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I have read through many discussions and reviews, and I'd like to confirm and clear a couple of things with experienced users of TP2.
What I need is WM and QWERTY. It leads to HTC TP2, SE Xperia X2, Samsung Omnia Pro B7610. SE and Samsung doesn't fit me for some reasons, therefore I ended up considering TP2. Here are my questions regarding TP2:
SMS stuff: is it possible to have saved plenty of messages [more than 1000]? Does that slow the device or SMS operations down? Is it still lucid and easy to keep overview in sent/received/drafts? Is it possible to send one message to more receivers at once? Is it possible to save SMS as a text file to memory card? And what about full-text search on messages?
audio recorder: is it possible to start it by one or two touch and same easily save it? Does it save mp3 or wav file to memory card?
does it allow schedule power off/on?
What else makes me pretty nervous is the fact that WM6.x is dead system no more supported by MS. Isn't it similar to buying PC with Windows 98 today? In one year time most likely there will be only apps for 7 and no more new apps for old 6.x. If it was phone for 200$ I wouldn't care, but when I pay 500$ [as sold here in EU], I expect such phone to stay useful for a good couple of years. I don't want to go for WP7 as according to MS ads it is intended as a mobile interface for Facebook for bored teens. And what's more, it'll take year or two since those apps used by me will be 7 compatible...
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What else makes me pretty nervous is the fact that WM6.x is dead system no more supported by MS. Isn't it similar to buying PC with Windows 98 today?
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Dead system? Not supported? Who told you that? Remember: just because somebody posts their opinion doesn't make it true.
And no, not similar to buying PC with Win98.
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Dead system? Not supported? Who told you that? Remember: just because somebody posts their opinion doesn't make it true.
And no, not similar to buying PC with Win98.
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xsys, there's still far to broad a userbase for the traditional windows mobile platform for Microsoft to pull the plug on it. You can expect to see support and development both continue on it, likely under one of the suspected names of "windows phone classic" or "windows phone enterprise"
For some of your other questions:
-The SMS module in WM 6.x (and even earlier versions) is known to bog down noticibly with the more messages you retain, and would probably be rather significant by the time you got to 1000. That's honestly one of the top 10 achille's heels of this platform.
-Yes, you can add multiple recipients to SMS messages just like with an e-mail.
-I don't know of any way to archive SMS as text file(s), but it's possible that one of the available 3rd-party SMS clients might have that capability. However, microsoft's free MyPhone service/client will back up all your SMS's and other important info (contacts, call logs, pics, etc) to the cloud each day, where you can access them through a web interface from anywhere. Using this is a great way to keep your SMS inbox trimmed down to the few active threads you're using at any given time, which can sidestep much of the native issue in WM6.x
-Again, I think full-text searches of SMS's would require some 3rd-party client, though I can't say if any offer that.
-HTC and other dev's offer a number of voice recording options, most of which can be as simple as lauching the app, then just hitting record. Some can do .wav, some can do .mp3 and others, and all can save to your SD card. I'll also note here that there's a great free key remapper for the TP2 available in these forums, that would allow you to map the recorder app of your choice, to any button on the device, for easy opening if you use it frequently
-I don't know if there's a way to schedule a power on, but I think I've seen a solution here somewhere to schedule a soft-reset (the standard simple reboot procedure). Maybe someone more familiar with it could point you to it.
Let us know if you have any more questions!
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thanks for your responses guys. It seems dead system from MS point of view. They are now only on WP7 and stopped all work on WM6. Even TP2 is more than year old device and question is if there will be TP3 or something similar, soon. When it comes to memory and processor TP2 is kinda outdated piece of hardware. Though keyboard is outstanding, as well as some other functions. It is actually main reason for me to buy.
I hope that the community will keep this device alive Though, it is not so famous as HD2 what has much more users, and developers too.
My phone service seems to be nice one from MS it could solve my problem.
So, all the info I'm getting online makes me go for TP2... Now I just hope I'll get a good piece, as I heard some have problems and had to go for repair a few times...
Which ROM is the best - Heineken or Pilsner ;-)
There are still builds leaking from MS so someone is developing on the 6.5.x branch. To be honest, as a business user, there is no phone OS out there today that can match the features of 6.5.x. As long as MS has business users I don't see them stopping development on 6.5.x
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As Chuong reported earlier today, a handful of tech reviewers have gotten to spend a couple of weeks with a Windows Phone 7 prototype devices made by Samsung called the Taylor. Overall the sentiment towards Windows Phone 7 is positive: reviewers agree that the operating system is generally well thought out, that it performs very well (with nearly no lag when jumping around the operating system), and that it has the potential to be a true contender in the mobile platform space.
After digging through several of these reviews, it's clear that there are a handful of features still missing from Windows Phone 7, some of which will be addressed by the time the platform launches this fall, but many of which will not. Here's a list:
- No Twitter integration
- No copy and paste
- No third-party multitasking
- No Flash, Silverlight, or HTML5 support in the browser
- No dedicated YouTube application
- No robust document editing capabilities in Office
- No way to stop Facebook contacts from mixing with global contacts
- No global email inbox
- No threaded email
- No organization of the full program list (it's alphabetical)
- No way of knowing if a long press is available
- No universal search
Some of these aren't too big of a deal and are very specific to use case scenarios that not everyone will experience (like adding multiple email accounts to a phone, etc). But some of the big ones like the lack of multitasking and Twitter integration could provide a reason for potential buyers to go with another smartphone platform.
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- No way to stop Facebook contacts from mixing with global contacts
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You can do it relatively easily if you don't use Facebook directly but via Live, I think.
My 2 cents:
- No Twitter integration
Stupid when Facebook is there
- No copy and paste
Discussed so many times yet still unbelievable.
- No third-party multitasking
May be in the future?
- No Flash, Silverlight, or HTML5 support in the browser
Very bad indeed.
- No dedicated YouTube application
Will be I believe.
- No robust document editing capabilities in Office
Crazy.
- No way to stop Facebook contacts from mixing with global contacts
That will be a really annoying thing. What if I DON'T have Facebook??!!
- No global email inbox
??
- No threaded email
I don't care.
- No organization of the full program list (it's alphabetical)
Again a stupid, strange step BACKWARDS
- No way of knowing if a long press is available
Hmmm....
- No universal search
Awesome :-(
To sum it up, well....
I have to touch it of course.
But comparing this to WM 6.5 I see the main change will be interface itself.
Regarding functionality - so many things missing as hell.
yup, W7 is looking like a bag of sh*t
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- No Twitter integration
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There's already several Twitter apps for WP7 - The notification system allows seamlessly integration.
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- No copy and paste
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Read the 2000 other threads on this -- c&p is pointless, and not needed. I'm tired of repeating the arguments in every bloody thread.
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- No third-party multitasking
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Same as above.
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- No Flash, Silverlight, or HTML5 support in the browser
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Wrong. No HTML5 support, mainly because it's still a draft.
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- No dedicated YouTube application
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Write one, or let Google do that. I don't think Google would like Microsoft to write one for sure.
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- No robust document editing capabilities in Office
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Invalid. Better Office integration than any other phone on the market.
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- No way to stop Facebook contacts from mixing with global contacts
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Invalid, as there's no public phones out, you can't know this, thus it's a lie.
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- No global email inbox
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Wrong
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- No threaded email
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The email application ain't done yet, where's your proof?
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- No organization of the full program list (it's alphabetical)
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Use the search-button
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- No way of knowing if a long press is available
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Neither is on any other phone in the world.
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- No universal search
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Uniform search-api and seach-button support for all applications. Universal makes little sense.
ATHiEST said:
Some of these aren't too big of a deal and are very specific to use case scenarios that not everyone will experience (like adding multiple email accounts to a phone, etc). But some of the big ones like the lack of multitasking and Twitter integration could provide a reason for potential buyers to go with another smartphone platform.
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Multitasking is the LEAST important problem. When do you fools start realizing this?
And again, Twitter is just yet-another-application. Android and iPhone don't have Twitter support either, there's just 20 different Twitter apps for each platform.
@Windcape
As well as you have great valid points,
I must say that this of your sentence:
"c&p is pointless, and not needed. I'm tired of repeating the arguments in every bloody thread."
Where did you get that?!
It's a CRUICAL feature on any device.
Maybe you're this person who don't use it, maybe you never do
any serious stuff on your device, but why do you spread here such a false and pointlesss information?! It's the same as you'd say that a phone doesn't need a speaker.
It's the basic function, present on any mobile OS since 2000,
and also supported even by those who wanted to omit it and tell people they know better.
It's a BASIC function with any txt work, whether it's office, mail.
Man, how hard is it to get it? Or what false logic brought you to this senseless conclusion?
I hope you'll never be responsible for any serious development with such false statements.
No, it's not a crucial feature. The navigation-handlers allows for much better transitions than using c&p.
A smartphone is not a PC -- People use it differently, and copy&paste doesn't make sense. A lot of you might think it's easy to implement for text, and partially is (WP7 only supports Unicode, there's your first challenge), but for random objects (images, binary, etc.) it's a completely other story.
Instead of just repeating yet another "omg no copy&paste", then perhaps read some of the lengthy discussions about the subject, instead of believing in it in blind faith.
I would ask the relevant user groups, and have their reaction. Nerds who think they need c&p, but actually never use it, are not a relevant user group. Ask people who got a iPhone or Android if they uses copy&paste often, or if they missed it on previous versions of the iPhone. They'll probably say no.
Hell, where I need it most is in my browser, and Android's default browser have such terrible support, that it doesn't work anyway. I'd rather have a navigation-handler auto-converting emails to click-to-open-email-application links.
This argument is getting tiresome. Can we move on to something else? Like complaining about lack of socket APIs and SL4 support?
Windcape - some of those are legit. There is no way to downselect your FB friends, no threaded email, and no unified/global email inbox. See the many reviews for evidence. While it's not quite done, it's pretty darn close. They have to give the OEMs lead time in order to be able to manufacture devices with the RTM code on it.
But to the OP et al, see this post on WMPowerUsers which echos my sentiments very closely. Basically, calm down... take a deep breath.
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No, it's not a crucial feature. The navigation-handlers allows for much better transitions than using c&p.
A smartphone is not a PC -- People use it differently, and copy&paste doesn't make sense. A lot of you might think it's easy to implement for text, and partially is (WP7 only supports Unicode, there's your first challenge), but for random objects (images, binary, etc.) it's a completely other story.
Instead of just repeating yet another "omg no copy&paste", then perhaps read some of the lengthy discussions about the subject, instead of believing in it in blind faith.
I would ask the relevant user groups, and have their reaction. Nerds who think they need c&p, but actually never use it, are not a relevant user group. Ask people who got a iPhone or Android if they uses copy&paste often, or if they missed it on previous versions of the iPhone. They'll probably say no.
Hell, where I need it most is in my browser, and Android's default browser have such terrible support, that it doesn't work anyway. I'd rather have a navigation-handler auto-converting emails to click-to-open-email-application links.
This argument is getting tiresome. Can we move on to something else? Like complaining about lack of socket APIs and SL4 support?
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Listen, are you reading with comprehension?!
Who gave you the right to call me nerd huh?
I think you're rather nerd who doesn't really speak on the topic.
Don't tell me or anybody else how we actually use our devices!
How do you know? Have we met?
You're incompetent troll, like somebody else stated in other thread.
Maybe go to other forums instead of telling complete lies here.
Also your sentence:
"I'd rather have a navigation-handler auto-converting emails to click-to-open-email-application links."
Has NOTHING to do with work on txt!
Please move away from here with your "maybe" and "probably".
If it's actually based on hands-on reviews, then I'll agree it might be considered a problem.
The thing is, half of the articles out there complaining about the phone, is basing it off data from Feburary/March, or unlocked emulators -- both I consider highly invalid.
And I'm calm, I'm just annoyed we got 50 threads with focus on multitasking and c&p, which is the most irrelevant problems there is from a developer perspective.
I find it much bigger issues that the phone only support Unicode, don't have socket APIs yet (because it runs SL2/SL3, and not SL4). And a few other things here and there which is vital to application development.
People keep nitpicking about the least important issues, which sadly removes focus from the important problems.
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Listen, are you reading with comprehension?!
Who gave you the right to call me nerd huh?
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We're posting on a forum for mobile hackers, that means we're nerds
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Don't tell me or anybody else how we actually use our devices! How do you know? Have we met?
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It's more likely that technical interested people focus on more technical features.
Most people who buy a iPhone 4 don't buy it because it can do copy&paste, but because it looks awesome, and have a fantastic screen (Retina Display).
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"I'd rather have a navigation-handler auto-converting emails to click-to-open-email-application links."
Has NOTHING to do with work on txt!
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It have everything to do with regular phone use. Copying links, email addresses and phone numbers.
The phone isn't meant to be a Blackberry replacement, or a notepad replacement for editing Excel spreadsheets on the run.
One last thing:
You can implement copy&paste internally in your application. It's just c&p data between applications that's not supported.
I guess that helps a lot for your office/spreadsheeting edition, no?
ATHiEST said:
- No Twitter integration
- No copy and paste
- No third-party multitasking
- No Flash, Silverlight, or HTML5 support in the browser
- No dedicated YouTube application
- No robust document editing capabilities in Office
- No way to stop Facebook contacts from mixing with global contacts
- No global email inbox
- No threaded email
- No organization of the full program list (it's alphabetical)
- No way of knowing if a long press is available
- No universal search
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- Twitter will be back working with Windows Live soon. Twitter changed their APIs a month or two ago, and Microsoft need to update things to make it work again.
- Copy and Paste is coming in a future update
- Multitasking is also planned to be out in a future update
- Flash is coming in a few months after launch, Silverlight we don't know about
- We may see a YouTube app come from Google after launch, if not flash will work in the browser so that's all good
- As a start, the Office tools on Windows Phone 7 are good for basic editing, and collaboration. More features may come, but I do question if you need much more really, with such a small screen.
- We know when adding a Google account, you can choose to add all or only some of these options: Contacts, Calendar, Email. It is possible facebook integration can be done in the same way, but I don't use facebook, so I am not too fussed. However thanks to the Quick Jump List controls, you can click the letter in the blue box, and choose a letter to find your contact. Or even press the search button to find a contact.
- I actually prefer the idea of having a separation between my Live Mail and Outlook Email inboxes, and is a great way to maintain your work life balance if you are using the Phone for work, and personal uses. You do have a combined calendar, which does make sense, because you only have on schedule at a time
- Threaded mail, or conversation view, will be coming, you should know this as Outlook and Hotmail now support it.
- This one I agree with, I would like a button appear below the arrow on the left, to switch to flat list, category, favourites, or alphabetical sorting, using the Quick Jump Lists.
- Well, this is a trial and error thing, you don't get told when you have a right click menu available, there is no indicator, you just expect it and find it for yourself.
- If the Hub/App doesn't have internal search, the search button will pull up bing. In future dev tools, they will provide an API to override the search button as you can the back button presently. Patience, my friend, Patience!
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c&p is pointless, and not needed. I'm tired of repeating the arguments in every bloody thread.
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Write one, or let Google do that. I don't think Google would like Microsoft to write one for sure.
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Actually, these two statements contradict each other somewhat. By far the two most often reasons for me to watch a video on Youtube are a) watching embedded videos on web sites and b) getting a link in an email. Now, pray tell, how am I going to watch those videos in a third party application in a sandboxed environment without a way to open a URL directly in this application or without an ability to copy and paste this URL there? Let's say on many web sites I can search for the video if it's properly named, but what about this link in an email? Am I supposed to memorize it and type into the app? Or maybe write it down on a piece of paper?
I would certainly prefer it if links to videos opened directly in this Youtube app (or better yet, a standalone flash/video/html5/whatever player), that would be a "smartlinking" scenario that I would prefer to c&p. But that's not available either. C&P may be a kludge, but in the less than perfect world we live in those are often needed.
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And again, Twitter is just yet-another-application. Android and iPhone don't have Twitter support either, there's just 20 different Twitter apps for each platform.
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Now let's be consistent please. If we like the way data from multiple sources is integrated in WP7, a Twitter app isn't a perfect solution.
Twitter will be there though. It will be supported in Windows Live or separately. It's missing temporarily in the current version as Twitter changed their API or something like that.
@Windcape
Are you a tard??
a) I didn't write the review so stop quoting me as if I wrote the list and the trying to contradict me.
b) Dont need copy and paste? are you on crack? You must be because I can see endless list or reasons why its a MUST!
c) The review is NOT from a emulator its a HANDS ON review of a prototype phone!
Also people remember this isnt a list of what will NOT be in WP7, its basically a round up of features currently still not in WP7, OBVIOUSLY its not finished and will have more to come.
Either way I still think the OS looks like sh*t, But the flashaholic in me will still end up flashing it to my HD2 when/if its ported.
a) It's easier to quote you to respond to the points. Why is that a problem? Wasn't the whole point with quoting the important points of the article to turn them into a discussion?
b) No, and there's little reason to be rude.
c) O'rly
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Now, pray tell, how am I going to watch those videos in a third party application in a sandboxed environment without a way to open a URL directly in this application
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A 3rd party application will be able to register a navigation handler so you can open youtube links in a youtube application if necessary. Just like Skype plugin for PC browsers today.
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but what about this link in an email? Am I supposed to memorize it and type into the app?
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Navigation handlers will also apply to emails.
Basically you'll just have to click it. Much easier than copy, change application, paste, and activate it.
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that would be a "smartlinking" scenario that I would prefer to c&p. But that's not available either.
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Yes it is? That's how it's intended to be, and why Microsoft don't consider c&p a priority atm.
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Now let's be consistent please. If we like the way data from multiple sources is integrated in WP7, a Twitter app isn't a perfect solution.
Twitter will be there though. It will be supported in Windows Live or separately. It's missing temporarily in the current version as Twitter changed their API or something like that.
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Well, on the "other" mobile platforms Twitter is just yet-another-application. If Microsoft integrates it in Windows Live, it's just better than the others.
It's not a loss either way.
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A 3rd party application will be able to register a navigation handler so you can open youtube links in a youtube application if necessary. Just like Skype plugin for PC browsers today.
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That would solve the problem indeed, but could you provide a source for this information? This is the first time I hear about a way for a third party application to meddle with IE/mail client behavior in WP7, and when I asked Brandon Watson he said nothing like that would be possible.
Dude, there is a edit button, no need to keep double posting. Oh and YES "rly", read the topic.
btw, what about copy and pasting files?, or even blocks of txt's like in a document or web page for example or am I missing something here, that seems a pretty simple but integral part of windows to me, ffs this isnt apple its windows.
Applications have access to the internet, and files on the internet, it just cannot run in the background or access local files outside of its own local isolated storage. (unless there is a task, launcher, or chooser available to apps)
Native Twitter feeds will be coming soon, Windows Live had it until Twitter changed some APIs, and it will be brought back.
Microsoft have not said Copy & Paste is not a priority, only that in order to get the phone out in time for an Autumn/Winter release, and that it will be coming soon.
How do you inform Microsoft officially about things that stop you enjoying WP7 ??
Is there are phone number or email address etc ??
The privacy thing really bugs me that you don`t have the option to stop text messages popping up on my locked screen for example.
Also I would like them to fix the ability to search GAL with Exchange 2002 as it means I must carry two phones.
I am sure if Microsoft want to improve the experience for more users they would apprieciate feed back but I have no idea how to contact them... Tried calling thier UK customer service but it was a waste of time.
Have you tried social.answers.Microsoft.com?
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Have you tried social.answers.Microsoft.com?
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Correct, the current official way to submit feedback is http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/windowsphone7/threads or http://forums.create.msdn.com/forums/ for feedback on development
Well I am sure many multinational companies still use exchange 2002 and my colleagues Iphone supports it for GAL but wp7 does not slightly embarrassing.
If you have bugs, I'm happy to report them to Microsoft for you. I don't work for them, but I am in direct touch with the WP7 platform manager.
I will not, however, report feature requests right now.
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Well I am sure many multinational companies still use exchange 2002.
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Oh? How sure?
im not sure if its a bug. but some things down show up on my facebook wall (when u click the "me" tile)
for example, pictures people upload and tag of me. it shows the ones i upload tho.
also.. would be nice to be able to tag the people im taking pictures.... but the first one. not sure if thats a bug. or just a missing feature. ur judgment call. but it would sure help so i can stop the drunken madness pictures before everyone else sees them. lol (prefeably be able to stop them when im still drunk. and not hung over in the morning checking facebook on my laptop)
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Oh? How sure?
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If you have bugs, I'm happy to report them to Microsoft for you. I don't work for them, but I am in direct touch with the WP7 platform manager.
I will not, however, report feature requests right now.
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Could you please let them know alot of my friends and colleagues have been put off by not having the option to switch off the feature where new text messages display their contents in the notification panel. This even happens when the screen is locked and can be embarrassing when its personal or commercially sensitive information is being displayed in full view of other people.
Also will Global Address Lists be available when using Exchage 2003 or even 2003 (not sure which my company uses). It makes my work life easier to have this feature which I had in windows mobile and Iphone has it to.
Thanks
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Could you please let them know alot of my friends and colleagues have been put off by not having the option to switch off the feature where new text messages display their contents in the notification panel. This even happens when the screen is locked and can be embarrassing when its personal or commercially sensitive information is being displayed in full view of other people.
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There's a high tech solution to this: flip your phone so the screen is facing downwards when it's locked. Unless Superman is under the table, nobody will see anything.
The answer to this thread is provided HERE in post #6 by egzthunder1.
The short answer is that it is a technical issue with the site that is being worked on.
I know I'm not the only person on this site who cares about this. For those of you who don't know, Windows Mobile is a completely different operating system than Windows Phone 7.
I mean know disrespect to the news writers. Let me make that perfectly clear. I really enjoy reading the articles. The only thing that really bugs me, as a Windows Mobile user, is that some of these article get tagged as Windows Mobile when their content is about Windows Phone 7. Considering these are two completely different operating systems based on similar platforms, one can see where this would get confusing and frustrating.
To give an example, this would be like writing an article on an Android application and then tagging it as a Linux app. They're similar, but different operating systems.
Below are examples of this from the XDA Developers Twitter feed.
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Windows Mobile: YouTube App Re-Designed for Windows Phone 7 http://bit.ly/m58d03
May 11 via Twitter
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Windows Mobile: Mango or Windows Phone 7.5 Unveiling on May 24th http://bit.ly/lpa6y4
May 11 via Twitter
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Windows Mobile: SMS machine for Windows Phone 7 http://bit.ly/miGLQZ
May 10 via Twitter
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Windows Mobile: Supergames Mobile Brights Finger-Friendly Flash Fun to your Windows Mobile Phone http://bit.ly/k9ONv2
May 9 via Twitter
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Windows Mobile: Game - Teleport7 for Windows Phone 7 http://bit.ly/kI1OtC
May 9 via Twitter
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These are from the past three days of tweets. Out of the five of them that are tagged as Windows Mobile, only one is actually for the platform.
I have brought this issue up before in the (requests) From the Users to the Mods & Admins thread. Both times, it was ignored.
Post #1
Post #2
I'm not bringing this up to start trouble. I simply would like the tags to change to the proper operating system in the articles posted to the portal.
I'll flag this to the news writer team.
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... I simply would like the tags to change to the proper operating system in the articles posted to the portal.
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Thank you, CFB. I also get frustrated in seeing a post that I think might interest me, only to find out it is for Windows Phone 7. I have little to no interest in this as a windows mobile user, and have little to no interest in switching to a Windows Phone 7 phone at the present time.
I have been tweeting for this every day ......... Come'n boys ...just fix it ...
Like rigth NOW
Here's another one from this morning:
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Windows Mobile: ChatCentral for Windows Phone 7 http://bit.ly/jRV9Cx
6 hours ago via Twitter
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cajunflavoredbob said:
I know I'm not the only person on this site who cares about this. For those of you who don't know, including, apparently, the news writers, Windows Mobile is a completely different operating system than Windows Phone 7.
I mean know disrespect to the news writers. Let me make that perfectly clear. I really enjoy reading the articles. The only thing that really bugs me, as a Windows Mobile user, is that some of these article get tagged as Windows Mobile when their content is about Windows Phone 7. Considering these are two completely different operating systems based on similar platforms, one can see where this would get confusing and frustrating.
To give an example, this would be like writing an article on an Android application and then tagging it as a Linux app. They're similar, but different operating systems.
Below are examples of this from the XDA Developers Twitter feed.
These are from the past three days of tweets. Out of the five of them that are tagged as Windows Mobile, only one is actually for the platform.
I have brought this issue up before in the (requests) From the Users to the Mods & Admins thread. Both times, it was ignored.
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Post #2
I'm not bringing this up to start trouble. I simply would like the tags to change to the proper operating system in the articles posted to the portal.
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We know this is the case. I have been around since the days of the Wallaby, trust me... I know the difference between Windows Phone 7 and Windows Mobile. It isn't confusing to me or anyone in my team as we are all well versed on all of the above OS'. We are simply limited by the inability to tag WP7 articles as they should. The problem is that we have a limitation in the Categories that we can use in the Portal. Adding an extra category (WP7) with the current skin will break the formatting of the page and will make the articles and pictures start bleeding into each other. I have already tried it, which is why I am telling you this... the skin in the Portal needs a bit of tweaking and will be corrected eventually.
You were not ignored and I have been talking to the owners about this since WP7 forums started popping up on XDA as I knew this would happen. I will bring this up again with the owners and see if it can be changed.
BTW, please next time, don't assume that we don't know what we are talking about without asking us first (and I don't mean just posting in a thread, you could have pm'ed me if it was that much of a concern... I don't always check the General section). Thanks for bringing this up again.
Edit: Please change your Twitter message.
Right, as egzthunder1 says, it's a technical issue. I'll add this to the queue to be fixed ASAP.
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The News Writers Team know about the differences between WM and WP7, as mentioned above it's a technical issue
egzthunder1 said:
We know this is the case. I have been around since the days of the Wallaby, trust me... I know the difference between Windows Phone 7 and Windows Mobile. It isn't confusing to me or anyone in my team as we are all well versed on all of the above OS'. We are simply limited by the inability to tag WP7 articles as they should. The problem is that we have a limitation in the Categories that we can use in the Portal. Adding an extra category (WP7) with the current skin will break the formatting of the page and will make the articles and pictures start bleeding into each other. I have already tried it, which is why I am telling you this... the skin in the Portal needs a bit of tweaking and will be corrected eventually.
You were not ignored and I have been talking to the owners about this since WP7 forums started popping up on XDA as I knew this would happen. I will bring this up again with the owners and see if it can be changed.
BTW, please next time, don't assume that we don't know what we are talking about without asking us first (and I don't mean just posting in a thread, you could have pm'ed me if it was that much of a concern... I don't always check the General section). Thanks for bringing this up again.
Edit: Please change your Twitter message.
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Thanks for the replies. I'm glad to hear it will be worked on. Sorry if the OP sounded condescending. I just reread it in the reply. I honestly didn't mean it to come out like that.
As for being ignored, though, I had no idea that anyone was looking into this. No one ever issued a reply about it either time it was reported. I wasn't entirely certain to whom the issue should be brought, so I posted twice about it in the requests thread.
I will edit the thread title and OP content once I get home to reflect this information. Also my Twitter status has been updated to reflect this news as well. I can't control when Twitsig will update the change, though.
Title and OP edited to reflect the answer. Again, sorry if anyone felt insulted by my poor wording. I assure you guys that I did not mean it in the way it sounded.
Now fixed
Our Portal Admin just let us know about modified the formatting of the Portal to allow for the fifth (and missing) category, so now and on articles will be able to be flagged as Windows Phone
Case closed
Thanks
orb3000 said:
Our Portal Admin just let us know about modified the formatting of the Portal to allow for the fifth (and missing) category, so now and on articles will be able to be flagged as Windows Phone
Case closed
Thanks
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Thanks a ton to you guys for fixing this so quickly! All of us remaining Windows Mobile users are grateful!!!
Can't seem to have a clear answer... Will VOIP (such as skype, Viber...) work in the background on WP7.8?
In my opinion, this makes a huge difference for most.
If you want to compare Windows phone (the Lumia 900 for example) with other same standard phones... The 900 is amazing. However, it majorly lacks VOIP running in the background.
Recent WP customers may have known the risk of not getting WP8... but the skype thing is something else.
Anyway, I'm just wondering if it's official... will WP7.8 support skype in the background or not?
So far there have been no specifics on what exactly the 7.8 update will contain. Nokia has said they would bring anything in that didn't require new hardware but we have to wait and see what that is. Hopefully it will be more than just the new home screen.
considering at the dev conference when the presenter was asked to swipe sideways from home screen to the app list and he said "I can't it will crash"..... who knows what is going to be available where. All they are confirming is the home screen. Anything else at this point is just a guess.
Definitely NO. The only new feature that will come with 7.8 is the new home screen.
foxbat121 said:
Definitely NO. The only new feature that will come with 7.8 is the new home screen.
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its a yes, 20th event was only a 'sneak peek' for developers as their title suggest. They didn't say they were announcing everything and unlike last year mango they were more secretive now to prevent google from reversing.
In the coming months you will see Microsoft unveiling more featured then RTM and release to public
Moreover windows phone 7.8 might still be there even after WP9 for lower end device, we will still see support.
hx4700 Killer said:
considering at the dev conference when the presenter was asked to swipe sideways from home screen to the app list and he said "I can't it will crash"..... who knows what is going to be available where. All they are confirming is the home screen. Anything else at this point is just a guess.
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If the only feature they did announce isn't even working 100% yet, how can something much more complex like integrating VOIP and changes in multitasking possibly have any hope of shipping. My guess is that the VOIP API is tied to the Win RTP kernel. We can hope and dream for it to show up in a 7.9+ (if there is ever any). But I'm not holding my breath.
LastBattle said:
its a yes
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Says who. Just because they didn't anounce futher details, doesn't mean it is yes. The feature Skype relies on is such a big change in OS level as well as SilverLight player level that I doubt MS will port them over in such a short time frame.
foxbat121 said:
Definitely NO. The only new feature that will come with 7.8 is the new home screen.
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And your sources are.....?
Words of advice: If MS is keeping their lips tight about something, it either will not happen or you will receive a negative outcome that crumbles your speculation. So, NO
MS mobile division have done enough that I can tell just by observing how they respond to the matters.
No since Windows CE kernel doesn't have proper background task support.
RandomXIII said:
No since Windows CE kernel doesn't have proper background task support.
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That's wrong. Win CE kernel has multi-tasking support from long time ago. However, the WP7 layer on top of that, specifically the silver light player that is used for normal app support lacks that. Unless MS wants to make a native Skype app that runs below the WP7 app layer, there is no easy way to add that. Either way it is a rather big task and I just don't see MS spends resource to do that. Besides, a lot of the customers could care less about Skype support. It is not a make or break feature in general.
The ball is really on Nokia's court to bring WP8 to Lumia 900. It is possible and actually critical for Nokia's own sake (customer satisfaction).
Let me highlight my response in bold so that you people can read: "proper background task support." Does WP7 has proper background task support ? No.
You should read your own posts properly. Win CE does have proper background task support (as proper as Android is). WP7 doesn't as far as 3rd party apps go but select few first party apps from Microsoft can indeed run as true back ground tasks.
RandomXIII said:
Let me highlight my response in bold so that you people can read: "proper background task support." Does WP7 has proper background task support ? No.
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Music player... phone calls.... background support is possible. DUH.
hx4700 Killer said:
Music player... phone calls.... background support is possible. DUH.
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Microsoft officially announced what will be in 7.8: new home screen, 100,000 apps and counting, and Nokia Lumia exclusive apps.
I hate to admit it, but I have a feeling it's true... Lumias won't be able to run VOIP in the background.
MS/Nokia could find excuses, explanations, promises, etc... Bottom line is $125 android devices can run VOIP in the background while $600 Lumias can't.
If MS keep their lips tight, expect the worst. Nokia went out of way saying their entry level Lumia 610 could run skype, MS didn't comment; well that came back and bit them.
tabraoui said:
I hate to admit it, but I have a feeling it's true... Lumias won't be able to run VOIP in the background.
MS/Nokia could find excuses, explanations, promises, etc... Bottom line is $125 android devices can run VOIP in the background while $600 Lumias can't.
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