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I recently got the HD. Must say, it is a sexy beast. One factor that led me to choose this over the iPhone was -
* A greater selection of apps and the ability to install whatever you wished.
I am a keen game player and currently, with the HTC HD I have the following problems.
1. Lack of D-Pad/hardware buttons means that there many existing titles are unsuitable for play
2. The screen ratio means that more titles dont play (in full resolution).
3. There just arent any good motion controlled games (whereas, there IS on the iPhone)
4. Game titles that do work properly on the HD (and even those that dont) are boring/not very fluid/not exciting/2D - certainly not the case for the iPhone.
5. Game development for the iPhone seems an active process - every week, one hears of a new innovative game release for the iPhone, which one never hears for the HD or other PPC.
6. I tried using emulators - including the PSX one, just too slow, doesnt do much for me.
What do people have to say about the list above? Specifically:
1. Is there any way of playing iPhone games on the HTC HD
2. Why is no one making use of the HTC HDs gaming potential/motion sensor?
From a rather cheated purchacher.
OMG i cant hear it anymore. every second post is whining about the so cool iphone and the crappy touch hd.
windows mobile has the problem that it has good applications, but boring games. many developers seem still to think that its only a phone for business usage.
the touch hd is not a dedicated gaming device, if you want one, you have to buy a psp or iphone. thats it.
just listen carefully , its not the problem of the device(its windows mobile so it has the ability to accept great games and its also proved by the Xtrakt game!) , its the problem of the developers there are no / or a little developers that can make games like Xtrakt. (oh btw Xtrakt wasnt even developed by a hd user or for the hd it was developed for the Xperia )
sorry, if im wrong just delete this reply or ignore it !
sorry for my bad English
nirpaudyal said:
I recently got the HD. Must say, it is a sexy beast. One factor that led me to choose this over the iPhone was -
* A greater selection of apps and the ability to install whatever you wished.
I am a keen game player and currently, with the HTC HD I have the following problems.
1. Lack of D-Pad/hardware buttons means that there many existing titles are unsuitable for play
2. The screen ratio means that more titles dont play (in full resolution).
3. There just arent any good motion controlled games (whereas, there IS on the iPhone)
4. Game titles that do work properly on the HD (and even those that dont) are boring/not very fluid/not exciting/2D - certainly not the case for the iPhone.
5. Game development for the iPhone seems an active process - every week, one hears of a new innovative game release for the iPhone, which one never hears for the HD or other PPC.
6. I tried using emulators - including the PSX one, just too slow, doesnt do much for me.
What do people have to say about the list above? Specifically:
1. Is there any way of playing iPhone games on the HTC HD
2. Why is no one making use of the HTC HDs gaming potential/motion sensor?
From a rather cheated purchacher.
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The problem is that every company that makes phones can use any chipset they want and there is no SDK for developers to use that is standardized for all Windows phones. hopefully with the next line of HTC phones there will be enough in that line to encourage developers to figure it out. Anyway, try Need For Speed as well and you can enable the gsen to work for it until the new version (that EA is including the gsen in) is released: http://www.fuzemobility.com/need-for-speed-gsen-enabled-now/
if u ask me... 800x480 is new one to developers(popular device) so they need time to adapt their new games so u will play to your device...till now u got 640x480 games working on your blackstone(adapted somehow ) and wait for new 1 to come...
cheer
ps. u cant compare iphone with blackstone cos, trust me, iphone its not worth it
my missus has an iphone and they are two completly different phones its like comparing a toaster with a microwave.
iphone has great games and gui interface and is damn easy to use but it lacks applications and modifications
get your missus to get an iphone that way u can play the games on hers while still modifying your hd!
nirpaudyal said:
I recently got the HD. Must say, it is a sexy beast. One factor that led me to choose this over the iPhone was -
* A greater selection of apps and the ability to install whatever you wished.
I am a keen game player and currently, with the HTC HD I have the following problems.
1. Lack of D-Pad/hardware buttons means that there many existing titles are unsuitable for play
2. The screen ratio means that more titles dont play (in full resolution).
3. There just arent any good motion controlled games (whereas, there IS on the iPhone)
4. Game titles that do work properly on the HD (and even those that dont) are boring/not very fluid/not exciting/2D - certainly not the case for the iPhone.
5. Game development for the iPhone seems an active process - every week, one hears of a new innovative game release for the iPhone, which one never hears for the HD or other PPC.
6. I tried using emulators - including the PSX one, just too slow, doesnt do much for me.
What do people have to say about the list above? Specifically:
1. Is there any way of playing iPhone games on the HTC HD
2. Why is no one making use of the HTC HDs gaming potential/motion sensor?
From a rather cheated purchacher.
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I don't know why you feel "cheated" because really, you should have known that coming in.
Also, WVGA screens are not all that popular at the moment - you've bought a leading edge device and support is still coming - wait for the TD2 and TP2, and then you should see a lot more apps coming.
Also, iPhone has the App Store - developers have incentive to make games for /one/ platform (2 if you count iPod Touch)...WM developers have to cater for so many devices that it's almost ridiculous - not to mention that people will just pirate the software anyway.
Wait until the Microsoft MarketPlace goes online for a bit, and you should see a lot more games and apps coming your way.
But honestly? If you got want a phone to play games, then get an iPhone. If you want a phone to play music, get a Nokia 5800 or an iPhone..if you want a phone that you can watching HQ vids on, flash the brains out of, with tons of add-ons, without fear of fiddling around and tweaking that phone until it's uniquely yours, then get a Touch HD. WinMo is not the most user-friendly OS out there...but that's why we have XDA and all those awesome cooks/devs out there!
WinterKnights said:
my missus has an iphone and they are two completly different phones its like comparing a toaster with a microwave.
iphone has great games and gui interface and is damn easy to use but it lacks applications and modifications
get your missus to get an iphone that way u can play the games on hers while still modifying your hd!
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I need a missus first! my desire to be playing games on my Sexy HD seems more costly than the i had imagined
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Wait until the Microsoft MarketPlace goes online for a bit, and you should see a lot more games and apps coming your way.
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I could be very wrong but microsoft market place has been online for years. i certainly recall submitting my own applications around 4 years ago.
Just to summarize, I now understand that there is lack of good games for the HD for the following reasons:
1. Software/hardware of every single windows mobile is different therefor, developers do not know what to target. iPhone is what it is.
2. People who buy WM are not interested in flashy games
3. The hardware of HD is superior to iPhone for playing games. But despite this, people are not interested in development because of these reasons.
4. Its easy to download cracked games and stuff for WM devices so developers are losing out.
5. there are ok games out there but most of them have one or more limitations (e.g. sensor support, wrong screen resolution)
6. If you want the fully customizable phone and the joys of playing games on an iPhone, you first need a woman.
7. Microsoft will never do anything to get these problems sorted.
8. Looks like we WM users will never have proper games for our devices.
Depressing thought really.
you're right, it is depressing...but with the new WVGA devices coming out soon, with Windows Mobile 6.5 on the way, we should see new interest in WM devices and hopefully games for them.
and you may be right about the marketplace, but I am sure that Microsoft are planning on releasing the Microsoft Marketplace (or re-releasing it) with WM6.5 launch, it will function in much the same way as the Android version and the Palm version - to compete with the charm of the AppStore
nirpaudyal said:
just to summarize, i now understand that there is lack of good games for the hd for the following reasons:
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6. If you want the fully customizable phone and the joys of playing games on an iphone, you first need a woman.
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skulk3r said:
I don't know why you feel "cheated" because really, you should have known that coming in.
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But honestly? If you got want a phone to play games, then get an iPhone. If you want a phone to play music, get a Nokia 5800 or an iPhone..if you want a phone that you can watching HQ vids on, flash the brains out of, with tons of add-ons, without fear of fiddling around and tweaking that phone until it's uniquely yours, then get a Touch HD. WinMo is not the most user-friendly OS out there...but that's why we have XDA and all those awesome cooks/devs out there!
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+1 the naked truth!
Windows Mobile
HD is a very good mobile hardware, the problem is the software used , Windows Mobile , which is very limited for the applications versus the competitor system Mac iPhone. I have and I am using both of them for my private business. With the firmware version 3, iPhone is going to be a superior and first in class of technology for the mobile market. No doubt!
Actually you can find a lot of applications and games working very well on iPhone (see appulo.us), meanwhile on HD the selection is very, very limited. In the next future, also the viruses will start to growth around in windows mobile system, and again it will be a problem similar to XP system forced to use antivirus software, etc.
This is the truth, all the rest it’s just a sterile discussion...nothing else.
The way I see it, Blackstone is one of the first major HTC sellers, that makes use of a 480x800 screen res....The newest and coming up models, are to have the exact same screen res.and in addition, the same processor and RAM capacity, like Diamond 2, Pro 2 etc.
So, hopefully, more users will own the same "platform" (mobile phone's specifications)- meaning there will be more room for potentional customers of the developers' programs.
Keep in mind, that the more popular a platform is, the more the developers want to work with it...And iPhone, at least as a standalone device, is by far more popular than any Htc device...
However, consider 4-5 or more Htc models, with the same specs as the HD...Now that should make a difference....shouldn't it?
Lets break this down nice a simple:
IPhone - One of apples "up there own arse" products who stand there saying "Hay we have loads of support from others an were know for our best selling IPod so.....lets jump on the phone market" make it look all shiny an add loads of apps an Itunes Support!
HTC Touch HD - I know let do a phone that use windows, can have the OS upgraded with future possibilites for apps, fully PC compable for access (As not everyone can aford A £800 Mac), A large nice screen, word that is back compatable with older docs and more.
Personaly Apple piss me off as I'm a music producer an there so up them selfs with "Logic Pro - Mac Only".....Oh wait Cubase is multi-format.
You see my point here?! Apple have for me have just bandwagon jumped "cashing in" so to speak on the phone market an keeping all the arps exclusive for the I-Phone much like Logic only for there Macs - yeah good phone but for how long?
Rant Over!
armatan said:
HD is a very good mobile hardware, the problem is the software used , Windows Mobile , which is very limited for the applications versus the competitor system Mac iPhone. I have and I am using both of them for my private business. With the firmware version 3, iPhone is going to be a superior and first in class of technology for the mobile market. No doubt!
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Will the new firmware finally be able to really multi-task? If not, then it still is by far inferior to WM...
armatan said:
Actually you can find a lot of applications and games working very well on iPhone (see appulo.us), meanwhile on HD the selection is very, very limited. In the next future, also the viruses will start to growth around in windows mobile system, and again it will be a problem similar to XP system forced to use antivirus software, etc.
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Most really interesting apps are available in some form for WM... The only category not satisfying is in fact games...
armatan said:
This is the truth, all the rest it’s just a sterile discussion...nothing else.
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I'm quite sure alot of people would disagree... Myself including!
^ Pretty sure I read that the new iphone/software will allow multi-tasking.
RE: "Most really interesting apps are available in some form for WM... The only category not satisfying is in fact games..."
While that is true, the keywords there are "most" and "in some form".
I dont like apple products, and doubt I would ever buy one. But with the iphone they have redefined what people want and are coming to expect from high end handsets.
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RE: "Most really interesting apps are available in some form for WM... The only category not satisfying is in fact games..."
While that is true, the keywords there are "most" and "in some form".
I dont like apple products, and doubt I would ever buy one. But with the iphone they have redefined what people want and are coming to expect from high end handsets.
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That is very true... but I think it is only a matter of time until interesting concepts are "ported" to WM... Just look at TouchFlo: This effort of making WM finger-friendly is a direct result of the iphone - and my HD is becoming more finger-friendly with every new ROM released here!
Lets be fair. Despite my love for my HTC HD, I have come to accept that those with iPhones enjoy something greater than what we can ever hope to... entertainment to the max when it comes to games... developers are gagging for it.
also, let us not say that iPhone is for bums and WM devices are for the social elite... the reality is that most users are looking for a, when X equals the benefits of a PDA phone, 'mobile phone with X' (X being the extra), not 'X with a mobile phone' (mobile phone being the extra). I just wish in the case of the latter, X could also include games.
With my HD, I have already enjoyed the GPS with TomTom, WiFi and all the hours of fun it brings, software programming and trying out some random apps (many of which dont work, however had elated prior to actually running them). I dont think an iPhone, despite it obvious offer of sensually pleasing games, could have left me satisfied so, especially when I dont have a missus.
I have to be honest, things are looking up, the need for speed game appears to be an exciting development.
I made this poll last time, but this was around when the news of WP7 was just getting out. I'm sure that from then and now, we've learned a lot more about the OS and MS has released a lot more info regarding the OS. So with that being said, I was just curious to see if there were any change of hearts.
Vote on!
I plan on buying a windows phone whenever some nice looking hardware comes to Verizon. I might have to wait a while since ill have to buy one at full price because my upgrade isn't until 2012.
Never will I ever choose anything besides Windows 7 or their webcam for my products.
Ad notifications? What kind of nonsense is this?
And here is the real nail in the coffin:
"At launch, Windows Phone 7 will not have the ability to cut, copy, and paste. It will recognize telephone numbers and addresses, but Microsoft says the majority of users don't need 'cut, copy, and paste'."
With that attitude, do I trust this company for phones? No. The iPhone 2G had more features than this!
I hope they die in the mobile arena. Their efforts have been haphazard and poor. If it does turn out to be good (doubtful since I've used Windows Mobile since the Blackjack) I don't see anything it offers that Android or iPhone doesn't already do, and better.
Fun phones are the iPhone and Android systems. They're also very good for work as well.
Blackberry handles business as usual.
And Microsoft, your best move was investing in Apple.
Dratini said:
Never will I ever choose anything besides Windows 7 or their webcam for my products.
Ad notifications? What kind of nonsense is this?
And here is the real nail in the coffin:
"At launch, Windows Phone 7 will not have the ability to cut, copy, and paste. It will recognize telephone numbers and addresses, but Microsoft says the majority of users don't need 'cut, copy, and paste'."
With that attitude, do I trust this company for phones? No. The iPhone 2G had more features than this!
I hope they die in the mobile arena. Their efforts have been haphazard and poor. If it does turn out to be good (doubtful since I've used Windows Mobile since the Blackjack) I don't see anything it offers that Android or iPhone doesn't already do, and better.
Fun phones are the iPhone and Android systems. They're also very good for work as well.
Blackberry handles business as usual.
And Microsoft, your best move was investing in Apple.
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Sounds like a guy who is been around for a long time !!?. I respect your opinion but it is windows mobile what made this forum what it is today. So let it die?
It depends what kind of user you are, I have always been a fan of windows because its customizable, what is for me an added value. Now with the coming of mobile7, I dont know, but I´m sure we can support and make the OS better around here.
Iphone is in my opinion a hyped phone (especially the iphone4) and clearly is not as good as the previous versions because of its hardware malfunction.
Respecting Andriod, I like the phones and they are great but still I´m staying old fashioned and try and stick to WinMo.
As you can notice I will buy a phone with the new OS because I´m just curious and its flawless integrated with windows platforms in private and corporate perspective. What i believe is the advantage of Microsoft software.
I will buy a WP7 device in Germany as soon a device similar to the HD2 is released. For me are a display around 4 inch, arround 448 MB RAM, at least 16GB flash memory important. An amoled display is prefered.
Why WP7? As a developer I have with Silverlight much more fun and I have no fun to flash my device regularry to get the rom to a quality level that should be out of box. Is's a shame but big thanks to this board for making the good HD2 roms
Just waiting on what T-Mobile USA will bring us
Dratini said:
With that attitude, do I trust this company for phones? No. The iPhone 2G had more features than this!
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Sure it did.
Main difference between WP7 and other mobile OSes, that it is being complex. iOS has just core stuff - kernel, some core APIs and few built-in apps like mail or safari. Android adds some wannabe support for integrating facebook, today widgets. WP7 comes as latest one with around 2 year development as of now, including full facebook integration at launch, combining and integrating your contacts into facebook. This was just an example, that WP7 is way more complex system, than any other mobile OS we have now. It allows integration into hubs, ... while all you can do on iOS is just add your icon on app launcher. No integration into core apps.
Also the biggest fun will begin shortly. Possibility to develop for PC-Xbox360-WP7 with one source code (and just optimizing user input for mouse, joystick or touchscreen) is f...in promising. And Silverlight, C# and XNA are awesome to play and create with, compared to native coding.
I will be getting WP7 as soon as I get the opportunity. Love the UI (I'd just say more colors into icons in the applist). Love the possibilities. Love MS!
OndraSter said:
Sure it did.
Main difference between WP7 and other mobile OSes, that it is being complex. iOS has just core stuff - kernel, some core APIs and few built-in apps like mail or safari. Android adds some wannabe support for integrating facebook, today widgets. WP7 comes as latest one with around 2 year development as of now, including full facebook integration at launch, combining and integrating your contacts into facebook. This was just an example, that WP7 is way more complex system, than any other mobile OS we have now. It allows integration into hubs, ... while all you can do on iOS is just add your icon on app launcher. No integration into core apps.
Also the biggest fun will begin shortly. Possibility to develop for PC-Xbox360-WP7 with one source code (and just optimizing user input for mouse, joystick or touchscreen) is f...in promising. And Silverlight, C# and XNA are awesome to play and create with, compared to native coding.
I will be getting WP7 as soon as I get the opportunity. Love the UI (I'd just say more colors into icons in the applist). Love the possibilities. Love MS!
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what?!!
xbox-wp7-pc game integration is a possibility? but how is a phone going to be as capable as the three cores plus graphics core of a 360?
As soon as Sprint gets a killer 4G enabled one. Bamn! I'm there.
Gota get on the leading edge again and start promoting the thing to my friends/family/co-workers/etc.
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what?!!
xbox-wp7-pc game integration is a possibility? but how is a phone going to be as capable as the three cores plus graphics core of a 360?
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First of all, WP7 has a lower target resolution than XBox and PCs. You also can use a lower resolution than the native resolution of WP7 and the phone will resize the image "for free" using a dedicated chip. To target the different input formats, you have to tweak the code and use conditional compilation (like #If Xbox; #If WP7; #If Windows). If you want to utilize the full potential of each platform, there may be many conditional compilation instructions, but it is possible. Depending on the architecture, the main game logic can remain the same and does not need (many) changes.
Ima stick with it. WP7 is nice.
Yep, just as Reihnold described it.
The main logic and core is the same, you just optimalize it for different input and ofc slower HW (but with coming Hummingbird etc we will see reaching Xbox on WVGA screen in few years I bet). You disable some cool effects etc, but you do that with those #If Xbox360 fxRainbow.Enable = true; #Endif etc, so nothing huge. Compared to Linux-Android it is something quite easy. Mostly because of awesome IDE.
Wouldn't consider anything else.
I will definitely buy one. Love MS products and services and using them all integrated on my phone is the biggest thing they could ever made!
Cloud is the future
I'd be more interested to know what percentage of people would switch to wp7 in an iphone and/or android forum really. That to me is a better indicator of how well wp7 will do at launch.
I eventually want to switch, but ill do it further down the line when the OS matures.
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I voted for sticking with WP7, all the latest videos I've seen show how super smooth it is so I wont be switching to clunky Andriod anytime soon
I am waiting to actually see how well the office, RDP and other apps integrate into windows before I pull the trigger on one. I really could care less about facebook integration or twitter or any social networking. Sure I use facebook, but I want to keep my contacts seperate from my social networking. I want a business device first. Not to say I won't try one out, but I intend on keeping my Tilt2 around unless they release a WM6.5 handset with a keyboard and a faster processor and more RAM! like that will happen...
And if it comes to switching platforms, android is next in line. No apple products ever in my house.
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No apple products ever in my house.
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I second that
I am so ready to purchase one of Windows Phone 7 phones! Why? please... for those ppl who say WP7 is not as great as their beloved WM 6 series, you gotta let your ego go. And yes, i have HD2. So this is a customer with experiences with hacking my device and use cooked ROMs. And yes i hate using cooked ROMs. Althogh i use cooked ROMs that looks like stock version atm. But i am planning to purchase it in this holiday or wait for htc to announce HD3 the beast! I really want my phone to have 1.5ghz or something downgraded clocked duo cpu.
I am thinkingabout buying a Windowsphone 7 device from at&t in December when I can upgrade. My inspire 4g may not be able to run jellybean this year and I am tired of androidbeing sluggish and fragmented. I love the simplicity I can see in videos of windows phone and with the titan 2 starting up the ne let featurein windows phones I think it would be a good idea for some change. !*BUT*! I am worried about when Apollo comes out my phone MIGHT not be upgraded and I would be stuck with an old outdated phone for a year. I was also wondering what kind of hacking community there is and what kind of hacks there are. If somebody could post all of the pros and cons of windowsphone compared to android and the hacking comunity
To restate my questions I want to.know:
1)what are the pros and cons of windows phone compare to android
2) what kind of hacking community is there for windows phone and what hacks and mods are there
3) will it be upgraded to Apollo(I know that no one can say for sure but there are some sources I'm sure that have an idea)
Thanks in advance for any replies
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Well the hacking community on android is much larger than the one for windows phone, and plus there are not quite as many things that you can change in windows phone as you can in android. Another problem is that if you get a second gen windows phone you will not be able to unlock it unless you get a Microsoft developer account, I think it is called an "app hub" account. Even then there will not be many things that you could side load onto your phone. The only gen 2 windows phones that can be unlocked are the Samsung ones, from this one opening called "windows break". The pros with windows phones are simplicity, no lag over time(my android experience, fast in the beginning slow over time) but the cons are the customization of the phone and things like that. Well there is a large chance that all windows phone will get upgraded to Apollo, but they wont have all of the features that the Apollo devices will have.
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Well the hacking community on android is much larger than the one for windows phone, and plus there are not quite as many things that you can change in windows phone as you can in android. Another problem is that if you get a second gen windows phone you will not be able to unlock it unless you get a Microsoft developer account, I think it is called an "app hub" account. Even then there will not be many things that you could side load onto your phone. The only gen 2 windows phones that can be unlocked are the Samsung ones, from this one opening called "windows break". The pros with windows phones are simplicity, no lag over time(my android experience, fast in the beginning slow over time) but the cons are the customization of the phone and things like that. Well there is a large chance that all windows phone will get upgraded to Apollo, but they wont have all of the features that the Apollo devices will have.
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I know the development community is small but would you mind giving an example or two of the changesyou can make...it seems good enough jump right? Would you recommend switc? And thanks a bu.ch for the help!
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I think it's too early for you to post if it's 1 year from now on.
You really mean December?
As far as I understand, latest gen WPs will have the highest possiblity up upgrade, Lumia 800-900, Titan II
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1)what are the pros and cons of windows phone compare to android
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I hated android up to 4.0 and it still sucks for me, too much lag, fragmentation, piracy concerns over Google, etc. Yes, not a fan of Android in general so hard to not be biased.
I think WP is the new king of innovation, it was Apple with the original iPhone first but not they just sue and copy.
http://www.winrumors.com/microsoft-flattered-with-apples-ios-5-windows-phone-features/
TL;DR WP is simply beautiful, snappy and intuitive
If it's hacking and modding you're looking for, Windows Phone isn't your ideal OS--you want Android. You're not going to get custom ROMs and a wide selection of homebrew root-user apps on Windows Phone. That stuff doesn't exist.
If, however, you're looking for a cohesive, refined, "authentically digital" user experience and interface, Windows Phone is the place to be. It's beautiful and fluid in ways that Android will never be.
And if you're looking to develop, Windows Phone is a great place to start. It doesn't have the horrendous up-front cost of developing for iPhone, and it doesn't have the fragmentation/emulator problems of developing for Android. The emulator works great, and if you want to publish to the market or sideload onto your phone, it's only $100--free if you're a student!
well the cons for windows phone are simply that it isn't as customizable as android is and also currently does not support USB mass storage ,this has been a problem for some and may be a problem for you but I haven't really missed it because of SkyDrive and how it's integrated into the phone. Mass storage will be even more unnecessary with win8.
The pros are that it has more integrated services than Android does out the box and that it doesn't need 4 cores to run smooth and stable. It also provides a top notch, innovative and beautiful experience. All phones especially the ones that shipped with mango will be updated to Apollo. But since you won't be upgrading till December I'm sure there will be phones around that time with Apollo pre installed.
Why is this the new chant "4 cores to run smooth"? It is not even true.
trh1341, would you be able to run through what exactly you use your phone for now? What apps do you use? Features? Are you looking to buy out of contract or on a plan?
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Why is this the new chant "4 cores to run smooth"? It is not even true.
trh1341, would you be able to run through what exactly you use your phone for now? What apps do you use? Features? Are you looking to buy out of contract or on a plan?
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Well I don't do to much...I have a couple games but other than that I really only listen to music and look aroundon the internet I sometimes stream music...I really just. Need a phone that runs smooth and can get me throughthe day when listeningto music with SOME web browsing...can windows pho.e do that well you think?
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trh1341 said:
Well I don't do to much...I have a couple games but other than that I really only listen to music and look aroundon the internet I sometimes stream music...I really just. Need a phone that runs smooth and can get me throughthe day when listeningto music with SOME web browsing...can windows pho.e do that well you think?
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For that? Yes, WP is perfect for that. Internet browsing is fluid and quick- there's no lag in scrolling or zooming, the download speeds for pages are pretty equivalent, and IE is actually a stunningly good mobile browser.
For music streaming, you can stream from Google Music with an app, from Skydrive, or - if you want a real premium service, Zune's streaming is the best out of all the mobile ecosystems.
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For that? Yes, WP is perfect for that. Internet browsing is fluid and quick- there's no lag in scrolling or zooming, the download speeds for pages are pretty equivalent, and IE is actually a stunningly good mobile browser.
For music streaming, you can stream from Google Music with an app, from Skydrive, or - if you want a real premium service, Zune's streaming is the best out of all the mobile ecosystems.
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How much is skydive and zine? Sorry for all these dumb questions
I am hopingthe titan 2 will be out by December
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SkyDrive gives you 25GB for free with 50 (or maybe 100MB) file size limitations. I believe this is free and you will be able to access your content and stream this way.
Zune's Music pass is $9.99 subscription based service for streaming music. I have never used it but I hear good things from users.
The Titan 2 seems like quite a large phone for that purpose. And I am not sure what kind of battery life that phone will achieve.
I have a titan 1 and get about 17 hours life out of it. That is using the internet, texting, exchange mail, hotmail (both pushed), Comcast, and 2 other email accounts checking every hour.
For streaming. There is also a pandora client although not official, tune in radio is simply awesome as it will find all your local radio stations for any city, it includes an fm radio in every windows phone, don't have to subscribe to zune, you can also just purchase music which also syncs to your pc, slacker radio, iheartradio. Lots of music choices.
For fun, - I lol'd, that's what she said, the chive, and urban dictionary rock + all have live tiles.
For weather - i am now using a paid app called amazing weather which has animations. Weather channel is really good for free and so is accuweather. all have live tiles to show you current weather on home screen without opening app.
Games - where to start. Yeti sports is fun. Splinter cell. Need for speed undercover and hot pursuit. For free - titan rocks. I still haven't completed it.
Windows phone has trials for most games so check them out.
Messenger . Video chat - facebook is built in along with windows live, twitter and link'nd in
IM+ is pretty good as a multimessenger. Skype although it's beta and contacts must be loaded from the pc version. Tango works pretty well also.
Facebook also has a seperate client.
Forward contact is cool. It changes your business card into a QR code that any phone can scan in using a qr reader.
Barcode reading is built in although there was a few it couldnt find. Shop savy makes up for it and is free.
Keyring - scan all your grocerie cards in so you don't have to carry them
HTC flashlight - Since windows phone voice opens apps, this rocks. press the windows button and say start flashlight and it will come on. Great for finding your keys when you forget to turn porch light on.
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I have a titan 1 and get about 17 hours life out of it. That is using the internet, texting, exchange mail, hotmail (both pushed), Comcast, and 2 other email accounts checking every hour.
For streaming. There is also a pandora client although not official, tune in radio is simply awesome as it will find all your local radio stations for any city, it includes an fm radio in every windows phone, don't have to subscribe to zune, you can also just purchase music which also syncs to your pc, slacker radio, iheartradio. Lots of music choices.
For fun, - I lol'd, that's what she said, the chive, and urban dictionary rock + all have live tiles.
For weather - i am now using a paid app called amazing weather which has animations. Weather channel is really good for free and so is accuweather. all have live tiles to show you current weather on home screen without opening app.
Games - where to start. Yeti sports is fun. Splinter cell. Need for speed undercover and hot pursuit. For free - titan rocks. I still haven't completed it.
Windows phone has trials for most games so check them out.
Messenger . Video chat - facebook is built in along with windows live, twitter and link'nd in
IM+ is pretty good as a multimessenger. Skype although it's beta and contacts must be loaded from the pc version. Tango works pretty well also.
Facebook also has a seperate client.
Forward contact is cool. It changes your business card into a QR code that any phone can scan in using a qr reader.
Barcode reading is built in although there was a few it couldnt find. Shop savy makes up for it and is free.
Keyring - scan all your grocerie cards in so you don't have to carry them
HTC flashlight - Since windows phone voice opens apps, this rocks. press the windows button and say start flashlight and it will come on. Great for finding your keys when you forget to turn porch light on.
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This is probablyone of the most complete answers I have ever seen! Thanks very much! I want the titan 2 becauseof the lte
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Perhaps I've missed something but: if you're waiting until December, then Apollo should be out by then.
In which case you'll know whether or not the current phones are being upgraded and you'll know what newly released phones with Apollo pre-installed are available.
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trh1341 said:
This is probablyone of the most complete answers I have ever seen! Thanks very much! I want the titan 2 becauseof the lte
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Ty
The titan is my 2nd windows phone. I have been using windows phone since pre nodo when it was released. My original phone was a surround which i still have. My wife sold her iphone because she was trying to cut our bill down and since i got my titan for a penny, she has been using my surround to play games and check facebook - She doesn't like technology though so she still won't stick her sim card in it and use it as a phone (without a data plan) but windows phone is slowly winning her over with the ease of use and games that are the style she likes (she plays the simple ones)
If you are waiting on the titan 2 though ... i would suggest getting the nokia 900 instead. Screen is a little smaller... but Nokia is top notch in quality. I love my titan, but if i could get a Nokia 900 with front facing camera and clear black technology (look up what that does and you will see why) I'd trade my titan in, in a heartbeat.
i agree with the guy above me, nokia is the way to go and their phones are just beautiful, plus on a biased note i cannot stand tablet sized screens.
i was in the same boat as you back in october, but i knew it was time to switch because i just didnt have time to hack and mod to have android run smoother. android is such a hassle, i regret ever wasting time with it. wp7 is so convenient and smooth. zune pass is great if you want to find great music haha, i find like 2 new artists a day.
so based on your daily uses i would definitely suggest wp u wont regret it. and go for a nokia device not htc, they have started to make crappy phones over the past 2 years.
I actually get great battery life out of my Titan too. At the end of business day, I have about 70+% battery life remaining. Thats heavy texting, mid to heavy calls, mild games and mid to heavy use of music.
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This is probablyone of the most complete answers I have ever seen! Thanks very much! I want the titan 2 becauseof the lte
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The titan is my 2nd windows phone. I have been using windows phone since pre nodo when it was released. My original phone was a surround which i still have. My wife sold her iphone because she was trying to cut our bill down and since i got my titan for a penny, she has been using my surround to play games and check facebook - She doesn't like technology though so she still won't stick her sim card in it and use it as a phone (without a data plan) but windows phone is slowly winning her over with the ease of use and games that are the style she likes (she plays the simple ones)
If you are waiting on the titan 2 though ... i would suggest getting the nokia 900 instead. Screen is a little smaller... but Nokia is top notch in quality. I love my titan, but if i could get a Nokia 900 with front facing camera and clear black technology (look up what that does and you will see why) I'd trade my titan in, in a heartbeat.
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The Titan really has no front facing camera?? Thanks again all of you! I will probably go for the Nokia....same size screen ad my inspire
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The Titan really has no front facing camera?? Thanks again all of you! I will probably go for the Nokia....same size screen ad my inspire
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I think you got him wrong. The Titan sports a 1.3mp front facing camera.
Get a HTC trophy.
first of all, I think WP7 OS is great and i have my omnia 7 for about 18months now, so im in a great position to say what i think of it.
for the first time in 18 months, im starting too look at the Android OS. why?
WP7 Hardware STILL dosnt cut it and there not a single true wp7 high end device out there.
examples,
the aging low res
low memory (especially if you live in the UK 8 gb phones really?)
poor GPU (60 fps is the minimum standard and wp7 games seem to be struggling to hit 30 fps. only the games with poor graphics run at 60fps on wp7. its embarrasing. i wouldnt show my android /iphone owning friends these games on my phone.
single core - sure the actual OS generally is nice and smooth ( although mine has definately slowed down recently maybe as im running out of memory?) however try opening PDF files they slow right down and take an age to open
Skydrive, i use skydrive all the time, i log on today and now instead of my usual 25GB i see i now only have 7GB ? whats going on here, skydrive was the only thing keeping my phone running over since i have only 8, ( actually 7GB of storage on my phone........
like i said at the start, the OS it self is really great, i just wish i could have the OS on a device as powerful as the "old"Samsung galaxy s2 ( I say old but its still WAY more powerful than WP7 devices.) but the hardware is really letting WP7 Down... no wonder sales have been rubbish
Read this article:
http://wmpoweruser.com/skydrive-for-windows-now-available-to-download-features-as-promised/
It will give you a link to 'upgrade' your SkyDrive storage back to 25GB. I just did this yesterday for an account, so it should still be working. It also has a link for the new SkyDrive Windows 7 program, which makes SD now on par with DropBox (Better, actually since it now keeps the phone in sync with folders on the computer).
thanks for that .......should keep me ticking over until my contract ends. by then i expect ( more like hope actually) that there will be at least 1 wp7 htc device in 6 months?
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thanks for that .......should keep me ticking over until my contract ends. by then i expect ( more like hope actually) that there will be at least 1 wp7 htc device in 6 months?
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I hope they make something like the hardware used for the ONE S.
I was helping my friend get her very first ever smart phone (Lumia 710) yesterday. We were at Car Toys. The sales guy went to the back to get the ONE S to show it off. Granted, I'm in no way passionate about Android, but it is one sexy piece of hardware. Just the right thickness, but a great sturdiness and weight to it. I was really impressed with its feel. Were there no Nokia, I'd go w/ HTC. Samsung's all feel like plastic graham crackers to me.
Single core and all those things, do you really need it or just to say Hey I have dual cores. For me, I don't think dual core is needed.
About the GPU, yes I think the game graphics can be improved by a lot seeing those FPS games on iphone.
To the OP, glad that you have realised and awake about the drawbacks...
Have been using my mozart for 13months++, bought the HTC one X last month,honestly my 1st android device. It is great, don't listen to all those lagging&force close BS...give it a try...no regret on one X...
lol...smoked by WP7???who cares?i can play cut the rope: experiment,angry bird space, highlighting and add notes to my PDF lecture slides(this is the crucial one), cheaper apps and etc....
now my mozart is collecting dusk and work as alarm clock[this is where WP7 excel at (easy task)]
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like i said at the start, the OS it self is really great, i just wish i could have the OS on a device as powerful as the "old"Samsung galaxy s2 ( I say old but its still WAY more powerful than WP7 devices.) but the hardware is really letting WP7 Down... no wonder sales have been rubbish
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If you like the experience of Windows Phone but want more modern hardware, Windows Phone 8 might be worth looking at.
It will be based on the NT kernel and will support more powerful CPU / GPUs (including multi-core CPUs) and higher screen resolutions.
There are plenty of other threads discussing WP8 (including timing) if you want more information. I'd expect it to be out within 6 months, assuming you're on a 2 year contract.
OP, your post is useless as all your other 232 posts. Hope to never see you again in WP7/Win8 forums (you may also pick up a few andro-stupid-trolls with)
Get a phone to suit your needs end of line.
I'm also leaving windows phone for android.
I've been a huge windows phone supporter (went from windows mobile to windows phone) and i still think metro is the greatest thing on any phone. But i'm tired of not having key features that i find essential for any phone. I mean common, no way to turn off auto rotation? No way to view notifications other than live tiles? No way to lower volume without lowering ring volume? No way to turn off 3G (if you had AT&T in NYC you'd understand why)
These are things i consider very very basic and should be implemented.
I really don't care about the apps. That's not why i'm switching. I'm switching because i have a problem with the OS not having basic functionality.
Hi guys, lets try to keep the forum focused in DEVELOPMENT, in this section for WP7. Thread closed.
I am a long time android "fanboy" but work in a Microsoft world! . I have to admit I have really liked the surface...I am selling my nexus 10 to get one, I did see that staples will be selling them for 350ish in a week or so, but should in wait until the surface 2?
Will it come out this year? Rumors say yes, but you know how that goes... Anyways just looking for input.. Get one at the price drop or wait?
Are they dropping the price to thin out the stock?
Thanks
Cdrshm
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They didn't mention a Surface 2 at Build, which would have been the obvious time to do it. Plus I think they gave the Build attendees Surface Pros. In the past they've gotten prerelease stuff. If there was a Surface 2 coming out anytime soon it would have gotten some attention. I think you're getting a Surface now.
Tk
I'd buy one all day at that price - best thin client tablet available. Only thing lacking is in games - if your a tablet gamer, there are no gameloft, or EA games to speak of - all the other stuff is there (angry birds, fruit ninja, temple run, pinball, etc), but for me, the gameloft and EA games are the only ones id pay for, and they are non-existent.
I was hoping to sell mine for 400, and get the Surface 2 when it comes out, but looks like you can get one for less brand new. Plus no one knows when the 2 will be out, could possibly have to wait till holiday season, which is months away.
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I'd buy one all day at that price - best thin client tablet available. Only thing lacking is in games - if your a tablet gamer, there are no gameloft, or EA games to speak of - all the other stuff is there (angry birds, fruit ninja, temple run, pinball, etc), but for me, the gameloft and EA games are the only ones id pay for, and they are non-existent.
I was hoping to sell mine for 400, and get the Surface 2 when it comes out, but looks like you can get one for less brand new. Plus no one knows when the 2 will be out, could possibly have to wait till holiday season, which is months away.
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I play some games, but primarily I use it for web surfing, forums, email... that kind of stuff... I love my nexus 10, but would like a better web browsing experience. I don't want to constantly have to change it to desktop mode.... would like desktop web browsing experience (FLASH) on a tablet.... that is clean and fast!
I don't think I can go wrong picking one up for $350, I think they are only doing it for one week, so if after a few weeks im hoping I could still get 400 for it.... i wish they had more info on a release date for the surface 2... I would definitely hold out for one if they were coming this year... Thanks for you input...
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I play some games, but primarily I use it for web surfing, forums, email... that kind of stuff... I love my nexus 10, but would like a better web browsing experience. I don't want to constantly have to change it to desktop mode.... would like desktop web browsing experience (FLASH) on a tablet.... that is clean and fast!
I don't think I can go wrong picking one up for $350, I think they are only doing it for one week, so if after a few weeks im hoping I could still get 400 for it.... i wish they had more info on a release date for the surface 2... I would definitely hold out for one if they were coming this year... Thanks for you input...
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If that's all your using it for, then RT is your device - flash support built in, and with 8.1 you get outlook - but to be honest, I actually prefer the modern mail app because it is more touch friendly - that being said, when im sitting at my desk doing work, having outlook is great.
I have an Android phone - and had the original Asus Transformer - I felt that it was kind of bulky with the keyboard attachment, and when detached, it was literally the same as my phone, albeit with a much larger screen. I was running the same apps, and the same games on my phone as my tablet, so it didn't really feel like a necessary device to me. I felt more comfortable holding my phone for gaming, and would occasionally use teamviewer, or Logmein to do work on my laptop remotely (which was much slower than RT's native RDP). I honestly felt that the apps ran better on the phone than on the tablet - there was considerable lag in everything I was doing, both on my phone and tablet, which drives me crazy. It was basically a pointless device for me.
The Surface RT on the other hand, feels like a real computer. I got it on launch, and was a bit disappointed at first, but the wave of updates made it more stable, and it has been great. Since ive gotten it, I sold my transformer, and even my wife who typically used my Ipad2 for web browsing prefers the RT. I am not App crazy person, I really only use the basics, and the full web browser sold me on RT. When i read people bash the thing because it has no legacy support for windows applications i just lmao.......you never hear someone say, why doesn't my ipad run photoshop - point is, there are a lot of idiots out there. The only app i use on my phone / ipad (besides the occasional game) that is not available on the Surface is Flipboard, and that is coming out shortly.
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If that's all your using it for, then RT is your device - flash support built in, and with 8.1 you get outlook - but to be honest, I actually prefer the modern mail app because it is more touch friendly - that being said, when im sitting at my desk doing work, having outlook is great.
I have an Android phone - and had the original Asus Transformer - I felt that it was kind of bulky with the keyboard attachment, and when detached, it was literally the same as my phone, albeit with a much larger screen. I was running the same apps, and the same games on my phone as my tablet, so it didn't really feel like a necessary device to me. I felt more comfortable holding my phone for gaming, and would occasionally use teamviewer, or Logmein to do work on my laptop remotely (which was much slower than RT's native RDP). I honestly felt that the apps ran better on the phone than on the tablet - there was considerable lag in everything I was doing, both on my phone and tablet, which drives me crazy. It was basically a pointless device for me.
The Surface RT on the other hand, feels like a real computer. I got it on launch, and was a bit disappointed at first, but the wave of updates made it more stable, and it has been great. Since ive gotten it, I sold my transformer, and even my wife who typically used my Ipad2 for web browsing prefers the RT. I am not App crazy person, I really only use the basics, and the full web browser sold me on RT. When i read people bash the thing because it has no legacy support for windows applications i just lmao.......you never hear someone say, why doesn't my ipad run photoshop - point is, there are a lot of idiots out there. The only app i use on my phone / ipad (besides the occasional game) that is not available on the Surface is Flipboard, and that is coming out shortly.
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Well I did take the plunge and purchased one! I have to say I love it... I am still running 8 but did just a few tweak's, like disabling defender.
I agree with the transformers lag. I had the TF300 and it was terrible, especially at web surfing, or downloading multiple apps.. the I/O was awful...
I would usually download the "News" apps because it was better than the website/or mobile site.. but with the RT I just go to the website...
I agree with you 100% with everything you mentioned. I have talked to a few people that "complain" that it doesn't x86 apps... but that's not the point of it... I have laptops and computers and all that...I don't want another one... I really like the 8 interface on a tablet... I would be ok with no Desktop at all... I loved my google nexus and its beautiful screen...but I really like the RT. "I really only use the basics, and the full web browser sold me on RT. " -- Couldn't agree with you More .. no changing to desktop mode, or flash issues.... I have noticed that this site on the RT is a little slow...not sure cause of all the data on one page and ads and the such...
I ran 8.1 for a little bit, it was nice, but I will wait for it to be a little more refined...or final release...
The Pro is a great machine, I just can't justify the price.... love the speed..... They are smoking fast. At work we purchased a thinkpad helix... This thing is a monster. HD Screen, I7, 8GB memory, 250 SSD.....but heavy, I didn't really enjoy it as a tablet, it got very warm, battery life sucked, and you could hear the fans running....
With the rap Microsoft gets about windows 8 and all the hate, they put out a mobile tablet device that runs "APPS, and Office Productivity) and then get beat up over it... I don't understand...
The only thing I wish I could get is: 1. A Cheap touch cover... 20-30 bucks( Wishful Thinking - I know...) ..or just a smart cover like they make for the ipad but locks into place like the touch cover.
Anyways thanks again for your feed back!
cdrshm
I have no problem using tablet with windows 8 RT, and the MS office for home and students are good enough for me to use. I have 4 windows 8 RT tablets for my family. One of my family members uses one of these tablets at graduate school. Three of our family members use Android phones but two android tablets at home are put aside now. It is great to hear that MS starts cutting down the price of Surface RT. The price of windows 8 RT tablet is within the upper range of the price of a netbook ($275 to $375 with keyboard dock) is reasonable enough to purchase.