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[Q] Fresh vs. CM6 vs. Two Point Two

Hey guys, I am not a noob to flashing roms or anything but I have been on the new Fresh for awhile and I really want to try out a new rom. I have been eyeing CM6 and Myn's Two Point Two. I was just looking for some input of those that are currently running these roms as to why I should switch from fresh?
Thanks

Fresh is a great ROM. There's no real need to switch unless you just want to try something new (which seems to be the case here). CM6 is a fantastic ROM and it's even better when you run it with a >>Snap kernel in Turbo mode. CM6 offers a very slim and stock Android feel. The only bad thing is no 4G (unless you don't care about that). Other things to note about CM6 is that HDMI is not available either. I don't know if they got the FM radio working yet either but, really, who the hell uses FM radio on their EVO? I mean I could see the uses but still.....
Anyway, myn's Warm ROM is *really* nice if you like Sense ROMs. The screen transition animations are kinda trippy at first but you get used to them. I also like how dark the theme is. We're talking pitch black notification bar, black/gray notifications - pair that with a black wallpaper and your phone is super-dark. The font that comes with it is real nice to me but I can see why others wouldn't like it. Thankfully, myn includes the stock fonts in the OP on his thread. I like Warm. It's different (to me anyway). Worth giving a shot.
I'm a flashoholic though. I'll probably switch to something new or old within a matter of hours That's just how it goes. You'll be happy with either Warm or CM6 but if you like Sense-based ROMs give Warm a shot. I think you'll be enlightened.

beatblaster said:
Fresh is a great ROM. There's no real need to switch unless you just want to try something new (which seems to be the case here). CM6 is a fantastic ROM and it's even better when you run it with a >>Snap kernel in Turbo mode. CM6 offers a very slim and stock Android feel. The only bad thing is no 4G (unless you don't care about that). Other things to note about CM6 is that HDMI is not available either. I don't know if they got the FM radio working yet either but, really, who the hell uses FM radio on their EVO? I mean I could see the uses but still.....
Anyway, myn's Warm ROM is *really* nice if you like Sense ROMs. The screen transition animations are kinda trippy at first but you get used to them. I also like how dark the theme is. We're talking pitch black notification bar, black/gray notifications - pair that with a black wallpaper and your phone is super-dark. The font that comes with it is real nice to me but I can see why others wouldn't like it. Thankfully, myn includes the stock fonts in the OP on his thread. I like Warm. It's different (to me anyway). Worth giving a shot.
I'm a flashoholic though. I'll probably switch to something new or old within a matter of hours That's just how it goes. You'll be happy with either Warm or CM6 but if you like Sense-based ROMs give Warm a shot. I think you'll be enlightened.
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Wow, thanks man I wasn't expecting an in-depth explanation like you gave. I really appreciate it, and yeah I am pretty addicted to Sense unfortunately, everyone always bags on it though and says how its bogs down your phone etc. Thats why I was considering trying CM6. Does the Music Widget work for you on Warm? I had read that it wasn't working for some people and that was why I was apprehensive about switching. Also, what kernel would you advise to use with it. I have always been a netarchy guy never really tried out Kings too much.

The Music widget works for me. I've never had a problem with it. As for kernels, I'm with you man - Netarchy FTW! King's kernels are hit or miss for me. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. I don't mean to sound like a **** but I don't have time for hit or miss So, netarchy 4.1.9.1 CFS is working just fine for me at the moment.
As for Sense, I like Sense too although sometimes I miss LauncherPro. Then I move to LauncherPro and then I miss Sense. Go figure. I'm never happy with these things for long. Just keep an eye out for my sig as you wander through the forums. It changes, like, every other freakin day.

haha will do man I appreciate all of your help, in that case im gonna head on my way to the Warm. Just curious though I tried to use the CFS on the Fresh Rom and I was getting boot loops like crazy. What is the difference in BFS and CFS that is the only thing I have never been able to understand with kernels.?

I am using myn's right now and is extremely quick for a sense rom. Battery life is great as well. I can go 16 hours on a charge with 4g always on. Best sense rom I have used to date. I am also a flash-a-holic, LOL.
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squiggie said:
I am using myn's right now and is extremely quick for a sense rom. Battery life is great as well. I can go 16 hours on a charge with 4g always on. Best sense rom I have used to date. I am also a flash-a-holic, LOL.
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What kernel are you running? I am getting ready to flash I just would like to have everything good to go with flash number 1 haha

Yellowcard8992 said:
haha will do man I appreciate all of your help, in that case im gonna head on my way to the Warm. Just curious though I tried to use the CFS on the Fresh Rom and I was getting boot loops like crazy. What is the difference in BFS and CFS that is the only thing I have never been able to understand with kernels.?
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CFS vs BFS..... they have to do with different CPU schedulers if I understand it correctly. Theoretically, you're supposed to get slightly better performance with BFS but it's been a little buggy on my phone (launch day, 002 hardware) and what's performance without stability? CFS works just as fine but, honestly, you're going to have to search for this answer on your own. King's kernel threads are where I found a really good explanation of the differences between the two and I remember it's how I decided CFS was probably best for me just for the life of me I can't remember what was said now that I think about it. Not all EVO's are created equal. For some, CFS rocks and for others it sucks. Same goes for BFS. Just try both and see how it goes. I'd start with CFS if I were you.
Sorry I couldn't give you a better answer! That's not usually my style

Well I appreciate all your help man, its not every member that is willing to give an in-depth response. Very rarely do you see that. So thanks a million for that man.

No problem. Just doing my part to pay it forward.

i just flashed a few roms tonight i have been using fresh but wanted to try a new one ive tried calks 2 virus roms and now warm i personally like it like a previous post its real snappy and my set cpu isnt even installed on my phone kings bfs 9 seems to work the best for me ive tried other roms with other kernels mixed and matched but im stuck on kings

What do you like better about Warm over Fresh?
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You just happened to mention the only three roms that I have ran for long lengths of time.
CyanogenMod:
I ran CM6 the longest and it is a very lean and snappy rom - it also got me hooked on LauncherPro. I really loved the customization ability of CM6 and it was a pleasant change from SenseUI. Also one of the biggest factors was it was the first Rom that I used with FPS unlocked. This is the only rom I used SetCPU with and everything ran stable and quick.
Having said that...
I found myself missing some sense widgets (LauncherPro paid version really addresses this but there is a smoothness in the sense widgets that it is missing). Also there is the issue with 4G and some quirkiness I experienced with CM6.
Fresh 3.2 and 3.3:
I flashed Fresh 3.2 and fell back in love with Sense. The new HTC kernel 11 came out and the FPS cap was gone (Fresh 3.3 I think). There was much I had missed from Sense - it is refined and just feels complete with everything (4G, camera, etc...) working properly. I can't hit the quadrant scores that I could on CM6 but I realized that I no longer cared about that. The rom was smooth and snappy. It did everything that I wanted it to.
Myn's Warm Two.Two:
I am currently on Myn's Warm 2.2 with HTC #11 and I'm loving it. For me, it's just about the looks of this thing. It's sleek and snappy with sort of a minimalist look. It retains the functionality of sense with a completely custom look and feel. The black themed keyboard fits so well with it - I really think HTC would have been better off with this design.
Conclusion:
Your real decision is do you prefer AOSP or Sense. I personally find myself enjoying the functionality of Sense more - however, I can totally see where others love AOSP. I love them both - but prefer the refinement of Sense and it is plenty smooth and snappy for me.
AOSP - CyanogenMod
Sense (stock look) - Fresh
Sense (custom look) - Myn's Warm
My Perfect Rom - SenseUI (including widgets) with LauncherPro launcher. Unfortunately for me, this doesn't exist yet
Note:
I know battery life is a hot topic and influences the rom and kernel that people select. I often wonder if it is hardware or application related because I have seen 24+ hour battery life from each of these roms/kernels. Some may have been a little better but the difference was negligible.
I don't really consider myself a heavy user - but not a light one either. Maybe I have just been lucky so far. I generally put my phone on charge every night (I've missed a night here or there) and I have NEVER gotten below 15% battery life - even camping for two days in airplane mode)

Opinion on great rom/kernel with good battery??

So I am looking to change roms. I am on BS 1.8 now and sick of the whole mess of them only using their forum and having to pay to get files, so I am looking to switch.
What rom/kernel are you all using that's giving you great battery life, high quad scores? Please post your configurations, so I can make a decision. Oh, no CM6...I like Sense.
I have been looking at
Virus Anthrax
Calkulin's EViO 2
Frost
Burnt Droid

Still happily rocking my Fresh 3.3.0.1
I donated to Damage, but he seemed to release a rom then take a 3 month vacation.
I donated to Fresh to get the beta stuff, but his roms are just rock solid, great battery life, fast, and I just don't have to mess with it. I did flash a new taskbar and back to standard rosie.
I am not a fan of the donation stuff. I can understand why they do it, but it seems to contradict the community. I have a lot of respect for these guys for what they do, I know it takes a lot of time. But its a hobby they choose to get into. They make a decent product, get some people following them, then they want to make it their job and get paid for stuff just doesn't seem right to me.

I still swear by Fresh(have since the beginning) enough to donate to him. I decided to switch it up for fun and now im on myn's Warm twopointtwo....Its just as solid, smooth, and battery efficient as Fresh but to me looks sexier and has beautiful transitions.

Ex-BSer here. I'm test driving myn with King's #9 kernel. I like so far. I am looking forward to RLS2.

the funny thing about sense based roms. There isnt a ton visible differences between them. a lot of it is behind the scene tweaks. and even all those are usually very minor differences in performance.
Basically what i am saying is it is all a personal preference. I have literally used every rom currently out for evo on this forum. most of them preform comparable real world (one may get a slightly higher bench blah blah.) there are a few "minor" differences between most of the up to date roms that may sway you but over all i would be willing to bet most people wouldnt be able to tell a difference in actual use of most of the sense roms (though i am sure many will claim otherwise i am sure but placebos work for a reason and the general public think the iphone is the best phone for a reason and none of which because it is true)
AOSP is different however as it doesnt pertain to this post wont go there. as far as the look of the gui if you look through the themes section you can normally find a comparable look to go with any rom (ie a lot of them use manups) so i normally tell people instead of asking to just play with them and see what they feel works best for them. Everyone will tell you there favorite rom is the best and will swear by it many having never tried the others. SO try the big ones and see which one you like is normally best some of the big sense based ones are
Virus, Fresh, Evio, warm twopointtwo, DC(though it is fading fast since it is getting) pretty out of date)
all fo these with proper settings gave me pretty good battery life and performance with both kings and netarchy kernels.
If i had to choose one i personally like Evio best but thats mainly because Caulk is awesome and the davik is on the cache partition freeing up some of the space on the phone.

omegasun18 said:
If i had to choose one i personally like Evio best but thats mainly because Caulk is awesome and the davik is on the cache partition freeing up some of the space on the phone.
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i've tried almost every ROM available (literally) and it boilded down between baked and evio. i'm still switching back and forth but am leaning towards evio as it has more tweaks (dalvik moved to sd, haptic feedback removed from dialer and lockscreen, ability to remove sense and htc lockscreen, awesome notification icons, clear htc lockscreen, debug icon removed, reboot/recover option when power button is long pressed...). calk also seems like he's on the ball more.
as far as battery, i think the kernels will help with that more than the ROM. i swore by baked #6 for battery life, but am test driving king's #6 CFS and i may have a new kernel i'll recommend for battery life. i was dropping about 5-7% per hour on average daily use with baked #6; i'm currently averaging a drop of 3-5% per hour with kings #6 CFS. if you're a benchmark guy, i'm also getting higher linpack/quadrant scores (at lower frequencies to boot) w/ kings.

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i was dropping about 5-7% per hour on average daily use with baked #6; i'm currently averaging a drop of 3-5% per hour with kings #6 CFS. if you're a benchmark guy, i'm also getting higher linpack/quadrant scores (at lower frequencies to boot) w/ kings.
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I cannot find BS #6 anywhere. I have donated on the baked shack and never got access, so the only time I saw #6 was at install. I will try King 6 cfs right now. I have also heard this before.
I was on Fresh 3.3 and once I flashed NA 4.1.9, I kept losing my Sense homescreen option. Two fresh installs and same thing. I moved to BS 1.8....Hero and those guys removed all traces of BS from this forum and you can only get access to any of it from their site, which they drag their feet letting people in....Hence me looking to move on past BS.. and their BS.

EVOme said:
I cannot find BS #6 anywhere. I have donated on the baked shack and never got access, so the only time I saw #6 was at install. I will try King 6 cfs right now. I have also heard this before.
I was on Fresh 3.3 and once I flashed NA 4.1.9, I kept losing my Sense homescreen option. Two fresh installs and same thing. I moved to BS 1.8....Hero and those guys removed all traces of BS from this forum and you can only get access to any of it from their site, which they drag their feet letting people in....Hence me looking to move on past BS.. and their BS.
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hero did not pack up and leave... he was booted by xda (i'll reserve my opinions about the matter).
try sending them a message through their webpage. i had to do the same after a couple of days of no response to my donation.
how are you liking kings #6 cfs?

quocamole said:
hero did not pack up and leave... he was booted by xda (i'll reserve my opinions about the matter).
try sending them a message through their webpage. i had to do the same after a couple of days of no response to my donation.
how are you liking kings #6 cfs?
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Booted from here...hmmmm, can't imagine why. I finally got CFS 6 flashed about 10pm and went to bed. I woke up at 7am @ 85%. It was like 98% when I hit the bed. Charging to full now and see how it does today.

Best Custom ROMS & kernels?

Alrighty so I have a friend coming over this weekend with her EVO 4G and I will be doing some level of hacking to it. I want to give her options of ROMS & kernels so can I get some feedback on the best custom Sense ROMS as well as ASOP ROMS plus what the best kernel options are.
As far as I know she has a stock battery so whatever kernel that will give her the best battery life/performance would be great

I might as well say it because this is the reply you're going to get. You should just read threads and try them out until you find one you like. There is no best because many of them are designed to do different things. Only you can choose which functions are most important to you and which Rom matches those functions.

Tough question to ask because it weighs heavily on user preference. My personal favorite rom is Myn's WarmTwoPointTwo RLS5 using SBC trickel charge kernel. I get fantastic battery life and the rom is as smooth as butter. This is a Sense based rom without all the bloatware that Sprint puts on it. As far as AOSP roms alot of people like CM6 or the CM7 nightlies. I have only tried CM6 and its pretty sexy also but I prefer Myns rom a bit more. Check out Myn and CM6 or CM7 those should be good starting points.

we're just trying to keep the development section clear. i understand this is the most popular section and it's where all the cool and exciting things happen.. but there is an appropriate section for questions and answers, it's called Q&A. there's more people in there willing to help you answer any all questions you have.
that said, don't be surprised is mods come along and move this to Q&A (already would be if I was a mod). so please, I mean this will respect, post in the appropriate sections from now on.

Stroid01 said:
Tough question to ask because it weighs heavily on user preference. My personal favorite rom is Myn's WarmTwoPointTwo RLS5 using SBC trickel charge kernel. I get fantastic battery life and the rom is as smooth as butter. This is a Sense based rom without all the bloatware that Sprint puts on it. As far as AOSP roms alot of people like CM6 or the CM7 nightlies. I have only tried CM6 and its pretty sexy also but I prefer Myns rom a bit more. Check out Myn and CM6 or CM7 those should be good starting points.
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I've been eyeing Myn's ROM for my wife's DInc too but she's not as open to me hacking her phone all the time so I may consider that one.
I put a modified version of CM based on Froyo onto my brother-in-law's Eris which worked pretty well too despite that phones lack of horsepower.
Thanks for the recs

well you know, maybe if you read the rules?

JagoX said:
Man talk about a difference in user communities...I never got this type of response in the DInc & DX sections when I posted the *exact* same question in the development sections.
But whatever...as long as the question get answered that is all I care about.
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honestly, you're lucky I came along first.. most people would have flamed you to hell and back. we just like to keep order here to keep a decent noise/information ratio. development threads in development section and question threads in q&a section. it's been this way for me ever since i've joined

As was stated "this lies alot on how each person uses their phone". Me personally prefer the Mikfroyo 4.5 with a Netarchy kernal. You can see what I am using in my signature. Rom is very quick and smooth and battery life is great for me.
"Walk by Faith-not by Sight"

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Agreed on the noise/information ratio. Instead of most of the responses being the typical troll response, they could've either just ignored the thread or sent a request to a mod to have it moved.
But whatever...I do appreciate any responses in general (except the "well maybe you shouldn't root it then" response)
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The problem with the evo's is that they are all soo differently and react so much differently to every rom and kernel respectively. For my MIkfroyo and netarchy's gave me great performance and battery life. the same set up on my friends phone halved his battery life. my top choices are Mik, EVIO, and King's.. they get along best with my phone... as for kernel that is high phone specific, do you want SBC, etc..

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As was stated "this lies alot on how each person uses their phone". Me personally prefer the Mikfroyo 4.5 with a Netarchy kernal. You can see what I am using in my signature. Rom is very quick and smooth and battery life is great for me.
"Walk by Faith-not by Sight"
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Mikfroyo and Netarchy rock my EVO world.

I think I will start a new thread in this sub-forum asking everyone which apps they can't live without.

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The problem with the evo's is that they are all soo differently and react so much differently to every rom and kernel respectively. For my MIkfroyo and netarchy's gave me great performance and battery life. the same set up on my friends phone halved his battery life. my top choices are Mik, EVIO, and King's.. they get along best with my phone... as for kernel that is high phone specific, do you want SBC, etc..
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Well yea I'm aware of that b/c I experienced something similar with the DInc b/c some kernels didn't work as well as others (but did for others.) I know that I *may* have to try different kernels (which I know is easy to change) but with ROMs getting different recommendations does help weed out those that are either junk or dead roms...and ultimately makes my choices easier.

i would download several of the newer roms and try them all my fav right nnow is CM7-GX4 is a nice gingerbread rom but it just depends on your personal taste and needs

also depends on if you want sense or AOSP

I would just show a few screen shots and of MikFroyo, Myn, Ava, EViO, and maybe Koni's Elite. All of those are stable and similar in performance if she's not a really heavy user. I personlly have had the best results/experience with Mik and EViO. For Kernels, try a couple and see which works with her phone (more havs, les havs, no havs, or whatever). I would start with net's latest stable CFS, and go from there if it doesn't play well with her phone.
If she lives in a 4g area or uses HDMI, I would stay away from any AOSP ROMs, since none of them have it either, other than the CM wimax beta. IMO, it's a bad idea to put a beta ROM like that on someones phone if they don't know how to put it there themselves so they can remove it if need be.

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I would just show a few screen shots and of MikFroyo, Myn, Ava, EViO, and maybe Koni's Elite. All of those are stable and similar in performance if she's not a really heavy user. I personlly have had the best results/experience with Mik and EViO. For Kernels, try a couple and see which works with her phone (more havs, les havs, no havs, or whatever). I would start with net's latest stable CFS, and go from there if it doesn't play well with her phone.
If she lives in a 4g area or uses HDMI, I would stay away from any AOSP ROMs, since none of them have it either, other than the CM wimax beta. IMO, it's a bad idea to put a beta ROM like that on someones phone if they don't know how to put it there themselves so they can remove it if need be.
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Ive been doing some research into her options and since 4G is not possible at the moment with CM6, it is officially off the table...kinda bummed about that one
EViO is looking pretty promising as one option however I think Myn's might egg it out simply because of how clean the UI mods are. MikFroyo could be good but I'm not a fan of how just about everything has a gradient on it (that stuff is fugly imho.)
MIUI is looking pretty solid too but since it is a bit of change from the normal flow of Android, I'll have to let her decide based on the videos & then try installing it if she wants to really see it.

If you don't want all the extra stuff, you can try the earlier versions of Mik. 4.2 has a lot of the speed, but none of the theming. It looks a lot more stock.
Also, you can try AvaZ3. It uses a Mik base and is somewhat themed, but still looks clean, can't remember if it has a lot of the gradients you were talking about.
Azrael is also very stable and fast, but I don't think he's going to be updating it anymore. I guess that doesn't matter if she's not going to be changing ROMs often.
EViO is an excellent choice though, when I was on it, it was as fast or faster than most other ROMs while being underclocked. I was on v1.77 and had awesome battery life on the built in kernel. I think with the new version, in order to take advantage of all the features, you need to use Ziggy's latest kernel. I would use the CFS since BFS may or may not play nice with her phone. Also, if you flash EViO, make sure to flash the restore default buttons zip attached to the bottom of the first post or her search button won't work.

For Sense, I really like Calk's EViO 2 series. it is very clean not too many mods and kinks that could break stuff and also has a undervolt script that keeps the battery in check, he is a top Dev.
As for AOSP I dont use CM7 yet as it is still experimental but i recommend either CM6 and especially MIUI coupled with the new SavagedZen kernel, fast, smooth and stable.

Here's a question...besides CM6, what other ROMS have 4G compatibility issues?
Granted I know some phones may be react differently but do certain ROMs play nicer with certain kernels then others?

Give Myn Warm a try
I have been using Myn's WarmTwoPointTwo RLS5 for several weeks and find that it is fantastic. Stable, smooth, and sexy.

[Q] Rom and Battery life

Hi. I'm thinking about flashing my first ROM on the Droid Incredible for my wife. She is having terrible battery life with her phone, and I'd like to try and help her out. I really am not looking for much though. My order of prefs are:
Stability > Battery Life > Performance
Mods and tweaks and things of that nature are not really a huge concern for me. I just want everything to work well, and have great battery life. I'd love to hear some suggestions.
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I'm running OVORene Community ROM and my battery last all day with GPS on internet on and 5 apps syncing all day everything on. Super stable I have no problems so far no force closes. Give it a try
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But having sense 3.0 is a closer look too stock incredible and have great battery life
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Nobrainer, the newest leak 2.3.4. Its only sense 1.0, so it would be familiar to her, no lag, no issues at all, and the best battery life for me on any sense rom.
If ive helped you, please hit the damn thanks button!

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Nobrainer, the newest leak 2.3.4. Its only sense 1.0, so it would be familiar to her, no lag, no issues at all, and the best battery life for me on any sense rom.
If ive helped you, please hit the damn thanks button!
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I'd go this route or something VERY similar to it. Just don't flash the RUU. Try to find a rooted version of the ROM.
As for AOSP, I've flashed about 5 different AOSP ROMs on my dInc and none of them have been what I'd call stable and reliable. I'm NOT a fan of any of the launchers and I do NOT like having to spend days trying to dig through the Market and threads trying to find the stuff to make AOSP do most of what Sense does right out of the box. My girlfriend likes AOSP... and I just can't understand why, but I'm always messing with it trying to figure out why it's restarting, being all herky-jerky, not responding, doing weird things for no reason... And frankly, I don't think the battery life is all that much better on AOSP than Sense.

I don't know what about CM7 or MIUI isn't stable or reliable? What doesn't work on those roms that works on sense roms? IMO, sense is bloated, slow, and outside of social networking (which I couldn't care less about anyway), adds no real functionality when compared to AOSP. Also, AOSP roms are infinitely more customizable than sense. For people that like to mess with their phones and make them their own (which being XDA, I'd think a lot are in this category), there's just simply way more you can do with AOSP, and better kernels too!
Again, some of this is just my opinion, but I fail to see how our AOSP roms can be called unstable or unreliable. It all boils down to personal preference but to say that AOSP is not stable or reliable is simply not a true statement.

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I don't know what about CM7 or MIUI isn't stable or reliable? What doesn't work on those roms that works on sense roms? IMO, sense is bloated, slow, and outside of social networking (which I couldn't care less about anyway), adds no real functionality when compared to AOSP. Also, AOSP roms are infinitely more customizable than sense. For people that like to mess with their phones and make them their own (which being XDA, I'd think a lot are in this category), there's just simply way more you can do with AOSP, and better kernels too!
Again, some of this is just my opinion, but I fail to see how our AOSP roms can be called unstable or unreliable. It all boils down to personal preference but to say that AOSP is not stable or reliable is simply not a true statement.
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Going thru the miui or the cm7 nightly threads lately, it does appear that they also have their fair share of issues. The fact of the matter is, the leaked/rooted ota is very stable, very fast, and has great battery life. It also would have no learning curve for her and she could set up her screens to her liking with whats already familiar to her. Thats why i said no brainer. Aosp is nice, ive ran them all, but it really is just personal preference. Aosp battery can be just as bad if not worse than sense. I also found my self trying to make it look like sense, so now i use sense pretty much all the time. The diffrence between sense and aosp is preference and preference only.
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I definitely wouldn't hesitate to recommend the stock rom for someone that doesn't really mess with their phone that much and needs it to work without issue. I personally like to have a bit more control and feature additions. I mainly posted because it was being stated that AOSP roms were unstable and unreliable, and that's simply not the case. I have recently run CM7 nightlies and MIUI (current rom) without issue. I keep up on new features and bug fixes, and there isn't anything "buggy" about either of these roms. Pretty much the only things you're gonna be missing out on are 720p recording and tv-out functionality, but for me that tradeoff is well worth it considering the other benefits.
I can't really speak on battery life comparatively, because my phone hasn't seen a sense rom for more than a few hours since I got it, but I think the difference is mainly in the kernels. There are simply better options for AOSP (right now at least), the kernels have more battery saving features than what is available for GB sense. I see that they've gotten smartass working on the new GB sense kernel though, so I would think that would help. I imagine a lot of it also has to do with your accounts and sync settings as well, for example, I'd imagine if you had two phones (one on AOSP, one on stock sense) with the same governor settings and sync settings, battery life would be pretty similar.

I would think your probably right on that. I personally have had no issues with aosp roms or any of the new gb roms. I run basic configurations with minimal apps and minimal syncing. I only install 4 apps, so i can get a rom runnin pretty good for what i need.
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Im using the latest OMFGB nightly, no problems, no issues, everything works.
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OP you will be flooded with opinions going in all directions, it depends what you want. Pretty much any ROM here is noticeably faster than stock with better battery.
If you're looking something closer to stock, but faster and with better battery life than I would suggest Skyraider:
http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?t=1314
Agreeing with nivesout, Sense adds some bloat to your phone- but some people just like the UI and don't mind whatever minimal extra lag or battery loss they get from it.
CM7 is a great AOSP ROM and just in general one of the top choices here. If you get this then you should probably download Launcher Pro (from market) instead of using ADW, but it's up to you.
MIUI is more appearance based and offers lots of theming options, however the luancher that comes with it is not as smooth as other launchers (can always be changed like you can do with CM7)
All of these ROM's are stable and well polished.
I would also suggest that you use chad's incredikernel for a custom kernel (saves battery and increases performance) and also flash the latest radio because it's trending that most people get better battery and faster speeds with it.

It seems like people are just reading his op title. Paragraph 2 states mods and themes are not what he is looking for. Its for his wife. If you go thru the new ota threads you will find people stating excellent battery life. The ota's are debloated and can be even more reduced with ti backup. His wife will have no issues with this rom, nor will she have to search market for apps, theme section for themes, install new kernels, yada yada ya.... The leaked, debloated, pre-rooted ota is a perfect solution for what he is looking for. Op, you can pm me if you have questions about which one to install.
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Thanks to all of you who took the time to reply. I appreciate everyone's input.
@donnyp1 Thanks for your suggestion, and if you want to put your recommendation in this thread that would be great or PM works too. What you said is pretty head on, keeping it simple and similar to what she is already used to would be great. Just need to get that battery in check.

The new OTA has given me the best battery life of any ROM I've used. However, HTC's kernel dislikes my car's Bluetooth module, so I'm back on CM7 for maximum compatibility till they or a kernel dev releases one that works with my car.
My vote is on the OTA. Fast, long lasting and very stable. As a second choice I say CM7. Only thing about CM7 is that she would have to spend more time setting it up.
The sense 2.1/3.0 and 3.0 roms still have some bugs and general performance issues without no real boon to battery life. Lockscreen and quick settings sure do rock though.
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I have run all 3, and liberation beta 4 is really working well. I had no issues with any though. I used ti backup to remove the rest of the verizon stuff, it eorks fantastic. Display at 30%, i get great battery life on my phone. I also flashed the newest radio.
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Godsmacked's senseless 2.0 is a great blend of sense and aosp. Battery life is awesome, it flies, and I haven't had a single fc yet.

Maybe I'm wrong but I was always under the impression that Kernel effects battery life not ROM. I have been going between CM7 Nighties and MIUI.US, with their kernel only get 6 to 8 hours. But if I use incredikernel with incredicontrol I get between 18-27 hours depending on use. Incredicontrol enables fast charge and sound boost, also allows you to set min and max volts. I'm undervolted min 750 and stable with CM7 Nightly 173. I loved Nils' Business GingerSense 3.0 but I personally decided I can't live without incredikernel, so I will wait until he releases a gingersense kernel.
http://www.incredikernel.com/
I have not tried but there are mod's for Gingersense for better battery:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1216306
For choices on ROM's best to go here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=969371

I've been running MIUI for about a week now and I can't believe how great the battery life has been.

I personally have been using gingerbread-inc-deck with chads incredikernel as my daily for over a month now. It's stable and I've had great battery life. I've tested a few sense 3.0 roms, but the battery just doesnt seem to last as long for me.

Looking for a stable/fully featured ROM.

Hi everyone, my Incredible 2 just arrived and I'm about ready to root it and flash a ROM. I first wanted to try the CM7 stable build because they're "official" developers in my opinion, but I read some posts and there seems to be some issues with various small things. I looked at the nightlies and those still seem to have issues as well. Then I looked over here at the CM7Kangs, but something seems to tell me that CM isn't completely stable in itself. Whether it does or doesn't have Sense, etc. I'm just interested in a new ROM that is stable and fully functional (cameras work, GPS works, etc). The main reason for flashing a new ROM is because I don't want all the bloatware that comes with this thing, and even if it isn't cutting edge, I'm sure it can be faster than stock. Any suggestions guys?
EDIT: I hear Skyraider Zeus/MIUI are good. I found Skyraider Zeus 1.3 on the internet, but what versions of MIUI are stable? I hear this ROM has good reviews too

http://roms.miui.us/ 1.12.9 is stable an totally functional works good with areoevans .7 bfs kernel
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http://www.teambamf.net/f37/[rom][gb]-skyraider-zeus-1-3-inc2-[update-11-22-2011]-2725/
This is skyraiders link which is a top notch sense rom.

Skyraider's roms are top notch. All the current cm7 kangs work without flaws. Miui12.9 is awesome. Also look into condemned sense rom, any of nits work, alot of people are running mikrunny 3.5
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Thanks! Just wondering, is Skyraider Zeus overclockable? I looked at the post and the only kernel it mentions is the "HTC OTA update". IIRC, you need a special kernel to OC, don't you?
Also, my question above is the same for the MIUI 1.12.9 ROM. Can it be OC'd? is it fully stable on the non-aeroevan kernel?

Yes you can us dres kernel found in development forum for skyraiders and miui I recommend using areovans kernel due to stock kernel can cause a few issues (low in call volume and for some data is not reliable)
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another vote for SkyRaider Zeus. if you want a ROM you can set and forget, this is it. everything works, except for Verizon's wifi tether in the "quick launch", but that's it. it's just as reliable as stock or better, has tons of features and extras built in. a lot of thought, and time went into this, it is truly a complete Sense ROM.
never tried AOSP ROMs so i can't comment.
good luck in your search. at least try Zeus, you won't be disappointed.

I personally haven't tried miui so I wont comment on that. There are plenty of great roms out there. I am currently using the latest cm7 nightly as my DD (#134 I think?) with excellent results! I cant remember seeing any issues since i flashed it. I am going on nearly a month with zero issues. Before this rom I tried out New To Root's Incredible 2 HD RLS v1.1 which was also a flawless rom from my experience. I had no luck with the RC releases of cm7 but I know of others who love them.
I like to run sense from time to time but I always go back to aosp for the customization possibilities it offers.
In the end, none of us can tell you what the best rom for you is. I can say that in general if you want a rom that you can flash and forget about it you will probably want to go with a rom that has been around for a while, preferably one that is in RC or Final status.
My advice is to try a few so you can see whether you like miui, aosp, or sence. Once you figure that out then just try a few of that type to find one that suits you.
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Well I've never even used a smartphone before other than when occasionally using my brother's iPhone 4, so the interface won't be a big deal. I'll adapt and enjoy whatever I end up using. I just want to use something that's stable (in the sense that it's fully featured and nothing randomly messes up) and fast. Skyraider Zeus and the various CM7 kangs seem to accomplish this. I'll have to think harder on which one i want to use. The CM7 kang i'm looked at is by Condemned Soul. I can't really post in that forum yet, so I'm using this thread as a way to get this type of information.
The CM7 kang that he made is already able to OC I believe because of the CM kernel...so that's a plus because I'd really just want to flash the phone and enjoy using it. I like tinkering with stuff, but I don't want to constantly worry about flashing/unflashing and causing instability. I need this phone to last until the next upgrade. The thing is, "Sense" seems really interesting. People say it looks nice and has lots of features, but I've never really experienced these features anyway, so maybe I should go with CM7.

I always hear people talking about how stable MIUI is, but that has not been my experience with MIUI at all. I have tried MIUI three or four times on a few different android devices each time following the install instructions exactly. Wiped factory reset, dalvik, permissions battery stats etc. all the default ROM install stuff.
Each time MIUI boots up fine and works well for about 3 hours and then randomly reboots and glitches forcing me come back to the stable CM7 version.
I really want to like MIUI, but my experiences seem to be very different than most people.

Interestingly enough, when I googled the word "issues" on Cyanogenmod's stable forum, they mentioned stuff about Skype having problems with audio that was fixed in the non-stable nightly #134. This is why I am wondering if CM7 is truly stable or not. I'm not sure how to track errors/issues, so I don't know what the nightlies have improved upon, and I definitely don't know what the kangs improve on/fix.

If you like tinkering with stuff I'd say you could go the CM or MIUI (AOSP) route. But this phone is not going to be as good as other phones that are running aosp. It was made to run sense.
Fully featured is also going to set you back, do you mean fully featured as in being able to use it as a world phone? GSM Capabilities?
If so you're going to have to run stock or close to stock.
Me personally, I like sense. MikRunny 1.01 here. Fast, stable and everything works. Except for GSM though.
cstone1991 had it right though, you have to run them to see which one you like best. Everyone is going to have their own opinions on which ROM runs best and again each phone is going to run ROMS differently as well.
For ROM's you're going to basically go through different bases like this.
AOSP ROM's like CM7, MIUI
Sense 2.1 ROM's like Andybones stock or skyraider zeus
Sense 3.0 ROM's like Virtuous
Sense 3.5 ROM's like MikRunny
Each base has different features, different feel. You'll also have the ability to theme them differently as well.
Try the ones that interest you the most, run them for a few days each and see which one fits you the best.

jrizk07 said:
If you like tinkering with stuff I'd say you could go the CM or MIUI (AOSP) route. But this phone is not going to be as good as other phones that are running aosp. It was made to run sense.
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I like tinkering with stuff, but only to a point. I don't like to constantly have to "re-do" things that don't have to do with the tinkering process (IE: Flashing over and over). What makes the phone able to run "Sense" instead of AOSP? I'm not aware of the whole Sense vs AOSP bit. If I could get some solid info on why I should run Sense instead of AOSP, I'll run Skyraider Zeus most likely, etc.
Fully featured is also going to set you back, do you mean fully featured as in being able to use it as a world phone? GSM Capabilities?
If so you're going to have to run stock or close to stock.
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What I mean is that I don't need "extra" features or anything like that. I just want the phone to work the way it's supposed to....such as GPS and the camera(s) working. I don't want to have to sacrifice something I use often in order to gain speed. World capabilities aren't a big deal to me for sure. I don't know what "tethering" is so that whole bit isn't too important either.
Me personally, I like sense. MikRunny 1.01 here. Fast, stable and everything works. Except for GSM though.
cstone1991 had it right though, you have to run them to see which one you like best. Everyone is going to have their own opinions on which ROM runs best and again each phone is going to run ROMS differently as well.
For ROM's you're going to basically go through different bases like this.
AOSP ROM's like CM7, MIUI
Sense 2.1 ROM's like Andybones stock or skyraider zeus
Sense 3.0 ROM's like Virtuous
Sense 3.5 ROM's like MikRunny
Each base has different features, different feel. You'll also have the ability to theme them differently as well.
Try the ones that interest you the most, run them for a few days each and see which one fits you the best.
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Thanks for this huge list. What's the difference between Sense 3.5 vs 3.0 vs 2.1? Yes, the obvious answer is that one is newer than the other. I heard Sense 3.5 has issues with the camera being upside down, etc. So I'd probably stick with the Sense that came with this phone (Sense 2.1 probably)

ma70ent said:
I like tinkering with stuff, but only to a point. I don't like to constantly have to "re-do" things that don't have to do with the tinkering process (IE: Flashing over and over). What makes the phone able to run "Sense" instead of AOSP? I'm not aware of the whole Sense vs AOSP bit. If I could get some solid info on why I should run Sense instead of AOSP, I'll run Skyraider Zeus most likely, etc.
The drivers are mostly what's different. Because HTC uses sense originally, Sense is going to be what works the best. It's not that it can't run AOSP but that sense is going to run without problems because that's what it was made to run.
What I mean is that I don't need "extra" features or anything like that. I just want the phone to work the way it's supposed to....such as GPS and the camera(s) working. I don't want to have to sacrifice something I use often in order to gain speed. World capabilities aren't a big deal to me for sure. I don't know what "tethering" is so that whole bit isn't too important either.
All the features work in most ROM's like that. Some ROM's (Mostly AOSP) have issues where the camera is stretched (front facing cam on miui). You're not really losing anything on other ROM's it's just that they work differently.
Thanks for this huge list. What's the difference between Sense 3.5 vs 3.0 vs 2.1? Yes, the obvious answer is that one is newer than the other. I heard Sense 3.5 has issues with the camera being upside down, etc. So I'd probably stick with the Sense that came with this phone (Sense 2.1 probably)
Sense 2.1 has the older stuff, it's probably going to be the fastest out of the rest of them because it has the least amount of stuff in it. This is what comes on the phone stock and what Skyraider runs.
Sense 3.0 incorporated new features like a new lock screen, new weather app, weather animations, sounds, display features, dial pad, messaging. It's running more stuff so in order to run correctly you would have to use a rom that's optimized.
Sense 3.5 is the newest and also has different features but it's very close to 3.0. Just about everything is the same that you can see but there are differences behind the scenes. Also there are no camera issues unless someone puts out a ROM that was quickly thrown together.
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I say you skip 3.0 altogether and run either 2.1 or 3.5. Anything is better than stock with all the bloat so try skyraider or andybonesstock.
If you wanna try 3.5 go with MikRunny 1.01 and in the display turn off the 3d widget features. See how that runs on your phone, It's flawless on mine, I get no lag but again different phones run differently.

Alright I've decided to go with Skyraider Zeus thanks to reading all of this. Thanks for all of the help. I don't plan on flashing a new kernel onto Skyraider Zeus, so whether the stock SZ kernel can OC or not doesn't matter to me.

ma70ent said:
Alright I've decided to go with Skyraider Zeus thanks to reading all of this. Thanks for all of the help. I don't plan on flashing a new kernel onto Skyraider Zeus, so whether the stock SZ kernel can OC or not doesn't matter to me.
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I don't think you will need to over clock. I haven't needed to on this phone. I have tested it and all it did for me was reduce battery life and improve benchmark scores. I haven't been able to tell a difference in actual usage whether I run at 1ghz or 1.8ghz so I opt for better battery life. The only rom that I benefitted from overclocking on was one of the really early ICS builds.
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To all you who responded and to the OP - thanks!
This thread has been very helpful, I just got my Inc 2 last week and looking forward to trying out some new ROMS.
I've read that the stock kernel changed with the OTA updates (I'm on 2.3.4)
Does that limit which of the ROMs I can run?
Are there better ROM managers than others when it comes to this phone and the ROMs available for it?
Thanks.
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Rickinsav said:
To all you who responded and to the OP - thanks!
This thread has been very helpful, I just got my Inc 2 last week and looking forward to trying out some new ROMS.
I've read that the stock kernel changed with the OTA updates (I'm on 2.3.4)
Does that limit which of the ROMs I can run?
Are there better ROM managers than others when it comes to this phone and the ROMs available for it?
Thanks.
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The fact that you're on 2.3.4 means you need to use a downgrade tool and go down to 2.3.3. Then you'll use software called "Revolutionary" to get root, etc. If you search for "nat3mills" on youtube, and look under his videos for incredible 2 stuff, he has step by step tutorials on how to do all of this. That's what I'm going to do. Hopefully XDA doesn't penalize me for referencing this youtube user. Good luck!
EDIT: Also I'd like to ask everyone, since you feel there is no point in overclocking, is there a way to undervolt with any of these ROMs? Specifically SkyRaider Zeus/CM7 (asking because these seem to be the two common choices for people, and I figured this thread could now be used as a good reference) My logic behind undervolting is that if you can overclock it drastically on stock voltage (which is what I assume SRZ and CM7 are on) then you can probably keep it at stock clocks and undervolt it for better battery life/temperatures.
EDIT #2: Ok I was just looking in CondemnedSoul's CM7Kang thread. Apparently there is an app called Incredicontrol that let's you mess with voltages. Just to make sure, CM7 in itself only has the ability to control clock speeds (under/overclock) and not voltages, right? This means that Incredicontrol is necessary to mess with voltages?

from my understanding; if you OC and UV you gain nothing, if you UC and UV you conserve battery, if you OC and OV you make your device faster but perhaps introduce instability.
i've been reading tons of threads, clock speeds and volting included, and i have made the decision to not O/UC nor O/UV because my phone works great as it is and i do not care about benchmarks and my battery life is acceptable as it is.
if you really want to know more, set aside some time (hours) to search and read thread after thread on these topics and make your own educated decision based on the debates other members have participated in.

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from my understanding; if you OC and UV you gain nothing, if you UC and UV you conserve battery, if you OC and OV you make your device faster but perhaps introduce instability.
i've been reading tons of threads, clock speeds and volting included, and i have made the decision to not O/UC nor O/UV because my phone works great as it is and i do not care about benchmarks and my battery life is acceptable as it is.
if you really want to know more, set aside some time (hours) to search and read thread after thread on these topics and make your own educated decision based on the debates other members have participated in.
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Uhhh, you're looking at things the wrong way completely. Having less voltage whether something is overclocked or underclocked is ALWAYS better. If you increase the clock speed and have the voltage less than stock, it's a complete WIN WIN situation unless it introduces instability, but this is something you test for. Some people Overvolt to Overclock even further, but increasing voltage is not ALWAYS necessary. Keeping speeds at stock, but UNDERVOLTING helps battery life. Finally, overclocking but keeping stock voltage is the best combination for actual speed. Increasing voltage reduces battery life much more than simply increasing clockspeed.
This is how things work for desktops, and I'm sure it applies to everything else, including phones.

ma70ent said:
Uhhh, you're looking at things the wrong way completely. Having less voltage whether something is overclocked or underclocked is ALWAYS better. If you increase the clock speed and have the voltage less than stock, it's a complete WIN WIN situation unless it introduces instability, but this is something you test for. Some people Overvolt to Overclock even further, but increasing voltage is not ALWAYS necessary. Keeping speeds at stock, but UNDERVOLTING helps battery life. Finally, overclocking but keeping stock voltage is the best combination for actual speed. Increasing voltage reduces battery life much more than simply increasing clockspeed.
This is how things work for desktops, and I'm sure it applies to everything else, including phones.
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Not necessarily...desktops and laptops and phones (hardware in particular) is built to run within certain voltage limits. Undervolting CAN help but not in all situations, and especially when running at max-min frequency can cause major instability in a speed-step cycle.
It is usually safe to undervolt a little bit with most hardware - but radios in general can be affected by voltage. Test all hardware with stress testing to ensure it is safe FOR YOUR PARTICULAR PHONE.
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To keep the thread on track - this phone was meant to run with Sense 2.1 - if you sync multiple email accounts or run many apps (buggy or not) you should probably stick with Sense 2.1. If you arent a demanding mobile phone user try anything else. I wish the AOSP builds were more compatible with HTC - and if AOSP isnt integrated into any HTC phones in the future I may switch to another manufacturer.