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iPhone 4.0 will have multitasking? WP7, you better have that as well

Just came:
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...software_to_deliver_multitasking_support.html
Still not sure though ... but quite interesting.
If that is true, WP7 better to have it as well!

It's already been hinted that WP7S has multitasking. When you click back on the phone it's goes back to the last application or menu you were using.
Let's say you open Pictures, then you Open the Web Browser. If you click the back button then it will go back to pictures.

Yes, I know that, WP7 will have some sort of multitasking capability.
I just want to post news from other platform competitor (iPhone) so we can see that they are working on something ...
This year would be interesting on mobile world (WP7, iPhone 4, iPad?, HP Slate?).
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It's already been hinted that WP7S has multitasking. When you click back on the phone it's goes back to the last application or menu you were using.
Let's say you open Pictures, then you Open the Web Browser. If you click the back button then it will go back to pictures.
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Speaking of Tables, did you know that LG is supposedly making a WP7S tablet. I don't really care about that, but there are leaked videos of MS Courier which is the hottest thing I've ever seen. Also MS has some touch based OS called MS Locus. It's seens to be Webos, Android, and Iphone OS combined. Here's a pic
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krjcook said:
When you click back on the phone it's goes back to the last application or menu you were using.
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That's NOT multitasking

seed_al said:
That's NOT multitasking
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Please explain to me what multitasking is. It's a mobile device, what are you expecting multiple windows like you for A Full Blown Desktop OS? You can only view one app at a time. What kind of multitasking do you want? When you switch to another app, the app you were previously using pauses. If it was a IM, Web Browsing, Email or any other web based App it will continue to send information. It's the same if not similar multitasking that you see in Android.

Multitasking means that applications are actually running in the background.
On WP7S, they just save their sate and close or pause. That means they're not running = no multitasking.
(I might be wrong and maybe they are actually running, but everything currently hints that this is not the case and there's indeed no multitasking).
On Android, applications keep running. They just save their sate in case something goes wrong and they have to be closed (e.g. if the device runs out of RAM).

Yes, but is that a big difference? What does keeping an App open in the background benefit your anyway as long as it's readily available? It's not like that app is completely closes, it's just pauses to reduce it's footprint. When you go back it's immdiately available without any loading. Not like you see on the other fruity platform.

multi-tasking might not be really important from a normal user view---> i might be wrong....
however on a enterprise point of view, it is important. running ipblue at the background waiting for call or using office communicator at the background while checking out the email.

This has been discussed ad nauseum already. In many cases you need the application to actually run in background. MS and Apple do it for their own apps such as the music player. The whole question is whether we'll be able to use third-party apps that need it as well.

vangrieg said:
This has been discussed ad nauseum already. In many cases you need the application to actually run in background. MS and Apple do it for their own apps such as the music player. The whole question is whether we'll be able to use third-party apps that need it as well.
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true, believe in the near future, we will have more prominent answer.

This: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0rd3TD9g_Y
+ WP7 design and MS services
= perfect
(notice how elegantly it multitasks and how it also has tiles? It just looks ugly)

That's probably the only OS that actually has that type of multitasking besides the Pre.

krjcook said:
That's probably the only OS that actually has that type of multitasking besides the Pre.
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WM also has it if you install Task Facade. Android kinda has it (shows you a list of apps when you long press the home button).

you can discuss forever it won't change anything. wait for the OS and see for yourselves.

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Android kinda has it (shows you a list of apps when you long press the home button).
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That just shows your 6 recently launched apps, not nessecarily running though.

who gives a **** about the iphone ??? if uve handled a snapdragon phone , and after u get an iphone in ur hand , ur wipe ur ass with it and its ugly low res screen
its history , stop riding it

WP7 will be king
Iam very confident in windows phone7 and its ability to handle Xbox games and tasks. So confident that for WVGA devices like touchpro2 I made a demo of what it would be like and I put it here.

My best guess is that WP7 still uses windows CE as its code base and inherits multitasking support. Seems like multitasking is not a big deal though as WP7 moves away from the multiple application concept.

Although we have heard rumors that WP7S will have preemptive multitasking, if you think about it, the live tiles really defeat the purpose of multitasking.
Say you have a (multi-platform) twitter app.
In Android, you can leave this open and come back to it anytime and it will be up-to-date, but you don't receive any notification.
When using live tiles in WP7S, you can run your twitter app and then switch over to another app, and, although your twitter app will close, while your doing other things your app's live tile can be checking for updates periodically and even display the most recent tweet directed towards you on the homesreen. That way, when you go back to the homesreen, you can see that there's a new tweet, and launch the now-updated app.

Windows Phone 7 - Multitasking conecpt

Hi Guys,
hope i'm somehow right here and you are - more or less - interested in my concept/idea.
I didn't really know about this forum, but some guy in an other forum suggest i should post it here. Well... i do, don't know...
Anyway. Since the day i knew that WP7 wouldn't have any multitasking from the start, i was pretty sure how i would let it look like.
And a few days ago i saw the pictures of version 7753 with this search-button on the rightside and i realized, that MS could actually use that space.
So i decided that it would be time to visualize my thoughts, so here they are:
htt p://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5137/mulasking.png
Instead of the search-button i'd put a taskbar-icon at that place. Pressing the icon drops the actual taskbar with all running programms. By pressing an icon you can directly go into the programm/app, by pressing and holding the icon you can close it. And with the little up-showing arrow you can close the taskbar.
I also made the mail-hub a "wide-hub" (don't know how to call it...). First of all, i love those "wide-hubs", but it would also be nice, to see who wrote your latest recieved email and whats the topic is.
And last but not least i would like to split the zune-functions. I use the zune-hub basicly for listing to my music for example, so it would be nice, to sort out that function and create a music-tile on the homescreen. This could also work with videos, podcasts etc.
And... while i was in the mood i made some customization-concepts. I tried to keep all basic Metro-elemnts and just improve some things.
The transparancy is not knew, i know that it was introduced in an earlier conecpt by someone else, but it's a nice idea and i'd just love to see something like that. Of course it only make sense, if you can put pictures or at least gradients (like in the mentioned concept) on your homescreeb background.
htt p://img846.imageshack.us/img846/1870/custom.png
At last i thought about some all-over-themes, where you can't individually customize your UI, but use themes. For exempale i love the zune-look with, which is why i even made three different zune-themes.
htt p://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7904/themesl.png
C&C is of course appreciated... in any way.
And sorry if i'm totaly wrong here.

Buddy i can not see the pictures...It says to login to imageshack! Please Upload them somewhere else or you can upload them here.
Regards.

No. I'm a first-time-poster so i can't put outgoing links into my posts. At least as long as i havn't made 8 posts. ;-)
But i put a [space] between the htt_p. Thats why those links won't work with simple copy-paste. You just have to erase that little space there and the links will work.
At least they do it for me and i also have no imageshack-account. o.0

I can see the pictures okay. It makes good use of the blank space below the "next screen" arrow in WP7.
Maybe this is why Microsoft left the area blank The only thing I do not like is the way you did the close menu. I would do it like the OS has the menu system - bottom. It would also give you more options.

Can you give me wallpaper on the second slide?

wow! i think your concept of multitasking is fantastic! i really like the way it looks and its a very smart use of the space on the right of the home screen!

Looks really good! But what if you want to switch while being in an app?
I can see the wide eMail icon come really soon! Hopefully ;-)

Cyruss89 said:
Looks really good! But what if you want to switch while being in an app?
I can see the wide eMail icon come really soon! Hopefully ;-)
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Ditto to your comment. I was wondering the same thing about switching within an app.
After all, having return to the home screen is what we CURRENTLY must do... There's no advantage in this unless you can call up the task manager from within any app.

TexUs said:
Ditto to your comment. I was wondering the same thing about switching within an app.
After all, having return to the home screen is what we CURRENTLY must do... There's no advantage in this unless you can call up the task manager from within any app.
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well honestly i wouldn't have a problem with it. by the time multitasking comes out we will be so accustomed to returning to the home screen to do anything so it wouldn't be much of a hassle

TeNsTrKe15 said:
well honestly i wouldn't have a problem with it. by the time multitasking comes out we will be so accustomed to returning to the home screen to do anything so it wouldn't be much of a hassle
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This is just adding a second set of tiles to the homescreen. That's it. Unless there's some way to open that taskmanager up within any app- it's no different than what there currently exists.

TexUs said:
This is just adding a second set of tiles to the homescreen. That's it. Unless there's some way to open that taskmanager up within any app- it's no different than what there currently exists.
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yea i can see what you mean. opening the multitasking in an app would be nice. but it would not affect me to have to return to the home screen

Yeah, you're right. That was, was I was kinda missing.
But here is where the actual multitasking that MS showed before could come to work again. While you're in an app you press the back-button a litte bit longer. What than shows up could look like it does now in the "officel concept", or maybe like this...
htt p://img839.imageshack.us/img839/4185/multi2d.png
... just a quick idea.
I'll have a second thought about it.
And thanks for all the comments anyway. Made my at least think of something i obviously forgott.

TexUs said:
Ditto to your comment. I was wondering the same thing about switching within an app.
After all, having return to the home screen is what we CURRENTLY must do... There's no advantage in this unless you can call up the task manager from within any app.
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Agreed.
I like the minimalist use of that side space, but I'm not sure a multi-tasking menu there is any improvement over the Mango demos. However, it might be a decent space for a "recent app" history bar, a toggle-able notification menu (a la Android/WebOS), or something along those lines.

Thurgo.Ôd said:
Yeah, you're right. That was, was I was kinda missing.
But here where the actual multitasking that MS showed before would come to work again. While you're in an app you press the back-button a litte bit longer. What then shows up could look like it does now, or like this...
htt p://img839.imageshack.us/img839/4185/multi2d.png
... just a quick idea.
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i do have to say that is a fine idea. keeps all the tiles as the are on in the games area (like how if you enter multitasking on iOS the icons pop up with the same size as if they were on the main screen). so yea everything stays equal. both ideas are great! would be awesome to see microsoft impement one of them!

Very cool work! All of these are pretty realistic additions and I hope Microsoft eventually does something like this.

Your multitasking and customisation concepts look really good. I'd love to have multitasking like this.
After all, I would start the taskmanager by longpressing the Windows-button too.
Official concept says it will be longpressing the back-button but in my opinion you'll need the taskmanager more often than this useless voicecommand.

since ms is not yet done with their own concept of mt., i hope they are still open to other great suggestions such as this one. it maximizes the blank space on the right side, simple and neat. its a great concept. hope what they have presented in mwc will not be the final code for mt. they need to think of ways on how to simplify it and one good example is this one.
there are also pic in wmpoweruser about themes and transparent tiles
http://wmpoweruser.com/another-windows-phone-7-multi-tasking-concept/
good job on the concept.

Loved your ideas when I read them on WMPoweruser this morning (thumbs thanks to WMPoweruser). So here are some pics to help spread the good word:
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And here are OP's original links:
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HOLY ****! ;O
This is even better than I ever thought! Hey there, Microsoft, we are talking to you!
Pay attention on this. Seriously.

The multitasking concept is absolutely brilliant.
Fits to metro in a much nicer way than these webOS cards.

[Future Release] Tile Concept

So I was thinking the other day that there is no reason why some tiles couldn't be smaller. It would be cool if you could long hold a tile and have an option com up to split it into a half tile. Other hub like tiles could be further subdivided. I use IE to demonstrate this, but the music up could allow you to pin a favorite artist or two to it. Or the game hub could likewise use 1/2 tile to display game invites, and then two 1/4 tiles to link directly to your two favorite games. What are your thoughts?
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Edit: here is what it would look like in your hand:

+1!
I would love to see this

like this too...

Here's what I've been wanting MS to do, 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 and full width sizes

If only Microsoft would actually come in here and read some of this stuff...

Genius!
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I realy like it too. Eather I don't understand why there is no option to make smaller icons at the beginig of WP7.

There should be an option when pinning to the home screen which size you want. It would call for more work on the dev's part to add all of the extra icons in their apps that encompass all of the sizes, but WP7 is already easy to work with.

this will be great..... i hope MS will look at this and add this to the mango update...

hmmm, honestly dont really like the split tiles. Just doesnt look as clean and simplistic as the original. I like the interface as it is now, however adding more options or subdivisons(and not separate tiles) within a single tile would be welcome.

hey, they're almost icons, keep going!

PsychoAssasin said:
hmmm, honestly dont really like the split tiles. Just doesnt look as clean and simplistic as the original. I like the interface as it is now, however adding more options or subdivisons(and not separate tiles) within a single tile would be welcome.
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You are probably one of 1000 who don't like this opinion. So if you don't like, just use biger icons. Us who like smaller, than could use smaller.

I really like this layout. It adds diversity to the screen and also allows you to see more at the first glimpse. I would really welcome this, but I am pretty confident we'll never see this

I would love this layout as an option! Make it so that to add it you would need to go into the app settings, then people wouldnt complain about it being mandatory.
Edit- Imagine this concept with a facebook app, you could have different parts of the tile split into different functions, like one could be facebook chat with notifications, just a straight notifications one and then another with new messages. So, each would have seperate notifications and tapping it would take you directly to it.

brilliant!

The concept is nice, but I like the original tiles any smaller and it will look like icons

I would bet the OP used to have a HD2 because this reminds me of a great mod everyone was using to be able to accomodate more icons to the homescreen. While it was awesome for Winmo 6.5 I don't really like it for WP7 because the tiles are not just icons, they're supposed to display information.
I've just read the comments over this concept at WPCentral and this is what I had to say...
I think the people who see an issue with the tiles don't actually see where the real issue is. The real issue is some(most) tiles only act as counters and are the ones wasting space. However we have to keep them on the start screen because there isn't a notification center.
I said that before, Windows Phone needs to go the Meego route and have a 3rd page that's just for notifications (and maybe one more useful feature like data/wifi toggles as someone suggested).
Example: I currently have Accuweather and AlphaJax pinned to my start screen. Accuweather is an informative tile that shows useful information at a glance. AlphaJax doesn't do anything. It just shows a number that tells me it's my turn to play, it's just a counter. AlphaJax could be on my notification page and moved away from my start screen in favour of a more informative app like prime tv.
Think about it, how many of your "live" tiles are just counters?
Also I'm not too keen on the "they could still make it and make it optional". It's not like it would require a snap of the fingers, there's still lots of work to be done (including changes to the core UI) for something people might use. All these resources would be better used in creating something like a notification page.

Looks too cluttered, smaller icons will be harder to hit on smaller screens, more frustration which will be blamed on "Windows Mobile".

I definitely like this idea of adjusting the live tile size, more options and choice is always good. That coupled with adding extra pages to help categorize your apps would make the UI that much better for notifications and wifi/bt/etc toggles or even just a page with live tiles dedicated to news or games or whatever. I would have thought that MS who prioritize efficiency would give us the option of additional pages so we don't have to endlessly and skillfully scroll down our home screen to find what we want 'quickly'

Love it. Ability to fit a few more things on the home screen without scrolling would be awesome.

Interesting Idea for Metro UI Revamp

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Must say that i like this, adds some flash while remaining simple in design. Found from here;
my x news

Not sure I like the tiles, but the app list is great. I do also like the background - when WP first came out I wanted custom backgrounds, but I've mellowed a bit in that sense and don't think a photo would work too well, but something like what's shown would.

looks very very nice! especially the rss feed and the app list

I dont like the unneccesary blue border chrome around the tiles. Metro embraces minimalism. I like the app list option but I use the search feature 90% of the time. Otherise I like the looks of it. I think semi transparent tiles with custom backgrounds would be nice.

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I dont like the unneccesary blue border chrome around the tiles. Metro embraces minimalism. I like the app list option but I use the search feature 90% of the time. Otherise I like the looks of it. I think semi transparent tiles with custom backgrounds would be nice.
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I think he is saying more of, this is what should be possible. Different themes that change the colors and background to add some personality. I would love to see these kinds of features added. In my opinion, the biggest drawback on wp7 is the lack of personality. My phone should be exactly that. My phone. How i want it to look and feel. Some day i am sure there will be themes like this.

I like it. Dont know why, but it reminds me of a classy, expensive watch. Nice.

Original is better IMO, don't turn this into Android lol.

Dj21o said:
Original is better IMO, don't turn this into Android lol.
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exactly my thoughts

The 1.5x2 tile with interactive elements is pretty sweet.
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I like the ideas. Very thoughtful.
I would also add that limiting the screen Real-estate used by the arrow to get to the programs list would be a great addition. There must be a better way. This would allow for larger tiles (width wise).

I'd like GREK's layouts and graphics, looks cool. I hope MS will implement (at least!) a custom background for the home screen!

Not sure in live tile,
but i like the app category concept.

I've seen this concept a couple months back, I like things better the way they're headed now.

I have a feeling that MS is going for a certain aesthetic with the home screen, and expecting them to get rid of the arrow and blank space on the right is wishful thinking.
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Personally, I would like the ability to have some "favorites" pinned to the top of the App List screen. My most commonly used items are pinned to the Start screen, of course, and then my next most-used items are pinned to the top of the App List screen. The rest just fall under the App List itself. Does that make sense?
This is actually how I use Windows 7: most used stuff is pinned to the Taskbar, the next most used is pinned to my Start Menu, and the rest falls under the All Programs menus.
Just my $.02
Also, I like the collapsible App List groups. Clever.

yipcanjo said:
Personally, I would like the ability to have some "favorites" pinned to the top of the App List screen. My most commonly used items are pinned to the Start screen, of course, and then my next most-used items are pinned to the top of the App List screen. The rest just fall under the App List itself. Does that make sense?
This is actually how I use Windows 7: most used stuff is pinned to the Taskbar, the next most used is pinned to my Start Menu, and the rest falls under the All Programs menus.
Just my $.02
Also, I like the collapsible App List groups. Clever.
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Totally agree, I do exactly the same. All the apps i use on a regular basis on taskbar, those I use maybe a few times a month are on the start menu, the rest are under all programs.

I do it as well. Its productive. Keeps me from having to look.

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I do it as well. Its productive. Keeps me from having to look.
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It'd make even more sense in WP7. Your Live Tiles on your start screen. Your favorite apps under a favorites menu & the rest under the app list. It would clean up the start screen a lot. I have a lot of apps there right now just for easy access, but don't have live tile support.

I tend to keep my start screen tiles to a minimal few. By minimal I mean less than 40. This includes my marketplace and settings tiles as well as the dialer, people hub, picture hub, Zune, calendar, and messaging hub. All three of my email tiles are on the start screen (this may change with Mango/Linked inboxes).
Most of, if not all of, my other tiles are live tiles except IMDB. That being said, I wouldn't be opposed to a collapsible favorites area. But, I'm also good with things just as they are having the ability to search or use the jump list.
I suppose, however, that the start screen could get a little longer with the increase to 30 live tiles. I guess time will tell.

The concept looks nice. It's nice to watch and work with opposed to current dreadful WP7 look & feel.

The next version of Ziggy is going to make the old one look like dirt

http://www.wpcentral.com/ask-ziggy-temporarily-busted-major-overhaul-horizon-exclusive-first-pics
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look really good then.
Time to do some Apple Siri-Comparing!

Just Downloaded v1 from the marketplace out of curiosity. Definately needs some help with accuracy lol

I like positive news and this is positive, WP needs to keep up the good work and listen to what we want and need, if they do then I can see them reaching their goals in 2015 but if the don't then, well... it's not good and you all know how I feel about that so I'll spare you my complaining.

The new update looks awesome..cant wait for it..And the best part is that it is totally free!

Symondo said:
Just Downloaded v1 from the marketplace out of curiosity. Definately needs some help with accuracy lol
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Agreed, I read some where that the dev of this app has actually been trying to get Ziggy to do more but you know MS and their damned restricted API's. I'n my opinion they need to hire this guy.

The screenshots look cool. I may dl it again.
I tried it before, and 90% of the time the response was just "would you like to do a websearch for that" or whatever it says.
I could save myself time and a couple steps by just voice-searching Bing.

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The screenshots look cool. I may dl it again.
I tried it before, and 90% of the time the response was just "would you like to do a websearch for that" or whatever it says.
I could save myself time and a couple steps by just voice-searching Bing.
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I know I hardly use it my self, I'll use it from time to time to entertain my self for a few laughs but it's great to see it evolve. You have to give it to the dev of the app; he has to improve it even with the MS restrictions.

I really don't like it when developers use a panorama design and put "Settings" as a screen to swipe to. They really should put the settings in the app bar. If he only wants the microphone icon in the app bar then add the settings to the "more" 2 dots part.
Otherwise I'm looking forward to this update!

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I really don't like it when developers use a panorama design and put "Settings" as a screen to swipe to. They really should put the settings in the app bar. If he only wants the microphone icon in the app bar then add the settings to the "more" 2 dots part.
Otherwise I'm looking forward to this update!
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LOL, I think he did it that way because people asked him to make it more metrofied.

Much better design and definitely if Microsoft know what they doing, they would hire this dude. These are people that are ready to dedicate their full time to Windows Phone.

sinister1 said:
LOL, I think he did it that way because people asked him to make it more metrofied.
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Then he should look closely at how MS design their panorama apps. Settings are always in the app bar in People hub, messaging, xbox live hub, calender etc
Generally when a user swipes along a panoramic screen its to see more content. Settings isn't more content. Most users don't even fiddle with it each time they launch the app unless they need to change something, so therefore dedicating an entire panoramic screen to it is bad design and not metro.
That is my opinion

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Then he should look closely at how MS design their panorama apps. Settings are always in the app bar in People hub, messaging, xbox live hub, calender etc
Generally when a user swipes along a panoramic screen its to see more content. Settings isn't more content. Most users don't even fiddle with it each time they launch the app unless they need to change something, so therefore dedicating an entire panoramic screen to it is bad design and not metro.
That is my opinion
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It's the case with so many major app developers. It's the mindset from other OSes. That brings us to badly developed apps argument. There is always an app for what we need, if not official, a client - majority of the times. But most apps are so horribly metrofied that it's mortifying. Making apps esp free ones, is an amazing task! But then full hearted approach to match the metro concept will streamline an user's experience and they will love your app more. Else someone too choosy about how his phone looks might find distasteful breaks in his streamline experience. Most WP users gotta be choosy with UI, why else would you love this new UI so much!?
May be people here won't agree, but this is what I generally consider as a factor whether any particular app will stay on my WP. In my WM and Android days, that wasn't an issue because OS UI was ugly anyway. But can't let the UI experience be ruined just because I want some functionality of an app that I might only use once a week or once a month!

Oh this looks so much better. I'm not a big fan of how it looks right now.
I do agree with previous comments about settings. A whole screen to swipe to is uneccessary. Put it in the bar.

I can agree Ziggy looks dirty. I hope developer ask some designers to help him make ui better.

Function over finesse. It's more important to get the core working well, than to tweak the look and feel.
For the most part the real use is a 1 button deal. Make it listen. Make it stop and process.
The app without a function update was only a cool concept, but not much worked properly. Since it is a 1 person team, I am glad the focus is on getting it to function properly.
Once the guts are working properly, it can be delivered. Then, we will have a great functional app while the user interface tweaks are done. Then we will have a superb app.