and the OS. The kernel abstracts the specifics of the hardware from the Android system. For example, when the Android system requests that the bluetooth hardware be enabled, the kernel can translate that request so that it works with the particular hardware of the phone - as the bluetooth hardware of the Magic may be different from the bluetooth hardware of the Hero. So the kernel, is an interface that translates and Android call to the specific hardware level controls necessary. The kernel sits between the hardware and the Android system.
It also means that releasing the kernel will not allow us to make changes to the Hero Android user interfaces. If we want to change colours, icons and so on in the Hero ROM, we would need the source code for their "tweaked" Android and maybe to some degree their TouchFlo software. I doubt they would give that away. It would allows us however, to tweak the kernel, or transplant the driver code for specific hardware pieces in the Hero, to a newer version kernel.
I understand that the release of the hero kernel, could help me with my cause (getting 1.5/1.6 'clean' android on my hero without any htc apps/front ends).
Somebody suggested contacting HTC and asking for it to be released.
I have a few questions regarding that:
1) Has this happened before? That HTC released an android kernel?
2) Did this happen after the request?
3) Who should we contact to get it? (which HTC division)
4) Is there a possibility that they don't want to release it, because it would allow people to copy parts of the proprietary interface?
E2K said:
1) Has this happened before? That HTC released an android kernel?
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Take a look at http://developer.htc.com/
The Dream and Magic sources are available.
E2K said:
4) Is there a possibility that they don't want to release it, because it would allow people to copy parts of the proprietary interface?
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The HTC Sense UI won't be included in the kernel source.
They dont have to release the source of them.
New question
Is it possible to create a new donut kernel (2.6.29) with the changes they made to the 1.5 kernel (2.6.27)?
Looks like they send you the hole kernel, not just some patches and new drivers...
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Take a look at http://developer.htc.com/
The Dream and Magic sources are available.
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So this means that we could compile or 'cook' a working vanilla android 1.5 for the HTC hero, with everything working fully?
HTC HAS to release the kernel source as required under the GPL license that the kernel was released under. It is indeed a linux kernel and it contains the necessary parts to work the hardware along with extra drivers and modules (stupid monolithic kernels).
Here's what I don't get (and hopefully somebody will clarify this for me). Why hasn't anybody tried building android with the current kernel available? Android has the ability to be built around a pre-compiled kernel (it does this if you do a straight make right after repo sync with the pre-compiled dream kernel). You'd only need to re-build the wlan.ko module for the new kernel and the gps module would be compiled against the specified kernel, so it should work.
If I had Hero, I'd test it (if you want to trade your Hero for my G1, hit me up ), but there's no reason it shouldn't work.
Up to now, I've only seen ports, and those are hard to make work because of the pre-compiled files, so that leads to loads of file-swapping and finger-crossing, but an AOSP make should still work. Anybody wanna try it (or post me a hero kernel and I'll compile you a stock donut build to test).
jubeh said:
HTC HAS to release the kernel source as required under the GPL license that the kernel was released under. It is indeed a linux kernel and it contains the necessary parts to work the hardware along with extra drivers and modules (stupid monolithic kernels).
Here's what I don't get (and hopefully somebody will clarify this for me). Why hasn't anybody tried building android with the current kernel available? Android has the ability to be built around a pre-compiled kernel (it does this if you do a straight make right after repo sync with the pre-compiled dream kernel). You'd only need to re-build the wlan.ko module for the new kernel and the gps module would be compiled against the specified kernel, so it should work.
If I had Hero, I'd test it (if you want to trade your Hero for my G1, hit me up ), but there's no reason it shouldn't work.
Up to now, I've only seen ports, and those are hard to make work because of the pre-compiled files, so that leads to loads of file-swapping and finger-crossing, but an AOSP make should still work. Anybody wanna try it (or post me a hero kernel and I'll compile you a stock donut build to test).
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Hi, thank you for this information. You make it sound like it's possible
I tried searching for the Hero Kernel, but I could only find this:
http://developer.htc.com/
The hero is not listed (maybe it shares a lot with the magic kernel?).
edit: this post dating from september 10 stated that HTC would "release the kernel source soon".
This was more than a month ago though..
edit2: calling HTC Netherlands right now..
edit3: after explainig the need for the kernel, I've been on hold for 10 minutes now..
edit4: more than 18 minutes now
edit5: after 26 minutes I hang up
Well I have a Hero running Modaco 2.2. I could post this kernel (where?) Or it surely could be extracted from one of the ROMs available on this very site
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Well I have a Hero running Modaco 2.2. I could post this kernel (where?) Or it surely could be extracted from one of the ROMs available on this very site
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I could be wrong, but I believe there is a difference between the 'kernel', and the 'kernel source'. The second one is needed when you want to compile the kernel.
Speaking as one who has compiled kernels in the past there are three components required here:
The kernel source- this is typically available from http://kernel.org/ If HTC have made any changes to the source of the kernel itself then these should be apparent in their distribution of the kernel source
The relevant configuration file '.config' which should accompany their distribution of the kernel source and permit you to compile any other kernel as a drop in replacement.
Source code and makefiles for any custom kernel modules ('drivers' in windows terminology) In Linux these have to be compiled together with the kernel.
To use a cookery analogy:
The kernel source is the raw ingredients. It can be set up for anything from a supercomputer to a DVD player depending on how you use it. The kernel config is the method which will allow you to bake the type of cake you intend. The modules sources are any of HTC’s own custom ingredients required for everything to work. THe kernel is the finished cake which you eat.
[This is not the place to say "this is awesome" or "thanks!"]
[DEVS ONLY]
I want to start this thread to keep up the progress on the port.
the bad news is that the SDK is incomplete for now, so (like other devices)
we will have to write our own code for the OS, the nook community
has done a wonderful job writing their own libraries and stuffs, so we will have to do the same.
Instead of pursuing different goals, let's focus on one thing at a time.
since GSM and CDMA versions are already out, it seems we suffer the same bugs, so for now let's unite strength and knowledge to overcome these.
I propose that the first goal to fix is the SurfaceFlinger, so we could at least see the apps, the buttons and the notifications.
it is currently throwing this:
04-06 22:01:35.495: ERROR/Surface(2960): dequeueBuffer failed (Out of memory)
this could lead us that it might coudln't start because of some malloc malfunction or something.
also that pvrsrvinit bugs me a lot.
update:
8/APR/2011
since DiP7 could fix SurfaceFlinger and other things using a different build from the GSM kernel, we have to dig deeper
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CURRENT GOAL
Rebuild Kernel
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Current approaches:
*none
Post any finding, guessing or anything, and please, please don't be afraid to ask anything you have a doubt, as a Dev you should not know everything, so we can help us each other
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Google Easter egg:
while searching some info about the android.mk file , I put it on the chrome bar to search for that term, but instead I went to
http://android.mk
an easter egg web page from google lol
******TOOLS*********
How to send text and Keystrokes via ADB
http://bradchow.blogspot.com/2011/02/send-intent-and-key-event-by-adb.html
use DroidExplorer to easily access your device from your computer and makes changes from it
http://de.codeplex.com/
The Android Boot Process
http://www.androidenea.com/2009/06/android-boot-process-from-power-on.html
---Kernel Tools----
CPU Datasheet
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=745877
Samsung GIT
http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=kernel/samsung.git;a=summary
PowerVR SDK
http://www.imgtec.com/powervr/insider/powervr-sdk.asp
Source code of samsung firmwares(keep and eye on this)
http://opensource.samsung.com/
Asus pad honeycomb Kernel Source
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1026528
ellokomen said:
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Find why SurfaceFlinger is not working
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Mmmk.. Let me tell you a story.
A long time ago in a galaxy far away... No, that will take too long. In a nutshell, one third of the answer is here, another third is here and the rest is here. I'm not trying to be intentionally vague, I just haven't figured out how these three fit together yet.
Of course, there could also be some bit of code that I missed... some telling line in a debug log that I overlooked or some driver or library that I could have decompiled to sift through its juicy secrets. There could easily be a fix that would take seconds to add and make the whole thing fall in line...
Or we might have to work it from the ground up.
Either way it will happen. It's just a matter of whether it will happen next week, or next month.
(Watch it be a misplaced semi-colon, or a bad symlink... that's how these things go.)
updated approaches and new tools have been added
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Mmmk.. Let me tell you a story.
A long time ago in a galaxy far away... No, that will take too long. In a nutshell, one third of the answer is here, another third is here and the rest is here. I'm not trying to be intentionally vague, I just haven't figured out how these three fit together yet.
Of course, there could also be some bit of code that I missed... some telling line in a debug log that I overlooked or some driver or library that I could have decompiled to sift through its juicy secrets. There could easily be a fix that would take seconds to add and make the whole thing fall in line...
Or we might have to work it from the ground up.
Either way it will happen. It's just a matter of whether it will happen next week, or next month.
(Watch it be a misplaced semi-colon, or a bad symlink... that's how these things go.)
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The kernel source that you have linked to is 2.6.35.7 for the Nexus S gingerbread and is not fully maintained by samsung but rather by google.
However I do not think you are wrong that there is a problem somewhere in the kernel. The kernel that has been released for the galaxy tab is a mess of horrid code, I have had to re-write parts of kernel drivers just to get them to work under linux, I would not be surprised if similar patches are needed for honeycomb
lilstevie said:
The kernel source that you have linked to is 2.6.35.7 for the Nexus S gingerbread and is not fully maintained by samsung but rather by google.
However I do not think you are wrong that there is a problem somewhere in the kernel. The kernel that has been released for the galaxy tab is a mess of horrid code, I have had to re-write parts of kernel drivers just to get them to work under linux, I would not be surprised if similar patches are needed for honeycomb
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you mean that you made a port of a Linux Distro into the tab?
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you mean that you made a port of a Linux Distro into the tab?
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yes click here for the thread on the port of ubuntu
Current kernel source
Do you guys have another link to the current spacemoose kernel source? The download link seems to be corrupted and won't untar. I want to get in on the fun
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Do you guys have another link to the current spacemoose kernel source? The download link seems to be corrupted and won't untar. I want to get in on the fun
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here it is, bear in mind that this is for CDMA devices
Unfortunatey, we have 4 other honeycomb threads.
Not trying to be rude but spacemoose updates us in the cdma forums AND we have russian rom updates in the gsm forums.
I really dislike the idea of this thread, there is enough clutter amongst the other threads. Do we really need one more place to browse..
The first posts in the roms thread are kept updated by devs.. Is this not enough??
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Unfortunatey, we have 4 other honeycomb threads.
Not trying to be rude but spacemoose updates us in the cdma forums AND we have russian rom updates in the gsm forums.
I really dislike the idea of this thread, there is enough clutter amongst the other threads. Do we really need one more place to browse..
The first posts in the roms thread are kept updated by devs.. Is this not enough??
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yeah but we need a place for the other devs to share their milestones, here is a place for technical discussion amongst us, to share the knowledge etc...
the other threads are flooded from non devs messages, so it´s kind of difficult to read 14 pages of information when the 80% is people complaining not making it boot
lilstevie said:
The kernel source that you have linked to is 2.6.35.7 for the Nexus S gingerbread and is not fully maintained by samsung but rather by google.
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Yes, and it contains some support for our device (s5pc110), and some more that can be added (pvr) and the architecture necessary to fully support HC without patching the build itself. If we work only towards patching the system build to communicate with the hardware, we won't be able to run AOSP hc versions when the source drops without going through the same painstaking process of hacking the system to function (while creating numerous faults causing FCs in the process). If we build a new kernel, we can get the hardware to communicate in the way future android versions want it to and we can then do what we want with ease.
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Do you guys have another link to the current spacemoose kernel source? The download link seems to be corrupted and won't untar. I want to get in on the fun
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D'oh! Nobody told me, LOL... I'll get another copy up.
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D'oh! Nobody told me, LOL... I'll get another copy up.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1026528
hey spacemoose! the first portion of honeycomb source... The kernel source of the Asus EEE Pad Transformer... maybe it helps you with a few kernel issues, even if it's for another device... It's honeycomb!
Flokey said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1026528
hey spacemoose! the first portion of honeycomb source... The kernel source of the Asus EEE Pad Transformer... maybe it helps you with a few kernel issues, even if it's for another device... It's honeycomb!
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Digging through it now.
spacemoose1 said:
Yes, and it contains some support for our device (s5pc110), and some more that can be added (pvr) and the architecture necessary to fully support HC without patching the build itself. If we work only towards patching the system build to communicate with the hardware, we won't be able to run AOSP hc versions when the source drops without going through the same painstaking process of hacking the system to function (while creating numerous faults causing FCs in the process). If we build a new kernel, we can get the hardware to communicate in the way future android versions want it to and we can then do what we want with ease.
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Not enough really, PVR kernel module sources have been released from samsung for our device, and is available in update1 zip.
The kernel panics and we have no framebuffer from the nexus s, believe me that is the kernel I want to be running for my project, it is cleaner nicer and things are implemented overall better. unless you know of a solution for kernel debuging over usb
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Not enough really, PVR kernel module sources have been released from samsung for our device, and is available in update1 zip.
The kernel panics and we have no framebuffer from the nexus s, believe me that is the kernel I want to be running for my project, it is cleaner nicer and things are implemented overall better. unless you know of a solution for kernel debuging over usb
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Kernel debugging over USB = adb shell cat /proc/kmsg
You can make any kernel work for any device as long as you add the **** it needs. Just takes time. Working on it now.
Goal and tools updated*
spacemoose1 said:
Kernel debugging over USB = adb shell cat /proc/kmsg
You can make any kernel work for any device as long as you add the **** it needs. Just takes time. Working on it now.
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You don't know what a kernel panic is do you?
lilstevie said:
You don't know what a kernel panic is do you?
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I thought that linux throws a dump log when it makes a kernel panic specifying the memory address and the cause of crash
People have always asked me (and I've always asked people) what does * mean. * being the thing you are asking. Most of the time you will probably guess or ask. If you ask you could be making your self easily a noob.
I have made this in order to help. If you see a mistake or incorrect definition please tell me so I can correct it.
* - anything and everything possible. A good example would be "All my friends live at 10* Croxley Street." This is saying that they are all live at 100, 101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 106, 107, 108 and 109.
Dev - See developer.
Developer - A man or woman who has created (developed) software.
ROM - 1. A modified version of the Android operating system operating system. 2. Read Only Memory, a place where information is stored and can not be destroyed, modified or written to.
AOSP - "Android open source project" a project by Google Inc. to give android to developers and manufactures for free (see open-source)
Open-source - (not to be confussed with free) A peice of software that is free to edit, use, distribute and share with no charge.
CM - See cyanogenmod
Cyanogenmod - A free open-source project based on the AOSP. It is a modded (see modded) version of the Android firmware
Firmware - see ROM (1)
Stock - An unchanged version of something. Example: I just flashed stock sense
OTA - "Over the air" a term used to indicate software that was sent to phones directly through the internet to their phones.
FOTA - "Firmware over the air" this normally refers to ROM's but can refer to radio firmware (see OTA)
Firmware - a piece of software to make hardware function correctly. This can refer to Radio Firmware, but is normally used as another name for ROM (1)
Radio - (not to be confused with Radio Firmware) A piece of hardware that allows communication. There are 3 main radios in your phone. Bluetooth, WiFi and GSM/CDMA.
Radio Firmware - (see firmware) a type of software that allows correct communication with the radio and the operating system. A newer firmware would normally improve battery life and call quality. The radio firmware only applies to the CDMA/GSM radio.
CDMA/GSM - A type of network communication between phones and carriers. GSM phones normally are included with SIM Cards that authorize them onto the network. CDMA have this authorization built in and do not need a sim card.
Kernel - An important part of all operating systems that handles the CPU and other vital components. A modded kernel may be used for overclocking.
Overclock - (not to be confused with underclock) to exced the default maximum CPU speed. This could make a phone more powerful but may cause damage. Although no damaged has been reported so far it could still drain battery life.
Underclock - to change your phones maximum frequency to LOWER than the default to attempt to extend the phones lifespan and battery.
Mod - A modification to a part of the phones software. It is also POSSIBLE to mod the phones hardware but is not recommended.
Modding - To perform a mod
Modded - to have included mods
Modification - see mod
Governor - a system embedded into the kernel to automatically change the current working CPU frequency depending on the workload. It would only go up to what it is overclocked (or underclocked) to, this is called the maximum frequency. It would not drop bellow the (just as eaisly configurable) minimum frequency.
Library's/Libs - a set of instructions for applications to use to function. A functioning camera lib would allow the camera to be used.
WFS - "Wildfire S" an armv6 device made by HTC in 2011.
Logcat - A logging system built into the ADB
ADB - "Android Debug Bridge" a system that can be accessed using a computer where you can manage the device from. You need the Android SDK to use it.
SDK - "Software Development Kit" a set of tools used for software development.
WIP - "Work In Progress"
JDK - "Java Development Kit" an SDK for the java platform. It is needed to run the Android SDK.
JRE - "Java Runtime Environment" a collection of binarys and files to allow java software to execute.
Execute - To "run" or "start" a binary
Binarys - (sometimes called bin's) a group of executable files.
RAM - Could be one of three meanings: 1. Memory for the CPU to process processes. 2. Random Access Memory, a place where information can be used, executed from, modified, or deleted. 3. A type of sheep.
SD - Short term for MicroSD
Marvel - A gsm version of the phone
Marvelc - The cdma version of the phone
Marvelct - A rare Easten CDMA version of the phone.
Marvel* - all versions of the HTC Wildfire S (see *)
GB - Could mean one of two things. 1. Gingerbread or 2. Great Britain
Gingerbread - Android 2.3
Froyo - Android 2.2
Honeycomb - Android 3.x. it was never released or ported to the wildfire s because it was built for tablets.
Ice cream sandwich/ICS - Android 4.0. The latest version of Android.
CM9 - Cyanogenmod 9. A modified version of ICS. (see cm)
RUU - "ROM Update Utility" An automatic installer for Radio Firmware, ROM and HBOOT
HBOOT - The bootloader for all modern HTC Android phones.
Custom recovery - A o version of the stock HTC recovery to install unoffical ROMs.
AFAIK - "As far as I know"
KANG - The process of creating a code based of someone else's code.
Zipalligned - This is something that makes a ROM faster. If you can improve this please contact me!
Deodexed - Where ODEX files are moved into the actual applications
APK - "Android Package" an Android application
Cache - A temporary collection of files that are created to speed up an app. A cache/cached file can be cleared without any loss of important data.
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Good idea !
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Developer - A man or women who has created (developed) software.
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So, are you trying to say it takes only one man but more than one woman to develop software, or is that a typo?
CafeKampuchia said:
So, are you trying to say it takes only one man but more than one woman to develop software, or is that a typo?
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Typo lol
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benjamingwynn said:
* - anything and everything possible. A good example would be "All my friends live at 10* Croxley Street." This is saying that they are all live at 10, 100, 101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 106, 107, 108, 109, 10a, 10A, 10X, 105083b, 10e3.4dq!3 ....
Asterisk can stand for every value like you say, but that includes nothing, characters, signs and multiple characters and/or numbers and/or signs
ROM - 1. A modified version of the Android operating system. 2. Read Only Memory, a place where information is stored and can not be destroyed, modified or written to.
operating system has been doubled
-- Firmware - see ROM (1)
Firmware - a piece of software to make hardware function correctly. This can refer to Radio Firmware, but is normally used as another name for ROM (1)
Firmware is doubled
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Nice done, just a few changes i would recommend if i'm allowed to
I changed and marked it directly at the quoted text
Will add this to the index, thx for doing it
Awesome info appreciate it
Good one......I don't know if the moderator sees this but if you do.....STICKY PLEASE!!!!!
what does KANG means?
dream707 said:
what does KANG means?
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I don't know, asked around and google didn't help.
I wana to know，too
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There is a definition here: http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Terminology
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Mazer.one said:
There is a definition here: http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Terminology
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Done.
This should be sticked
MrTaco505 said:
This should be sticked
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I agree.
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Really a good dictionary
Thankyou for helping us
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MrTaco505 said:
This should be sticked
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And so it has.
SomeDudeOnTheNet said:
And so it has.
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I contacted an admin
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benjamingwynn said:
I contacted an admin
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That I know.
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Well, this thread is actually originally from Wildfire S forum. I found it useful, so I posted it here with a little bit of extras to help you guys to understand what does **** mean.
Dev - See developer.
Developer - A man or woman who has created (developed) software. Eg, Acro68
ROM - 1. A modified version of the Android operating system operating system. 2. Read Only Memory, a place where information is stored and can not be destroyed, modified or written to.
AOSP - "Android open source project" a project by Google Inc. to give android to developers and manufactures for free (see open-source)
Open-source - (not to be confussed with free) A peice of software that is free to edit, use, distribute and share with no charge.
CM - See cyanogenmod
Cyanogenmod - A free open-source project based on the AOSP. It is a modded (see modded) version of the Android firmware
Firmware - see ROM (1)
Stock - An unchanged version of something. Example: I just flashed stock Samsung firmware.
OTA - "Over the air" a term used to indicate software that was sent to phones directly through the internet to their phones.
FOTA - "Firmware over the air" this normally refers to ROM's but can refer to radio firmware (see OTA)
Firmware - a piece of software to make hardware function correctly. This can refer to Radio Firmware, but is normally used as another name for ROM (1)
Radio - (not to be confused with Radio Firmware) A piece of hardware that allows communication. There are 3 main radios in your phone. Bluetooth, WiFi and GSM/CDMA.
Radio Firmware - (see firmware) a type of software that allows correct communication with the radio and the operating system. A newer firmware would normally improve battery life and call quality. The radio firmware only applies to the CDMA/GSM radio.
CDMA/GSM - A type of network communication between phones and carriers. GSM phones normally are included with SIM Cards that authorize them onto the network. CDMA have this authorization built in and do not need a sim card.
Kernel - An important part of all operating systems that handles the CPU and other vital components. A modded kernel may be used for overclocking.
Overclock - (not to be confused with underclock) to exced the default maximum CPU speed. This could make a phone more powerful but may cause damage. Although no damaged has been reported so far it could still drain battery life.
Underclock - to change your phones maximum frequency to LOWER than the default to attempt to extend the phones lifespan and battery.
Mod - A modification to a part of the phones software. It is also POSSIBLE to mod the phones hardware but is not recommended.
Modding - To perform a mod
Modded - to have included mods
Modification - see mod
Governor - a system embedded into the kernel to automatically change the current working CPU frequency depending on the workload. It would only go up to what it is overclocked (or underclocked) to, this is called the maximum frequency. It would not drop bellow the (just as eaisly configurable) minimum frequency.
Library's/Libs - a set of instructions for applications to use to function. A functioning camera lib would allow the camera to be used.
Logcat - A logging system built into the ADB
ADB - "Android Debug Bridge" a system that can be accessed using a computer where you can manage the device from. You need the Android SDK to use it.
SDK - "Software Development Kit" a set of tools used for software development.
WIP - "Work In Progress"
JDK - "Java Development Kit" an SDK for the java platform. It is needed to run the Android SDK.
JRE - "Java Runtime Environment" a collection of binarys and files to allow java software to execute.
Execute - To "run" or "start" a binary
Binarys - (sometimes called bin's) a group of executable files.
RAM - Could be one of three meanings: 1. Memory for the CPU to process processes. 2. Random Access Memory, a place where information can be used, executed from, modified, or deleted. 3. A type of sheep.
SD - Short term for MicroSD
GB - Could mean one of two things. 1. Gingerbread or 2. Great Britain
Gingerbread - Android 2.3
Froyo - Android 2.2
Honeycomb - Android 3.x. it was never released or ported to the Galaxy W because it was built for tablets.
Ice cream sandwich/ICS - Android 4.0. The latest version of Android.
CM9 - Cyanogenmod 9. A modified version of ICS. (see cm)
Kies - Update utilities, used to backup and update firmware.
Odin - A tool for updating firmware.
Custom recovery - An unofficial version of the recovery to install unoffical ROMs.
AFAIK - "As far as I know"n Android application
KANG - The process of creating a code based of someone else's code.
Zipalligned - This is something that makes a ROM faster. If you can improve this please contact me!
Deodexed - Where ODEX files are moved into the actual applications
APK - "Android Package" an Android application, Eg XDAFree.apk
If Any One More Info Please Post Hare.............
manoranjan2050 said:
Well, this thread is actually originally from Wildfire S forum. I found it useful, so I posted it here with a little bit of extras to help you guys to understand what does **** mean.
Dev - See developer.
Developer - A man or woman who has created (developed) software. Eg, Acro68
ROM - 1. A modified version of the Android operating system operating system. 2. Read Only Memory, a place where information is stored and can not be destroyed, modified or written to.
AOSP - "Android open source project" a project by Google Inc. to give android to developers and manufactures for free (see open-source)
Open-source - (not to be confussed with free) A peice of software that is free to edit, use, distribute and share with no charge.
CM - See cyanogenmod
Cyanogenmod - A free open-source project based on the AOSP. It is a modded (see modded) version of the Android firmware
Firmware - see ROM (1)
Stock - An unchanged version of something. Example: I just flashed stock Samsung firmware.
OTA - "Over the air" a term used to indicate software that was sent to phones directly through the internet to their phones.
FOTA - "Firmware over the air" this normally refers to ROM's but can refer to radio firmware (see OTA)
Firmware - a piece of software to make hardware function correctly. This can refer to Radio Firmware, but is normally used as another name for ROM (1)
Radio - (not to be confused with Radio Firmware) A piece of hardware that allows communication. There are 3 main radios in your phone. Bluetooth, WiFi and GSM/CDMA.
Radio Firmware - (see firmware) a type of software that allows correct communication with the radio and the operating system. A newer firmware would normally improve battery life and call quality. The radio firmware only applies to the CDMA/GSM radio.
CDMA/GSM - A type of network communication between phones and carriers. GSM phones normally are included with SIM Cards that authorize them onto the network. CDMA have this authorization built in and do not need a sim card.
Kernel - An important part of all operating systems that handles the CPU and other vital components. A modded kernel may be used for overclocking.
Overclock - (not to be confused with underclock) to exced the default maximum CPU speed. This could make a phone more powerful but may cause damage. Although no damaged has been reported so far it could still drain battery life.
Underclock - to change your phones maximum frequency to LOWER than the default to attempt to extend the phones lifespan and battery.
Mod - A modification to a part of the phones software. It is also POSSIBLE to mod the phones hardware but is not recommended.
Modding - To perform a mod
Modded - to have included mods
Modification - see mod
Governor - a system embedded into the kernel to automatically change the current working CPU frequency depending on the workload. It would only go up to what it is overclocked (or underclocked) to, this is called the maximum frequency. It would not drop bellow the (just as eaisly configurable) minimum frequency.
Library's/Libs - a set of instructions for applications to use to function. A functioning camera lib would allow the camera to be used.
Logcat - A logging system built into the ADB
ADB - "Android Debug Bridge" a system that can be accessed using a computer where you can manage the device from. You need the Android SDK to use it.
SDK - "Software Development Kit" a set of tools used for software development.
WIP - "Work In Progress"
JDK - "Java Development Kit" an SDK for the java platform. It is needed to run the Android SDK.
JRE - "Java Runtime Environment" a collection of binarys and files to allow java software to execute.
Execute - To "run" or "start" a binary
Binarys - (sometimes called bin's) a group of executable files.
RAM - Could be one of three meanings: 1. Memory for the CPU to process processes. 2. Random Access Memory, a place where information can be used, executed from, modified, or deleted. 3. A type of sheep.
SD - Short term for MicroSD
GB - Could mean one of two things. 1. Gingerbread or 2. Great Britain
Gingerbread - Android 2.3
Froyo - Android 2.2
Honeycomb - Android 3.x. it was never released or ported to the Galaxy W because it was built for tablets.
Ice cream sandwich/ICS - Android 4.0. The latest version of Android.
CM9 - Cyanogenmod 9. A modified version of ICS. (see cm)
Kies - Update utilities, used to backup and update firmware.
Odin - A tool for updating firmware.
Custom recovery - An unofficial version of the recovery to install unoffical ROMs.
AFAIK - "As far as I know"n Android application
KANG - The process of creating a code based of someone else's code.
Zipalligned - This is something that makes a ROM faster. If you can improve this please contact me!
Deodexed - Where ODEX files are moved into the actual applications
APK - "Android Package" an Android application, Eg XDAFree.apk
If Any One More Info Please Post Hare.............
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fine......
but u cant say it wikipedia
lol......
manoranjan2050 said:
Well, this thread is actually originally from Wildfire S forum. I found it useful, so I posted it here with a little bit of extras to help you guys to understand what does **** mean.
Dev - See developer.
Developer - A man or woman who has created (developed) software. Eg, Acro68
ROM - 1. A modified version of the Android operating system operating system. 2. Read Only Memory, a place where information is stored and can not be destroyed, modified or written to.
AOSP - "Android open source project" a project by Google Inc. to give android to developers and manufactures for free (see open-source)
Open-source - (not to be confussed with free) A peice of software that is free to edit, use, distribute and share with no charge.
CM - See cyanogenmod
Cyanogenmod - A free open-source project based on the AOSP. It is a modded (see modded) version of the Android firmware
Firmware - see ROM (1)
Stock - An unchanged version of something. Example: I just flashed stock Samsung firmware.
OTA - "Over the air" a term used to indicate software that was sent to phones directly through the internet to their phones.
FOTA - "Firmware over the air" this normally refers to ROM's but can refer to radio firmware (see OTA)
Firmware - a piece of software to make hardware function correctly. This can refer to Radio Firmware, but is normally used as another name for ROM (1)
Radio - (not to be confused with Radio Firmware) A piece of hardware that allows communication. There are 3 main radios in your phone. Bluetooth, WiFi and GSM/CDMA.
Radio Firmware - (see firmware) a type of software that allows correct communication with the radio and the operating system. A newer firmware would normally improve battery life and call quality. The radio firmware only applies to the CDMA/GSM radio.
CDMA/GSM - A type of network communication between phones and carriers. GSM phones normally are included with SIM Cards that authorize them onto the network. CDMA have this authorization built in and do not need a sim card.
Kernel - An important part of all operating systems that handles the CPU and other vital components. A modded kernel may be used for overclocking.
Overclock - (not to be confused with underclock) to exced the default maximum CPU speed. This could make a phone more powerful but may cause damage. Although no damaged has been reported so far it could still drain battery life.
Underclock - to change your phones maximum frequency to LOWER than the default to attempt to extend the phones lifespan and battery.
Mod - A modification to a part of the phones software. It is also POSSIBLE to mod the phones hardware but is not recommended.
Modding - To perform a mod
Modded - to have included mods
Modification - see mod
Governor - a system embedded into the kernel to automatically change the current working CPU frequency depending on the workload. It would only go up to what it is overclocked (or underclocked) to, this is called the maximum frequency. It would not drop bellow the (just as eaisly configurable) minimum frequency.
Library's/Libs - a set of instructions for applications to use to function. A functioning camera lib would allow the camera to be used.
Logcat - A logging system built into the ADB
ADB - "Android Debug Bridge" a system that can be accessed using a computer where you can manage the device from. You need the Android SDK to use it.
SDK - "Software Development Kit" a set of tools used for software development.
WIP - "Work In Progress"
JDK - "Java Development Kit" an SDK for the java platform. It is needed to run the Android SDK.
JRE - "Java Runtime Environment" a collection of binarys and files to allow java software to execute.
Execute - To "run" or "start" a binary
Binarys - (sometimes called bin's) a group of executable files.
RAM - Could be one of three meanings: 1. Memory for the CPU to process processes. 2. Random Access Memory, a place where information can be used, executed from, modified, or deleted. 3. A type of sheep.
SD - Short term for MicroSD
GB - Could mean one of two things. 1. Gingerbread or 2. Great Britain
Gingerbread - Android 2.3
Froyo - Android 2.2
Honeycomb - Android 3.x. it was never released or ported to the Galaxy W because it was built for tablets.
Ice cream sandwich/ICS - Android 4.0. The latest version of Android.
CM9 - Cyanogenmod 9. A modified version of ICS. (see cm)
Kies - Update utilities, used to backup and update firmware.
Odin - A tool for updating firmware.
Custom recovery - An unofficial version of the recovery to install unoffical ROMs.
AFAIK - "As far as I know"n Android application
KANG - The process of creating a code based of someone else's code.
Zipalligned - This is something that makes a ROM faster. If you can improve this please contact me!
Deodexed - Where ODEX files are moved into the actual applications
APK - "Android Package" an Android application, Eg XDAFree.apk
If Any One More Info Please Post Hare.............
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You can call it AndroPedia. BTW, great work!
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We Dont Know How to use /Quote feature???????????
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HOW TO USE THE LITLLE QUOTE
anasdcool71 said:
You can call it AndroPedia. BTW, great work!
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ANDROPEDIA
...... hmmmm sounds good
Hi,
I wanted to ask some question so please we should keep this thread as short and qualitative as possible, so
1) I want to have a custom ROM (CM in this case) but without transforming my device in to a Xperia S especially without loosing the CPU power, normally - with what I know- the kernel should detect the processor as a 1.7 ghz but I read that if you put the Xperia S ROM it won't so (will see it as 1.5 which is STRANGE to me), is there any CM for xperia sl (It sounds rhetorical to me as I searched and didn't find - looked up also freexperia) so basically what should I edit/do to get one?
2) I saw some projects on hardening the kernel (with grsec, yeah spender did a "nice" job, although Ac1db3atch3s crashed gradm ), so what should I do to put a hardened kernel in to the above ROM? I'm not particularly interested in "paranoid-secure" kernel , but more in to a flexible / light / USEFUL / robust one , so which one you recommend (with what patches) and how do I build everything and put it on CM ? [I'm on Arch Linux but I have also Windows if that it's a MUST]
3) Even after installing busybox , the system is still far from Linux as there are missing options like for example, lsof it's just lsof with no options, netstat is without "-e or -p" although it is as an option but doesn't show the processes or details, ls is lacking of -h and -c , and this question maybe returns to #2 as maybe there is a ROM out there with already packed "correct" binaries.
What should I do to get those?
4) What are the best applications you recommend (I saw guardianproject but not particularly interested in tor sub applications) to have full control on what's going on the OS?
Thanks.
0fo said:
Hi,
I wanted to ask some question so please we should keep this thread as short and qualitative as possible, so
1) I want to have a custom ROM (CM in this case) but without transforming my device in to a Xperia S especially without loosing the CPU power, normally - with what I know- the kernel should detect the processor as a 1.7 ghz but I read that if you put the Xperia S ROM it won't so (will see it as 1.5 which is STRANGE to me), is there any CM for xperia sl (It sounds rhetorical to me as I searched and didn't find - looked up also freexperia) so basically what should I edit/do to get one?
2) I saw some projects on hardening the kernel (with grsec, yeah spender did a "nice" job, although Ac1db3atch3s crashed gradm ), so what should I do to put a hardened kernel in to the above ROM? I'm not particularly interested in "paranoid-secure" kernel , but more in to a flexible / light / USEFUL / robust one , so which one you recommend (with what patches) and how do I build everything and put it on CM ? [I'm on Arch Linux but I have also Windows if that it's a MUST]
3) Even after installing busybox , the system is still far from Linux as there are missing options like for example, lsof it's just lsof with no options, netstat is without "-e or -p" although it is as an option but doesn't show the processes or details, ls is lacking of -h and -c , and this question maybe returns to #2 as maybe there is a ROM out there with already packed "correct" binaries.
What should I do to get those?
4) What are the best applications you recommend (I saw guardianproject but not particularly interested in tor sub applications) to have full control on what's going on the OS?
Thanks.
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Hello @0fo,
I'd try to be as qualitative as possible (As you mentioned)
1.) A Custom Rom won't affect the CPU speed of 1.7GHz, It is the Kernels that can give you other CPU speeds.
So after installation you need to edit the kernal using third party tweaks. And considering the research you have done This wont be so hard to overclock.
2.) About Hardened Kernals, You can not do anything right now. Only Stable Kernels Available Are For Nexus Devices. . For Building Your Own Kernal And ROM Please refer to Guides Available for The Same.
3.) Unable to Understand Completely, A little more feedback on your problem would help.
4.) For Complete Control on the OS. You dont need applications but a working compiler and modding shell, Not much can be done from phone itself.
Install Android kitchen and Cagywin. You would have complete control.
If my time given to you was helpful please press thanks button!
dwarkesh2492 said:
Hello @0fo,
I'd try to be as qualitative as possible (As you mentioned)
1.) A Custom Rom won't affect the CPU speed of 1.7GHz, It is the Kernels that can give you other CPU speeds.
So after installation you need to edit the kernal using third party tweaks. And considering the research you have done This wont be so hard to overclock.
2.) About Hardened Kernals, You can not do anything right now. Only Stable Kernels Available Are For Nexus Devices. . For Building Your Own Kernal And ROM Please refer to Guides Available for The Same.
3.) Unable to Understand Completely, A little more feedback on your problem would help.
4.) For Complete Control on the OS. You dont need applications but a working compiler and modding shell, Not much can be done from phone itself.
Install Android kitchen and Cagywin. You would have complete control.
If my time given to you was helpful please press thanks button!
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Thank you for your reply,
1) When I mentioned ROM and not the kernel I was referring to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2245327 under "General" which says "Any ROM for S will Work for SL BUT you lose 1.7GH Speed" So what should I do, should I download the "nozomi" image and than tweak ? Even though I don't know were to tweak or how because I'm new to android and I rooted my phone just yesterday, but I have experience with Linux systems / also enterprise.
2) Yep
3) On Linux when I want to list files/dirs I run ls -aclh but -c and -h options are missing on the ls binary installed on my phone, also while using netstat and lsof some useful options are missing, it's like the system is build to not let you know which process is using X connection and you can't track which process has opened the socket , for example I see a socket communicating with a amazon cloud server constantly on port 4244 or similar but don't know what and why which makes me curious.
4) will try those out.