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Has anyone looked in to this to see if it is something that we could possibly port over/modify to work on our phones and benefit from?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=749495
I did a search and didn't see any topics started on this so I figured it was worth asking.
It increased the quadrant scores tremendously for the Galaxy S.
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Galaxy class phones have serious lag problems due to installation of apps on slow sd.
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If someone wants to compile a new kernel with the "fix" implemented, sure. You would need a class 6 sdcard to see any benefit from it though. The EVO guys are doing it and seeing numbers over 2000. There's no reason it wouldn't work. Though, you probably wouldnt notice any practical difference in the phone in regular use. I'm assuming the quadrant increase is due to the read write speeds being much higher using a card that fast, thus increasing the I/O score on quadrant.
What people don't seem to realize is that quadrant score is an average of the different tests, and not just a blanket score to use for comparisons...on the galaxy s it does fix the lag problem they have. Watch one do a quadrant test. The I/O test takes over a minute. A nice aide effect of the fix is that it inflates quadrant scores. The incredible is far from laggy, so you'd basically be doing it just to see a higher quadrant score.
You'd also have to figure out a way to use the Amon-RA recovery instead of clockwork, as only it can partition the sdcard in the correct way to implement this...
I'd actually love to see people try more things with the kernels, the ones we have are nice, but pretty basic. The EVO guys also have one that actively adjusts the cpu voltage based on speed and temperature, it's supposed to really increase the battery life. I guess that's probably due to the EVO not having the same supply shortages, and the fact they gave out a ton of them free to developers at the google conference, lol.
Now me and 4 of my friends have EVOs and I rooted all of them. Some of this EVOs are hardware verson 003 and one of them is 002. 2 are novatec and 3 are epson. We are all running fresh 3.1.0.2 with netarchy-toastmod-4.1.8 bfs, mine has 4.1.9 BETA, but my one friend is running CM6 RC2 because he loves it. Now all of these EVOs can overclock to 1.27 GHz but when we do it they freeze and crash. My one friend can go up to 1.22 just fine but the rest of us are stuck at 1.19. I want to know why this happens. If our phones cant take that much why have it. What's the point we have 5 EVOs here none can handle it. Im I doing something wrong is the a joke WTF!!
All the phones are different. Most can't oc past 1152 without causing reboots, mine included. Other than ridiculous benchmark numbers, I don't think you'll notice a huge difference in performance.
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dglowe343 said:
All the phones are different. Most can't oc past 1152 without causing reboots, mine included. Other than ridiculous benchmark numbers, I don't think you'll notice a huge difference in performance.
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I dont really care about performance I just wanted to know why this happens and dont get me started on benchmark numbers its just and ****ing number who cares as long as the phone is running fast and sable and has good battery life then its fine some people go out of there way to make there benchmark the highest like CM-snap ver.7.0 kernel.
andre104623 said:
I dont really care about performance I just wanted to know why this happens and dont get me started on benchmark numbers its just and ****ing number who cares as long as the phone is running fast and sable and has good battery life then its fine some people go out of there way to make there benchmark the highest like CM-snap ver.7.0 kernel.
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Simple answer, not all chips are made the same. They are made to minimum standards. Your chip is rated to 1 ghz, and thats what the chip company delivered.
Some chips can handle more, but thats just luck.
As far as why do people strive for the high numbers, thats personal preference. Not everyone here cares about 30+ hours of battery life. Some just like the bragging rights.
Unfortunantly, all EVO's are not created equal. You can have the same hardware and version numbers on 2 devices, but one may be able to OC that high, and one may not. This is also why not everyone can run the superbattery kernel from the Baked Snack rom. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it.
and c'mon, watch the language. There are rules around here, you know?
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and c'mon, watch the language. There are rules around here, you know?
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Sorry, I thought we are all adults one swear now and again wont kill anyone
andre104623 said:
I dont really care about performance I just wanted to know why this happens and dont get me started on benchmark numbers its just and ****ing number who cares as long as the phone is running fast and sable and has good battery life then its fine some people go out of there way to make there benchmark the highest like CM-snap ver.7.0 kernel.
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actually, cm snap 7.0 and 7.1 are extremely stable, have great battery life and have excellent benchmarks as well. i dont have a single problem with cm snap kernels and i run at 1228mhz when fully charged.
andre104623 said:
I dont really care about performance I just wanted to know why this happens and dont get me started on benchmark numbers its just and ****ing number who cares as long as the phone is running fast and sable and has good battery life then its fine some people go out of there way to make there benchmark the highest like CM-snap ver.7.0 kernel.
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that's not going out of the way... it's making the phone as fast as possible. why do anything if you aren't gonna push the limit? how are you gonna develop if you don't push the limit?
Whats up with the 1230 mAH battery? even worse than the one on the desire? i realize this new cpu uses less power, but still they should have gone with an 1500 mAh battery to have decent battery life :/ im worried they sacrificed battery life to built a slimmer device
Is the screen regular lcd os super lcd?
Why did they remove the kickstand and the hdmi port?
so everybody loved every inch of the desire hd? no complaints?
I personally would wait for reviews before passing any judgement. Looking at specs alone can be deceiving.
Just a few weeks ago, people were complaining about the 800mhz cpu in the G2/DesireZ. But benchmarks show that it's just as fast, if not faster, than the 1ghz cpu in the Desire and Nexus One.
I agree with with the OP i was all set to pre order the Desire HD until i saw it had a smaller battery, HTC claim the new CPU etc requires a lot less power but i`ll hold on until people tell us what its like in the real world.
Well I like it for the SIZE...... and comes with FROYOOo.... The specs and the initial benchmarks tell the CPU is faster and the GPU is lil bit faster than the Galaxy S. We will wait and see.
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Well I like it for the SIZE
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have you used the phone yet or anything similar?
after my Touch HD i got the HD2 and it is HUGE, didnt feel right in my hand at all. sent it back and got a desire instead, so im not thinking i will like the desire HD
leroy said:
have you used the phone yet or anything similar?
after my Touch HD i got the HD2 and it is HUGE, didnt feel right in my hand at all. sent it back and got a desire instead, so im not thinking i will like the desire HD
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Agreed, a step too far in terms of size
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I personally would wait for reviews before passing any judgement. Looking at specs alone can be deceiving.
Just a few weeks ago, people were complaining about the 800mhz cpu in the G2/DesireZ. But benchmarks show that it's just as fast, if not faster, than the 1ghz cpu in the Desire and Nexus One.
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i know , btw i didnt complain with about the desire z cou haha , but what bugs me is that ok the new cpu might consume less, but take advantage of that an include the same battery as before to get BETTER battery life instead of trying to maintain the same crappy battery life
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i know , btw i didnt complain with about the desire z cou haha , but what bugs me is that ok the new cpu might consume less, but take advantage of that an include the same battery as before to get BETTER battery life instead of trying to maintain the same crappy battery life
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Yes, you didn't complain about the CPU. What I was trying to say is that you're complaining about a piece of hardware based on specs, just like how others were complaining about the 800mhz CPU previously.
My point is to just wait for the reviews. It could be that the battery life will last you a day and a half with heavy use. If that's the case, then there's no point in HTC slapping on a larger battery.
My opinion is battery life is the next big hurdle to overcome in terms of smartphones and I have to say I agree with the comments made along the lines of, where the battery is concerned, bigger is better.
It would be nice to go away for a few days without having to add to clean socks, skids and toilet bag, a mobile phone charger lol
unplug your pc and see how long that lasts?
These smart phones are mini computers ... and as such it's not suprising that you have to plug it in all the time ...
Look at the ATOM CPU... smaller CPU was ment for netbooks...
We have an evan smaller CPU .. ment for our " phones"
I agree with the comments and being an ex-user of HD2 which uses the same battery, the battery life really sucks as it will only last half a day when you have a lot of calls or sms.
What's the point of having a good specs smartphone but the battery cannot even last with such lithium ion, 1230mah battery since the size of the phone is so big?
In terms of sound and camera quality, HTC is still not good at these area no doubt they are in the smart phone market for many years than other manufacturers but their technology is still not as good.
Even if the firmware support is good but there is a limit with the hardware they have.
Just my sharing.
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I'm a desire owner, personally I think the HD is just too big,hence for a second phone, I have the x10 mini pro,perfect for making all my calls and texts , whilst I use my desire for all surfing needs.....
Desire white does look soooo sexy though!
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i know , btw i didnt complain with about the desire z cou haha , but what bugs me is that ok the new cpu might consume less, but take advantage of that an include the same battery as before to get BETTER battery life instead of trying to maintain the same crappy battery life
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I completely agree with you. Keeping the same battery + Better efficiency = Incredible battery life. I don't see why they would want to make it the same or "around" the same as the other handsets ??
What i care about battery, most stupidest and annoying design flaw is PUT ONLY 512mb rom to phone. Only ~40mb is left for all applications, mail cache, facebook & twitter & so on work memory (most of rom is used for android&sense&so on basic phone installation that you cannot modify without root). When free memory drops to 16mb, low memory warning is displayed and after that you cannot install any application, get updates and gmail sync is not working. so between 40mb and 16mb is 24mb cap available to use. Way too little!
fimae said:
What i care about battery, most stupidest and annoying design flaw is PUT ONLY 512mb rom to phone. Only ~40mb is left for all applications, mail cache, facebook & twitter & so on work memory (most of rom is used for android&sense&so on basic phone installation that you cannot modify without root). When free memory drops to 16mb, low memory warning is displayed and after that you cannot install any application, get updates and gmail sync is not working. so between 40mb and 16mb is 24mb cap available to use. Way too little!
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Yea unfortunately, I find that to take advantage of android to its absolute fullest, you have to root.
@chong
I have to counter your experience of the hd2 batt time. I easely cram over 15 hours from my hd2 - even if I run android.
I agree though that the 'out of the box' batt time is to low on most smartphones - but then again, most people doesn't seem to bother - iphone for example is terrible on batt time.
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I was expecting a lot more improvements from Desire HD versus the Desire.
Like:
- Higher resolution of the screen. It's 4.3 but the same resolution as the Desire, so you will end up with bigger pixels.
- Front facing camera. Facetime like experience is kinda girlie thingy, but actually ended up wanting this for example when you are on a long trip and you want to see your family.
- A faster processor - why not 1.2GHz?
- A kick stand, like the HTC Evo. Ended up wanting one of those while trying to watch some episodes of Friends on the plane. I had to hold the phone all the time - kinda frustrating.
At the end since it does not have higher specs compared to the Desire and since I swap my HD2, first because of Android, second because of the huge brick that I had to carry around, so I'm sticking with the Desire 1st gen.
why does everything has to be 4.3 inchs, I would love to see a better screen then an iphone 4G, and a tegra 2 Chip be awesome.
Think I'll lay off the Desire HD and Desire Z for now. There's not much noticeable improvement from our Desires. I'll wait for HTC's next big announcement
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=839687
How can we get a kernel to compare to this?! Holy hell!
thats in-freaking-sane that thing isn't made to run those speeds can't wait for the first my G2 caught fire stories because of this i mean come on 1.9 ghz and no real cooling basically means i'm cooking my processor
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=839687
How can we get a kernel to compare to this?! Holy hell!
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I got 2800 on my EVO using CM6.1 RC1 with snap7.6 turbo kernel and thats running at 1.2 GHz. There is a new Snap kernel coming out too (Snap9). Quadrant should be close to or at 3000 with that new kernel.
1.9GHz is soooooooooo fast holy titties
how in the world do you overclock a cpu 225%?
clock speed means nothing, its just a number.
my x2 athlon at 3.2ghz wont compare to a current 2ghz, im happy for them they were able to clock it that high but benchmarks will show real world results
I couldnt be happier with my evo regardless of what others can do with their phones
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1.9GHz is soooooooooo fast holy titties
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I was informed at the store that the G2 is a next generation Snapdragon than what the EVO has and thus can be mad overclocked. However to achieve those speeds I promise they aren't running stock voltages. And yeah, they are close to cooking that baby.
Amazing that Amazon had the G2 for FREE with new service the other day.
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It is easy to FaKE the scores lol!!!! Anyways it just a number and really dont mean much. I yet to really see a video of these number being legitament!!!
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Holy BALLS. They OC'd that thing a whole 1.1Ghz... That's insane. I would NOT want to push that processor that hard though. That's reducing the life of the phone by a very significant amount, especially considering how these phones have such crap heat dissipation.
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how in the world do you overclock a cpu 225%?
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How, because the G2 is already underclocked down from 1.2GHz for battery saving reasons. Really only a 50% increase, which is still substantial as the EVO only overclocks 20%. You can't actually run it that high though, you can run it at around 1.45GHz, so its back at that 20%.
Also, my friend's HD2 hits 3500 in quadrant on the DesireHD rom. It hits 2000 underclocked at 500 MHz. He is running android off a class 6 card, but thats still some crazy scores. So our phones can hit that too if someone much smarter than me has some free time.
Any idea? Most reviews i saw for the GNex shows it getting 1700-2000+.
Meaningless or not, i wanna know why it's so much less.
Wtf
just4747 said:
Any idea? Most reviews i saw for the GNex shows it getting 1700-2000+.
Meaningless or not, i wanna know why it's so much less.
Wtf
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I checked it right when I got the phone for the hell of it and got around the same number. The only thing I care about is if it will lag with daily use. If it doesn't I don't care if it has half a core and 1 byte of ram.
Quadrant scores are meaningless and don't give any indication of how the phone performs in real world use.
My old Galaxy S2 scored 4000+ in quadrant but does it feel 3 times faster than my Nexus definitely no!
Again, I don't care about what the test actually means but why are our scores so much lower on the same device compared to the reviews show? What is different and why? It leads me to believe that something is wrong.
I freaked too, but I think its bs. If you install System Monitor you can watch both CPU cores in action. Also, other bench tests clearly show that you're getting dual core performance. I think Quadrant will need an update.
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Again, I don't care about what the test actually means but why are our scores so much lower on the same device compared to the reviews show? What is different and why? It leads me to believe that something is wrong.
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I get around 1400+ as well in quadrant and I don't think there is anything wrong as when I first got my GS2 my scores where lower than what was seen online from reviewers as well.
Don't forget they probably had a phone with no extra apps on it or just the bare minimum which could also affect the scores.
daleski75 said:
I get around 1400+ as well in quadrant and I don't think there is anything wrong as when I first got my GS2 my scores where lower than what was seen online from reviewers as well.
Don't forget they probably had a phone with no extra apps on it or just the bare minimum which could also affect the scores.
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I got a 1700 reading from quadrant. I don't know if quadrant takes advantage of the dualcore cpu?
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Herman76 said:
I got a 1700 reading from quadrant. I don't know if quadrant takes advantage of the dualcore cpu?
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I think it doesn't and it needs a desperate update anyway to fully support ICS.
Someone correct me if I am wrong about quadrant standard not seeing both cores?
It's the higher resolution mainly.
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