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Start Menu icons vanish in winmo 6.5 on TG01

Apologies if this is in the wrong place or has been addressed somewhere else but I couldn't see anything.
Hi guys and girls
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this is my problem... for some reason, some of the apps I install (via market place or from .cab) lose their icons after the phone is restarted. They have an icon once installed but it soon vanishes and is replaced with this generic window one.
I have tried changing the icon with an Icon Changer app, and made 90x90 pixel png icons to replace them with, but although the new icons show up in the changer app, it makes no difference to the start menu, even after a restart.
Is there some fix to this, it's making what's otherwise a stylish bit of kit, a little... ugly...
Cheers!
(PS: Apps that don't have icons:
Google Maps
Facebook
Stopwatch
Mobile TFL
Apps that DO have icons:
Klaxon
Twikini
Orange Maps
+ all default apps)

I think it's an issue to do with the programs installed on the storage card. Sometimes if you take out the memory card, the application icons can disappear. After a few reboots and by launching the apps, the icons usually come back.
Hope this works

ragingbull said:
I think it's an issue to do with the programs installed on the storage card. Sometimes if you take out the memory card, the application icons can disappear. After a few reboots and by launching the apps, the icons usually come back.
Hope this works
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They re-appear about once in every 4 reboots... but sometimes it takes up to ten, it's totally random. Although the custom icons I made do show up sometimes.
Also, some of the apps without icons are installed on the device not the card. and 2 or 3 apps that are installed on the card always have their icons...
such a little niggle but so annoying.

Re-install them...

Rhonald said:
Re-install them...
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first thing I tried... nothing doing.

razerbug said:
first thing I tried... nothing doing.
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storage card problem.try to use a differrent sd card for checking

hdubli said:
storage card problem.try to use a differrent sd card for checking
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That I actually can do. My first TG01 had a fault with it's auto-rotate so Orange sent me out a new one but didn't take back the storage card. So I have a duplicate blank 8gig toshiba memory card... just cloned the old card to the new one, all programs still work but no icons, didn't think it could be that because some programs on the card have icons and some programs on the phone don't.
Think it's the usual party piece from MS, release an OS before it's finished and keep patching it up as you go.

Okay so work around:
assuming the problem is (in some weird way that also affects apps on the device...) with the storage card I made a new folder at \My Documents\Icons\
in there I put the 90x90 .png icons that I made in Photoshop in there, then used the JWMD Icon Changer to remove all the old icon links and point them at the icons on the device.
This seems to have worked! and they survive reboots.
So, due to the fact 6.5 isn't actually an OS ready for release I now have to
> download apps from the marketplace
> move the app to the storage card because there isn't an option to install to the storage card in market place - despite the fact most phones have less than 500mb device memory
> open PS and make a new icon for any app I chose to download.
> connect the phone and copy these files to the device.
> use a 3rd party app to remove the old icon and replace it with the new one.
> restart the phone.
All because MS can't be arsed to check their software is bug free before releasing!
If anyone knows an actual fix rather than this long winded work around please do shout...

I have the same issue but as you probably know this phone had a lot of issue with SD card with WInMO 6.1. Toshiba seems has partially solved the SD corruption problem but now has introduced this new problem. I think that SD card is not accesible at boot a thus Winmo cannot load icons.

Hi everyone, I have just got a TG01 and I have the same problem also.
All programs installed to my SD card show as white squares, I have a Sandisk branded MicroSD card which has served me well for a couple of years and has worked fine in all my other phones.
All programs installed to the phone memory all show fine and I am in agremenet that it is an issue with the SD card at boot time. I had a similar issue with a Samsung Omnia using the internal flash memory but no one could fix that either.
So is there a way to make Windows wait for say 0.5 seconds during boot just before the icons are loaded so the SD card has time to mount then when the start menu is loaded into memory all icons appear?

I've found the problem has become a lot less frequent, seemed to have been solved when MS fixed the Marketplace install-to-SD-card issue.
in fact, looking at it now after a reboot - all the icons are working. Suggest downloading the latest version of Marketplace.

Loaed latest Marketplace and configured to install to SD card, restarted but still the same

I recently got told there was an update from Toshiba, assumed this was 6.5.3... alas it wasn't, it's still 6.5, but one of the things it did do was totally remove this problem. They gave no explaination of what the "update" was supposed to do though so maybe a simple re-install of winmo is all that's needed?

Internal memory issue on CM11

I've Googled this to death and can't find what is wrong. Apparently my system is taking up 10gb of memory, but I've gone through every logcat folder and other folders and can't figure out what the problem is.
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Nobody? I'd really appreciate any help!
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radrobe said:
Nobody? I'd really appreciate any help!
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seems like you just have alot of apps installed to me

1.22gb? It says my total space is 12.05gb. That leaves 10+gb unaccounted for.
The second image shows my system data as taking 10+ gb. Why would that be.
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radrobe said:
1.22gb? It says my total space is 12.05gb. That leaves 10+gb unaccounted for.
The second image shows my system data as taking 10+ gb. Why would that be.
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Honestly I've been having internal and external issues with storage and cm11.
It's really odd how it's acting, but for me it's adjusting stuff IE removeing, adding folders I have to re-scan the storage be it internal or external...to even get things to notice....that or a reboot. Moving files from microsd to internal and/or back result in stalling out or not moving when it says it does move it, again re-scan seems to help at times when it says it moved it, but with the stalls it just hangs forever and never does anything.
I've had this with multiple Cm11 revisions, so I am leaning to KK being the culprit.
I keep looking around and can't really find MUCH at all on this sd card issues, but I have seen a few.
I have three 32GB class 10, a 16gb class 4, a 8gb class 6 and class 4.......every card has the exact same issue. So it's not releated to class or size.
I will however add CM1 does NOT like 32gb cards, as when I boot up it has a loop that keeps saying "sdcard removed unexpectidly......remounting sdcard" and it will loop like that indefinately until I go into storage settings. I don't have to touch any settings jsut enter it and it stops. After I exit out, it's fine until I acess the sdcard again and it acts all wonky again. It oesn't always loop, somtimes it jsut dones't see the cahnges made, but a lot of times it will then loop into the same "sdcard removed unexpectidly......remounting sdcard" loop, until I again enter the storage settings, and then stops again.
I'm surprised there aren't more posts about this.

easyrider77 said:
Honestly I've been having internal and external issues with storage and cm11.
It's really odd how it's acting, but for me it's adjusting stuff IE removeing, adding folders I have to re-scan the storage be it internal or external...to even get things to notice....that or a reboot. Moving files from microsd to internal and/or back result in stalling out or not moving when it says it does move it, again re-scan seems to help at times when it says it moved it, but with the stalls it just hangs forever and never does anything.
I've had this with multiple Cm11 revisions, so I am leaning to KK being the culprit.
I keep looking around and can't really find MUCH at all on this sd card issues, but I have seen a few.
I have three 32GB class 10, a 16gb class 4, a 8gb class 6 and class 4.......every card has the exact same issue. So it's not releated to class or size.
I will however add CM1 does NOT like 32gb cards, as when I boot up it has a loop that keeps saying "sdcard removed unexpectidly......remounting sdcard" and it will loop like that indefinately until I go into storage settings. I don't have to touch any settings jsut enter it and it stops. After I exit out, it's fine until I acess the sdcard again and it acts all wonky again. It oesn't always loop, somtimes it jsut dones't see the cahnges made, but a lot of times it will then loop into the same "sdcard removed unexpectidly......remounting sdcard" loop, until I again enter the storage settings, and then stops again.
I'm surprised there aren't more posts about this.
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I don't get it either. Last night, I completely wiped my system and data, reinstalled fresh, and no effect.
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radrobe said:
I don't get it either. Last night, I completely wiped my system and data, re-installed fresh, and no effect.
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Just a suggestion, and not sure if you did it this particular way or not, but sometimes I have to do it this way........instead of the normal "wipe" this and that, go to mounts section and format the areas....then do a wipe like normal. Make doubly sure you pull the sdcard though then it doesn't get wiped....I accidentally wiped all mine heh, good thing I had it all backed up on the pc.
Seems like no one has a solution for the sdcard issues I've read about and seen, that or else everyone is like REALLLLY busy, because forums irc chat, and online searches are like dead, can't get a rise out of anyone right now. If so it'd still be nice to get a "hrmm, I'm not sure" or a "how bout you just piss off" or a solutions or some kinda answer, even a... would at least show me people have read the post.
I just got cm11 back on.
I was using root browser before, but decided to look into this issue. I figured I'd start with a different explorer app so I tried ES File Explorer, but that didn't let me do root stuff, I'd hit root where there is suppose to be a menu under that, but it just went directly back to the folders I was in, so there was really no way to get r/w or root access or permissions. After looking at some forums I came across one that said try Solid Explorer out. I of coarse was leery and reluctant to try it, because I have been using root explorer for SO long.....just like the transition from ES FIle Explorer to root explorer, I was the same way with that transition, I always like to stick with what works, so going to something new and moving on, it really hard to do at times.
Well I finally took the plunge and went for it, and found out I don't have the issues I did before, everything works fine.....things seems to refresh/re-scan fine, and update to see the latest changes I have done, file transfer works good, everything jsut works.
So it seems it's not KK after all as I had first thought.....it was root explorer.
Evidently root explorer and ES have not modified or updated to work correctly with KK. That or else it's just this particular phone/model (Samsung S3 SPH-L710), but I really don't see it being that.
So all that being said, maybe try that out....it's free too, that's just the icing on the cake . It's actually a nice file explorer.

It's definitely not a file Explorer issue. Updates have not made this issue go away. Anyone else have insight into this?
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I would also like to figure out what is going on. Even when I plug my phone into my computer to look at files, there is hardly anything there, but it says i only have 230 MB left of storage on my 11GB internal drive. My apps take up 1.5 GB, pics 35 MB and everything else is just a few MB, yet I lost about 10GB of internal space. I can't even shoot a video on my phone since it only saves to internal drive and I don't have much space left.
Will someone please advise as to the best thing to fix this (I will admit, I am a bit of a noob)

Hi, new on the forum for the Tab 2 10.1, facing same memory issues as mentioned.
Currently on the latest CM 11 nighlty.
Would there be an update on this topic and how to solve?
txs!

[TUT] How to get rid of automatically created .Thumbnails folder

Hello, I was going through a very serious problem since days. When we have few pics in Albums, it creates cache for those pics in memory qith folder name .thumbnails
Sometimes the size of these cache is more than 1.5GB+.
This is a big issue for devices like Xperia M, with very low internal memory.
So i got a way to solve this.
For that, you will need ES File Explorer. No root is needed for this.
You have to do is follow these instructions.
1. Open ES File Explorer.
2. Make the hidden files viewable.
3. Go to DCIM folder.
4. You'll see thumbails folder, delete it.
5. Now create new file and name it as ".thumbnails" without quote.
And you are done.
Click on "Thanks" is important before going to make this thing work. :beer:

Are you aware that despite reporting 1.5GB+ size, this folder takes only 30-40MB of your storage, right? It's an issue with the stock Album app that makes the database file size displaying incorrectly, replacing the stock version with an updated version in /system/app fixed that for me...
Also, preventing the folder being created cause a big performance loss in the Album app, since it'll always regenerate the thumbnails when you open the app, but after your guide the thumbnails won't be saved, so it'll do this all the time...

And additional info regeneration of the thumbnails every time you open album will cause more battery drain as it will increase the cpu load
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Well, this will be helpful for unrooted 4.1 XM single phones who are running on very lesser internal memory.
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Are you sure that the cache won't just be created again?
If the answer is yes, rather than the "how to", i would be interested to know why you think that it is a good idea to completely get rid of .thumbnails...

stamatis said:
Are you sure that the cache won't just be created again?
If the answer is yes, rather than the "how to", i would be interested to know why you think that it is a good idea to completely get rid of .thumbnails...
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Yes, I'm sure.
Im using it, and the cache folder will be gone for life and about battery life, how much battery life it should take? Very few, we worry about memory and not battery.
People gone foolish here.
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StraightEdgeKid said:
...how much battery life it should take? Very few, we worry about memory and not battery.
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I don't have a SD Card, but I have around 300-400 photos in the internal storage, in that case the battery loss will be noticeable (I tested your tutorial to measure and I lost 2% of my battery every time it regenerated the thumbnails). Also, the phone will get hot and laggy while regenerating the thumbnails, and it'll do this every time you use the Album app or the Photos widget. In that case I still prefer wasting around 30-40MB with the thumbnails folder than having the phone getting hot and laggy every time I need to access the gallery

Camera photos stored on MicroSD card.
Having the photos taken by the camera stored directly to the microSD card is not an option? [pause for effect]
I have a 64GB SanDisk Extreme, so it's faster than writing to internal storage anyway.
On 64GB nobody cares about a few indexing cache files...
In the Camera go to settings and change Data storage to SD card.
Basic 32GB Class10 MicroSD cards are cheap as chips these days.

No, camera can save in the SD Card normally, I just didn't buy a SD Card yet. My point is that even if you don't have a SD Card, the internal space you get freed by doing this tutorial (around 30-40MB) isn't worth because of the problems it causes (laggy gallery, phone getting hot, increased battery drain, etc)...

And here's a picture...
mbc07 said:
No, camera can save in the SD Card normally,
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Sweet, I'm just so happy my stock 15.1.C.2.8 XPERIA C1905 ROM is different from everyone else then.
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You can move pictures, music and videos to SD card too via:
Settings -> storage -> Transfer data to SD card (under Miscellaneous).
This is a reactive process task as it doesn't proactively move stuff as you can do with a lot of applications and the camera via settings.
But handy to have when one wants to do an internal data cleanup to free up what one can of the ~2GB internal storage.

I never said that camera wouldn't let me save in the SD Card, I have the same options you mentioned in my stock 15.2.A.2.5 too. I was referring to the .thumbnails folder, it'll be on your internal storage, and following the OP tutorial you'll permanently disable it, saving a few megabytes from internal storage, but as I said before, these few megabytes you save by following the tutorial aren't worth because of the mentioned side effects the tutorial causes...

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I never said that camera wouldn't let me save in the SD Card,..
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Ah, sorry my mistake. I had hidden files.."hidden'".
True, you still get thumbnail files in /storage/sdcard0/DCIM/thumbnails/

[Q] Is 16gb enough?

I want to buy the Note. Been waiting for the kitkat update. Will 16gb be enough for on-device stuff like games and apps? Will games like modern combat save additional stuff to microsd. I plan on using a 64gb microsd.

No. Go with the 32. If you're tight on money order a used one from Amazon warehouse they can go as low as $356 for the 32gb.

I wish i went with 32gb. Will probably sell my 16gb and get a 32gb one
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I'd say 32 GB as well. I have 32+64gb card fully using it. Would have gone with 128gb but they are too expensive atm.

A million times, thanks

You need more memory more than ever now that we're on KitKat. Apps can create and access their own files and folders on the external SD card but all other apps can't touch them because of new permissions Google introduced in 4.4. Samsung's apps (EG: Gallery, File Manager) have universal permissions which helps a little. The only way to get full external SD access is a to root.

Now, what price should I be looking for if I want to by used/refurbished.

elzeus said:
No. Go with the 32. If you're tight on money order a used one from Amazon warehouse they can go as low as $356 for the 32gb.
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I bought one 2 weeks ago on amazon warehouse and they sent me a first generation note 10.1. They would not send another stating they didn't have any in stock.

Kit Kat and SD Card
I upgraded my Galaxy 10.1 (2014 edition) which has 32 gigs. I found I had several apps installed on a micro sd card that worked with version 4.3 and still work with 4.4.2. Also I downloaded a couple of apps since then and I found I could move them to the micro sd card ant app seems to run as normal. Maybe before Samsung made 4.4.2 available they changed something to work from the card. If you have any apps in the main memory that you have downloaded see if they can be moved to sd card. Some can and some can't. Depends on the developer.

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I upgraded my Galaxy 10.1 (2014 edition) which has 32 gigs. I found I had several apps installed on a micro sd card that worked with version 4.3 and still work with 4.4.2. Also I downloaded a couple of apps since then and I found I could move them to the micro sd card ant app seems to run as normal. Maybe before Samsung made 4.4.2 available they changed something to work from the card. If you have any apps in the main memory that you have downloaded see if they can be moved to sd card. Some can and some can't. Depends on the developer.
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Try moving a file or creating a folder on the external SD card with a non-Samsung file manager. You can't. Even if you could, only the app that created the folder or file would have access to it. I used to sync files on my N3's external SD card with my home server using FolderSync and it worked flawlessly on 4.3. Once I updated to 4.4 FolderSync spits out error messages every time it tries to write a file to external storage. This has been an issue since KK first landed on a device with external storage (which was the Google Play Edition SGS4 in November). It is what it is and, without rooting to change access permissions, can't be changed and affects every device equally. Thankfully for those of us that can't or won't root, Samsung at least provided some of their key apps with universal read/write permissions.
Here's what the "My Documents" folder created by Hancom on my external SD actually translates to on my N3.
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And external storage appears just like normal within any app that's created files or folders there.

I think 32gb is much better.
I am using 16gb now. In my SD some data(lecturenotes, docs, ebooks) and 2 custom rom files. Even i have neither podcasts nor movies, but my SD have only 2gb space now. I think 32gb or higher capacity sd will be much better.

Never enough. I can't wait for 64 and 128 to become the standard.
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32gb it is then. Thanks to everyone for posting:good:

tarusdg said:
32gb it is then. Thanks to everyone for posting:good:
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32gb is the only way to go didn't even look at 16 GB she. I bought mine a couple of weeks ago
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And you'll notice all my media is on external SD...

@BarryH_GEG could I tranfer lets say a film from Internal Storage to SDCard on KitKat??
Thanks in advance.
Edit: Found answer in another thread
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Geordie Affy said:
@BarryH_GEG could I tranfer lets say a film from Internal Storage to SDCard on KitKat??
Thanks in advance.
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The work-around to getting pretty much anything to external SD is Samsung's My Files. The challenge is moving huge files, that or moving a lot of files simultaneously that are collectively huge. There might not be enough free space on your internal storage to get the files on to your device. Here's a couple of ways of getting files directly to external storage. Like everyone else I'm not thrilled with the new external SD card restrictions but there are ways to accomplish pretty much anything. The only thing I haven't found a work around for is syncing. I ended up moving a bunch of apps and files to external storage so I could move my sync folders to internal storage.
You can setup a two-window instance of My Files and drag-and-drop content directly from Dropbox to External SD.
You can also use Samsung Link to transfer files from another Samsung device, a PC, or a cloud service (Dropbox, OneDrive, Box) directly to external storage. IMHO, Samsung Link is one of the most overlooked features Samsung provides. It's fantastic for managing and viewing files across devices. For example, I can take a picture with my Gear which transfers it to my N3. I can view, edit, and share the pic from my N10.1-14 or PC seconds later. Anyway, here's a screen shot of it.

Avoid camera asking for sd card every time you reboot?

Any way to avoid this getting asked every time I reboot?
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Yes: Ignore it lol.

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Any way to avoid this getting asked every time I reboot?
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I assume you've already clicked 'yes'? I don't have this pop up each time I reboot..

I have it too. Maybe a software bug .

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I have it too. Maybe a software bug .
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The prompt only appeared once I encrypted my SD card.

I hit no. I don't want then saved on sd card. But if that's the only way to stop the message then I guess I'll nave to.

frigidazzi said:
I hit no. I don't want then saved on sd card. But if that's the only way to stop the message then I guess I'll nave to.
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Why would you not want them saved on your SD card?

Dennisg34 said:
Why would you not want them saved on your SD card?
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That's not the point. But the internal memory is faster for pictures and videos.

I have this issue on my G3 also after the 5.0 update
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Edited photos cannot be saved to SD card
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Why would you not want them saved on your SD card?
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If the camera saves its photos to the SD card, then I edit the photo in the Gallery app, the app cannot save the edited photo back to the SD card.
If the camera saves its photo to internal storage, I can edit the photo and save it to internal storage. Then move the images to the SD card.
Yeah, that's a little cumbersome.
Mine is a stock, unrooted LG-H810.
And I see this has been a problem since KitKat.

Messinger said:
If the camera saves its photos to the SD card, then I edit the photo in the Gallery app, the app cannot save the edited photo back to the SD card.
If the camera saves its photo to internal storage, I can edit the photo and save it to internal storage. Then move the images to the SD card.
Yeah, that's a little cumbersome.
Mine is a stock, unrooted LG-H810.
And I see this has been a problem since KitKat.
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That's weird, but if you edit a phote that was saved on the sdcard can you still save it to the phone instead of saving to the memory when you have the photo saved on you sd card?

Dennisg34 said:
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I never save them to the external SD card. It's much more difficult to gets apps to play nicely with the external storage, both editing and deleting, plus it's much more likely for the SD card to become corrupt than the internal storage.

Non-booting phone: photos on external sd are safe.
Dropped broken phone: photos on external sd are safe.
:good:

Pfeffernuss said:
Non-booting phone: photos on external sd are safe.
Dropped broken phone: photos on external sd are safe.
:good:
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Google photos! Bam .
Anyways like others have mentioned for various reasons I would prefer to save to internal.

frigidazzi said:
Google photos! Bam .
Anyways like others have mentioned for various reasons I would prefer to save to internal.
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Middle of nowhere. Taking 212 incredible shots.
Walking back. Phone drops. Broken. 212 incredible shots down the drain.
Nothing yet uploaded to Google Photos. Bam! All gone.

Never happened in my last 9 phones. I'll take my chances . It was a joke. Of course the sd card would still have the pictures on it IF it survived the drop or damage too.

Just happened to me for the first time since I got the phone two weeks ago. Only difference was that the phone was switched off because I accidentally discharged the battery completely last night. I usually just leave it on the charger overnight and don't switch it off or reboot.
I have set it to use the external card in the camera app settings.

So, if I understand the direction this thread has taken, the camera should be allowed to save photos to internal storage.
And even though the problem was noted years ago, there's still no way for LG's Gallery app to edit a photo from the SD card and save the edited image back to the SD card.
And whenever I take a photo I should immediately use a file manager to copy the photo from internal storage to the SD card. Just in case.
Yikes.