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HI i have question
can you connect 2 Lithium battery's in parallel doubling the capacity (amp hours) of the battery while maintaining the voltage i was thinking grabbing 2x Touch pro 2 OEM 2150mAh putting them together making a 4300 mAh battery and using an extended battery cover to hide the fat .
I know each battery has a chip protecting it from overcharging
is it possible with Lithium battery's and safe ?
As long as they're both the same voltage and same capacity, I don't see how it could be a problem. However, since the charging circuit is not designed to do that, i don't know what will happen if one of the two batteries gets messed up.
It may not be that simple. Someone started a thread about this not too long ago. Check here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1074926
I'll tell you the same thing I told the OP of that thread:
Wouldn't it be easier to order an extended battery with the battery cover from eBay for like $7.50 delivered? I wouldn't risk breaking a $500 phone when the fix you are looking for is so cheap and easily available.
Hey guys I just saw a 3500mAh battery for SGS2 on ebay. Is it safe to use such battery? I mean it won't harm the phone, will it? :O
Probably won't harm the phone, no.
I bought a 3500mAh obscurely branded Chinese battery in mid-December. Tried it out for almost two weeks, a bunch of charge/discharge cycles & estimated its real capacity was around 1900mAh. It also used to heat up a lot on recharge (mid-high 40's Celsius, which isn't normal when the phone isn't being used whilst charging).
I took it back, got a refund & bought an original Samsung 2000mAh battery. Hasn't missed a beat, is obviously close to its advertised capacity given I get around 20% more use out of a charge than I do with a 1600mAh battery.
Obviously your mileage may vary if you buy one of these (you might have a better experience than I did), just thought I'd let you know about my experience.
MistahBungle said:
Probably won't harm the phone, no.
I bought a 3500mAh obscurely branded Chinese battery in mid-December. Tried it out for almost two weeks, a bunch of charge/discharge cycles & estimated its real capacity was around 1900mAh. It also used to heat up a lot on recharge (mid-high 40's Celsius, which isn't normal when the phone isn't being used whilst charging).
I took it back, got a refund & bought an original Samsung 2000mAh battery. Hasn't missed a beat, is obviously close to its advertised capacity given I get around 20% more use out of a charge than I do with a 1600mAh battery.
Obviously your mileage may vary if you buy one of these (you might have a better experience than I did), just thought I'd let you know about my experience.
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Thank you very much!
chinmayanaokar said:
Hey guys I just saw a 3500mAh battery for SGS2 on ebay. Is it safe to use such battery? I mean it won't harm the phone, will it? :O
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Well i heard that their batteries exploded in their phones......so be careful.....better pay for a better one instead of having a chance to ruin your expensive phone.
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I have one of those I got from DealExtreme and it is great. It lasts 2x longer than the original Samsung battery.
I take care not to swap them often, because I am afraid that this action might damage the original cover, eventually breaking it.
Battery Life
I am still using the 1650 mAh battery (stock) for my S2.
I am really facing some battery issues. Its charging almost all day !
Yes I am using 3G all day and WiFi HotSpot too. But use wifi at home. Thats when I get good battery life. Any better way to conserve some battery ?
Any tips might help
Thanks
Got mine a few days ago from eBay and its been fine so far. It last more than 2x the regular battery. Phone does not heat up or anything strange..
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well i an getting with the original battery 24H of usage.
with the 3500mah i am getting 60H of usage... so my 3500 is truly 3500mah!
the language is hebrew.
i use congnition rom 1.51 and siyah kernel.
So, where can I see a trustful review on batteries for SGS2? What is the most extended one?
It's really frustrating that my current stock battery is only enough for 2 hd video view (4-5 hours).
Also, the higher the mAh value the more battery lifetime is, right?
I would really want to buy 3500 mAh, but it costs so little.
And the official Samsung variant that offers the longest lifetime of a battery for SGS2 is this one, maybe Mugen 3500 mAh is the best choice out there?
chenrp said:
well i an getting with the original battery 24H of usage.
with the 3500mah i am getting 60H of usage... so my 3500 is truly 3500mah!
the language is hebrew.
i use congnition rom 1.51 and siyah kernel.
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What is the model name of the battery? Is it being overheated in comparison to stock one?
why should it overheat?
it is lithium ... same same
Yes, it's special lithium from China extracted under full moon and blessed by a thousand virgins
Really now, if it was possible to manufacture a battery having more than double the capacity of the stock battery while taking up the same volume, don't you think the megacorporate Samsung would buy that technology immediately in order to use it themselves ? "Too cheap to be true" is valid even here; most knock-off batteries either are fake ("9999 mAH SUPER EXTRA" sticker over the original rating), or will degrade quickly in time leaving you with a dud.
Since there are already fake electronic components...
... why not fake and cheap batteries too, certainly seems to be a high demand for them.
a. it is not the same volume! in is twice as much as the original.
b. the i9100 has a circuit that allows a slow stable charge rate so i dont think it will damage the battery.
As well as being made of inferior materials, not being subjected to the same QC, not having the fuel gauge chip present in original Samsung batteries, you pretty much get what you pay for.
My advice would be to avoid non-original batteries altogether, and given a 2000mAh original battery will cost around the same as one of these 3000mAh+ batteries with all their problems & poor life, it's a no brainer.
Stick with Samsung batteries.
fuel gauge chip?
i would like to see that chip in an any cellphone battery please.
If you're not aware of/don't know about the fuel gauge chip in original SGS2 batteries, you've probably been living under a rock since the phone was released
chenrp said:
fuel gauge chip?
i would like to see that chip in an any cellphone battery please.
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If you're not aware of/don't know about the fuel gauge chip in original SGS2 batteries, you've probably been living under a rock since the phone was released
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well i think that you misunderstood the meaning fuel gauge.
there is no chip in the battery that is in charge of the fuel gauge.
furthermore there is no use of recalibrating the battery in out i9100 model.
all you gave me is a link you Google...
please... show me that chip! i would like to learn something new about lithium batteries..
Plz can you Possible link topic of the battery
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chenrp said:
why should it overheat?
it is lithium ... same same
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What about the other question that you chose to ignore, regarding the battery's model that you mentioned.
thanks for the info guys,
cuz I need a battery really disparately cuz I use so much data and sync :'(
I couldn't find something really reliable feedback from viewers, and i'm trying to find something with good quality as well!
guess i have to search further!
VAXXi said:
Yes, it's special lithium from China extracted under full moon and blessed by a thousand virgins
Really now, if it was possible to manufacture a battery having more than double the capacity of the stock battery while taking up the same volume, don't you think the megacorporate Samsung would buy that technology immediately in order to use it themselves ? "Too cheap to be true" is valid even here; most knock-off batteries either are fake ("9999 mAH SUPER EXTRA" sticker over the original rating), or will degrade quickly in time leaving you with a dud.
Since there are already fake electronic components...
... why not fake and cheap batteries too, certainly seems to be a high demand for them.
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You have a point mate! Thanks
Hi,
I am looked several hours for a response to my question, but have not found any answers. I have recently bought a Samsung Galaxy S3 and I am looking for a higher capacity battery, but one that is the same size as the original. I am not looking for the extended batteries that have new backs that come with the sale. The battery should be able to slide right into the phone and attach the original cover. I am perfectly alright with spending a decent amount of money for the improved battery.
Thanks.
Unless someone can prove me wrong, I think all of those listings with higher mah are bs. You're best with just buying a few OEM Samsung batteries. You can also buy the external charger(+phone dock) from Samsung, or a 3rd party one from ebay (charging on ebay one is extremely slow)
i am testing the hyperion battery 4000mah right now, final verdict will be on saturday. doing the charging as per instruction.
Yeah bigger battery but fits under the same back is a myth. Mugen claims to have a 2300 but I am not sure if it is for real.
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jev3gs said:
Yeah bigger battery but fits under the same back is a myth. Mugen claims to have a 2300 but I am not sure if it is for real.
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they have quality battery in the past. i own 2-3 of their battery and you get what you pay for.
yea the only way would be able to is if they make some modified Chemical for their Cells.
Or (more likely) they just dont follow the same expansion tolerances that OEM manufactures do so they can cram fatter Cells with slightly higher capacity into the same opening in the phone back.
I wouldn't just dimiss the Mugen battery, they're the only one so far that has 3.8v spec on their batt, which from little research is different chem from 3.7v.
And if the phone is regulating the charge, then charging these 3rd party 3.7v batteries with our built in charger will kill these batteries in a hurry.
without NFC and less regulated (less safer) packaging i can see extra 200mAh possible. but not worth $45 IMO>
devilchrist said:
And if the phone is regulating the charge, then charging these 3rd party 3.7v batteries with our built in charger will kill these batteries in a hurry.
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Are there any differences between how the phone charge and how these 3rd party devices charge? Won't they all stop when the batteries reach 4.2v? The HTC rezound comes with either a 3.7v or 3.8v battery and I've not seen any indication that swapping batteries is a problem.
Hey guys! So i posted smth abt Bloated Battery and u guys told me to change it. Surfing the net when i came across this online shop that sells 2480mAh Battery for the Galaxy W (and others) and i wonder whether its real cos' i dont think such small slim battery can that much mAh rite? But also, its made in Japan NOT China so i expect to see "quality" here
check the one in my signature, it's exactly the same
i cannot compare it with stock one because stock one behaves badly after some overheats and experiments
everything is chinese but mine imho is quite nice, got 340 antutu battery score with it
the screenshot in sig is also made using it
dimaka1256 said:
check the one in my signature, it's exactly the same
i cannot compare it with stock one because stock one behaves badly after some overheats and experiments
everything is chinese but mine imho is quite nice, got 340 antutu battery score with it
the screenshot in sig is also made using it
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So it means, the mAh on the "Gold" one is exactly the same (1500) but behaves somewhat more better than stock?
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don't have any equipment to exactly measure the mAh, possibly it's about stock one
feels nice to replace damaged stock one but seems not to be a variant for super upgrade
haven't you seen anyone post antutu battery score here to compare?
or any method to measure the stats?
PS overall i'm satisfied, it's worth it's 7$
TiTAN-O-One said:
Hey guys! So i posted smth abt Bloated Battery and u guys told me to change it. Surfing the net when i came across this online shop that sells 2480mAh Battery for the Galaxy W (and others) and i wonder whether its real cos' i dont think such small slim battery can that much mAh rite? But also, its made in Japan NOT China so i expect to see "quality" here
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This is the ultracheap golden one I was talking about in the other threat where you asked about freezing your bloated battery.. Having here 2. Each for 5 Euro.
So well. This batteries never ever do have this capacity. Somwhere around stock capacity or a bit less. They do not last that long like a Samsungs battery, so you will have to reacharge it a bit more often than a new Samsung battery. It´s even a bit thinner than a regular 1500mA battery.
However there is one advantage in using it. It´s a LI-Polymer battery. Not a Li-Ion battery. So it doesn´t use an fluid but a polymer and therefore the risks to get it bloated are much less than with a LI-Ion battery. I ran them also really hot and they didn´t get bloated so far.
When this battery would have about the same thickness like the Stock Samsung battery it really would offer more capacity but thus it´s thinner it has just about the same or a bit less and the 2480mAh are just fake.
So well you can use it as an replacement. Just don´t expect it to last longer than a stock battery.
honeyx said:
This is the ultracheap golden one I was talking about in the other threat where you asked about freezing your bloated battery.. Having here 2. Each for 5 Euro.
So well. This batteries never ever do have this capacity. Somwhere around stock capacity or a bit less. They do not last that long like a Samsungs battery, so you will have to reacharge it a bit more often than a new Samsung battery. It´s even a bit thinner than a regular 1500mA battery.
However there is one advantage in using it. It´s a LI-Polymer battery. Not a Li-Ion battery. So it doesn´t use an fluid but a polymer and therefore the risks to get it bloated are much less than with a LI-Ion battery. I ran them also really hot and they didn´t get bloated so far.
When this battery would have about the same thickness like the Stock Samsung battery it really would offer more capacity but thus it´s thinner it has just about the same or a bit less and the 2480mAh are just fake.
So well you can use it as an replacement. Just don´t expect it to last longer than a stock battery.
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Wait, Li-Polymer? I went researching and they said tht its the most dangerous battery in the world. They say tht its more likely to explode if u overcharge. I don't exactly know whether it true or not but u shld try search on YT abt it...
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TiTAN-O-One said:
Wait, Li-Polymer? I went researching and they said tht its the most dangerous battery in the world. They say tht its more likely to explode if u overcharge. I don't exactly know whether it true or not but u shld try search on YT abt it...
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That´s nonsense. The polymer is a static foil which can´t boil and create gases like the fluid in LI-Ion batteries. Well you can make everything explode. Even a banana by sending a flash with thousands Ampere through it.
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That´s nonsense. The polymer is a static foil which can´t boil and create gases like the fluid in LI-Ion batteries. Well you can make everything explode. Even a banana by sending a flash with thousands Ampere through it.
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Hhahaa so in other words, Li-Po is less likely to get damages?
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TiTAN-O-One said:
Hhahaa so in other words, Li-Po is less likely to get damages?
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Exactly. It´s an improved Li-Ion. Way easier to manufacture, less risky and even can offer higher capacity density.
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Exactly. It´s an improved Li-Ion. Way easier to manufacture, less risky and even can offer higher capacity density.
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why did cellphone manufacturers insist of using more expensive li-ion?
as u say it is better n safer, but li-polymer battery has lesser energy output than li-ion battery.
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That´s nonsense. The polymer is a static foil which can´t boil and create gases like the fluid in LI-Ion batteries. Well you can make everything explode. Even a banana by sending a flash with thousands Ampere through it.
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LOOOOLLLLZ! i like that exploding banana thing!
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why did cellphone manufacturers insist of using more expensive li-ion?
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Many cellphone manucafturers already switched to Li-Polymer battries but those who don´t are still having legit contracts with LI-Ion battery manufacturers which they are forced to fullfill. This has nothing to with reality but with making bussiness and telling the customers what they want them to belife.
saintsoh said:
as u say it is better n safer, but li-polymer battery has lesser energy output than li-ion battery.
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Sorry but there you are wrong.
The difference between them lies in the material used as the separator. Rather than an inert substance with holes covered in electrolyte, the separator is made of a micro-porous polymer covered in an electrolytic gel that also serves as a catalyst that reduces the energy barrier in the chemical reaction between cathode and anode. Therefore, Li-Polymer batteries allow for a slight increase in energy density.
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Sources:
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/15775_How_do_Lithium_batteries_work.php
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/lithium_based_batteries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_polymer_battery
google search li-polymer vs li-ion battery, comes up with many links. such as;
http://www.androidauthority.com/lithium-ion-vs-lithium-polymer-whats-the-difference-27608/
http://www.buchmann.ca/article6-page1.asp
Risks and limitations on li-polymer battery:
1) Overcharging a Li-poly battery can cause an explosion or fire.
2) During discharge on load, the load has to be removed as soon as the voltage drops below approximately 3.0 V per cell (used in a series combination), or else the battery will subsequently no longer accept a full charge and may experience problems holding voltage under load. Li-poly batteries can be protected by circuitry that prevents over-charge and deep-discharge.
3) Compared to the lithium-ion battery, Li-poly is less advantageous in terms of life cycle degradation rate.
4) Lithium polymer-specific chargers are required in order to avoid fire and explosion.
5) Explosions can also occur if the battery is short-circuited, as tremendous current passes through the cell in an instant. Radio-control enthusiasts take special precautions to ensure their battery leads are properly connected and insulated. Furthermore fires can occur if the cell or pack is punctured.
6) While charging the lithium polymer batteries, the individual cells in the pack should be charged evenly. For this purpose, the cells are to be charged with special chargers. This entails special care while charging the batteries in addition to incurring expenses on procuring the chargers specific to lithium polymer batteries.
saintsoh said:
google search li-polymer vs li-ion battery, comes up with many links. such as;
http://www.androidauthority.com/lithium-ion-vs-lithium-polymer-whats-the-difference-27608/
http://www.buchmann.ca/article6-page1.asp
Risks and limitations on li-polymer battery:
1) Overcharging a Li-poly battery can cause an explosion or fire.
2) During discharge on load, the load has to be removed as soon as the voltage drops below approximately 3.0 V per cell (used in a series combination), or else the battery will subsequently no longer accept a full charge and may experience problems holding voltage under load. Li-poly batteries can be protected by circuitry that prevents over-charge and deep-discharge.
3) Compared to the lithium-ion battery, Li-poly is less advantageous in terms of life cycle degradation rate.
4) Lithium polymer-specific chargers are required in order to avoid fire and explosion.
5) Explosions can also occur if the battery is short-circuited, as tremendous current passes through the cell in an instant. Radio-control enthusiasts take special precautions to ensure their battery leads are properly connected and insulated. Furthermore fires can occur if the cell or pack is punctured.
6) While charging the lithium polymer batteries, the individual cells in the pack should be charged evenly. For this purpose, the cells are to be charged with special chargers. This entails special care while charging the batteries in addition to incurring expenses on procuring the chargers specific to lithium polymer batteries.
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Thankyou for the information i did know that.
did u know the batteries use by apple iphone, ipad, itablet and ipod?
they all use li-polymer battery and non-removable, need apple authorized centers to replace battery.
saintsoh said:
google search li-polymer vs li-ion battery, comes up with many links. such as;
http://www.androidauthority.com/lithium-ion-vs-lithium-polymer-whats-the-difference-27608/
http://www.buchmann.ca/article6-page1.asp
Risks and limitations on li-polymer battery:
1) Overcharging a Li-poly battery can cause an explosion or fire.
2) During discharge on load, the load has to be removed as soon as the voltage drops below approximately 3.0 V per cell (used in a series combination), or else the battery will subsequently no longer accept a full charge and may experience problems holding voltage under load. Li-poly batteries can be protected by circuitry that prevents over-charge and deep-discharge.
3) Compared to the lithium-ion battery, Li-poly is less advantageous in terms of life cycle degradation rate.
4) Lithium polymer-specific chargers are required in order to avoid fire and explosion.
5) Explosions can also occur if the battery is short-circuited, as tremendous current passes through the cell in an instant. Radio-control enthusiasts take special precautions to ensure their battery leads are properly connected and insulated. Furthermore fires can occur if the cell or pack is punctured.
6) While charging the lithium polymer batteries, the individual cells in the pack should be charged evenly. For this purpose, the cells are to be charged with special chargers. This entails special care while charging the batteries in addition to incurring expenses on procuring the chargers specific to lithium polymer batteries.
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The same thing i wondered. Search at YT and they said Li-Po is dangerous
Video Link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DcpANRFrI4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
TiTAN-O-One said:
Hey guys! So i posted smth abt Bloated Battery and u guys told me to change it. Surfing the net when i came across this online shop that sells 2480mAh Battery for the Galaxy W (and others) and i wonder whether its real cos' i dont think such small slim battery can that much mAh rite? But also, its made in Japan NOT China so i expect to see "quality" here
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lets return back to the main topic.
it is too cheap compare to oem battery, so dont expect goods specs be accordance to wat it advertised.
it cant be li-polymer battery, too expensive to manufacture.
2480mAh?? do a search buyers claim it to be below 1200mAh.
google search the 2900mAh battery, thickness is double, this is many claim to be the true deal.
china have many rejection parts from corporation companies, their sub-contractors to sub-sub contractors to sub-sub-sub small companies.
many will recycle to gain back some of their loss $$$ on rejections instead of dispose/destroy those parts.
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lets return back to the main topic.
it is too cheap compare to oem battery, so dont expect goods specs be accordance to wat it advertised.
it cant be li-polymer battery, too expensive to manufacture.
2480mAh?? do a search buyers claim it to be below 1200mAh.
google search the 2900mAh battery, thickness is double, this is many claim to be the true deal.
china have many rejection parts from corporation companies, their sub-contractors to sub-sub contractors to sub-sub-sub small companies.
many will recycle to gain back some of their loss $$$ on rejections instead of dispose/destroy those parts.
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Its okay really, we can somewhat "compare" with the OEM battery (but since mines bloated ) and "gold" one in an Antutu Benchmark test... Who knows?
Typing using a Mini 2 -.-"
TiTAN-O-One said:
Its okay really, we can somewhat "compare" with the OEM battery (but since mines bloated ) and "gold" one in an Antutu Benchmark test... Who knows?
Typing using a Mini 2 -.-"
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very easy
someone with stock battery performs the test and compares to my screenshot
anyone can?
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saintsoh said:
lets return back to the main topic.
it is too cheap compare to oem battery, so dont expect goods specs be accordance to wat it advertised.
it cant be li-polymer battery, too expensive to manufacture.
2480mAh?? do a search buyers claim it to be below 1200mAh.
google search the 2900mAh battery, thickness is double, this is many claim to be the true deal.
china have many rejection parts from corporation companies, their sub-contractors to sub-sub contractors to sub-sub-sub small companies.
many will recycle to gain back some of their loss $$$ on rejections instead of dispose/destroy those parts.
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Oh wehhh. All the disadvanteges you are listing up in your previous post are also related to LI-Ion and every other battery.
Like I already said. Overcharging a banana with a flash will make it also explode. A flash hitting your head will also overcharge you. It can make your eyes explode and will boil your blood imediatelly. Why do you think they are bounding the eyes for people who are getting killed on electrical chairs? Because their eyes are exploding when the current is streaming through their body.
The same to short circuit a battery. Even a silly carbon battery will explode under this circumstates. That´s also why most batteries used for phones are having a short circuit protection. Even the old NiCd batteries which were used in the stone old cellphones.
About droping below 3V. This is legit for both. LI-Polymer and LI-Ion. Not only to LI-Polymer.
LI-Polymer batteries are charged the same way like LI-Ion batteries. The source telling it needs an special charger is a guy who is just sharing his opinion without referring to fundamental sources.
The other source is from 2001 and rather outdated when it comes to density but even there the guy says it´s less dangerous to catch fire.
To sum this up it seems like you just are collecting contrary claims like the guy in your first source without being objective just to make this type of battery to appear worse compared to the older LI-Ion batteries. But not telling the full truth to make it appear like LI-Polymer can explode when overcharged but LI-Ion can not. And this is for me bending the truth.
And to be exact. Not Li-Ion battieries began in 1912 but simple non rechargable Lithium batteries like the one used in watches. Rechargable LI-Ion batteries began in the 70´s and Li-Polymer is the further developement of LI-Ion batteries where newer manufacturing processes and developement make it even safer and having a higher density.
So last but not least. It IS a LI-Polymer battery. It has no hard case like Li-Ion batteries require to have to hold the fluid in it. You can bend this battery forth and back like all li-Polymer batteries. On the back side it even says it´s a Li-Polymer battery, but the missing hard case and the bending test are enough evidence for being one.
AND it has been said already many times it´s never ever 2400mAh but somwhere around stock capacity. The is just fake to get better sales.
However for this money there is nothing wrong in buying it as an replacement.
If so how did it go?
sutty86 said:
If so how did it go?
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haven't done that (yet), but it was good to see that here in Singapore there is a Huawei service center that offers original battery replacement for a reasonable price.
we recently did a battery replacement for my gf's Moto G5 Plus, but so far looks like the (non-original) replacement isn't up to par...
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There are starred reviews on aliexpress that reflect customer experiences with battery replacement. From what I've read these customers are well content with the renewed battery strength. You might want to take a look.
No absolutely not needed.. Why when the phone will last the longest of all smartphones?
Aorus Mini-ITX RiG said:
No absolutely not needed.. Why when the phone will last the longest of all smartphones?
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depends how long and how hard uve been using it i guess. im currently down to roughly 4500 mAh, thus 90% of the original 5000 mAh capacity. still super happy with the SOT im getting though
Aorus Mini-ITX RiG said:
No absolutely not needed.. Why when the phone will last the longest of all smartphones?
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That's far from accurate. There are phones with 6000 even 18,000 mah capacities. For example the Samsung Galaxy M31 has 6000 mah.
Mah numbers stated on batteries are just that, numbers. There are phones with even lower battery capacities that outlast higher battery capacity phones by several hours including the 20x as yt video showdowns between different phones demonstrate. No doubt, although a higher mah indicates greater battery life generally, relatively speaking, battery life overall depends more on what's determined by the interaction among software, voltage and hardware than what's stated on the battery.
It's not just a drop in mAh's that warrant replacement. If there's any detected battery swelling the battery needs replaced asap.
The risk of a thermal runaway event increases dramatically with a damaged (swollen) Li battery.
This can happen even with a new battery.
The swelling can possibly damage the phone as well, without going supernova, by putting pressure on surrounding components... like the display.
jbmc83 said:
depends how long and how hard uve been using it i guess. im currently down to roughly 4500 mAh, thus 90% of the original 5000 mAh capacity. still super happy with the SOT im getting though
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Your dropped battery capacity isn't surprising but natural during the course of its use. My own battery has a capacity of just shy of 4700, somewhere in the neighborhood of 4630 last time I checked.
As you stated, your battery was at one point at a full 5000 mah and lost 10% of its capacity to what's presently 4500. But just so you know, your battery is not precisely filled to 5000 mah right out the factory. In reality its always less than whats stated; the reason being is that batteries differ in capacity during manufacturing mostly to cut costs. Battery manufacturers round the numbers to the nearest hundredth or thousandth to read batteries easier. Hope this helps.
blackhawk said:
It's not just a drop in mAh's that warrant replacement. If there's any detected battery swelling the battery needs replaced asap.
The risk of a thermal runaway event increases dramatically with a damaged (swollen) Li battery.
This can happen even with a new battery.
The swelling can possibly damage the phone as well, without going supernova, by putting pressure on surrounding components... like the display.
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Correct. This is why within the battery, cells are damaged which skip proper readings by the amount equal to the amount of juice generated by the lost, damaged cell.
Deanro said:
Correct. This is why within the battery, cells are damaged which skip proper readings by the amount equal to the amount of juice generated by the lost, damaged cell.
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This is what a typical Li polymer battery used in cell phones looks like.
There's no hard case to contain it so any internal pressure immediately becomes an issue.
Swelling in the cell it's self will distort the structure of the cell and alter it permanently.
A sealed plastic bag surrounds it to hold any vented gases or goo.
It's just one cell and it's rolled construction is similar to a capacitor.
It's alarmingly flimsy... and packed with energy.
Deanro said:
That's far from accurate. There are phones with 6000 even 18,000 mah capacities. For example the Samsung Galaxy M31 has 6000 mah.
Mah numbers stated on batteries are just that, numbers. There are phones with even lower battery capacities that outlast higher battery capacity phones by several hours including the 20x as yt video showdowns between different phones demonstrate. No doubt, although a higher mah indicates greater battery life generally, relatively speaking, battery life overall depends more on what's determined by the interaction among software, voltage and hardware than what's stated on the battery.
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Sorry man you not right
No there is no any smartphone with 6000mAh Batteey you too naive to believe lies and fake statements from china That is complete crap what you saying that lower capacity batt will outperform battery with larger capacity.. Where do you live boy?
I will explain you about the batteries ok?
As I know about batteries. Li-ion batteries has best density
Speaking of cell density batteries there would have to be new design and new technology.
For more battery cells you obviously need larger battery ! THAT'S WHY Mate 20 X / Honor Note 10 battery is the largest from all.
Battery Size
Although higher-capacity batteries generally last longer than lower-capacity ones, they are not always suitable for use in every device. To achieve a higher capacity, battery makers often have to fit more cells into each battery. Cells are the parts of a battery in which the chemical reaction needed to generate electricity happens. Increasing a battery's cell count can in turn increase both the size and weight of the battery, making it unsuitable for use in slimline devices such as smaller cell phones and netbooks. The temperature and speed of electrical current discharge affects the overall capacity of the battery. Poorly made batteries often heat up too quickly resulting in performance issues or degraded capacity.
To calculate a battery's life, divide the capacity of the battery by the current required by the object it powers. For example, imagine that you have two batteries for your cell phone, one with a capacity of 1000 mAh and one with a capacity of 2000 mAh, and that your phone requires a current of 200 mA to function. The first battery would power the phone for five hours, as 1000 divided by 200 equals five. But the second battery would power the phone for ten hours, as it has double the capacity of the first. While a larger number indicates battery power, larger mAh batteries may not be better if it is a poor quality battery. It simply means it can store more power.
Cell phone battery life is heavily dependent on the way in which you use the phone. The more features you run at the same time on your phone, the more current your phone requires and the quicker the battery's capacity drains. This is why using WiFi or running complex games on your phone drains the battery quickly. As such, a battery with a high capacity that is used to power a smartphone might last for less time than a low-capacity battery that powers a basic device.
blackhawk said:
It's not just a drop in mAh's that warrant replacement. If there's any detected battery swelling the battery needs replaced asap.
The risk of a thermal runaway event increases dramatically with a damaged (swollen) Li battery.
This can happen even with a new battery.
The swelling can possibly damage the phone as well, without going supernova, by putting pressure on surrounding components... like the display.
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The battery will most likely get swollen becuse stupid ppl will take their phones into shower where is humid and steam and it will obviously get inside phone remember 20X isn't ip68 and even ip68 phones can suffer if the phone is in humidity environment...
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If the phone is in freezing cold place so the frost will pass through no matter how proof device is and then when you take it to warm environment straight away inside phone and battery the freeze will turn into water and short and create battery to swollen becuse of the reaction ...
jbmc83 said:
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epends how long and how hard uve been using it i guess. im currently down to roughly 4500 mAh, thus 90% of the original 5000 mAh capacity. still super happy with the SOT im getting though
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Since summer 2019
Aorus Mini-ITX RiG said:
The battery will most likely get swollen becuse stupid ppl will take their phones into shower where is humid and steam and it will obviously get inside phone remember 20X isn't ip68 and even ip68 phones can suffer if the phone is in humidity environment...
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If the phone is in freezing cold place so the frost will pass through no matter how proof device is and then when you take it to warm environment straight away inside phone and battery the freeze will turn into water and short and create battery to swollen becuse of the reaction ...
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You're right about the waterproofing, don't test it.
It might work...
In my case it wasn't abused and I was lucky it didn't take out my Note 10+'s display.
Heat and/or rapid discharging can cause it.
Or a bad copy from the factory.
Or simply accumulative damage over time and insults. I live in the desert so heat is omnipresent. I try to keep it cool especially when charging.
My phone has never been cold charged or even close to damp. Cold charging (>40°F) can trigger a run away thermal event or cause permanent damage.
Charging in temperatures under 72°F can cause Li plating which permanently degrades the cell.
blackhawk said:
You're right about the waterproofing, don't test it.
It might work...
In my case it wasn't abused and I was lucky it didn't take out my Note 10+'s display.
Heat and/or rapid discharging can cause it.
Or a bad copy from the factory.
Or simply accumulative damage over time and insults. I live in the desert so heat is omnipresent. I try to keep it cool especially when charging.
My phone has never been cold charged or even close to damp. Cold charging (>40°F) can trigger a run away thermal event or cause permanent damage.
Charging in temperatures under 72°F can cause Li plating which permanently degrades the cell.
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Well Xiaomi preparing something huge about smartphone battery so I am interested what it is gonna be...
Xiaomi to introduce revolutionary battery for Mi 11 Ultra and all-new in-house chip on March 29
The power cell will be silicon-oxygen, while the chip is likely an ISP for the liquid lens. Xiaomi is going big with its March 29 event. The company will...
www.gsmarena.com
Aorus Mini-ITX RiG said:
Well Xiaomi preparing something huge about smartphone battery so I am interested what it is gonna be...
Xiaomi to introduce revolutionary battery for Mi 11 Ultra and all-new in-house chip on March 29
The power cell will be silicon-oxygen, while the chip is likely an ISP for the liquid lens. Xiaomi is going big with its March 29 event. The company will...
www.gsmarena.com
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It's likely to be surging with something
Aorus Mini-ITX RiG said:
Sorry man you not right
No there is no any smartphone with 6000mAh Batteey you too naive to believe lies and fake statements from china That is complete crap what you saying that lower capacity batt will outperform battery with larger capacity.. Where do you live boy?
I will explain you about the batteries ok?
As I know about batteries. Li-ion batteries has best density
Speaking of cell density batteries there would have to be new design and new technology.
For more battery cells you obviously need larger battery ! THAT'S WHY Mate 20 X / Honor Note 10 battery is the largest from all.
Battery Size
Although higher-capacity batteries generally last longer than lower-capacity ones, they are not always suitable for use in every device. To achieve a higher capacity, battery makers often have to fit more cells into each battery. Cells are the parts of a battery in which the chemical reaction needed to generate electricity happens. Increasing a battery's cell count can in turn increase both the size and weight of the battery, making it unsuitable for use in slimline devices such as smaller cell phones and netbooks. The temperature and speed of electrical current discharge affects the overall capacity of the battery. Poorly made batteries often heat up too quickly resulting in performance issues or degraded capacity.
To calculate a battery's life, divide the capacity of the battery by the current required by the object it powers. For example, imagine that you have two batteries for your cell phone, one with a capacity of 1000 mAh and one with a capacity of 2000 mAh, and that your phone requires a current of 200 mA to function. The first battery would power the phone for five hours, as 1000 divided by 200 equals five. But the second battery would power the phone for ten hours, as it has double the capacity of the first. While a larger number indicates battery power, larger mAh batteries may not be better if it is a poor quality battery. It simply means it can store more power.
Cell phone battery life is heavily dependent on the way in which you use the phone. The more features you run at the same time on your phone, the more current your phone requires and the quicker the battery's capacity drains. This is why using WiFi or running complex games on your phone drains the battery quickly. As such, a battery with a high capacity that is used to power a smartphone might last for less time than a low-capacity battery that powers a basic device.
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Youre not bright when it comes to the subject of battery and 1000% wrong yet again. The Samsung Galaxy M31 is korean which you mistakingly think is chinese and has a 6000 mah battery which I'm sure youre too afraid to verify in google. The Helio P70 has a 18000 mah battery which of course you deny since you dont operate in our reality.
Longer capacity batteries dont guarantee a longer lasting life than lower capacity ones. Case in point, the iphone xr with 2940 mah equals the note 9 with 4000 mah as this yt video proves:
Youre trying hard to be relevant by trying to edge out people's comments with your nonsense. Being negative and insulting others violate forum rules which doesnt win you friends here. I reported you to the mods btw. Guys like you dont last long here. Be educated before you look foolish again.
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blackhawk said:
This is what a typical Li polymer battery used in cell phones looks like.
There's no hard case to contain it so any internal pressure immediately becomes an issue.
Swelling in the cell it's self will distort the structure of the cell and alter it permanently.
A sealed plastic bag surrounds it to hold any vented gases or goo.
It's just one cell and it's rolled construction is similar to a capacitor.
It's alarmingly flimsy... and packed with energy.
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Very cool. I once actually saw the insides of a battery that exploded which was not a good look. The owner stopped buying that brand as a result. LMAO
Deanro said:
Very cool. I once actually saw the insides of a battery that exploded which was not a good look. The owner stopped buying that brand as a result. LMAO
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As you see they are somewhat fragile. I inadvertently ripped right into the active layer before I knew it after I removed the outer bag
Crazy. A fruity smelling solvent was also present. I wiped down my hands even though I sensed nothing; caustic burns are the worst.
It's a good idea to have little charge on these when >gently< removing them.
I'm not as comfortable with these packs as I was before, ignorance is bliss... until it starts smoking.