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A poll to see who thinks threads like "THE BATTLE OF THE ROMS!" should be deleted

A poll to see who thinks threads like "THE BATTLE OF THE ROMS!" should be deleted
Hello - there are so many threads posting useless questions that have already been answered, and those asking what the best ROM for the Trinity is out there. This really gets my goat - is useless and as the creator of the above mentioned thread clearly said in his first post: "...there hv been many threads abt which the best ROM is in ur opinion, but none of them hv really continued and provided some usefull opinion..."
These threads pollute the forum - an otherwise valuable source of information - and make it more difficult to find the information that people want (especially for newbies). As a result they cerate a new thread asking their question - It's known as the snowball effect.
So I think we should have a vote on it: should these threads be deleted / moved or not? The comments in the above mentioned thread lead me to believe that nobody finds these useful - but let me and everyone else know please.

Nuff said! Time to kick ass, i voted that we should group them all, so that at least we have some funny thread to read in our iddle times. ;-)
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haha.. this made my day! great post nealed!

Everyone keeps banging on about useless pointless threads being created and I agree it is a pain but this is an open forum and I'm sorry but you will never be able to stop it unless a major overhaul to the way in which the site is operated is carried out.
You can complain and whinge until you're blue in the face but it ain't gonna stop so why bother?
Just ignore them instead of lashing out!

neomagik said:
Everyone keeps banging on about useless pointless threads being created and I agree it is a pain but this is an open forum and I'm sorry but you will never be able to stop it unless a major overhaul to the way in which the site is operated is carried out.
You can complain and whinge until you're blue in the face but it ain't gonna stop so why bother?
Just ignore them instead of lashing out!
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simply because of the described "snowball effect". I think we need moderators who are fair - but who do that - moderate - and make the forums what they should be - an easily accessible source of info for all - experienced and newbie users.

nealed said:
Hello - there are so many threads posting useless questions that have already been answered, and those asking what the best ROM for the Trinity is out there. This really gets my goat - is useless and as the creator of the above mentioned thread clearly said in his first post: "...there hv been many threads abt which the best ROM is in ur opinion, but none of them hv really continued and provided some usefull opinion..."
These threads pollute the forum - an otherwise valuable source of information - and make it more difficult to find the information that people want (especially for newbies). As a result they cerate a new thread asking their question - It's known as the snowball effect.
So I think we should have a vote on it: should these threads be deleted / moved or not? The comments in the above mentioned thread lead me to believe that nobody finds these useful - but let me and everyone else know please.
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Darn ..... you posted faster ...

nealed said:
simply because of the described "snowball effect". I think we need moderators who are fair - but who do that - moderate - and make the forums what they should be - an easily accessible source of info for all - experienced and newbie users.
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Agreed. But this puts extra pressure on the moderators, and until it is implemented (and it may not) there's nothing anyone can do! Do you see my point?
I think you're flogging a dead horse!

yea, watever, watever you guyz think, I created it for the benifit of others, and I dont know what you find so offensive or wrong in that thread, but watever you say guyz. a thread for those ppl who are new to these kind of things and are still confused after doing their research can come here to make a slightly better decision... i dunno why so many ppl find it offensive, i wasn't trying to create competition, or no such thing... wat is it that got you guyz so angry abt this, i have no idea....

so much of anger over that thread?? "polluting the forum", "make it difficult to find information" wow, wow, I didn't expect this to happen... so much of anger against that thread??? wow.... if its that bad, i sincerely apologize for creating that thread, but still why so much of this anger???

AkshayGenius said:
yea, watever, watever you guyz think, I created it for the benifit of others, and I dont know what you find so offensive or wrong in that thread, but watever you say guyz. a thread for those ppl who are new to these kind of things and are still confused after doing their research can come here to make a slightly better decision... i dunno why so many ppl find it offensive, i wasn't trying to create competition, or no such thing... wat is it that got you guyz so angry abt this, i have no idea....
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AK - CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND:
1. New guys cannot find what they want - because of so many junk posts
2. As you yourself said - there has never been anything useful come out of asking people what the best ROM is or to say which one they prefer.
It's not gettin anyone anywhere - the info is there - maybe we need more stickies for the pertinant threads and moderators to dump the junk. Then we'd have a much more useable forum.
" a thread for those ppl who are new to these kind of things and are still confused after doing their research" that's the Wiki - and all can edit / contribute. people need to use the Wiki tho.....

alright, i understand, i get it... ignore that thread and bury it.....
lets get it over with, i dunno why there is so much hype against this...
so, i sincerely apologize for creating that thread.

Talking about useless threads....this one is the perfect example of useless waste of keyboard strokes...

yea, as if this thread isn't "polluting" the forum...

Roms are Roms, Depend On You!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi to all brothers and friends, No one actually can reply to this type of question, what's the best ROM, its depend on each of us, for what type of uses, whats we are looking for etc etc..... All the cooking chefs as always do their best to share with Us, no one of us can pay these guys,
SO IF ANYONE OF US WANNA KNOWS WHATS THE BEST ROM SO BROTHERS "DOWNLOAD THEM ALL" AND LIKE US TRY THEM ALL.
Then decide by your own whats the best goes fit for our Mobile.
None offence, no anger, no mood off, Take your time and see what's U need best for yourself.
A BIG STANDING OVATION TO ALL GREAT COOKING CHEFS HERE. and also a big thanks to all members helping this Site.

Here here beautifully put beautyangel.
Peace and love to all trinity owners

I simply don't understand where are the mods to deal with all this mess.. It has become really irritating

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Hey People,
If you want an answer to your questions, Please stop creating new threads . You can post all your Questions here and the Senior Members,Mods and other admins will revert to you with the answer. This reduces the amount of threads created and keeps the development area clean. Let the DEV. area only consist of hacks,mods,fixes,roms and other things. Let all the question and answer go in here!

Let it me say so, this is a international Forum to "HELP" other people with their problems, i am not disturbet of answering the same thing 100 times if someone needs my help, i am here to help,
and serious devs are chatting privately if they need quick contact not over posting in a forum...
I think it is a little bit unfair for newcomers cause they must learn things that senior members know here, and shouldn't we not help such people?
I am here to help as you all call them "noobs" and such people are for me the importants, users that only critizise them don't help the devs or even the newcomers. If everyone would help here such people we would have less problems and it is normal to not use the search, i am also not using it^^
No critic against you, i only want to write here my statement, for what this forum is made, to discuss problems and to help others to solve them, forbidding postins in dev area i don't want.
Everybody who has million times the same question in MY topics in dev area is welcome, every user i will try to help, if someone have questions to my apps, i will answer them a million time if needet.
By the way the possible answers are not suited for people against your thinking. so it is for me useless, make fair ratings so that users can use the answer they realy want or me as a dev.
And remember always:
WITHOUT THIS USERS WE DEVS ARE NOTHING!!!
Thank you.

larioteo said:
Let it me say so, this is a international Forum to "HELP" other people with their problems, i am not disturbet of answering the same thing 100 times if someone needs my help, i am here to help,
and serious devs are chatting privately if they need quick contact not over posting in a forum...
I think it is a little bit unfair for newcomers cause they must learn things that senior members know here, and shouldn't we not help such people?
I am here to help as you all call them "noobs" and such people are for me the importants, users that only critizise them don't help the devs or even the newcomers. If everyone would help here such people we would have less problems and it is normal to not use the search, i am also not using it^^
No critic against you, i only want to write here my statement, for what this forum is made, to discuss problems and to help others to solve them, forbidding postins in dev area i don't want.
Everybody who has million times the same question in MY topics in dev area is welcome, every user i will try to help, if someone have questions to my apps, i will answer them a million time if needet.
By the way the possible answers are not suited for people against your thinking. so it is for me useless, make fair ratings so that users can use the answer they realy want or me as a dev.
And remember always:
WITHOUT THIS USERS WE DEVS ARE NOTHING!!!
Thank you.
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I also agree to this. But just that, the questions and answers week be at one place and users or new users need not search the forum. They can jump to this thread and search for the answer. Also, it avoids creation of un necessary threads.
Search the development area will show up some developmental results, and hence the user might not find the exact results expected.
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Process over Community...

I have been a member of this community for some time now and have done my best to contribute and help others as time has allowed. I feel something has changed for the worst at XDA.
These days, it seems much less tolerant and community oriented. There is a lot more rigor placed on moderating what ends up in each forum and more people bashing anyone who makes a mistake. I understand the intention is to make content easier to find, but it seems to have done so at the expense of community. Telling someone to search Google is not always the answer.
A post in the wrong forum should be met with corrective action and information and not hostility. Hostility should also be met with corrective action. If this becomes a community that is unpleasant to participate in, then people withdraw and we lose the opportunity to interact with some talented people.
I am anticipating a bunch of examples of the above in response to this post, so have at it.

N!njaDuck said:
I have been a member of this community for some time now and have done my best to contribute and help others as time has allowed. I feel something has changed for the worst at XDA.
These days, it seems much less tolerant and community oriented. There is a lot more rigor placed on moderating what ends up in each forum and more people bashing anyone who makes a mistake. I understand the intention is to make content easier to find, but it seems to have done so at the expense of community. Telling someone to search Google is not always the answer.
A post in the wrong forum should be met with corrective action and information and not hostility. Hostility should also be met with corrective action. If this becomes a community that is unpleasant to participate in, then people withdraw and we lose the opportunity to interact with some talented people.
I am anticipating a bunch of examples of the above in response to this post, so have at it.
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Hope I'm not in the wrong here but I +1 this post. You do get the feeling that if you do post something in the wrong section or have a disagreement then your gonna be toast. Although I was warned when I tried to sell an xbox, which was a mistake by me but I'm grateful I didn't get banned.
Sent from my Nexus S running NSCollab ROM and Mathkid's Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious Kernel!!!

Most of the people over in the forums don't usually listen to our "corrective" things .
Most of the time they repeat the same questions and you finally go angry and feel like calling that person "stupid" but have to control yourself otherwise you'll be banned for insulting .
The times when they want certain files that cannot be posted in the forums , we naturally turn to Google .
Don't tell me that if someone wants warez we cannot *always* direct them to Google .
Otherwise , what ? Bing ? Daaaaaamn .
Forever living in my Galaxy Ace using XDA App

EmoBoiix3 said:
Most of the people over in the forums don't usually listen to our "corrective" things .
Most of the time they repeat the same questions and you finally go angry and feel like calling that person "stupid" but have to control yourself otherwise you'll be banned for insulting .
The times when they want certain files that cannot be posted in the forums , we naturally turn to Google .
Don't tell me that if someone wants warez we cannot *always* direct them to Google .
Otherwise , what ? Bing ? Daaaaaamn .
Forever living in my Galaxy Ace using XDA App
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It is more the people calling other people stupid and generally being discourteous that I am talking about. It is generally better to answer the question politely, provide a link to the right forum or thread, and help redirect behaviour than being hostile. People seem to forget the time when they started with XDA and made the same mistakes they are no so critical of.
The ops need to do thier job and we need to support the organization as part of the community, but we also need to remember to respect the people who at least have the guts to take an active role in the community. Today's noobs are tomorrow's experts...
Rant over...

N!njaDuck said:
It is more the people calling other people stupid and generally being discourteous that I am talking about. It is generally better to answer the question politely, provide a link to the right forum or thread, and help redirect behaviour than being hostile. People seem to forget the time when they started with XDA and made the same mistakes they are no so critical of.
The ops need to do thier job and we need to support the organization as part of the community, but we also need to remember to respect the people who at least have the guts to take an active role in the community. Today's noobs are tomorrow's experts...
Rant over...
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You make a point.....
Oh well , since I have nothing to reverse.....you may actually be right .
Forever living in my Galaxy Ace using XDA App

N!njaDuck said:
Telling someone to search Google is not always the answer.
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I agree, but when people start their threads, "I've tried searching but couldn't find anything" it really winds me up because the majority of the time its clearly sheer laziness, evident by how many times you know the question has been answered already and you're able to find the answer yourself in the first few results in Google.
The biggest issue as I see it at the moment is the lack of mods to clean up the forums, we keep getting told new ones are coming but no sign of them yet.
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XperienceD said:
I agree, but when people start their threads, "I've tried searching but couldn't find anything" it really winds me up because the majority of the time its clearly sheer laziness, evident by how many times you know the question has been answered already and you're able to find the answer yourself in the first few results in Google.
The biggest issue as I see it at the moment is the lack of mods to clean up the forums, we keep getting told new ones are coming but no sign of them yet.
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I always say that if there is a job that needs to be done and you don't see anyone else there to do it, maybe the person you are looking for is you. Ever thought of applying for the job?

A proposal for the XDA community to consider.

I'll get straight to the point.
The nature of our Development Forums on XDA have changed dramatically since the G1 days and unfortunatly its a change for the worst, its hitting in my opinion rock bottom with less and less people willing to contribute. Back when Android was born and XDA opened its doors to us G1 users we were all there for one reason. To LEARN!
The thirst for knowledge and understanding was exciting and thrilling, being the first to discover something new and letting it be free and available to all who wanted, to strive to break down the barriers that our providers put before us and set us all free! It was to be a complete geek and openly honest a complete rush for me and all of us.
Just writing about it sends a shiver down my spine I so enjoyed it all back then. But todays culture seems to be one of spoon feeding information to people who have no idea what they actually have in there hands, and to be frank would look at me cross eyed if I told them to use terminal emulator to enter a command! Now dont get me wrong I'm no linux expert I'm not even a beginner but I took time to learn terminal commands for Android to help further our community by not asking dumb questions and knowing what a search engine was!
So for my proposal and discussion as a community is.....
Should we allow the developers to HAVE the Developement forums?
We currently have General forums with support threads so basically if your not a developer you simply can't post in there. Lets give the devs somewhere they can talk with other devs and concentrate solely on development and not reading 15,000,000 pages of posts like 'The rom didn't work its rubbish' and replying back to all these people to try and gain some peace to work.
Well I have had my say and I look forward to some serious intelligent debate on this.

How exactly do you differentiate between a dev and non-dev? Also, there are plenty of non-dev users who find valuable info for the people doing the actual dev work.

WCCobra said:
How exactly do you differentiate between a dev and non-dev? Also, there are plenty of non-dev users who find valuable info for the people doing the actual dev work.
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Easy. Can you build a rom? Do you know your arse from your elbow? And have you heard of google?
If you answer Yes to all three you're probably a dev.
No seriously you are perfectly correct and I understand what you are saying but again why couldn't we have that same discussion/help/suggestion here? Its basically the same and the devs can check in whenever they like as they already have to in their development threads now. We have help threads here that are basically unused because they are cluttering up the devs thread instead. We need to look at encouranging devs to stay and this to me gives them that and a lot more would be achieved I feel.

Perhaps a way for devs to have a open or closed thread.
Like asylum rom. There is discussion thread and a development thread.
Maybe an option to allow only recognised developers or senior members in a thread.
I agree junior members (noobs) are a pain in the ass.
I tought myself mostly by reading threads and figuring things out.... Why can't they? I don't know... I try to play nice though sometimes the stupidity bassles me.
A blacklist option or a "kick ban from thread" option for the dev. If someone is anoying to other members or just clutters the thread this would be a nice implementation for a dev.
Send from my Omega/perseus powered SGN2

Don't see this being implemented anytime soon. Thread will probably be closed as well. Sad but true. People will always ask assisine questions that can be solved by searching or wiping.
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adolfo778 said:
Don't see this being implemented anytime soon. Thread will probably be closed as well. Sad but true. People will always ask assisine questions that can be solved by searching or wiping.
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God knows I understand that but again why not let this be the forum to ask them in?

I'm no dev. I'm far from it. But I can totally agree with what you say about it being different from the g1 days. I too get a little... Choked up...
I didn't even know what adb ment, let alone how to work it. Took me hours just to figure out and set up.
After rooting and handling updates for all my buddies phones plus my own... I'm a little more comfy. But I can't build a ROM.
There definatley a problem with people not reading. I mean... "Does cam work on this ROM?" Its answered on every page. I've seen it answered 3 posts before the question was asked.
Xda-Etiquette got lost somewhere along the way. Some things are too advanced for new android users. If it was, I didn't touch. New members don't think like that.
Read read read. Post in general or q&a. Don't clutter up dev threads with "thanks" and "help... I brick!".
Learn what a brick is. Lol.You don't have to be the first with s-off when you don't even know what it means. Wait til it becomes easier. Don't lose a device cuz you want to be on the cutting edge but don't even know what fastboot means.
Bs in the other topics. When you click that "android development" button, keep your mouth shut and read. Nothing most of the xda users, myself included, can say would be productive and helpful to devs.
And to end... I still <3 xda.
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DisruptiveMind said:
God knows I understand that but again why not let this be the forum to ask them in?
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Xda has gotten a lot more traffic Since the g1 days so noob questions are expected. I imagine if the mods were to implement your idea. Alot of those threads and members would be left with unanswered questions, plus you don't have to read the 500 pages in each thread just the OP we read through the pages to pass time
And most devs already talk to each other via iirc and gtalk and popular ROMs such as venom have there own forums. The difference is xda gets more traffic. More traffic = more downloads. Plus what fun is it if all the threads are serious, and devs dont get to bag on noobs
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adolfo778 said:
Xda has gotten a lot more traffic Since the g1 days so noob questions are expected. I imagine if the mods were to implement your idea. Alot of those threads and members would be left with unanswered questions, plus you don't have to read the 500 pages in each thread just the OP we read through the pages to pass time
And most devs already talk to each other via iirc and gtalk and popular ROMs such as venom have there own forums. The difference is xda gets more traffic. More traffic = more downloads. Plus what fun is it if all the threads are serious, and devs dont get to bag on noobs
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Once again they can! They just do it in here instead when the devs need a laugh. All help and dumb questions can be answered here in the General Forum meaning people would actually be more likely to read at least something of the first post in the Development Forum because its not as daunting knowing there is another 100 pages of posts to read following it.

Did you remember to fastboot flash the boot.img?

Thx for this thread, it always helps to discuss issues if they occur. In any case there is no need for closed dev threads @ XDA, since this would lead to believe we are only developing for our own pleasure. Reality is we all enjoy to push the envelope and share it with other guys in the forum. We all need and want feedback, so it`s not a problem XDA can solve.
All we can do is try to educate users, that we are happy to help them as long as they try to search for answers first either in the thread, on XDA or Google. Users in dev thread need also understand the following:
All custom ROM`s have bugs (so do stock ROM`s)
Not all these bugs are ROM related, in many cases the problem sits in front of the device.
If it`s a real bug, just report it, but don`t be demanding. Most of us just publish stuff here for pure pleasure of sharing and cause we are proud, that we could enhance the user experience with new features.
Users really need to understand, that we don`t have an obligation to update stuff in a certain time frame. We do that in our free time and it`s just a hobby.
Users should especially behave in a friendly manner and be respectful with everyone in the threads.
So bottom line - don`t expect XDA to solve the issues, we as a community must learn to respect each other and understand there`s more important stuff in life then a phone.
Edit: Maybe except the new ONE :laugh::angel::silly:

Well again I find myself saying all that can be done here, I never once said I wanted the Development thread closing or to create a nature of 'building for themselves' we could all still have access and well would need it to download roms so I don't understand where you are coming from on that point. Why do we have a support thread in General if the support is offered in the roms thread?
And to be honest as we need to be I have seen you yourself getting annoyed by the questions that pop up time and time again as has many other devs leading to yet more and more posts about ego wars and the tiredness of answering the same thing again and again and again. Simply let that stuff stay in here otherwise not only is General but Q&A forums seem to be somewhat pointless as no matter how hard you try being nice about it users will never learn. A place where real Developers can go and know the community takes care of the 'silly' stuff, as a developer yourself I would assume you would appreciate not having to spend so much time reading all the pointless posts that appear. You say rightly that you do this as a hobby and in your free time so wouldn't it be better if you knew you had somewhere to get away from it so to speak and spend that time doing work on your rom/s?

The stupid questions are just plain laziness. I'm basically a noob, this is my first android phone and I just got it last October. I can't remember even asking any questions, maybe as couple, literally. I'm usually the one helping out people who have been using android longer than me. In October, I remember having to look up what a kernel even was. Lol. So, yeah, people just have you seriously just read more, but don't just follow steps, try to understand what you are actually doing. Just following steps, you won't learn nothing.
HTC_One_S | Xparent_ICS_Blue_Tapatalk 1.06_Hboot_Downgrade | Root_Box | Bubba_Kernel_2.8b | S-OFF

I don't think things will ever change. There are always going to be lazy, entitled noobs who want to be spoon fed. Changing that I think would be a losing battle. I'm not saying we should encourage them, but fighting and flaming simply won't ever change things. I think we should simply continue helping those who've shown they have no problem making the effort to help themselves and ignore the ones who want everything handed to them.

'noob' unfriendly forum!

Ha, yes-it really is!! I love xda, find lots of great stuff, I buy the apps, blah, blah.. I even tried to comment(no reply). How many 'dislikes noobs' do I see lol!! I'm not hideously noobie & we all start somewhere right?! Kind of off putting to be honest..not really fair to those of us that like using the site-I wonder how many questions go unanswered..
Just my little rant.. disgruntled, female(aaargh!), noob..xx

Hehehehe..
If someone says he dislikes noobs. it is his personal opinion not of xda...
We at xda focus on helping everyone who needs it. (I too need help as m nt a developer)
So if some of the questions go unanswered ..belive the fact that either no one knows it or the one who knows it havent seen it yet
I know one of the member who was very rude ... bt he helped others alot (scolding them alongside to search first )

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doctor_droid said:
Hehehehe..
If someone says he dislikes noobs. it is his personal opinion not of xda...
We at xda focus on helping everyone who needs it. (I too need help as m nt a developer)
So if some of the questions go unanswered ..belive the fact that either no one knows it or the one who knows it havent seen it yet
I know one of the member who was very rude ... bt he helped others alot (scolding them alongside to search first )
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Thanks, was venting-just being female!! Onwards & upwards!:laugh:

Hi xeexe,
As doctor_droid mentioned, sometimes questions can go unanswered purely because others don't know the answer OR it was buried in the forum too quickly and therefore more people, who may have been able to help, wouldn't have seen your thread.
Just like any other situation, whether it be on an internet forum or in real life, there'll always be those who are helpful and those who will ignore/moan at you asking a question. That's natural but there's generally more people around ready to help than there are to dislike you. Don't let it put you off though as this forum has a great community and you can learn a ton of new stuff from here aswell.
By the way, if you're still having the same issue with your phone I suggest editing your thread again so that the question is posted and then bump your thread up so that people will be able to see it at the top of the forum again

KidCarter93 said:
Hi xeexe,
As doctor_droid mentioned, sometimes questions can go unanswered purely because others don't know the answer OR it was buried in the forum too quickly and therefore more people, who may have been able to help, wouldn't have seen your thread.
Just like any other situation, whether it be on an internet forum or in real life, there'll always be those who are helpful and those who will ignore/moan at you asking a question. That's natural but there's generally more people around ready to help than there are to dislike you. Don't let it put you off though as this forum has a great community and you can learn a ton of new stuff from here aswell.
By the way, if you're still having the same issue with your phone I suggest editing your thread again so that the question is posted and then bump your thread up so that people will be able to see it at the top of the forum again
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Thank you I ended up sorting out my 'issue' anyway but then you need to ask to have a post removed, do you? And could you?! My previous post-had an issue flashing roms but it's okay, I was being a noob, lol!
Yeah, I won't let it put me off, love the site-just over-sensitive I guess

xeexe said:
Thank you I ended up sorting out my 'issue' anyway but then you need to ask to have a post removed, do you? And could you?! My previous post-had an issue flashing roms but it's okay, I was being a noob, lol!
Yeah, I won't let it put me off, love the site-just over-sensitive I guess
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In most cases threads won't actually be deleted but as the issue is resolved abd had no replies anyway, just report it by using the orange triangle on that post and ask for it to be deleted due to the above reasons

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In most cases threads won't actually be deleted but as the issue is resolved abd had no replies anyway, just report it by using the orange triangle on that post and ask for it to be deleted due to the above reasons
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Thanks

Okay, so since we have things resolved I'm making a noob friendly closure of this thread