I wanted to really start from scratch so I went through some of the Samsung open source code and found that there were some unnecessary modules being loaded. That could be what's causing some problems (although I haven't had much but think it's signal related or Sprint's towers being updated), but with no overclocking and the changes, it could solve everything? Dunno still.
So I tried my best to trip the bloat-code out and try to keep it as stock as possible (no overclock), perhaps some of you can test this out for me.
Changelog
v.1
- CWM 4.0.1.5
- Superuser 3.0 + fixed su, now installs in /system/bin, you can update the binaries with SuperUser app.
- init.d support (/system/etc/init.d)
- Bootanimation support
- fixed Airplane toggle
Things to test:
- LOS?
- Video out? - sorry my video out adapter is still being shipped, I think I enabled it but can't really check???
-Airplane toggle should be fixed
Things I am working on:
- Boot splash logo? Still working on that, if anyone knows how to change it, please let me know.
- Recompiling CWM from scratch, add external SD support, fix wipe issue
- Add infrastructure to wifi tether and USB tether?
Devs, u r free to steal my stuff, or stuff I stole I really don't remember from taking too much energy pills, taking a big white line from Stevie Jobs, "Good artists copy, great artists steal.".
If you have some knowledge to share, plz don't forget to email me at zedomax [at] gmail.com
If this works well, I will build off it or otherwise I will keep optimizing until its fully stable.
Thanks guys, you rock!
Download here:
v1:
ODIN tar:
http://downloadandroidrom.com/file/.../SPH-D710_Zedomax_EpicTouchKernelStock-v1.tar
CWM zip:
http://downloadandroidrom.com/file/.../SPH-D710_Zedomax_EpicTouchKernelStock-v1.zip
Yess!!! Thanks zedo. Will give it a whirl. Permission to use in StarBurst once stable?
Sent from my Epic Touch 4G
Odin'ed it over StarBurst 1.2, seems to work good but only been using it for 2min
Gonna test this out, thanks for all of your hard work, Zenomax!
Flashing now.
Boots up. Will be testing until I can get mine to work, but I think I had the same intent as yours does. Boots into CWM just fine too.
Cool! I'll be trying this when I get home. And I won't be bugging you anymore about the yellow triangle anymore... I have my usb jig coming in the mail.
Samsung Galaxy S II
Thanks and keep up the good work, it's well appreciate it
Sent from my SPH-D710 using xda premium
Flashed fine over 4.1beta. Seems to be working well, airplane mode working. Under 4.1 I seem to suffer routine LOS when on the road but not when at home, so it may take a while to fully test but so far so good.
Thanks for all the hard work.
PhantomHacker said:
Yess!!! Thanks zedo. Will give it a whirl. Permission to use in StarBurst once stable?
Sent from my Epic Touch 4G
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Yes of course, any time, I thought everything was open source? LOL
zedomax said:
Yes of course, any time, I thought everything was open source? LOL
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I like to ask anyway. ...Signal strength seems better may be placebo though.
PhantomHacker said:
I like to ask anyway. ...Signal strength seems better may be placebo though.
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my understanding was that signal strength and quality was taken care by the radios/modems, not the kernel...
frifox said:
my understanding was that signal strength and quality was taken care by the radios/modems, not the kernel...
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Was talking about wifi.
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Root is still messed up for me with your kernel Zedomax, so please make one that doesn't have root or even busybox(unless it's needed for the recovery) as root & busybox can be added through CWM if the user wants
great work zedo! i'll test it out once i get back to work. somehow i left ALL my micro usb cables at work like an idiot.
I had the LOS today, had to restart my phone three times in the span of three hours. So, being frustrated, I booted in to CWM, wiped my davlik and flashed back to v1.1. Then I wiped davlik again, flashed back to v1.2 and rebooted. Haven't have a LOS issue since. So far so good...
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My bad, I totally misread the title. I though I was posting in the other kernal thread by Zedo.
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ccline84 said:
My bad, I totally misread the title. I though I was posting in the other kernal thread by Zedo.
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Should just edit the first one
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big thanx zedo.
Calkulin said:
Root is still messed up for me with your kernel Zedomax, so please make one that doesn't have root or even busybox(unless it's needed for the recovery) as root & busybox can be added through CWM if the user wants
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I personally think CWM is causing some issues right now... no evidence behind it, just a suspicion.
silversx80 said:
I personally think CWM is causing some issues right now... no evidence behind it, just a suspicion.
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CWM probably can't cause issues since it's in recovery, it doesn't fire up unless u r actually in recovery but CWM we all using right now have issues as they are based off SG2 CWM binaries. Someone has to compile a CWM for Epic4GT from scratch or at least hack it. I am gonna try that soon but compiling kernels is just taking too much time, I've been 24/7 compiling for like a whole week, get no other work done, i seriously need to go out to a rave and get f--ed up for couple days. Then my head will be clear, compiling will be fun.
Related
MOD EDIT/NOTICE: You all accept the risks of flashing this - anyone caught complaining, flaming or idiot posting will receive a 24 hr ban. Off topic will also be subject to the same.
Here is the system dump & custom TAR of the ICS XXKP8 ROM that was leaked for the international version. This version will boot on our phones but without a CDMA kernel, there will no data, wifi, CWM, etc, so this is meant for DEVS\POWER USERS ONLY to play with.
DO NOT TRY FLASHING THESE FILES UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING, DON'T COMPLAIN IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO REVERT TO A WORKING ROM AS YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED
GT-I9100XXKP8_4.0.3_IML74K.7z - System dump plus zImage
GT-I9100XXKP8_4.0.3_IML74K.tar - Flashable through ODIN
interesting, thanks for this. how far do you suppose we are from a somewhat functional ICS build?
ninja edit: first!
Oh man, thing's are getting hot in the kitchen.
So just a quick question: Why wont this won't brick our phones? Why have their been so many people with bricked phones for flashing international ROMs?
Other then that, awesome work. Just saw your Stock EL29 repack. Youre on fire !
Sweet, great job calkulin... you the man.
I'll do a quick review video of these for sure
This is a good starting point. We need to someone who can hack the 2.3 kernel to run Android 4.0
rpnunez said:
Oh man, thing's are getting hot in the kitchen.
So just a quick question: Why wont this won't brick our phones? Why have their been so many people with bricked phones for flashing international ROMs?
Other then that, awesome work. Just saw your Stock EL29 repack. Youre on fire !
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Because this is just the kernel & system files. If they flashed the complete tar(modem, bootloader, etc), then they definitely will cause a lot of issues
When you get that one bastardized kernel, it'll be good for all international ports to use for awhile til we get source
Has anyone been able to DL the .tar?
qbking77 said:
Sweet, great job calkulin... you the man.
I'll do a quick review video of these for sure
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It has it's issues, front cam doesn't work(main cam works tho), rotation is inverted, no data, no wifi, etc but at least we get a feel for what the official ICS update will be like once it's released. If we get a working kernel, then fixing those issues wouldn't be that hard as I have fixed them before on the EVO ports but until we get a kernel, I'm not even going to start trying
KingOfThaJungle said:
Has anyone been able to DL the .tar?
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He's uploading it lol
KingOfThaJungle said:
Has anyone been able to DL the .tar?
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EDIT: Link is up now
Review video is done... just have to compile and upload
doesn't seem to work for me? just stutters and doesn't respond to any input.
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doesn't seem to work for me? just stutters and doesn't respond to any input.
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Kernel is the problem. Need to try to compile a kernel that will align the hardware with ICS
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1348832
it appears that this group had a working kernel...
Dioscorus said:
doesn't seem to work for me? just stutters and doesn't respond to any input.
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Yep, although if you wait for it to unfreeze, you can then move around momentarily, before it freezes again...so far I can see that it DOES NOT have the face unlock, and other than settings, popup\menus and the Gmail app, which you can notice a difference right away, even without emails in it, it looks pretty much the same being that its TWIZ and not AOSP!
Dioscorus said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1348832
it appears that this group had a working kernel...
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I was watching that thread intently during November & all of December. Seems to be completely dead in the water tho
dbaybay said:
I was watching that thread intently during November & all of December. Seems to be completely dead in the water tho
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For many many reasons, not least of which was no significant progress towards ICS (which at that point needed CM7 as a prerequisite). Hopefully with the system files maybe someone can drag up that kernel and see if they can be made to work together but I think it is a CM kernel and I'm not sure that could be made to play with this...
Review of this port is up...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXqOZ2DCKDE
Thanks calkulin, feel free to add to the OP
Dioscorus said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1348832
it appears that this group had a working kernel...
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The kernel we compiled for that does not work with this. Were going to see if we can get it going though.
This thread is meant to be used to help with the progress of the FB17 and FB09 leaks. Thanks to everyone who has pooled together.
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FB17:
Working: 3g, 4g, Wifi, Bluetooth, MMS, SMS, Face Unlock
Sketchy: GPS (not working for all), No root, No recovery
MANY PEOPLE are having issues with .zip file, so it is recommended to use the .TAR files for FB17. Flash at your own risk, as always!
All needed files are here: http://forums.acsyndicate.net/showthread.php?4961-Samsung-Epic-4g-Touch-FB17
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FB09 (OLD):
Working: 3g + 4g, Wifi, Bluetooth, Face Unlock
Not Working:
MMS (Workaround, use GoSMS from the Market).
CWM Recovery (Workaround, use ROM Manager to install CWM on a GSII (not E4GT) and you'll have a permanent recovery to make backups, flash other ROMs, etc...).
Loss of Service (Wordaround, keep your 4g on - even if you don't get 4g coverage - this seems to stop LOS from occuring).
GPS (No known work around yet)
Download from http://forums.acsyndicate.net/showthread.php?4951-Stock-Deodex-d-pre-rooted-FB09-4-0-3
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Some tips:
Keyboard Issues? Go to settings > input & keyboard > default keyboard and change it to Swype to start. That will get rid of the laghag that Samsung has delivered us. Then you can grab a keyboard from the market or sideload one. Or just stick with Swype as it's working fine.
If you want ICS looking icons until a theme is released, download ROM TOOLBOX PRO and you can switch out icons.
EL29 seems to be working best for most, so I'd recommend using that when coming to this ROM.
GO SMS works for sending MMS as a work-around for the time being.
Need to go back to stock? Try a different kernel? All located here: http://115media.net/scarmon25/Epic4GTouch/
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Thanks to everyone who has helped out, specifically Shabby Penguin and ACS!
shabbypenguin said:
so yea, current buglist is 3g/wifi/samsungkeyboard
so im gunna do something cool (i think youll enjoy )
the zip is up. im using you guys as testers. im asking that you all stop fighting just for 10 mins and help out as a community we need to come together and fix these bugs. lets show sammobile that you cant judge xda by a few bad apples lets get this working great. so while yes there are bugs, i could eitehr work on it througfhtout the day and possibly come up with fixes... or i can release publicly and we can work together as a team, no more of this E4GT!!!!! bull****, or bubby vs the world crap.. remember its team android so buck up cowboys
also i posted some special instructions seems it has some issues when flashing some times, but not always
so qbking has a special litle dance that seems to work every time
as always big shoutout to our source, everyone involved, ACS and a very big thanks to RJMJR69 for letting me release it mucho gracias bossman
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Okay we will
thanks for quoteing my post
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thanks for quoteing my post
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Thanks for releasing it for testing and for everything you do for this phone. You are the **** man, honestly
Thanks for letting us test Shabby. As much as I hate TW, I'm gonna run it anyway, and see if I can help out at all.
I shall take a look after I am done with my prog. homework
Switching my line to my nexus I'm so pumped for this
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I probably won't be testing it out or anything, but I'd just like to give thanks any ways.
Thanks OP, thanks Shabby, thanks ACS, thanks everyone! Lol. Lets get the positive train movin'!
Downloading now (=
Well keeping the modem el29 fix data?
.: sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch :.
there is no fb09 modem :/
i woulda put it in a tar if there was
I would love to flash it but do i have to use odin to get to my back ups?
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good stuff here guys..... thx S.P.
This ROM doesn't upgrade the modem.
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3G, 4G, and WiFi are all broken.
GREAT NEWS GUYS! your gunna have some awesome stuff coming in now, bubby is gunna work on ics for you (instead of selling his e4gt)
dunno what could have possibly caused the change but its good that he decided to stick around
shabbypenguin said:
GREAT NEWS GUYS! your gunna have some awesome stuff coming in now, bubby is gunna work on ics for you (instead of selling his e4gt)
dunno what could have possibly caused the change but its good that he decided to stick around
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I love that kid
And the "red flashing square" bug from the review video is pretty obnoxious.
What about using the FB09 Kernel that was on your site this morning?
I nabbed it while I was on, so I'll try ODIN'ing that.
keanon said:
And the "red flashing square" bug from the review video is pretty obnoxious.
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I saw the fix for this posted earlier today and I cannot find it anywhere now....it had to do with turning something off/on in the development section under settings....
that was a wrong guess for fixing **** :/ i can repost it for anyone taht wants it, but its in teh zip
i just wish sbrissen would wake up and get teh files from me already
shabbypenguin said:
i just wish sbrissen would wake up and get teh files from me already
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im wit ya!!! get in here SB..
Hello folks, my name is CB and I am no developer.
I neither want nor deserve any recognition or status and I don't want
any donations for the work I've done. I can cut and paste and I got lucky
that the people who have gone before me made all this **** very compatible.
I have gotten permission to use this base and this kernel. I got tired of waiting
and asking for someone to release a rom like this so I took matters into my own hands.
This is an ATT base and it
DOES NOT SUPPORT WIFI CALLING
at this time.
CREDITS
Faux123
Whitehawkx
crypted
****in Melvin
seanzscreams
Master&Slave
Starskyrob
The good:
This is the rom we have been waiting for fellas
very smooth
FAST gps
14 panel quick toggle
very light
highly dewizzed
zeam launcher
bravia
xloud
high res media fix
fast 3g/4g
The Bad:
No Wifi calling....yet
No CRT off
Money printing currently bugged
The Ugly:
Still twiz :'(
No Theme
TO INSTALL
- Make a Nand Backup
- Download rom.zip and place on sdcard
- Boot into clockwork recovery
- DO A FULL WIPE 3 DAMN TIMES!
- Install zip from sdcard
- Once zip has finished installing, reboot
- Now wait a minimum of 10 minutes, seriously...
- Reboot
ALSO I SUGGEST
After waiting 10 mins from first boot, batch restore all apps with data
THEN REBOOT
Then go and restore the user data like mms, contacts, wifi etc.
THEN REBOOT INTO RECOVERY and wipe cache, dalvik and fix permissions
Let the Rom settle for 5 mins after home screen boots.
This sequence will ensure a more stable system.
And also, Freeze wifi sharing and wifi sharing manager
and try it WITHOUT any OC apps first, if you followed all the above instructions it
should sleep very efficiently and be very responsive.
If your device is bricked at any time during the use of this rom I cannot be held responsible.
DOWNLOAD
reserved...
uploading now
cbinvb said:
uploading now
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waiting now...,..lol thank you brother
Good to see you back I ran your rom since you posted it and it worked great had a couple little issues but really smooth and had great battery life for me. I imagine you had an issue because of some apps which you had included? Either way don't matter to me but hope your rom is here to stay and you continue to work on it bro
Sent from my SGH-T989 using Tapatalk
They tried to keep the new guy down!
Who was able to host a mirror?
Is this any different from the original one you posted?
They said u had paid apps in this, i hope you removed them.
M&S
Downloading now
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So what am I doing wrong? After I restored dat.... I have no icons at top of screen. When I try to swype down it brings me to all my applications....
Not a big deal at all, but when the phone is in vibrate it seems to show the silent icon on the status bar. Still vibrates, but the icon is wrong. Is this just me?
Thanks in advance,
Russ
Warez??
cibinvb-
Sorry to ask, and no offense intended, but can you address the question of whether the questionable components have been removed? I would like to try the ROM but want to be sure. Thank you!
I'm pretty sure he's aware of why his rom was taken down lol. Anyway, is there tw launcher in here at all?
Sent from my SGH-T989
Not sure how your observation is at all helpful or needed. I am sure he is aware of why it was taken down and I was not asking him that. I was asking if the reason it was taken down was addressed. Otherwise, it may be taken down again. I think it is a fair question and deserves an answer.
Laazyboy said:
I'm pretty sure he's aware of why his rom was taken down lol. Anyway, is there tw launcher in here at all?
Sent from my SGH-T989
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ShermCraig said:
Not sure how your observation is at all helpful or needed. I am sure he is aware of why it was taken down and I was not asking him that. I was asking if the reason it was taken down was addressed. Otherwise, it may be taken down again. I think it is a fair question and deserves an answer.
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Well i believe it was only root explorer... You can always download the rom and see if it's in there. And if you fear the piracy police, just remove it. You shouldn't really be pressing for a question to be answered when it was just recently asked. Such demands makes you look arrogant.
Sent from my SGH-T989 using xda premium
Geez, I am not demanding anything, just explaining to the previous poster why I am asking the question. People are so uptight!
Teo032 said:
Well i believe it was only root explorer... You can always download the rom and see if it's in there. And if you fear the piracy police, just remove it. You shouldn't really be pressing for a question to be answered when it was just recently asked. Such demands makes you look arrogant.
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Why is there always fighting lol you guys read into words too much well back to the topic can't wait till i download it when i get home
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Agreed.
I just downloaded and installed. I don't have a huge timeframe in which to judge, but based on initial use, this ROM is BLAZING fast! Looking forward to giving it a run!!
ilaf0106 said:
Why is there always fighting lol you guys read into words too much well back to the topic can't wait till i download it when i get home
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ShermCraig said:
Not sure how your observation is at all helpful or needed. I am sure he is aware of why it was taken down and I was not asking him that. I was asking if the reason it was taken down was addressed. Otherwise, it may be taken down again. I think it is a fair question and deserves an answer.
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I did answer your question, try not to be so snappy all the time
Just flashed this ROM, excellent speed, battery life seems decent so far (3% drain standby per hour). I remember you put up SKYicecream in your old thread in the general forum, any chance of working with that particular ROM again? Thanks!
ShermCraig said:
Agreed.
I just downloaded and installed. I don't have a huge timeframe in which to judge, but based on initial use, this ROM is BLAZING fast! Looking forward to giving it a run!!
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Is the Browser still slow as a grandma on a skateboard?
Lookin good! Flashin NOW!!!!!
Alright members of the I957 community, I know it's been a long time coming, but I'm proud to (finally) present to you a custom ROM designed specifically for our devices: Contingency! There are a couple of things I need to rattle off in this description before I can get down to business. 1. Due to some error in updater-scripts causing incredible lag with CWM flashes, this ROM is Odin-based only. If you aren't very good with Odin/need a refresher, look down below for a quick little tutorial to help get you started. 2. Due to my lack of an actual cellular data account for this device, it's difficult for me to tell you whether or not the data is working... I'm 99% it is functional in this build, but in future builds I may need a tester to discern for me.
Features & Added Apps
Da_g's OC Kernel
CWM Recovery
Rooted
Zipaligned
Deodexed
Bloat Removed
Build.prop performance tweaks
System Tuner for OC/UV
Titanium Backup
Go Launcher HD (If you're a Touchwiz hater)
As you can probably see, this is a very bland ROM right now; I just had my first successful Odin flash of it yesterday, and the testing lead all the way up to today.
Stuff To Add/Do (Taking Suggestions)
Extended Power Menu
CRT-Off
Bravia
Xloud
Edit Name in build.prop
Put data monitor back in
Theming
Due to my little experience in the world of Tablet modding, I could really use some help as to what you guys would like to see in future builds of Contingency.
Instructions For Odin Flash (It's In Red Because It's Important)
A data wipe is optional, but I recommend it.
Download the .rar of Contingency from the link below
Extract out "Contingency vX.tar" to a place you'll remember it
Open up Odin
Navigate to your Contigency.tar and load it into the PDA slot
Make sure your Tab is in download mode (Power Button + Both Volumes)
MAKE SURE RE-PARTITION IS UNCHECKED!!!!!!111!!!!!111?!?!?!!11!11!%[email protected]^#
Hit start
Go grab a snack, sit back, and watch that progress bar
Screenshots
Look at your Stock Tab... Now back to me. Unfortunately, I'm not your stock tab, but that's what Contingency looks like.
Changelog
Code:
Contingency v1.0b1
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[*]First release, no changelog
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Thanks
orlandoxpolice (for the time he's dedicated to the I957 community, and his patience with me as I was sidetracked by a couple other of projects)
Da_G (for his kernel)
cezar (for inspiring me get into ROM developing)
raptor jesus (for being awesome)
paula deen (for fried butter)
Download
Contingency v1.0b1 -----> Here
Since this is Odin, do I need to be rooted to flash this?
Excellent job, will flash this weekend!
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KitF said:
Since this is Odin, do I need to be rooted to flash this?
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No, since it will be installing a rooted kernel anyway
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Awesome!
jomeister15, You Da Boss!
I'll flash this in about 12 hours when I am back at home with my i957, and I'll let you know how data is doing. If I get no data action, what is the fallback to get to the original rom?
Thanks very much for this!
Phil
phil_white99 said:
jomeister15, You Da Boss!
I'll flash this in about 12 hours when I am back at home with my i957, and I'll let you know how data is doing. If I get no data action, what is the fallback to get to the original rom?
Thanks very much for this!
Phil
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Ha, I guess you're right, there isn't really a way to get back to stock if you mess something up... I'll set up a stock firmware repository later today.
Damn! Double damn! Nice....! Finally! Thank you!
Looking forward for:
The Extended Power Menu with the recovery option...
14 toggle mod
Circle Battery Percentage (Blue if possible)
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is this based of AT&T ROM? will it have wifi hotspot?
hjlow said:
is this based of AT&T ROM? will it have wifi hotspot?
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If based on att I doubt it would have hotspot but maybe something that can be worked in.
Just curious what build prop tweaks you used jo
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hjlow said:
is this based of AT&T ROM? will it have wifi hotspot?
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if you want wifi hotpost use quick tether from market. it activate usb and wifi tethering.
I'm gonna charge mine up for a little bit and try this rom out later. I only got 30% charge currently.
Bought mine used a couple of months ago. Still has an active SIM in it from the original purchasers account. Guess the termination fee was too steap or they needed the cash and decided to live with the $30 a month
I mainly use it on wifi but will test it out on ATT network to see. I just pop it on once in a while to see if it's still active. Just checked and it was!
If it's a nogo I can just use Odin with the original rom from ATT/Samsung? I already have it downloaded as I've use it twice to reset mine.
Waiting for ICS sucks!
Does this still have the ATT data monitor app?
Thanks!
sergey1977 said:
if you want wifi hotpost use quick tether from market. it activate usb and wifi tethering.
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might be better to base it off Bell or Telus ROM instead..
orlandoxpolice said:
If based on att I doubt it would have hotspot but maybe something that can be worked in.
Just curious what build prop tweaks you used jo
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http://androidforums.com/triumph-al...-performance-tweaks-updated-04-14-2012-a.html
Most of the ones from the link here... I know build.prop edits can be a little vague sometimes, but I seem to see an improvement.
might be better to base it off Bell or Telus ROM instead..
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You're probably right, I'll give one of those a try later.
hjlow said:
might be better to base it off Bell or Telus ROM instead..
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Would the att data monitor work with those?
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Yea the only one that worried me was the 3g booster and dalvik heapsize. Honeycomb also has a few already built in as most edits are based off of gingerbread.
Cool stuff tho
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No issues with flashing the rom. First bootup was a little scary as it stayed on the Android animation screeen for a while. Wound up doing a factory reset once up and running to clear up some issues. Seems to get more responsive after it sits for a while and after a couple of reboots. Had a couple of issues with updating the app store and maps but it seemed to work itself out after a couple of tries.
ATT data is functional for those who are interested. I don't live in a LTE area but it's getting closer by the month.
ATT data monitor app is gone. No biggy but was nice to see how much free data I have left....Hoping original owner keeps my data plan going!
Active applications widget can be added but only clicks when touched. Guess the app is no longer included....No big deal just thought I'd mention it.
Looks like there is alot of stuff to play around with as far as tweaks go. Not sure what they all do but guess I'll check them out later.
Thanks again!
I'll let you guys know if I see anything else that is worth mentioning.
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if you want wifi hotpost use quick tether from market. it activate usb and wifi tethering.
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Or Barnacle... Download below...
Now that you mention the AT&T data monitor app from the tablet, (poster above) I was trying to get the app working on the galaxy note and I failed. I installed the apk from the tablet to the Galaxy Note via Titanium and manually... I see the app and the widget on the Note perfectly, but I am unable to link it to my phone data plan... Any ideas? I was able to get to a screen were is asking for some credentials that are out of my hands... I guess they are AT&T credentials for my account in order to set or link the monitoring app...
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So I've made a NANDroid backup from recovery with CWM already.
If this rom fails, will I be able to do a restore of the stock rom?
Thanks
reapur said:
So I've made a NANDroid backup from recovery with CWM already.
If this rom fails, will I be able to do a restore of the stock rom?
Thanks
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It would be best to save a copy of your nandroid backup somewhere safe like on your computer just in case you need it later. Not sure if Odin will nuke it or not. My tab was pretty much stock when I flashed it today as I used Odin to restore the stock rom a couple of weeks ago. If I remember correctly a folder in root is no longer there. Not 100% sure what it was called but I'm thinking it was preloaded or preinstalled. Not needed anyways as it was ATT apps/bloatware if I remember correctly.
I'm not sure about the rom failing and nandroid back thing. Maybe somebody else knows forsure.
I'm thinking if you for some reason don't like this rom you'd have to maybe use Odin to flash the stock rom back first, then install the kernel you were using and then move the nandroid back to the tab if it was deleted and then flash it back.
As soon as there is a link to download the original Stock AT&T ROM I will be installing this ROM...
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Subject: Problem w/(4G?)-HotSpot hack on "WILD FOR THE NIGHT" CM10.1-20130316-d710 (base-band version EK02)
So, I was recently *given* a Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7" (p3113, WiFi only) by a buddy of mine, for helping him out with some significant things in real life. I know right? Very cool of my buddy. I'm in love with the tablet still (honeymoon period). It's not brand-new, but its new to me, so of course the first thing I did was root it, wipe it clean, and install unofficial a CM10.2 nightly build w/working IR from 080913. I'm staying on 080913 build since it's the latest build that supports TabletUI.zip, via Nova Launcher, which I also love by the way. Anyway, this tablet is the PERFECT compliment to my Sprint E4GT "Spider-Man Edition" (cracked screen, long story)
So, this recent tablet acquisition has given me reason to use the hotspot built into CM10.1, on my phone, under "Settings|More|Tethering & Portable Hotspot|Portable WiFi HotSpot. I had assumed up to this point that CM10.1 on my phone had the 4G hotspot hack pre-installed, but alas, when I use it to tether my tablet to get internet access on the tablet, only 3G mobile data appears to be working.
What gives with this? It'd been a while since I've been keeping up with the E4GT ROM/hack scene, so is there some hack zip that I need to install in order to take advantage of tethering and 4G on this ROM? Thanks will be given in multitude for any assistance. Thanks.
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Subject: Problem w/(4G?)-HotSpot hack on "WILD FOR THE NIGHT" CM10.1. tps://www.dropbox.com/s/rwew4y39t3f6pns/wifi-tether-gnex-4.2.2.apkhttps://www.dropbox.com/s/rwew4y39t3f6pns/wifi-tether-gnex-4.2.2.apkhttps://www.dropbox.com/s/rwew4y39t3f6pns/wifi-tether-gnex-4.2.2.apk-20130316-d710 (base-band version EK02)
So, I was recently *given* a Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7" (p3113, WiFi only) by a buddy of mine, for helping him out with some significant things in real life. I know right? Very cool of my buddy. I'm in love with the tablet still (honeymoon period). It's not brand-new, but its new to me, so of course the first thing I did was root it, wipe it clean, and install unofficial a CM10.2 nightly build w/working IR from 080913. I'm staying on 080913 build since it's the latest build that supports TabletUI.zip, via Nova Launcher, which I also love by the way. Anyway, this tablet is the PERFECT compliment to my Sprint E4GT "Spider-Man Edition" (cracked screen, long story)
So, this recent tablet acquisition has given me reason to use the hotspot built into CM10.1, on my phone, under "Settings|More|Tethering & Portable Hotspot|Portable WiFi HotSpot. I had assumed up to this point that CM10.1 on my phone had the 4G hotspot hack pre-installed, but alas, when I use it to tether my tablet to get internet access on the tablet, only 3G mobile data appears to be working.
What gives with this? It'd been a while since I've been keeping up with the E4GT ROM/hack scene, so is there some hack zip that I need to install in order to take advantage of tethering and 4G on this ROM? Thanks will be given in multitude for any assistance. Thanks.
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I use this when I'm on slimbean or other aosp ROMs..never tried it with cm.. But should work. https://www.dropbox.com/s/rwew4y39t3f6pns/wifi-tether-gnex-4.2.2.apk. ... You will have to set it up for the epic in its setting.. Then play around with it a little.. I think I posted my settings somewhere.. I'll find the post and link it..
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Here is the link.. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2375899&page=4 .... Post 34.. Hope this helped..
Edit... finally found out who made this app... TrevE....so thank him if it works for you
This appears to work as you said!! (Thanks given to your reply)
I configured the first option in the settings menu of this app for "Sprint Epic 4G Touch, and also enabled "Access Control" (whatever that means, care to explain that for me?) and, low-and-behold, turning on 4G is no longer ignored by this new hotspot app, like it is by the stock CM10.1 hotspot app. SpeedTest.Net confirms that 4G is actually in use. The differences in speed between 3G and 4G are only marginal at best in many locations, but that is on Sprint's crappy WiMax 4G implementation, and not the fault of the hotspot app you linked me to. With the SpeedTest.Net app, I'm getting about 0.8Mb/s average download speed while sitting at my desk in my office (indoors), when only 3G is enabled on the phone. but I'm getting about 1.7Mb/s when using this newly-suggested hotspot app with 4G enabled on the phone. So clearly it's working, and that that extra 1Mb/s (or sometimes slightly more) can be the difference between smooth video playback on YouTube (or whatever video app), versus frequent pausing for buffering when watching a video link sent by a friend to my phone. It's also makes Google Maps and Google Navigation much faster AND more responsive when I'm on the interstate, where the 4G coverage is generally pretty good here in the DFW area. SO, I'll kjeep you posted if I run across any major bugs,m but this suggestion appears to allow to now tether by tablet to my phone with actual 4G WiMax. Thank you SO much for your suggestions and links!
Your loyal "thanker" from now on,
T
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I configured the first option in the settings menu of this app for "Sprint Epic 4G Touch, and also enabled "Access Control" (whatever that means, care to explain that for me?) and, low-and-behold, turning on 4G is no longer ignored by this new hotspot app, like it is by the stock CM10.1 hotspot app. SpeedTest.Net confirms that 4G is actually in use. The differences in speed between 3G and 4G are only marginal at best in many locations, but that is on Sprint's crappy WiMax 4G implementation, and not the fault of the hotspot app you linked me to. With the SpeedTest.Net app, I'm getting about 0.8Mb/s average download speed while sitting at my desk in my office (indoors), when only 3G is enabled on the phone. but I'm getting about 1.7Mb/s when using this newly-suggested hotspot app with 4G enabled on the phone. So clearly it's working, and that that extra 1Mb/s (or sometimes slightly more) can be the difference between smooth video playback on YouTube (or whatever video app), versus frequent pausing for buffering when watching a video link sent by a friend to my phone. It's also makes Google Maps and Google Navigation much faster AND more responsive when I'm on the interstate, where the 4G coverage is generally pretty good here in the DFW area. SO, I'll kjeep you posted if I run across any major bugs,m but this suggestion appears to allow to now tether by tablet to my phone with actual 4G WiMax. Thank you SO much for your suggestions and links!
Your loyal "thanker" from now on,
T
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Thanks for the kind words... Being able to help someone out is the part I most enjoy about this site.. You can let me know about any issues you have , but just to make sure you know.. This isn't my app.. Just found a drop box link while looking for myself and others and it worked. I'm still not sure who made it..lol. It might say in the app, but I'm not currently using it as I'm on projectX ROM and its tether works great..
Hey there... thanks for the follow-up. Still working like a champ bro, AND it does something else that the stock tethering app doesn't do: it allows the ability to only allow "Approved devices" (by MAC address) to connect, in addition to (or I think even instead of) setting a WPA2 password. It even shows you in the phone's notification bar which approved devices are currently connected, and plays a custom notification sound when an unapproved device attempts to connect. Combine that with a home screen widget for 1-touch toggling, and the MacroDroid app set up to automatically turn on data and 4G when the tether app is turned on, and this is now officially the coolest thing on my phone. I know you didn't create it (nor did you ever claim to), but you did link me to an app that ended up exceeding my wildest expectations. THANK YOU BROTHER.
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trmitche2 said:
Hey there... thanks for the follow-up. Still working like a champ bro, AND it does something else that the stock tethering app doesn't do: it allows the ability to only allow "Approved devices" (by MAC address) to connect, in addition to (or I think even instead of) setting a WPA2 password. It even shows you in the phone's notification bar which approved devices are currently connected, and plays a custom notification sound when an unapproved device attempts to connect. Combine that with a home screen widget for 1-touch toggling, and the MacroDroid app set up to automatically turn on data and 4G when the tether app is turned on, and this is now officially the coolest thing on my phone. I know you didn't create it (nor did you ever claim to), but you did link me to an app that ended up exceeding my wildest expectations. THANK YOU BROTHER.
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I know..its great.. When I found it...it was like finding a lost treasure.. Of course, now I'm on tw..so I don't need it..but you can bet I'll always keep a backup of this app..Thanks for the kind words... You can change the op title to solved. That way others might see it, if they need help or the mod's can delete if they deem it so.. Good luck.
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I know..its great.. When I found it...it was like finding a lost treasure.. Of course, now I'm on tw..so I don't need it..but you can bet I'll always keep a backup of this app..Thanks for the kind words... You can change the op title to solved. That way others might see it, if they need help or the mod's can delete if they deem it so.. Good luck.
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Will this work on a rooted yet stock 4g? FWIW I'm not running Touchwiz I've got Nova.
Thanks as I've got the apk ready to go if someone gives me the thumbs up.
CentralVAHere said:
Will this work on a rooted yet stock 4g? FWIW I'm not running Touchwiz I've got Nova.
Thanks as I've got the apk ready to go if someone gives me the thumbs up.
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It will work..... and you are on touchwiz... you're just using a 3rd party launcher.. (Nova is one of my favorites )...
If you need help setting it up... I linked to my settings above.. you might have to play with it though as you are on tw.. I said I was on tw, but it was a custom rom that was tw based with a 4g hotspots hack... so I didn't need it.. Should work on stock rooted though...
Let me now
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It will work..... and you are on touchwiz... you're just using a 3rd party launcher.. (Nova is one of my favorites )...
If you need help setting it up... I linked to my settings above.. you might have to play with it though as you are on tw.. I said I was on tw, but it was a custom rom that was tw based with a 4g hotspots hack... so I didn't need it.. Should work on stock rooted though...
Let me now
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Thanks for that help! I configured it according to the link you posted but to no avail. It says it's running but I can't find the SSID when trying to connect another computer to it. I also don't see the icon on the top of my screen indicating that I'm connected to 3g. Is this app only for 4g?
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Thanks for that help! I configured it according to the link you posted but to no avail. It says it's running but I can't find the SSID when trying to connect another computer to it. I also don't see the icon on the top of my screen indicating that I'm connected to 3g. Is this app only for 4g?
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No... it will work with 3g too.... try playing with the settings... remember, those settings of mine where for an aosp rom (slimbean)...
Also... if you decide you don't like it or can't get it to work... after you delete the app... boot to recovery and wipe cache and dalvik cache. This will get rid of the binaries installed by the app.
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No... it will work with 3g too.... try playing with the settings... remember, those settings of mine where for an aosp rom (slimbean)...
Also... if you decide you don't like it or can't get it to work... after you delete the app... boot to recovery and wipe cache and dalvik cache. This will get rid of the binaries installed by the app.
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Thanks for all the help! Last night I changed the setup method to Softap for Samsung (master) and actually got the 3g icon to show and I thought it was going to work but I could not find the SSID and there were also errors recorded in the log. I'm at work now in an all metal building and can't get a signal but I will try again and report back. Thanks again!
Oh, and we're sure this setup, if I get it to work, is totally unknown to Virgin? I would hate them to boot me for doing this. (oh, and how ridiculous is it to charge for data that I'm already paying for!?!?) One reason I got the S2 from Virgin online is because it stated wifi tethering as a feature. Nowhere did it say I had to pay for this feature. But that's another story.
CentralVAHere said:
Thanks for all the help! Last night I changed the setup method to Softap for Samsung (master) and actually got the 3g icon to show and I thought it was going to work but I could not find the SSID and there were also errors recorded in the log. I'm at work now in an all metal building and can't get a signal but I will try again and report back. Thanks again!
Oh, and we're sure this setup, if I get it to work, is totally unknown to Virgin? I would hate them to boot me for doing this. (oh, and how ridiculous is it to charge for data that I'm already paying for!?!?) One reason I got the S2 from Virgin online is because it stated wifi tethering as a feature. Nowhere did it say I had to pay for this feature. But that's another story.
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You should be safe from virgin knowing... atleast I've never been caught by sprint or boost..
As for the error's... I always had error's on my setup.. but it worked.. keep trying, I know there is a setup to get ya going...
If you end up not getting it to work.... you could try an app from the playstore... or as a last resort you could flash a custom rom based on tw.. the tw roms have working 4g hacked hotspots.. you would need to change you're apns once you have the new rom flashed so you have data.. no biggy there..
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You should be safe from virgin knowing... atleast I've never been caught by sprint or boost..
As for the error's... I always had error's on my setup.. but it worked.. keep trying, I know there is a setup to get ya going...
If you end up not getting it to work.... you could try an app from the playstore... or as a last resort you could flash a custom rom based on tw.. the tw roms have working 4g hacked hotspots.. you would need to change you're apns once you have the new rom flashed so you have data.. no biggy there..
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I can't get this or any tethering app to work. I've tried modding my build.prop file with the .tether.denied=false item as well - to no avail. I think it's because I'm on IceCream Sandwich??? Anyway, I'm rooted, stock ROM and all I want to do is enable wireless tethering. I really feel no need or desire to install a custom Rom. So, can I do it somehow? I am on the Epic 4G Touch forum, someone has to know.
Also, you mentioned clearing my delvik cache and something else but I have no idea how to do it. I tried installing clockwork mod but I could find no option for the Epic 4G Touch. There was an option to create a backup for the Epic 4G but not the touch. I figured at least if I did this I'd have the option of clearing the cache.
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks again.
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I can't get this or any tethering app to work. I've tried modding my build.prop file with the .tether.denied=false item as well - to no avail. I think it's because I'm on IceCream Sandwich??? Anyway, I'm rooted, stock ROM and all I want to do is enable wireless tethering. I really feel no need or desire to install a custom Rom. So, can I do it somehow? I am on the Epic 4G Touch forum, someone has to know.
Also, you mentioned clearing my delvik cache and something else but I have no idea how to do it. I tried installing clockwork mod but I could find no option for the Epic 4G Touch. There was an option to create a backup for the Epic 4G but not the touch. I figured at least if I did this I'd have the option of clearing the cache.
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks again.
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I see you said that you ( tried ) installing clockwork mod.. so I'm assuming you tried it with Rom Manager... I will say this once.. Do Not Use That To Install Recoveries on this device.. you will end up with a brick...
We have to use Odin,mobile Odin and there is a couple other ways ( involving a terminal emulator ) to install recoveries on this device.. You see.. our kernel's and recoveries are tied together.. So to install a custom recovery, we have to flash/install a custom kernel..
Let me ask you this.. how did you root and what superuser app are you using..
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I see you said that you ( tried ) installing clockwork mod.. so I'm assuming you tried it with Rom Manager... I will say this once.. Do Not Use That To Install Recoveries on this device.. you will end up with a brick...
We have to use Odin,mobile Odin and there is a couple other ways ( involving a terminal emulator ) to install recoveries on this device.. You see.. our kernel's and recoveries are tied together.. So to install a custom recovery, we have to flash/install a custom kernel..
Let me ask you this.. how did you root and what superuser app are you using..
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Yeah, I tried installing it with Rom Manager, I can go ahead and uninstall it then. I rooted using some solution I found online and honestly I don't remember what it was but it was very simple. I am using Superuser 3.1.3 (46). Was that what you were asking??
I really would hate to be one of those people who hasn't done their homework and then expects everyone else to answer their questions - I hate those people. I succesfully installed CM10 to my HP Touchpad so I feel pretty good being able to at least accomplish that feat.
Thanks for your help. Hey I guess if I make a successful backup of how my phone is now, I can play with other roms. Maybe this is the jumping in point for me right here. Thanks!
Now to figure out these damned captcha codes!
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Yeah, I tried installing it with Rom Manager, I can go ahead and uninstall it then. I rooted using some solution I found online and honestly I don't remember what it was but it was very simple. I am using Superuser 3.1.3 (46). Was that what you were asking??
I really would hate to be one of those people who hasn't done their homework and then expects everyone else to answer their questions - I hate those people. I succesfully installed CM10 to my HP Touchpad so I feel pretty good being able to at least accomplish that feat.
Thanks for your help. Hey I guess if I make a successful backup of how my phone is now, I can play with other roms. Maybe this is the jumping in point for me right here. Thanks!
Now to figure out these damned captcha codes!
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Ya.. this could be the start of you loving you're phone again.. :fingers-crossed:
I always suggest new people to read up before doing anything...
Also.. I suggest starting out with the touchwiz roms.. they will be more familiar to new users as well as a little easier to trouble shoot.. I believe..
They also have the better data speeds and the 4g hotspots hack..
Just read up.. if you need any help.. I'm always around.. but first things first.. read up on custom recoveries... once you have one installed with a kernel that will work for you're stock rom you can make a backup... you could make one with another custom recovery/kernel combo, but let's just keep it simple for now.
In rwilco's repo you can find just about anything you need... modems( read about ),kernel/recoveries, and many other things. Just remember and read about the emmc brick bug in ICS..
Being as you are new and not on JB.. a one-click for Odin on windows will be our first step if you choose to proceed. From there you can flash just about anything you want... I can link you to a little guide I put together for a really easy way to flash/install new roms, kernels/recoveries.
Let me know what ya think...
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Ya.. this could be the start of you loving you're phone again.. :fingers-crossed:
I always suggest new people to read up before doing anything...
Also.. I suggest starting out with the touchwiz roms.. they will be more familiar to new users as well as a little easier to trouble shoot.. I believe..
They also have the better data speeds and the 4g hotspots hack..
Just read up.. if you need any help.. I'm always around.. but first things first.. read up on custom recoveries... once you have one installed with a kernel that will work for you're stock rom you can make a backup... you could make one with another custom recovery/kernel combo, but let's just keep it simple for now.
In rwilco's repo you can find just about anything you need... modems( read about ),kernel/recoveries, and many other things. Just remember and read about the emmc brick bug in ICS..
Being as you are new and not on JB.. a one-click for Odin on windows will be our first step if you choose to proceed. From there you can flash just about anything you want... I can link you to a little guide I put together for a really easy way to flash/install new roms, kernels/recoveries.
Let me know what ya think...
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Thank you for the quick reply. I'll certainly take any info you give me. Like I said, I don't want all the answers, just a point in the right direction and ideas.
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Thank you for the quick reply. I'll certainly take any info you give me. Like I said, I don't want all the answers, just a point in the right direction and ideas.
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Start reading the stickies in the Android development section.. a very good starting point..
Also.. don't worry about asking questions.. we all start out as noobs.. lol. But you have the right attitude..plus.. when you find the answers yourself, I always think they stick better and you also get that feeling of accomplishment. You'll make a good member here with the way you are looking at it... but I also know that when you come to that first flash... it can be nerve racking.. So if you get stuck or not sure where to head.. just hit me up.. Good Luck..
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Start reading the stickies in the Android development section.. a very good starting point..
Also.. don't worry about asking questions.. we all start out as noobs.. lol. But you have the right attitude..plus.. when you find the answers yourself, I always think they stick better and you also get that feeling of accomplishment. You'll make a good member here with the way you are looking at it... but I also know that when you come to that first flash... it can be nerve racking.. So if you get stuck or not sure where to head.. just hit me up.. Good Luck..
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Okay thanks. I'm still thinking about all of this. I'm thinking I'm not committed enough to do it right now and it may be a case of the cure being worse than the disease. I mean all I really want to do is make wifi tethering work. I'm afraid I don't have the time necessary to tinker with all of this esp since I am very happy with my Android user experience so far with this phone.
Besides the tethering fix, what other benefits would there be to installing a custom rom. Or... what would make a custom rom better than Jellybean? Is installing a custom rom the only way I can backup my current system?
Thanks again though for all of your help.
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Okay thanks. I'm still thinking about all of this. I'm thinking I'm not committed enough to do it right now and it may be a case of the cure being worse than the disease. I mean all I really want to do is make wifi tethering work. I'm afraid I don't have the time necessary to tinker with all of this esp since I am very happy with my Android user experience so far with this phone.
Besides the tethering fix, what other benefits would there be to installing a custom rom. Or... what would make a custom rom better than Jellybean? Is installing a custom rom the only way I can backup my current system?
Thanks again though for all of your help.
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For me.. it's about customization.. Being able to change my status bar( color, transparency, icon, clock position, )..and many other things..
Also... I find that the custom roms are smoother than stock roms...
As for backing up you're system... you can backup you're data on a pc/mac...but if you're wanting to do full system backup's....I think rooting and a custom recovery are the only way to go.. ( but I'm not positive , as I've never looked into it.. )