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Battery issue

Dunno how to say it in English but physically my battery is getting bigger, and when on battery low, it gives me the notification and the phone just turns of on the same second.
The battery is starting to be like a balloon and and hardly fits in the phone, can anyone tell me what's happening?
btw, I'm using the stock ROM now.

Your battery is bloated. Congratulations. To fix this, there is only one solution. Change your battery.
Sent from my 4.1 running Galaxy W.

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iDelta said:
Your battery is bloated. Congratulations. To fix this, there is only one solution. Change your battery.
Sent from my 4.1 running Galaxy W.
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Thanks for the reply, but does anyone knows why did this happen? My device is 1 year old last week, it shouldn't happen that fast I guess.

Osoris said:
Thanks for the reply, but does anyone knows why did this happen? My device is 1 year old last week, it shouldn't happen that fast I guess.
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there are many reasons why your battery is bloated .......... one of charging too much time away from his proper time, time you charge the phone you are using (playing games) .....
sorry with my english

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hazikh said:
there are many reasons why your battery is bloated .......... one of charging too much time away from his proper time, time you charge the phone you are using (playing games) .....
sorry with my english
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I use it a lot while charging specially for games, and lots if times I had to charge it while it's still have more than 40%. OK lesson learned and the new battery will be treated differently. Thanks.

Osoris said:
I use it a lot while charging specially for games, and lots if times I had to charge it while it's still have more than 40%. OK lesson learned and the new battery will be treated differently. Thanks.
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Hi, found this on eHow and as automobile electrician dealing sometimes also with batteries i cannot confirm that your battery was bloated just because of playing games an charge phone at same time. Li-Ion cells don't like to be fully discharged. When u charge them before they go out of power is the best you can do to preserve their capacity.
Don't use your phone with silicon case when gaming because it can prevent air ventilation in the phone and cause it to heat up more when placed under heavy load like when playing games.
And now what can contibute to a battery bloatup:
Battery Components
• Most cell phone batteries contain a lithium-ion mixture. Lithium is an alkaline metal, and its ion simply has more electrons than protons. The battery also contains a positive and negative electrode, and when you use the battery, the lithium ions move from one to the other, creating an electric charge. Under normal circumstances, the lithium ions can continue to absorb and dissipate energy. However, if you expose the battery to certain conditions, its chemistry can change, causing undesirable effects.
Water Damage
• Your cell phone battery is extremely sensitive to water. The plastic casing provides some protection; however, if you expose the metal electrodes to water, they can corrode and become ineffective. Water leaking into the batteries case can cause it to appear bloated. Discard such a battery immediately because the lithium solvent can be harmful if you come into contact with it. If the phone has been submerged in water, this is usually enough to cause water damage to the battery if there is not a tight seal between the battery and the phone.
Heat Damage
• The lithium solvent that carries the charge from electrode to electrode is extremely sensitive to heat. If you expose the phone to temperatures that considerably exceed 77 degrees Fahrenheit, the battery may lose its ability to hold a charge over time. This is considered normal. However, if you consistently expose it to higher temperatures, then you can cause the lithium-ion mixture to rupture the cell, which can cause the battery to appear bloated. Most lithium-ion batteries contain fail-safes that prevent them from operating in extreme temperatures, but there is no guarantee that these will work in every case.
Prevention
• Prevent damage of this sort from occurring by not exposing your phone to extreme temperatures and unsafe environments. For example, do not bring your mobile phone near pools or inside of saunas. On hot summer days, keep the phone and other electronics out of direct sunlight.

try doctor battery, its available at the store free,

bhun said:
Hi, found this on eHow and as automobile electrician dealing sometimes also with batteries i cannot confirm that your battery was bloated just because of playing games an charge phone at same time.
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But I can confirm this. I´m having actually here 4 batteries for the SGW and one of them is bloated due to heavy usage while charging the battery. This battery was my best battery but now it´s just a paperweight. It´s still working well though it´s bloated, but I´m not going to risk anything.
You can´t simply compare a car with its lead battery to this device, because in the car the battery is just needed to start the car. Once the engine is running the battery is not needed as the generator is producing enough electricity for the entire car and to charge the not needed battery.
You can even remove the lead battery completely and just connect the car to a powerfull enough source to get it started. Onec its running, you can remove the source too and it will continue to run.
With the SGW and its LI-Ion battery things are a bit different. You for example can´t simply plug in the charger and turn the device on without the battery. The battery is still neeeded to power on the device for two reasons. First is the charger might be not strong enough to offer enough power but the obvious one is, the circuit inside the phone reduces the charging current to a max. level and the voltage to be 4.2V max. It acts like a constant current and constant voltage source where the preset max limits can´t be exeeded. The real charging current and voltage are depending to the charging level and the battery resistance, but will never exeed the max limits in a proper working circuit.
Additionally this circuit is feeding the battery directly, so the current is floating first into the battery and then the battery is feeding the entire device. So at heavy usage the power offered by the circuit will be not enough to be simply passed to the device and so the battery will be stressed twice, as it´s charging and discharging at the same time.
This is still a simplyfied explanation to what is really going on, but explains a little bit why you can´t compare a car with it´s battery to this device.
Also, the batteries for the SGW do not offer it´s own protection circuit. The only circuit that protects the battery is build in into the phone.
So the best advice that can be given here is to avoid heavy usage while the battery is being charged. Better charge it first, use it then and recharge when not in use.
bhun said:
Lithium is an alkaline metal, and its ion simply has more electrons than protons.
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I´m not sure where you digged this out, but this is simply not the full truth. In neutral stage each element is having as much electrons as much protons it has. Ions are either having temporaly more or less electrons. They can be ionized positive or negative.
In a normal Li-Ion battery it´s the anode that consists of lithium and is having positive lithium ions, so less electrons than protons.
In a lead battery both, the anode and the cathode consist of lead. One is positive ionized and the other one negative.

honeyx said:
But I can confirm this. I´m having actually here 4 batteries for the SGW and one of them is bloated due to heavy usage while charging the battery. This battery was my best battery but now it´s just a paperweight. It´s still working well though it´s bloated, but I´m not going to risk anything.
You can´t simply compare a car with its lead battery to this device, because in the car the battery is just needed to start the car. Once the engine is running the battery is not needed as the generator is producing enough electricity for the entire car and to charge the not needed battery.
You can even remove the lead battery completely and just connect the car to a powerfull enough source to get it started. Onec its running, you can remove the source too and it will continue to run.
With the SGW and its LI-Ion battery things are a bit different. You for example can´t simply plug in the charger and turn the device on without the battery. The battery is still neeeded to power on the device for two reasons. First is the charger might be not strong enough to offer enough power but the obvious one is, the circuit inside the phone reduces the charging current to a max. level and the voltage to be 4.2V max. It acts like a constant current and constant voltage source where the preset max limits can´t be exeeded. The real charging current and voltage are depending to the charging level and the battery resistance, but will never exeed the max limits in a proper working circuit.
Additionally this circuit is feeding the battery directly, so the current is floating first into the battery and then the battery is feeding the entire device. So at heavy usage the power offered by the circuit will be not enough to be simply passed to the device and so the battery will be stressed twice, as it´s charging and discharging at the same time.
This is still a simplyfied explanation to what is really going on, but explains a little bit why you can´t compare a car with it´s battery to this device.
Also, the batteries for the SGW do not offer it´s own protection circuit. The only circuit that protects the battery is build in into the phone.
So the best advice that can be given here is to avoid heavy usage while the battery is being charged. Better charge it first, use it then and recharge when not in use.
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Sorry if it souded as i would compare a Li-Ion to a lead battery. I was actually not doing that. By that i meant that i understand somewhat of batteries. I've learned about batteries (how different types work) back in school. All Li-Ion based batteries have their own protecting circuit. It is not depending on the phone. This circuit built in every Li-Ion based battery prevents it from beeing overcharged, wich would result in the battery exploding. It also gives the phone a limited feedback on battery charge status, and perhaps somewhat potecting the battery to be fully drained wich would result in irreversible damage to the cells. I agree with you that it is better to charge when not using them, but in real life this is not easy to do when you (by what cause ever) want or have to use your device. I am not a gamer so i am not using my phone that way.
Since i am using my phone lots of times plugged on a charger, making phonecalls and doing other stuff like email, surfing the web, watching videos and so on, and never get close to that issue (battery is almost 2 years old) i still don't think that that would be the biggest problem.
On hot days is it not recommended to use our devices with heavy loads, ofcourse you could climb into the fridge (may not be a problem then), and it is also advised to avoid humidity. That's all i know for now, that it would contribute to a bloated battery.
Sorry if i unattendedly caused some confusion.

bhun said:
Sorry if it souded as i would compare a Li-Ion to a lead battery.
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No problem, I´m just trying to clarify this
but with this I have to disagree
bhun said:
All Li-Ion based batteries have their own protecting circuit. It is not depending on the phone. This circuit built in every Li-Ion based battery prevents it from beeing overcharged, wich would result in the battery exploding. It also gives the phone a limited feedback on battery charge status, and perhaps somewhat potecting the battery to be fully drained wich would result in irreversible damage to the cells
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Not all Li-Ion batteries have their own protection ciurcuit. Only the protected ones. Do a search on google about protected and not protected Li-Ion batteries.
In cellphones most batteries are not protected ones because of the circuit taking to much space and so incrasing the battery size a lot. Therefore the protection circuit gets moved into the phone but the battery itself is not protected at all. In most batteries the feedback you will only get is the temperature. It´s mostly a simple thermistor either being somwhere close to the battery or inside the battery. The rest is calculated by knowing the capacity and monitoring the voltage and current drain.
So the only circuit you will find in not protected batteries is the one for reading the thermistor, if there is one build in. But this circuit will not protect the battery against a short circuit.
Just to not confuse about this. There are of course protected batteries for cellphones as long the circuit can fit into the part where the connections are.
But the truth is this circuit can fail to disconnect the battery from a short circuit and there are even batteries with fake protection. So there is a pcb with a circuit, but this is just fake and doing nothing.
However regarding this discussion about bloated batteries it doesn´t matter the battery has a protection circuit or not. The protection circuit only disconnects the battery if a short circuit occurs or the battery voltage drops below 3V.

Buy a new battery.
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iDelta said:
Your battery is bloated. Congratulations. To fix this, there is only one solution. Change your battery.
Sent from my 4.1 running Galaxy W.
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That is the best answer for your problem, maybe to alot of overcharge :angel:

Samsung High Capacity Battery

Hey guys! So i posted smth abt Bloated Battery and u guys told me to change it. Surfing the net when i came across this online shop that sells 2480mAh Battery for the Galaxy W (and others) and i wonder whether its real cos' i dont think such small slim battery can that much mAh rite? But also, its made in Japan NOT China so i expect to see "quality" here

check the one in my signature, it's exactly the same
i cannot compare it with stock one because stock one behaves badly after some overheats and experiments
everything is chinese but mine imho is quite nice, got 340 antutu battery score with it
the screenshot in sig is also made using it

dimaka1256 said:
check the one in my signature, it's exactly the same
i cannot compare it with stock one because stock one behaves badly after some overheats and experiments
everything is chinese but mine imho is quite nice, got 340 antutu battery score with it
the screenshot in sig is also made using it
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So it means, the mAh on the "Gold" one is exactly the same (1500) but behaves somewhat more better than stock?
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don't have any equipment to exactly measure the mAh, possibly it's about stock one
feels nice to replace damaged stock one but seems not to be a variant for super upgrade
haven't you seen anyone post antutu battery score here to compare?
or any method to measure the stats?
PS overall i'm satisfied, it's worth it's 7$

TiTAN-O-One said:
Hey guys! So i posted smth abt Bloated Battery and u guys told me to change it. Surfing the net when i came across this online shop that sells 2480mAh Battery for the Galaxy W (and others) and i wonder whether its real cos' i dont think such small slim battery can that much mAh rite? But also, its made in Japan NOT China so i expect to see "quality" here
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This is the ultracheap golden one I was talking about in the other threat where you asked about freezing your bloated battery.. Having here 2. Each for 5 Euro.
So well. This batteries never ever do have this capacity. Somwhere around stock capacity or a bit less. They do not last that long like a Samsungs battery, so you will have to reacharge it a bit more often than a new Samsung battery. It´s even a bit thinner than a regular 1500mA battery.
However there is one advantage in using it. It´s a LI-Polymer battery. Not a Li-Ion battery. So it doesn´t use an fluid but a polymer and therefore the risks to get it bloated are much less than with a LI-Ion battery. I ran them also really hot and they didn´t get bloated so far.
When this battery would have about the same thickness like the Stock Samsung battery it really would offer more capacity but thus it´s thinner it has just about the same or a bit less and the 2480mAh are just fake.
So well you can use it as an replacement. Just don´t expect it to last longer than a stock battery.

honeyx said:
This is the ultracheap golden one I was talking about in the other threat where you asked about freezing your bloated battery.. Having here 2. Each for 5 Euro.
So well. This batteries never ever do have this capacity. Somwhere around stock capacity or a bit less. They do not last that long like a Samsungs battery, so you will have to reacharge it a bit more often than a new Samsung battery. It´s even a bit thinner than a regular 1500mA battery.
However there is one advantage in using it. It´s a LI-Polymer battery. Not a Li-Ion battery. So it doesn´t use an fluid but a polymer and therefore the risks to get it bloated are much less than with a LI-Ion battery. I ran them also really hot and they didn´t get bloated so far.
When this battery would have about the same thickness like the Stock Samsung battery it really would offer more capacity but thus it´s thinner it has just about the same or a bit less and the 2480mAh are just fake.
So well you can use it as an replacement. Just don´t expect it to last longer than a stock battery.
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Wait, Li-Polymer? I went researching and they said tht its the most dangerous battery in the world. They say tht its more likely to explode if u overcharge. I don't exactly know whether it true or not but u shld try search on YT abt it...
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TiTAN-O-One said:
Wait, Li-Polymer? I went researching and they said tht its the most dangerous battery in the world. They say tht its more likely to explode if u overcharge. I don't exactly know whether it true or not but u shld try search on YT abt it...
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That´s nonsense. The polymer is a static foil which can´t boil and create gases like the fluid in LI-Ion batteries. Well you can make everything explode. Even a banana by sending a flash with thousands Ampere through it.

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That´s nonsense. The polymer is a static foil which can´t boil and create gases like the fluid in LI-Ion batteries. Well you can make everything explode. Even a banana by sending a flash with thousands Ampere through it.
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Hhahaa so in other words, Li-Po is less likely to get damages?
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TiTAN-O-One said:
Hhahaa so in other words, Li-Po is less likely to get damages?
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Exactly. It´s an improved Li-Ion. Way easier to manufacture, less risky and even can offer higher capacity density.

honeyx said:
Exactly. It´s an improved Li-Ion. Way easier to manufacture, less risky and even can offer higher capacity density.
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why did cellphone manufacturers insist of using more expensive li-ion?
as u say it is better n safer, but li-polymer battery has lesser energy output than li-ion battery.

honeyx said:
That´s nonsense. The polymer is a static foil which can´t boil and create gases like the fluid in LI-Ion batteries. Well you can make everything explode. Even a banana by sending a flash with thousands Ampere through it.
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LOOOOLLLLZ! i like that exploding banana thing!

saintsoh said:
why did cellphone manufacturers insist of using more expensive li-ion?
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Many cellphone manucafturers already switched to Li-Polymer battries but those who don´t are still having legit contracts with LI-Ion battery manufacturers which they are forced to fullfill. This has nothing to with reality but with making bussiness and telling the customers what they want them to belife.
saintsoh said:
as u say it is better n safer, but li-polymer battery has lesser energy output than li-ion battery.
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Sorry but there you are wrong.
The difference between them lies in the material used as the separator. Rather than an inert substance with holes covered in electrolyte, the separator is made of a micro-porous polymer covered in an electrolytic gel that also serves as a catalyst that reduces the energy barrier in the chemical reaction between cathode and anode. Therefore, Li-Polymer batteries allow for a slight increase in energy density.
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Sources:
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/15775_How_do_Lithium_batteries_work.php
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/lithium_based_batteries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_polymer_battery

google search li-polymer vs li-ion battery, comes up with many links. such as;
http://www.androidauthority.com/lithium-ion-vs-lithium-polymer-whats-the-difference-27608/
http://www.buchmann.ca/article6-page1.asp
Risks and limitations on li-polymer battery:
1) Overcharging a Li-poly battery can cause an explosion or fire.
2) During discharge on load, the load has to be removed as soon as the voltage drops below approximately 3.0 V per cell (used in a series combination), or else the battery will subsequently no longer accept a full charge and may experience problems holding voltage under load. Li-poly batteries can be protected by circuitry that prevents over-charge and deep-discharge.
3) Compared to the lithium-ion battery, Li-poly is less advantageous in terms of life cycle degradation rate.
4) Lithium polymer-specific chargers are required in order to avoid fire and explosion.
5) Explosions can also occur if the battery is short-circuited, as tremendous current passes through the cell in an instant. Radio-control enthusiasts take special precautions to ensure their battery leads are properly connected and insulated. Furthermore fires can occur if the cell or pack is punctured.
6) While charging the lithium polymer batteries, the individual cells in the pack should be charged evenly. For this purpose, the cells are to be charged with special chargers. This entails special care while charging the batteries in addition to incurring expenses on procuring the chargers specific to lithium polymer batteries.

saintsoh said:
google search li-polymer vs li-ion battery, comes up with many links. such as;
http://www.androidauthority.com/lithium-ion-vs-lithium-polymer-whats-the-difference-27608/
http://www.buchmann.ca/article6-page1.asp
Risks and limitations on li-polymer battery:
1) Overcharging a Li-poly battery can cause an explosion or fire.
2) During discharge on load, the load has to be removed as soon as the voltage drops below approximately 3.0 V per cell (used in a series combination), or else the battery will subsequently no longer accept a full charge and may experience problems holding voltage under load. Li-poly batteries can be protected by circuitry that prevents over-charge and deep-discharge.
3) Compared to the lithium-ion battery, Li-poly is less advantageous in terms of life cycle degradation rate.
4) Lithium polymer-specific chargers are required in order to avoid fire and explosion.
5) Explosions can also occur if the battery is short-circuited, as tremendous current passes through the cell in an instant. Radio-control enthusiasts take special precautions to ensure their battery leads are properly connected and insulated. Furthermore fires can occur if the cell or pack is punctured.
6) While charging the lithium polymer batteries, the individual cells in the pack should be charged evenly. For this purpose, the cells are to be charged with special chargers. This entails special care while charging the batteries in addition to incurring expenses on procuring the chargers specific to lithium polymer batteries.
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Thankyou for the information i did know that.

did u know the batteries use by apple iphone, ipad, itablet and ipod?
they all use li-polymer battery and non-removable, need apple authorized centers to replace battery.

saintsoh said:
google search li-polymer vs li-ion battery, comes up with many links. such as;
http://www.androidauthority.com/lithium-ion-vs-lithium-polymer-whats-the-difference-27608/
http://www.buchmann.ca/article6-page1.asp
Risks and limitations on li-polymer battery:
1) Overcharging a Li-poly battery can cause an explosion or fire.
2) During discharge on load, the load has to be removed as soon as the voltage drops below approximately 3.0 V per cell (used in a series combination), or else the battery will subsequently no longer accept a full charge and may experience problems holding voltage under load. Li-poly batteries can be protected by circuitry that prevents over-charge and deep-discharge.
3) Compared to the lithium-ion battery, Li-poly is less advantageous in terms of life cycle degradation rate.
4) Lithium polymer-specific chargers are required in order to avoid fire and explosion.
5) Explosions can also occur if the battery is short-circuited, as tremendous current passes through the cell in an instant. Radio-control enthusiasts take special precautions to ensure their battery leads are properly connected and insulated. Furthermore fires can occur if the cell or pack is punctured.
6) While charging the lithium polymer batteries, the individual cells in the pack should be charged evenly. For this purpose, the cells are to be charged with special chargers. This entails special care while charging the batteries in addition to incurring expenses on procuring the chargers specific to lithium polymer batteries.
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The same thing i wondered. Search at YT and they said Li-Po is dangerous
Video Link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DcpANRFrI4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

TiTAN-O-One said:
Hey guys! So i posted smth abt Bloated Battery and u guys told me to change it. Surfing the net when i came across this online shop that sells 2480mAh Battery for the Galaxy W (and others) and i wonder whether its real cos' i dont think such small slim battery can that much mAh rite? But also, its made in Japan NOT China so i expect to see "quality" here
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lets return back to the main topic.
it is too cheap compare to oem battery, so dont expect goods specs be accordance to wat it advertised.
it cant be li-polymer battery, too expensive to manufacture.
2480mAh?? do a search buyers claim it to be below 1200mAh.
google search the 2900mAh battery, thickness is double, this is many claim to be the true deal.
china have many rejection parts from corporation companies, their sub-contractors to sub-sub contractors to sub-sub-sub small companies.
many will recycle to gain back some of their loss $$$ on rejections instead of dispose/destroy those parts.

saintsoh said:
lets return back to the main topic.
it is too cheap compare to oem battery, so dont expect goods specs be accordance to wat it advertised.
it cant be li-polymer battery, too expensive to manufacture.
2480mAh?? do a search buyers claim it to be below 1200mAh.
google search the 2900mAh battery, thickness is double, this is many claim to be the true deal.
china have many rejection parts from corporation companies, their sub-contractors to sub-sub contractors to sub-sub-sub small companies.
many will recycle to gain back some of their loss $$$ on rejections instead of dispose/destroy those parts.
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Its okay really, we can somewhat "compare" with the OEM battery (but since mines bloated ) and "gold" one in an Antutu Benchmark test... Who knows?
Typing using a Mini 2 -.-"

TiTAN-O-One said:
Its okay really, we can somewhat "compare" with the OEM battery (but since mines bloated ) and "gold" one in an Antutu Benchmark test... Who knows?
Typing using a Mini 2 -.-"
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very easy
someone with stock battery performs the test and compares to my screenshot
anyone can?
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saintsoh said:
lets return back to the main topic.
it is too cheap compare to oem battery, so dont expect goods specs be accordance to wat it advertised.
it cant be li-polymer battery, too expensive to manufacture.
2480mAh?? do a search buyers claim it to be below 1200mAh.
google search the 2900mAh battery, thickness is double, this is many claim to be the true deal.
china have many rejection parts from corporation companies, their sub-contractors to sub-sub contractors to sub-sub-sub small companies.
many will recycle to gain back some of their loss $$$ on rejections instead of dispose/destroy those parts.
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Oh wehhh. All the disadvanteges you are listing up in your previous post are also related to LI-Ion and every other battery.
Like I already said. Overcharging a banana with a flash will make it also explode. A flash hitting your head will also overcharge you. It can make your eyes explode and will boil your blood imediatelly. Why do you think they are bounding the eyes for people who are getting killed on electrical chairs? Because their eyes are exploding when the current is streaming through their body.
The same to short circuit a battery. Even a silly carbon battery will explode under this circumstates. That´s also why most batteries used for phones are having a short circuit protection. Even the old NiCd batteries which were used in the stone old cellphones.
About droping below 3V. This is legit for both. LI-Polymer and LI-Ion. Not only to LI-Polymer.
LI-Polymer batteries are charged the same way like LI-Ion batteries. The source telling it needs an special charger is a guy who is just sharing his opinion without referring to fundamental sources.
The other source is from 2001 and rather outdated when it comes to density but even there the guy says it´s less dangerous to catch fire.
To sum this up it seems like you just are collecting contrary claims like the guy in your first source without being objective just to make this type of battery to appear worse compared to the older LI-Ion batteries. But not telling the full truth to make it appear like LI-Polymer can explode when overcharged but LI-Ion can not. And this is for me bending the truth.
And to be exact. Not Li-Ion battieries began in 1912 but simple non rechargable Lithium batteries like the one used in watches. Rechargable LI-Ion batteries began in the 70´s and Li-Polymer is the further developement of LI-Ion batteries where newer manufacturing processes and developement make it even safer and having a higher density.
So last but not least. It IS a LI-Polymer battery. It has no hard case like Li-Ion batteries require to have to hold the fluid in it. You can bend this battery forth and back like all li-Polymer batteries. On the back side it even says it´s a Li-Polymer battery, but the missing hard case and the bending test are enough evidence for being one.
AND it has been said already many times it´s never ever 2400mAh but somwhere around stock capacity. The is just fake to get better sales.
However for this money there is nothing wrong in buying it as an replacement.

Bigger battery

Anybody can think of a battery that has more mah but same physical size as the one this device currently rocks? Would be awesome if we could fit the battery of the latest moto device but I believe that one is thinner.
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Swapping batteries in from other devices is a bad idea... Not only are they not likely to fit inside the case (check out some teardowns of the OP3) but the dash charge is calibrated for your battery, not for some other battery. Putting in a different capacity battery can cause some pretty hefty damage... Do some research into battery tech, these batteries generally have as much power capacity as physically possible based on the battery chemistry, you won't find a (legit) battery with a higher capacity of the same dimensions.
Remember those hoverboards that seemed to spontaneously ignite at random? more often than not it was due to poor wiring, faulty batteries, or being charged / discharged at a rate greater than what was designed for.
Give it a couple weeks / months I'm sure there will be a battery case developed for the OP3 but with how quickly this phone charges its designed to be topped up semi-regularly instead of charged once and run all day (or multiple days).
I've heard people say they are on transit for long periods of time and don't have access to a outlet, try looking for a battery bank to charge your phone if you feel the need...
And yeah, I wish they made the phone just a LITTLE thicker and put a larger battery in it. Really, I don't need a phone thin as a pancake, it could have been the same size as the OP2, ONE extra millimeter could fit more power, removed the silly "camera bump", and not impacted feel or ergonomics in any meaningful way.

Is there a Zero Lemon battery that isn't a case?

Someone mentioned there was a Zero Lemon battery that was standalone. Just a battery without the clunky case. I had the Zero Lemon battery/case for my LG G3 but only used it for about a week. The size is a deal breaker for me.

So I'm trying to understand what you're asking.. you want a large battery but not have it be large? or.. you don't want the case that goes around a large battery?
This is what I have. Its not the case that's clunky, its the battery.
https://www.amazon.com/Battery-ZeroLemon-10000mAh-Extended-Protection/dp/B01MQFT3SP

joachim123 said:
So I'm trying to understand what you're asking.. you want a large battery but not have it be large? or.. you don't want the case that goes around a large battery?
This is what I have. Its not the case that's clunky, its the battery.
https://www.amazon.com/Battery-ZeroLemon-10000mAh-Extended-Protection/dp/B01MQFT3SP
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This person said there was a larger(as in capacity) battery for the V20 that wasn't physically larger and didn't require a larger back for the phone. I checked Zero Lemon before posting this and couldn't find anything of the sort but wanted to ask anyway. He may have been hepped up on goofballs. I dunno. Anyway, thank you for the reply.

You might be able to get a little more capacity in there, but I doubt you would get much. At best, you would get a little more life from a new battery, not any extended capacity. Lipo batteries have not had significant advancements since the V20 came out, and I don't see any reason LG would have used crap cells. There are certainly batteries that claim more capacity in the same space, but every single one I've seen tested by myself or someone else showed them to be fake. Some of them even had laser etching on the cells stating the true capacity.

IIRC there are Li-Po 4100mah batteries that are stock-sized, but Li-Po is a lot more dangerous than Li-Ion. I'm currently running a Lisheng 8200mah, it's pretty thick and makes my A1 feel like something from the future. I'm 'only' getting 9hr SOTs out of it, but it's not calibrated at all (it loves to get stuck under 20%) and I game/stream video almost constantly in those 9hrs.

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IIRC there are Li-Po 4100mah batteries that are stock-sized, but Li-Po is a lot more dangerous than Li-Ion. I'm currently running a Lisheng 8200mah, it's pretty thick and makes my A1 feel like something from the future. I'm 'only' getting 9hr SOTs out of it, but it's not calibrated at all (it loves to get stuck under 20%) and I game/stream video almost constantly in those 9hrs.
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Yea, I'm thinking my best bet is to just have a spare battery or two(Which I do for most of my devices). I hated the Zero Lemon battery I had so much I gave it away. It was great for battery life but it was too big.

6000mah Battery for Mate 20X legit?

Saw this aftermarket 6000mah battery for the 20X on aliexpress, good reviews all round (one review says it's 7500mah). Has anyone tried this? If so how was the installation process?
5000mah already lasts me 2-4 days but 6000mah would be really handy during heavy use days.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33047747490.html

Vicxx said:
Saw this aftermarket 6000mah battery for the 20X on aliexpress, good reviews all round (one review says it's 7500mah). Has anyone tried this? If so how was the installation process?
5000mah already lasts me 2-4 days but 6000mah would be really handy during heavy use days.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33047747490.html
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Here you go. The 1st link is a video teardown and the 2nd is a guide. You will need to apply some heat to open the cover. But a blow dryer may suffice. Buy T7000 glue to glue the cover back on. Its a very simple removal, not hard at all.
Huawei Mate 20 X Teardown
More power, more screen, more battery, more...
www.ifixit.com
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Vicxx said:
Saw this aftermarket 6000mah battery for the 20X on aliexpress, good reviews all round (one review says it's 7500mah). Has anyone tried this? If so how was the installation process?
5000mah already lasts me 2-4 days but 6000mah would be really handy during heavy use days.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33047747490.html
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it is fake

PhoneTechShop said:
it is fake
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How do you know? have you tried it?

Vicxx said:
How do you know? have you tried it?
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No these chinese companies trying lie to sell ... not just with these batteries but any other.. just peel of their label and u will see original 5000 huawei battery

I know some of them do lie but you can't go around saying ALL chinese companies and sellers are frauds. If you're going around making unsubstantiated claims with not even a shred of evidence no one will ever take you seriously again, at least not me.

Vicxx said:
I know some of them do lie but you can't go around saying ALL chinese companies and sellers are frauds. If you're going around making unsubstantiated claims with not even a shred of evidence no one will ever take you seriously again, at least not me.
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Is the battery bigger or thicker than orig ? u cannot make bigger mAh and keeping same size man think.com ...
download an app which detects battery capacity and let me know who was right ...
Or let me know how longer will phone last from charge than with original
Edit : I attached picture from your link and they claiming in description ''above 5000mAh'' How can you be so naive??
And 7000 ?? yeah right ... keep dreaming..
And one Russian (with bad english) left only 3 stars s the battery apparently is not any good .. Didn't understand quite what he was saying.. But 3 stars says it all

to be fair its not all just about size, there is a thing such as energy density, which is actually the most important factor in a battery's design
in general, i would advise caution when buying non-original batteries. at the same time, higher capacity in the same form factor is totally inside the realm of possibility.

jbmc83 said:
to be fair its not all just about size, there is a thing such as energy density, which is actually the most important factor in a battery's design
in general, i would advise caution when buying non-original batteries. at the same time, higher capacity in the same form factor is totally inside the realm of possibility.
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As I know about batteries. Li-ion batteries has best density
Speaking of cell density batteries there would have to be new design and new technology.
For more battery cells you obviously need larger battery ! THAT'S WHY Mate 20 X / Honor Note 10 battery is the largest from all.
Battery Size
Although higher-capacity batteries generally last longer than lower-capacity ones, they are not always suitable for use in every device. To achieve a higher capacity, battery makers often have to fit more cells into each battery. Cells are the parts of a battery in which the chemical reaction needed to generate electricity happens. Increasing a battery's cell count can in turn increase both the size and weight of the battery, making it unsuitable for use in slimline devices such as smaller cell phones and netbooks. The temperature and speed of electrical current discharge affects the overall capacity of the battery. Poorly made batteries often heat up too quickly resulting in performance issues or degraded capacity.
To calculate a battery's life, divide the capacity of the battery by the current required by the object it powers. For example, imagine that you have two batteries for your cell phone, one with a capacity of 1000 mAh and one with a capacity of 2000 mAh, and that your phone requires a current of 200 mA to function. The first battery would power the phone for five hours, as 1000 divided by 200 equals five. But the second battery would power the phone for ten hours, as it has double the capacity of the first. While a larger number indicates battery power, larger mAh batteries may not be better if it is a poor quality battery. It simply means it can store more power.
Cell phone battery life is heavily dependent on the way in which you use the phone. The more features you run at the same time on your phone, the more current your phone requires and the quicker the battery's capacity drains. This is why using WiFi or running complex games on your phone drains the battery quickly. As such, a battery with a high capacity that is used to power a smartphone might last for less time than a low-capacity battery that powers a basic device.