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[Q] Good non-Sense Froyo ROM?

I got me a Desire from Telus a few days ago and i'm looking into rooting and installing ROMs, but i'm not really sure where to start (there seem to be a LOT of choices). I'm not a fan of Sense at all so anything that doesn't include HTC's fluff will probably get my attention.
Thanks!

im currently running opendesire...
pretty much stock 2.2 with a few tweaks, really quick, and no crap.
either that or defrost which is more tweaked and modded.
these are the only 2 active aosp roms that i have seen lately..
the crappy sense ones have kind of taken over

CM Wave said:
I got me a Desire from Telus a few days ago and i'm looking into rooting and installing ROMs, but i'm not really sure where to start (there seem to be a LOT of choices). I'm not a fan of Sense at all so anything that doesn't include HTC's fluff will probably get my attention.
Thanks!
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I'd strongly recommend OpenDesire . It's basically vanilla froyo, with a few minor modifications/optimisations. It's compiled from source (it isn't a mod of a nexus one or HTC rom), and so is fast and clean. It's also being updated regularly in response to bug reports.

How's OpenDesire with battery life? Would I see an improvement or would it be pretty much the same thing?

I'm having the same "problem" really. I now run some near to HTC's stock Froyo rom. I'm sure I found it on XDA somewhere but it wasn't from a well-known dev.
I only installed a rom with Sense because of the black bar, since I purchased LauncherPro. But now that the black bar is ripped perfectly I don't see a reason not to run OpenDesire.
All I want is speed and good battery life.

I think that if i didnt care for the sense UI id first try Cyanogens rom...

I'm running CyanogenMod's nightly build on Desire and I really love it.

CM Wave said:
How's OpenDesire with battery life? Would I see an improvement or would it be pretty much the same thing?
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With OpenDesire 3.1.0 and lates radio X.X.20 I got 2-3 days of battery life depending on the use of the phone. Normally I have 3G enabled almost 80-90% of the time.

Which is better : OpenDesire or DeFrost ???

Yes too bad so few NON SENSE ROM....

deepakoffline said:
Which is better : OpenDesire or DeFrost ???
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Hmmmm, good one, not sure to be honest, the 1st ROM I tried was DeFroST, and loved it, a few days ago I tried Opendesire 3.10, and now I bounce between the 2, as I can't decide.
No help I know, but had to give my thoughts.

deepakoffline said:
Which is better : OpenDesire or DeFrost ???
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Was using OD from version 2.xxx up to 3.1.0 but switched to Defrost 2.6a for two reasons:
1. Auto brightness is working (like in Sense ROMs) i.e. not too dimmed and that's out of the box.
2. My photos/videos taken with the camera app are recognised by my PCs and so can be transferred. In OD unfortunately cannot be seen.
Both ROMs are great vanilla stock like froyo an in my opinion the best ones. Try them both and stick to the one you like more.

AzureusPT said:
With OpenDesire 3.1.0 and lates radio X.X.20 I got 2-3 days of battery life depending on the use of the phone. Normally I have 3G enabled almost 80-90% of the time.
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Yep I have the same experience with OD3.1.0 and radio .20, I did download a weather widget from the market and it sucked the life from the battery, so got rid of the widget, all good now. Had no probs with the OJ dying yet, so cant comment on the power usage once the OJ dies.

Running OD 3.1 too
Love it and really see no use for the Sense UI on Android due to the availability of widgets.

Just question: why isn't MODACO present on XDA?
there's also one more ROM...
[FROYO-OTA] Psychosis 3.0 No Sense Deodexed A2SD+ AdBlock VERY FAST 720p

Are there any ROMs that offer undervolting or a specific focus on battery life?

CM Wave said:
Are there any ROMs that offer undervolting or a specific focus on battery life?
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Undervolting made my desire go wobbly, but not everyones. Defrost was and is doing lots of uv, uvoc, and oc ing.
Hope it helps
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CM Wave said:
Are there any ROMs that offer undervolting or a specific focus on battery life?
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Not that i know of.
Having tried leedroid, defrost, shadowfrost, opendesire, nextsense and neophyte id have to say opendesire has very good battery life compared to the others. Defrost is the most snappy, but it drains the battery like a mofo.

The_limit said:
Not that i know of.
Having tried leedroid, defrost, shadowfrost, opendesire, nextsense and neophyte id have to say opendesire has very good battery life compared to the others. Defrost is the most snappy, but it drains the battery like a mofo.
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I found the opposite, DeFroST seems to last longer than OD on my phone.

What is the difference between Myn Warm and MikFroyo?

These 2 seem to be the most popular Sense based rom's (at least in my opinion from what I have noticed.)
So I was wondering, what are the major/main differences between these 2 roms?
Thank you,
Whiteice

beside their looks? not real sure. But I can't say much. I've never tried either of them

They are both 3.70 base but i believe mik removed all extra stuff like additional languages from the ROM to stream line it. Both are solid and you should be happy with either one
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These 2 seem to be the most popular Sense based rom's (at least in my opinion from what I have noticed.)
So I was wondering, what are the major/main differences between these 2 roms?
Thank you,
Whiteice
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MikFroYo is faster and like above post has lots if useless files removed that can be recovered if you want.
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Alfa testing HDMI
MikFroYo V4.5
HTC #15
Amon's Recovery

I've tried both and they are obviously similar since they are both Sense based ROMs off of the newest release... I will say that Mik seems a little faster, but both are nice. The differences are in themes basically and I'm sure some things "behind the scenes" that you really wont notice... Just try them both...

I have just flashed both within the past week, and I have to say I like Myn's better. I can easily go 3 days without a charge, but with the MikFroyo it would die the same as stock, about 10 hours.

MikFroYo: his rom focuses more on performance than looks. Besides removing bloatware and files we don't use (like language files), he zipaligns all the apks (seemingly a different way each update) and otherwise mods it for speed and stability.
Myn: his rom focuses more on looks than speed. His rom is heavily themed and includes all the extras. It's not too much slower than MikFroyo (some people don't notice a difference, but power users like me do).
Myn's rom has more additional themes and add ons than MikFroYo, but MikFroYo have a few that really rock.
I might also suggest Konikub's Elite Series I. It's kind of the in-between from Mik to Myn. It's faster than Myn but more themed than MikFroYo. Plus, it has a themed messenger APP (not just the widget, the whole damn app) which is what I've been looking for.
However, to really notice and see the differences you'll have to try them out. All three roms are stable, with very few (if any) bugs (I couldn't find any) and have all the features of a stock Evo. They all even have a few more features that stock doesn't have
I highly recommend that you try them.
Also, what kernel you have attached can determine battery life and speed performance as well. The conquering winner is Netarchy's kernels (4.3.1 is the most recent stable version with 4.3.2 in beta...both work well) but I use MS79723's SBC #15 v7 which helps a little more with battery life (in my opinion) despite the bad joojoo that SBC has the potential to do battery damage.

sitlet said:
I have just flashed both within the past week, and I have to say I like Myn's better. I can easily go 3 days without a charge, but with the MikFroyo it would die the same as stock, about 10 hours.
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Wow, What are you using for a kernel? The most I got with Myns is 14 hours with medium use (texting throughout the day, an hour of calls, 4 hours or so of web, push email/calander). I am using netarchy more havs no sbc. Are you using juicedefender or the like?

Good thread, I also have the same question. Looks like there is a ton of variation about which rom focuses on what too (speed vs. looks)

i like Myns a lot and performance was just as good as Mik .... but i have been trying Ava Z3 and i love it. I also added Calkulin (misspelled sorrry) battery tweak kernel and i go about 15 hours with alot of emails and text as well as internet. Try Ava out with the battery tweak kernel and see how that works for ya ... and make sure u give the kernel a couple of days to settle in..

Robbsta said:
Wow, What are you using for a kernel? The most I got with Myns is 14 hours with medium use (texting throughout the day, an hour of calls, 4 hours or so of web, push email/calander). I am using netarchy more havs no sbc. Are you using juicedefender or the like?
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Just whatever kernal came with the rom, #15 I believe. I do use Setcpu, with a fairly aggressive profile to keep cpu speeds down.

Would you all mind linking to the kernel's you are talking about as well as the battery tweak so I can check them out?
Thank you,
Whiteice

using both i can say that myns is a great rom, looks great, but any mikfroyo rom blows it away with speed. Try them out for yourself. Me personally I prefer mikfroyo/kings ultra (mikfroyo based) for the speed factor

Success100 said:
using both i can say that myns is a great rom, looks great, but any mikfroyo rom blows it away with speed. Try them out for yourself. Me personally I prefer mikfroyo/kings ultra (mikfroyo based) for the speed factor
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Couldn't of said it better....mikfroyo all the way
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Most sense based roms have very little diffrence besides themes and minor changes. some remove more then others (which can be done relatively easy if you take a little time to learn what can and cant be removed).
themes you can also change... with a little effort youc an acctually mix and match diffrent elements to get your own theme pretty easily. All standalone sense themes work with all roms of the appropriate version (ie 3.70) so really it depends on what rom is closest to what you want formt he start and how lazy you are .
There used tob e scirpts to remove most of sense, bloatware, and excess crap for you but msot are still update_script and havent switched to update + binary yet.
All in all in my opinion there is no BEST rom. with a little tweaking you can get almost any sense based rom to run and look as well as any other.
As for the guy claiming 30+ hours ... it doesnt count if you dont actually use your phone. dont get excited people only the lightest of use will let you get anywhere close to 30 hours. The average person is going to get between 12-18 hours based on there use and settings on any rom.

omegasun18 said:
Most sense based roms have very little diffrence besides themes and minor changes. some remove more then others (which can be done relatively easy if you take a little time to learn what can and cant be removed).
themes you can also change... with a little effort youc an acctually mix and match diffrent elements to get your own theme pretty easily. All standalone sense themes work with all roms of the appropriate version (ie 3.70) so really it depends on what rom is closest to what you want formt he start and how lazy you are .
There used tob e scirpts to remove most of sense, bloatware, and excess crap for you but msot are still update_script and havent switched to update + binary yet.
All in all in my opinion there is no BEST rom. with a little tweaking you can get almost any sense based rom to run and look as well as any other.
As for the guy claiming 30+ hours ... it doesnt count if you dont actually use your phone. dont get excited people only the lightest of use will let you get anywhere close to 30 hours. The average person is going to get between 12-18 hours based on there use and settings on any rom.
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gotta disagree with you on that one buddy. for advanced users I do agree but for the average xda member who doesnt know how to zipalign apps and scripts and stuff like that mikfroyo based roms (aside from CM) are the fastest roms. Im not saying in anyway that other roms are inferior, just saying this is a MAJOR speed difference between mikfroyo based vs all others.

AbsolutZeroGI said:
MikFroYo: his rom focuses more on performance than looks. Besides removing bloatware and files we don't use (like language files), he zipaligns all the apks (seemingly a different way each update) and otherwise mods it for speed and stability.
Myn: his rom focuses more on looks than speed. His rom is heavily themed and includes all the extras. It's not too much slower than MikFroyo (some people don't notice a difference, but power users like me do).
Myn's rom has more additional themes and add ons than MikFroYo, but MikFroYo have a few that really rock.
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I think that's about the best, most concise, summary comparing the two. They are both good. Mik's is faster/leaner (IME) and Myn's is prettier (IMO).
The great thing is it is pretty easy to try them both and see for yourself which one you prefer - and then you can still customize the heck out of either one afterward.

Running Laucher Pro, should I ditch HTC Sense?

Ever since I found Launcher Pro I've never used anything else.
I'm running SkyRaider 3.5 (which is HTC Sense) and I'm wondering if I should go to an AOSP ROM like CM7.
I'm wondering:
> Will it be faster than current setup?
> Will it be better on battery than current setup?
Let me know, thanks.

Battery and speed will improve depending on which kernal you use. The main advantage to using a AOSP ROM for me was better bluetooth support. I can't use wii controlers with my emulators using Sense but I can if I use a non-Sense ROM like CM6 or CM7. Shows you what I look for in a ROM doesn't it.

Doesn't Skyraider offer a senseless version of the Skyraider ROM?

POQbum said:
Ever since I found Launcher Pro I've never used anything else.
I'm running SkyRaider 3.5 (which is HTC Sense) and I'm wondering if I should go to an AOSP ROM like CM7.
I'm wondering:
> Will it be faster than current setup?
> Will it be better on battery than current setup?
Let me know, thanks.
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Speed will depend, more likely than not it will be a bit speedier and better on battery IMO. I have been running CM7 with the Savaged-Zen kernel and i got over a day and a half out of it, that with setcpu at 128/1113 with smartass governor.

I used to stick with Sense based ROMS because they where just so smooth and stable, but now im with AOSP ROMS like CM7 and a few others. I use launcher pro and its awesome. The customization of AOSP ROMS are pretty much endless, and they give you a cleaned up Android. Id give it a try, just make a back up of SkyRaider then download the latest CM7 RC.

@OP
I was in your shoes about a week after using the phone after I bought it.
Went AOSP and haven't gone back except for the occasional, lets see if somehow the grass somehow decided to paint itself greener and became super plants.
I recommend AOSP completely. It's alot more of a streamlined android experience, and IMO lets you really customize the OS to work for you, rather than having to work with sense.
Not saying sense is bad or anything, it's my favorite non stock rom, but AOSP is just above and beyond for me.
Although incredibly re-engineered had me off AOSP for about 3 days before switching back

smtom said:
Doesn't Skyraider offer a senseless version of the Skyraider ROM?
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Senseless is still Sense framework, which lacks the advantages of a true AOSP ROM. The advantage to Senseless is a vanilla interface, but the stability of the Sense framework.

Thanks for the input!
Will be switching to an ASOP ROM sometime tonight.

For me unfortunately, the lack of decent widgets keeps forcing me back to the new desire z based sense roms. Too many additional features in sense. Wish there were good equivalent aosp widgets for what you can get from htc in the hd/z/mt4g/inc s roms...
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POQbum said:
Thanks for the input!
Will be switching to an ASOP ROM sometime tonight.
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I don't know if you wanna jump in head first or not but, I'm really enjoying the new Cyanogenmod 7 RC1 right now. Another great is MIUI. They're both great on battery life and they're both highly customizable. But they are a big change from sense- especially MIUI. And, obviously, CM7 is a release candidate so it isn't perfect (although damn close.) Whether you jump on them now or later, once you've gotten your feet wet, you should check em both out some time.
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Smabbage said:
Battery and speed will improve depending on which kernal you use.
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That's false. I have never gotten the battery life from an AOSP rom that I have from an optimized Sense rom. I've used almost every kernel for both types of roms. There are quite a few people that actually complain about CM battery life. As far as speed its like the butt dyno, just saying your phone feels faster is all perception. There are people that say the optimized Sense roms are the fastest and some say the AOSP are the fastest. Try what you like and use it. The real differences is in the interface. Bluetooth is definitely better supported on CM.

I found my best battery life AND speed were with Ruby ROM 2.0.2 with Launcherpro. Cyanogenmod 6 is good too but had tons of features I didn't use. Invisiblek kernels are a great addition to AOSP ROMs.
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I've been running MIUI 1.1.26 with invisablek #28 for a while now, w/o setcpu and while I wouldn't say it's the fastest combo (not that it's slow) its is the most stable my phone has been since I switched from Virtuos using stock kernel.
After setting up invisablek #28 and wiping battery stats it did take a few days of crappy battery life until it started to kick butt. I can get thru a 10 hour work day of moderate web surfing and constant music playing and still have at least 20% battery left. And if I run with the 2150mah extended battery forget about it.
I would definately recommend giving MIUI and invisablek #28 kernel a try. It has the faster charging the stock kernel has and runs smooth and stable. The launched takes a bit to get used to but you can always run launcher pro over it. Tried that but I love the MIUI launched too much.

Thats my issue with the CM line, it has tons of features I dont use (which could be flashable) and includes way too many localizations. I must admit I forgot about Ruby, it was the best in terms of speed. No lag, no hesitation, smooth as butter.

Launcher Pro doesn't extend any battery life on any ROM I have used it just a different launcher but one of the best ones I have used so far.

If you aren't attached to the Sense experience, the don't even hesitate to try out different ROMs. I gave up on Sense after a month of purchasing the Dinc, tried out CM6, tried out MIUI, and now I've been "crackflashing" CM7 since January. A lot of people are experiencing really good battery life. Can't say so for myself since the Dinc is my main computer, but I would certainly say that it is the fastest ROM I've tried.
Do a nandroid backup. Try out a bunch of new setups. Restore the nandroid if you aren't happy. Simple as that--when you're rooted you can do a lot with these devices.

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There are people that say the optimized Sense roms are the fastest and some say the AOSP are the fastest.
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I will say that CM's GPU performance is better than that of the Incredible's on 2.2. My guess is that this is due to CM's release using more recent drivers for the Adreno 200. I've tested this with both benchmarks and games.
On Sims 3, owning the largest house makes panning/zooming is a virtual crawl on stock Sense, even with a good custom kernel. On CM7, it's playable, a huge difference. Quadrant advances/profession GPU score (not the worthless combined score) is nearly 150 points different. To give a perspective, it's 280 to 410 on average, which is a huge jump.

2.2 vs 2.3 sense roms, battery life consumption.

What about these makes the battery consumption so drastically different? Please don't give me solutions and fixes, its not what this thread is about. I have done them all. Pri, heap, kernel, wipe 3x each, face the north sky and look towards narnia ext.... Most of these 2.2 sense roms I can get amazing battery out of it after some tweaks but every single 2.3 I have tried I can sit here tweak till my fingers are numb and I just sit here and watch the battery drop.
I am currently on kings v2 right now and seem to have gotten this one to at least give me a fighting chance but im on vacation and probably am going to nand back to konis so I can last a full day.
A side note, these new android 2.3 sense roms and beta sense 2.1 roms are sicckkkk. I can't decide which to stay with once the battery gets stable.
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Actually, I have the opposite experience. AOSP (CM7 Nightly) provides me with much better battery life than any Sense-based ROM I've used (including King's R2, Vaelpak & others). I'm a very heavy user (Youtube, MP3s, web browsing) in a mid to weak signal area and CM7 provides me with a good 3 - 4 hours extra of battery life when compared to Sense based ROMs. From what I've read from others, Sense ROMs use more battery due to all of the processes that run in the background. AOSP ROMs tend to be much leaner and meaner. Then again, I use Savaged-Zen kernels with AOSP and that could explain the difference as their kernels are VERY good.

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Actually, I have the opposite experience. AOSP (CM7 Nightly) provides me with much better battery life than any Sense-based ROM I've used (including King's R2, Vaelpak & others). I'm a very heavy user (Youtube, MP3s, web browsing) in a mid to weak signal area and CM7 provides me with a good 3 - 4 hours extra of battery life when compared to Sense based ROMs. From what I've read from others, Sense ROMs use more battery due to all of the processes that run in the background. AOSP ROMs tend to be much leaner and meaner. Then again, I use Savaged-Zen kernels with AOSP and that could explain the difference as their kernels are VERY good.
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+1, better life on aosp. battery life is soo user and hdw dependent though its hard to say.

Ditto here, although I can't tell if he's just asking about 2.3 Sense ROMs vs. 2.2 Sense ROMs, in which, since there's only one leaked non-final 2.3 Sense ROM, that is probably the answer.

Virus' roms (most recently the Airborne Beta) have always treated me well on battery life for a sense based setup and would easily get me through a work day if I left the charger at home.
Regarding AOSP, MIUI with the Tiamat kernel has given unbelievable battery life.
As a result, I bounce between each Rom depending on needs (i.e. 4g/fm radio/etc)

Sorry, I was strictly referring to sense roms. I agree with tiamet and cm7 and some tweaks I get excellent life as well but I just like sense roms.
My battery was at 75% when I posted this and I was on one of kings new 2.3 roms. It dropped to that in about an hour of moderate use. I moved back to a nand of konis and I am now at 60% been on it basically all day, even navigation to a place.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1038400

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Still the same issue. Seems battery life is wishy washy.
Speaking of that thread though. I am confused, do I lose root flash that?
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No just flash TMartins and you wont lose root.

[Q] Best Battery + bug free rom for HTC Wildfire Buzz?

Hi Guys
Looking for best battery life and bug free rom...
As I am just pissed off by battery life by stock rom, i do not mind going on Aosp rom either on gingerbread 2.3, 2.2 or 4.0
hope some experienced people over here at XDA will help me to find out a good battery life and smooth rom for daily use.
Thanks

From my experience, the best rom (fast, bugfree, no lags) that i have came through is splash mod. Now for the battery, you can download easy battery saved. You can then configure it to stop some things when the phone is locked so that battery consumption is reduced. I personally use it and have my phone up for more than 20 hours

The best thing I've found for battery is to buy a spare battery and a wall charger that holds the spare battery, that way by the time my battery is flat my spare one is fully charged. As for the roms its personal preference in my eyes, splashmod may be fast out of the box but I could have a sense based rom running just as fast within half an hour so my advice is try them all and find one that suits you.
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Best rom
IMO,I would say the joker rom,spalsh v1.8,and sunaabh. Ive had about 30-60 percent battery life on averga more than stock rom with the 3 I mentioned

I am curious what makes splash rom faster than cm7 since it is based on nightly 256. I think it might be just because of JIT enabled in CM7 (not sure if it is by default) while it is not enabled in splash rom. JIT might (is) causing some delay when executing applications. What do you think?

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I am curious what makes splash rom faster than cm7 since it is based on nightly 256. I think it might be just because of JIT enabled in CM7 (not sure if it is by default) while it is not enabled in splash rom. JIT might (is) causing some delay when executing applications. What do you think?
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No there's nothing special about it, its because he's stripped out all the apps to make it a barebones Rom, thats all.
Not for me though I need apps like the clock and don't want to waste my time downloading such apps from the market, I'd rather have a full version and delete what I don't want myself.
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jatinder3135 said:
Hi Guys
Looking for best battery life and bug free rom...
As I am just pissed off by battery life by stock rom, i do not mind going on Aosp rom either on gingerbread 2.3, 2.2 or 4.0
hope some experienced people over here at XDA will help me to find out a good battery life and smooth rom for daily use.
Thanks
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For me best rom is RemPuzzleRom fast,stable and good battery life.

I have had the best battery using CM7. I remove unwanted apps using Barebones tutorial.
~20 hours battery life on CM7.
~17 hours on Rempuzzle

Splash mod 2.0 is the best, becouse there is no bugs and it is very friendly to battery
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rempuzzlerom and splashmod .... worked really well for me (about 20 hours of battery backup)

I still use stock 2.2 and trust me battery last for 1 to 1.5 days with constant use of twitter, sms, gtalk, call and browsing.

SplashMOD is very smooth, having no issues with it yet, been in use for 2 months. No FCs, all apps working fine.
CM7 was with me for 4-5 months. Towards the end it got very laggy, like seriously jumpy (probably due to neglect), but battery life on splashmod is no where near as good as CM7.
Maybe i just use it more. I think sleep as android and copilot rinse it, which i didnt have on CM7
Am switching to Rempuzzle soon so see what all the crack is about