Hi all,
I was wondering if it's possible to inject into zune app and make it install another app instead of the one you choose using zune.
Using fillder, I briefly tried to look what requests are made by zune but I could not see anything which looks like downloading the app.
Just sideload its a whole lot easier and I don't think something like that exists otherwise it would be on Android and iPhone.
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andreiuc said:
I was wondering if it's possible to inject into zune app and make it install another app instead of the one you choose using zune.
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Hmm, I can say - interesting idea! But I am afraid it's a very difficult to implement. You need to emulate whole MS store server...
I think all requests go via secure connection and checked by trusted certificates on device.
same with dev unlock.
Cotulla said:
I think all requests go via secure connection and checked by trusted certificates on device.
same with dev unlock.
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Not at all, some requests are non-secure. I'm able (with WireShark) to catch xap requests, store/app info etc. Actually, we have a lot of marketplace replacements (even I have my own implementation ).
sensboston said:
Not at all, some requests are non-secure. I'm able (with WireShark) to catch xap requests, store/app info etc. Actually, we have a lot of marketplace replacements (even I have my own implementation ).
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I tried with Fiddler to catch xap requests but I was not able to see any.
My idea is to to write an app which injects code in Zune to hijack calls to download a XAP from zune and download from my location instead(or get it from local disk).
it's good to hear this. but marketplace XAP files are signed and it also makes a problem. unsigned will not work. (it's not deploy, it's installation!)
Cotulla said:
it's good to hear this. but marketplace XAP files are signed and it also makes a problem. unsigned will not work. (it's not deploy, it's installation!)
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Right. They are signed with developer key.
Not sure if WP7 OS checks this and how would it know if it's the real app?
I mean, I can sign my own XAP which I make Zune to get it and deliver it to WP7.
andreiuc said:
Right. They are signed with developer key.
Not sure if WP7 OS checks this and how would it know if it's the real app?
I mean, I can sign my own XAP which I make Zune to get it and deliver it to WP7.
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Looking to the requests responses when you select to install an app, I was able to see this response XML:
Code:
<a:entry>
<a:updated>2011-09-08T18:03:25.3198784Z</a:updated>
<a:title type="text">3D Paperball 1.3.0.0</a:title>
<a:id>urn:uuid:1ea47c77-79c1-4c5a-b441-549b4e93dcea</a:id>
<version>1.3.0.0</version>
<url>http://apps.marketplace.windowsphone.com/E0C15284-972B-41D3-B245-8C16AAF73A66/CurrentBinary.xap</url>
<packageSize>9235456</packageSize>
<installSize>19616768</installSize>
<clientTypes>
<clientType>WinMobile 7.0</clientType>
<clientType>WinMobile 7.1</clientType>
</clientTypes>
<supportedLanguages>
<supportedLanguage>English</supportedLanguage>
</supportedLanguages>
<deviceCapabilities><capability><id>ID_CAP_NETWORKING</id><string>data services</string><disclosure>Disclose</disclosure></capability><capability><id>ID_CAP_SENSORS</id><string>movement and directional sensor</string><disclosure>Disclose</disclosure></capability><capability><id>ID_CAP_IDENTITY_USER</id><string>owner identity</string><disclosure>Disclose</disclosure></capability><capability><id>ID_CAP_IDENTITY_DEVICE</id><string>phone identity</string><disclosure>Disclose</disclosure></capability></deviceCapabilities>
<averageLastInstanceUserRating>0</averageLastInstanceUserRating>
<lastInstanceUserRatingCount>0</lastInstanceUserRatingCount>
</a:entry>
<a:author>
<a:name>Microsoft Corporation</a:name>
</a:author>
As you can see, the XAP URL is right there.
However, with Fiddler, I am not able to see any requests to this URL.
Maybe someone can share some info using more advanced tools like WireShark.
LOL, my hunch is it's actually the WP7 OS which is doing the download of the file
yeah. but it seems signed with own MS certificate ?
so developers push app to MS and they verify and sign it? (I don't know much about market space publishing)
andreiuc said:
LOL, my hunch is it's actually the WP7 OS which is doing the download of the file
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I believe you are right as it's been discovered already that it's pacmaninstaller.exe (I think that's the spelling) on device that prevents the sideloading of homebrew apps with INTEROPSERVICES.
andreiuc said:
However, with Fiddler, I am not able to see any requests to this URL.
Maybe someone can share some info using more advanced tools like WireShark.
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Did you "reverse tether" your phone to PC? I believe, handset is responsible to download and install xap...
BTW, all these talks is about "warez" I don't see any other reasons to do that kind of hack (or may be, for research purposes only).
To get a "prove of concept", we need:
- download MS signed xap;
- using some kind of filtering proxy, replace request to http://apps.marketplace.windowsphone.com/{GUID}/CurrentBinary.xap to the local server;
If phone will be able to download and install that xap (what is impossible by using MS or third-party deployers), we'll get a solution or at least prove of solution
Cotulla said:
yeah. but it seems signed with own MS certificate ?
so developers push app to MS and they verify and sign it? (I don't know much about market space publishing)
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Yep, "Ed Zachary" (c) Dave Barry, "Big Trouble"
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Looking around the IMGFS, I found some undocumented capabilities that can be used in building an app (in addition to the standard ones mentioned in the WMAppManifest.xml file).
These are the extra ones I found, in case anyone is interested (from BasePolicy.xml):
ID_CAP_RINGTONE_ADD:Allows ringtone-marketplace applications to read/write into the Ringtones directory
ID_CAP_MEDIALIB:Access to the media library - read, play-back, etc.
ID_CAP_INTEROPSERVICES:Temporary Interop Service Capability.. To be removed by feature team
ID_CAP_SIMrovides access to SIM manager API
ID_CAP_SMSrovides access to SMS API
ID_CAP_WAProvides access to WAP API
ID_CAP_IDENTITY_USER:Allow an application to use a phone.info.dll to retrieve user properties
ID_CAP_TESTPUBLIC1:Small public test capability
ID_CAP_LOADUNSIGNEDMANAGEDDLL:Capability to load unsigned managed dll into chamber's process space
ID_CAP_LOADUNSIGNEDNATIVEDLL:Capability to load unsigned native dll into chamber's process space
ID_CAP_DEBUG:Allow an application to run in debugging enviorment.
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I've tested each of these individually, and some work, and others don't.
ID_CAP_INTEROPSERVICES works
ID_CAP_RINGTONE_ADD works
ID_CAP_MEDIALIB works
ID_CAP_IDENTITY_USER works
ID_CAP_TESTPUBLIC1 works
ID_CAP_SIM ID doesn't work
CAP_SMS doesn't work
ID_CAP_WAP doesn't work
ID_CAP_LOADUNSIGNEDNATIVEDLL doesn't work
ID_CAP_LOADUNSIGNEDMANAGEDDLL doesn't work.
Note that even for the ones that work, Microsoft may still reject them in the app store.
I tested these by entering them in the WMAppManifest.xml in the XAP, and loading them on a windows phone device. This guy suggests that if it loads on the device, you have the permission: http://www.drdobbs.com/windows/227701092 and I think he's right. If you don't have permission, it doesn't actually load, and in every case, if it loaded it ran.
ID_CAP_RINGTONE_ADD - So i guess with next update we will get Custom ringtones that can b installed from an app
off topic can some one create utility that will do something about tuch sensetive buttons, when using camera if u tuch any of then by accident it exit camera, so u have to hold phone very carefully.
also, app to lock screen rotation would be nice.... any of thous features undocumented anywhere
P.S sorry for unrelated message
I think the ID_CAP_RINGTONE_ADD feature will only be enabled for the carriers (who knows what Microsoft really has in mind, though). The Windows Phone has done a good job (or lousy job, compared to what I desire) managing permissions so they can choose what capability to give whom.
Disabling other buttons shouldn't be hard if you can get to the native API. So once the phone is jailbroken......
Actually, Microsofts own Q&A on Windows Phone 7 states to look in the Marketplace for additional ringtones. Here is an excerpt and a link:
To find a ringtone in Marketplace
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On Start, tap the arrow to go to the App list, then tap Marketplace .
2
Press the Search button.
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Do one of the following:
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To browse a variety of ringtones, type ringtones, then tap Enter .
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To look for a more particular type of ringtone, type something more specific, like Halloween ringtones.
Tip
To hear what a ringtone or alert sounds like, tap Play .
Note
Marketplace may not be available in your country or region.
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http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/howto/wp7/start/ringtones-and-sounds.aspx
All well and good having that, but why should we purchase a ring tone?
TheDisneyMagic said:
All well and good having that, but why should we purchase a ring tone?
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Well, I don't see myself buying any, but this means an app could be made to create/add ringtones.
Long press on a song in Zune won't let you set it as the ringtone?
Iridox said:
Long press on a song in Zune won't let you set it as the ringtone?
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Nope, I asumed this would be how it worked but no option in the list to do so.
Ah, that's a PITA >_>
naplesbill said:
Well, I don't see myself buying any, but this means an app could be made to create/add ringtones.
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A whole app just to add a ringtone!?
naplesbill said:
Actually, Microsofts own Q&A on Windows Phone 7 states to look in the Marketplace for additional ringtones. Here is an excerpt and a link:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/howto/wp7/start/ringtones-and-sounds.aspx
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To me that excerpt looks like you can download ringtones from the store, not that you can create an app to download ringtones. It would appear that Microsoft has an internal application that can add ringtones (which makes sense). These permissions are enforced by the OS, not the app store (maybe the app store does too). So if they want to be able to install ringtones, they need to give their own app permission to do so.
athompson said:
Looking around the IMGFS, I found some undocumented capabilities that can be used in building an app (in addition to the standard ones mentioned in the WMAppManifest.xml file).
These are the extra ones I found, in case anyone is interested (from BasePolicy.xml):
ID_CAP_RINGTONE_ADD:Allows ringtone-marketplace applications to read/write into the Ringtones directory
ID_CAP_MEDIALIB:Access to the media library - read, play-back, etc.
ID_CAP_INTEROPSERVICES:Temporary Interop Service Capability.. To be removed by feature team
ID_CAP_SIMrovides access to SIM manager API
ID_CAP_SMSrovides access to SMS API
ID_CAP_WAProvides access to WAP API
ID_CAP_IDENTITY_USER:Allow an application to use a phone.info.dll to retrieve user properties
ID_CAP_TESTPUBLIC1:Small public test capability
ID_CAP_LOADUNSIGNEDMANAGEDDLL:Capability to load unsigned managed dll into chamber's process space
ID_CAP_LOADUNSIGNEDNATIVEDLL:Capability to load unsigned native dll into chamber's process space
ID_CAP_DEBUG:Allow an application to run in debugging enviorment.
Visual Studio won't let you add all of them directly, but uncompress your .xap in the build directory, and add it manually.
If anyone is thinking of doing this, the phone rejected my attempts to do so. I tried to give myself ID_CAP_LOADUNSIGNEDNATIVEDLL, but it wouldn't even load on the phone. Oh well.
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But if someone use these things in an application , I think microsoft doesn`t approve it in the market place!
amir_rafie said:
But if someone use these things in an application , I think microsoft doesn`t approve it in the market place!
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Ya, not only that, they probably automatically check to make sure you don't try to use them. The phone automatically checks, too.
The main reason I put them here is because I couldn't find them documented anywhere on the web, and I thought it would be good to save someone the time if they started down the same path I did.
hopefully once there is a jailbreak that turns of security/cert checking we can add these capabilities to our apps. Im particularly interested in the p/invoke capability.
indiekiduk said:
Im particularly interested in the p/invoke capability.
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YES! It would make the world beautiful and skies turn blue.
So I set up VS 2010 and tried debugging an app that had a simple DLLImport in it and ID_CAP_INTEROPSERVICES in the manifest, however it still crashed with a MethodAccessException. It was def a valid dll and method name because I took it from one of the DLLImports in the system.location .net dll decompiled with Reflector.
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So I set up VS 2010 and tried debugging an app that had a simple DLLImport in it and ID_CAP_INTEROPSERVICES in the manifest, however it still crashed with a MethodAccessException. It was def a valid dll and method name because I took it from one of the DLLImports in the system.location .net dll decompiled with Reflector.
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Interesting. If your app installed, it means you were able to get the ID_CAP_INTEROPSERVICES permission, because if the phone rejects your permission, it rejects it at install time. Maybe the DLL path was wrong, like you need to do ..\DLLNAME.dll or something.
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So I set up VS 2010 and tried debugging an app that had a simple DLLImport in it and ID_CAP_INTEROPSERVICES in the manifest, however it still crashed with a MethodAccessException. It was def a valid dll and method name because I took it from one of the DLLImports in the system.location .net dll decompiled with Reflector.
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Try a relative URI path. ./DLLName.dll
On the subject of Native Applications on Windows Phone 7:
A few days ago, an Application called "Network Profile" appeared in the Samsung Zone of my Omnia 7's Marketplace.
This app is the first external app that uses native code - The Marketplace says that it "Requires access to your interop services", and on opening the XAP on my PC, I found it to contain three native COM DLLs, alongside two .NET DLLs and a further native DLL with MUIs that appear to only serve to hold resources.
I'm not sure whether this can be linked to here, so I'm going to describe the interesting parts.
It has not one, but three XMLs - the typical WMAppManifest.xml (pastebin.com/uEJWdTuA), a WMAppPRHeader.xml (pastebin.com/AVcv7JUX) which seems to have something to do with PlayReady DRM, and most interestingly WMInteropManifest.xml (pastebin.com/NCVKP6kM).
There is also the AppManifest.xaml (pastebin.com/rRrB090h).
The NetworkProfile.dll has a number of COM Imports like so:
Code:
[ComImport, InterfaceType(ComInterfaceType.InterfaceIsIUnknown), Guid("F1113B13-AAB8-45E9-91A5-CBE568C29612")]
internal interface INwProfInterface
The Constructor for the class containing all the COM Interfaces:
Code:
ComBridge.RegisterComDll("NwProfDLL.dll", new Guid("4A2580BA-11A3-49AB-AC98-C30B5E72D381"));
this.NwInterface = (INwProfInterface) new CNwProfClass();
ComBridge.RegisterComDll("SecVersion.dll", new Guid("DFE52822-B526-4913-807A-D2AABC7BF911"));
this.SecVerInterface = (ISecVersionInterface) new SecVersionClass();
ComBridge.RegisterComDll("COMRilClient.dll", new Guid("A18F6B1A-924E-4787-AA82-19F98B49CF5D"));
this.SecRILControlInterface = (ISecRilControl) new COSecRilControl();
Happy to answer any questions, and if allowed, either guide people to getting it themselves, or providing a download link to the XAP.
Sweet, good find! I downloaded that app. How did you get it off your phone? If you have a download link to the XAP no one will complain, either.
Hi
I thought this may be useful to our gurus in development. I am sorry if it is wrong place to post.
Is this a way to unlock CE 6.0 of Windows Phone 7? This I have seen in endgadget. This brings the native CE explorer in Zune. can we use this to bring file explorer in WP7?
Links:
http://www.zuneboards.com/forums/download-openzdk-applications/54495-liberate-explorer-zune-hd.html
http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/01/liberate-for-the-zune-hd-unlocks-hidden-windows-ce-potential/
Thanks,
Ravi
I can't find the source for that exact project (if you have a link, please post it), but I've spent a lot of time looking at the OpenZDK exploit source code, trying to adapt it to WP7.
There are a couple problems. The first is that you need to be able to install an app on the phone in order to get the exploit to work. Zune already allows you to install third-party apps, so the only problem they had was how to break out of the XNA/managed/C# jail. Then they can distribute the breakout as an executable, and anyone can run it. That won't work on WP7 because the only way to install a third-party app is if you have a developer license and the sourcecode. Or you can download it from the app store, but obviously Microsoft isn't going to allow exploits onto the store (they even have automated checking for the kind of exploit they have over at Zuneboards).
The second problem is even if you were able to run random apps on WP7, the exploit still wouldn't work. Microsoft has gotten a lot more serious about security on WP7, and they've closed off all the easy hacks like that (as far as I can tell, of course I'll keep looking). They didn't take security so seriously on WP7, and accidentally gave developers access to an unsafe memcpy(). In WP7 they have a much more robust security model, and closed that off. Which is sad.
I haven't been able to get pInvoke to work on WP7, or even use pointers. You can get the compiler to generate unsafe code, but the runtime on the phone crashes when it comes to any pointer. pInvoke might theoretically work, it's possible I've just been using it wrong, but I've tried a lot of different things and haven't gotten it to work.
Oh yeah, I found the announcement here:
http://www.zuneboards.com/forums/zu...-your-zune-new-version-includes-keyboard.html
Says it's built on openZDK, which means it is using the memcpy() exploit, and my last post wasn't completely off
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Oh yeah, I found the announcement here:
http://www.zuneboards.com/forums/zu...-your-zune-new-version-includes-keyboard.html
Says it's built on openZDK, which means it is using the memcpy() exploit, and my last post wasn't completely off
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I am really sorry, because most of the things you said, i'm not understanding, because I am not a professional developer or for that not even near to that area of coding (am a Pharmacist... my highest knoweldge is little HTML coding).
I am wondering is this will help in any way to access file system in WP7 and build an file explorer kind of app or can we install Totalchrom or resco file explorer kind of app??? using this can we enable bluetooth ftp or internet file download kind of options?
Thanks
lol ya, I guess I should have started with the executive summary. In short, my assessment is no, it doesn't help, because Windows Phone 7 is too different. I really wish it did help.
athompson said:
lol ya, I guess I should have started with the executive summary. In short, my assessment is no, it doesn't help, because Windows Phone 7 is too different. I really wish it did help.
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+1, unfortunately this won't help us at all.
According to WPcentral:
Sounds like an innocent blog that reviews apps right? Well the concerns from the Twitter posts is that not only does the site review apps but it also contains download links for the .xap file that is residing on Microsoft's servers.
Even if you download the .xap file, it's going to take some effort to get it installed to your Windows Phone 7.
You will need the developer tools and device that is unlocked for development. While the developer tools are free, you have to be a registered developer to get an unlocked device. You CAN however download the .xap and rename it as a .zip and look at the structure of the app, though we're 99% sure that the real "code" of the app is compiled/encoded/encrypted.
Not many will be able to do much with this downloadable file. That is unless you're a developer looking to download free apps from other developers. Still, one has to wonder why it's so easy for a third party site to provide download links to Marketplace apps.
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They are talking about the website: http://winmobile7.apphab.com/
Kind of a strange site. They are offering free downloads of paid marketplace applications. Unless you are a developer, you can't do anything with it. But it's still strange...
This sounds like a good way to get in a lot of trouble. I would bet Microsoft can see what apps are installed when the phone checks for marketplace app updates even if you side load it as a developer.
And its still live and offering files to download. Shoddy MS security on display, extremely troubling for devs.
Hopefully Microsoft will look into that site and any similar sites.
We cant have developers loosing money because of these people.
I can't see where you download apps - if its real why not post a link on http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/windowsphone7/threads ?
It says it's for free and trial versions. Isn't it pointless to provide download files anyway since you can only install apps via the Marketplace?
****, they have my app on there, not happy
my app does support trial, I'm not seeing anything about xap downloads, hopefully this means the breach has been fixed and not that I'm looking in the wrong place
I don't mind free publicity, but I put many hours into that and don't want it spread around in such a way (free, unauthorized downloads, raw code)
Definitely not cool for developers. One issue is that all the apps are silverlight and are only compiled to MSIL. Pop open the binaries with Reflector and you've basically got the source code. All devs should utilize Dotfuscator to at least help with this.
http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_...-with-preemptive-solutions-for-analytics.aspx
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my app does support trial, I'm not seeing anything about xap downloads, hopefully this means the breach has been fixed and not that I'm looking in the wrong place
I don't mind free publicity, but I put many hours into that and don't want it spread around in such a way (free, unauthorized downloads, raw code)
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It looks like the site that had the links (http://winmobile7.apphab.com) took down the link to the XAPs but I bet the issue is still there. It was a pretty simple URL to the Microsoft server. You just had to know the application's GUID and you could download the XAP.
I don't see how this makes them free... you can easily see you need a registered dev device, I doubt it makes the app "free" because there is a fee you must pay.
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And its still live and offering files to download. Shoddy MS security on display, extremely troubling for devs.
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Microsoft can check your device and see if you have pirated software on it, just like they do for XBox live. They already have the infrastructure in place and if you pirate be prepared to have your phone banned from Marketplace, Zune, XBox Live, etc.
RustyGrom said:
Definitely not cool for developers. One issue is that all the apps are silverlight and are only compiled to MSIL. Pop open the binaries with Reflector and you've basically got the source code. All devs should utilize Dotfuscator to at least help with this.
http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_...-with-preemptive-solutions-for-analytics.aspx
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Any decent develper will Obfuscate the code. If they didn't, they were kind of asking for it since it's hot hard to intercept data being downloaded over WiFi, etc. The fact that it can only come from the market was never enough to stop people from getting their hands on the files downloaded from said market.
It's no different than any other platform that uses a VM architecture (Android, WP7, WM 6.x .NET CF, Java ME, etc.).
I found my own app there. I don't however see a download link?
--edit: Nvm, should've read the thread to its end.
What is the URL? To replace with GUID or XAP filename? Could always use archive.org.
i guys!i have a mega pack xap installers with games and apps.
i poste for everyone previous.
sorry bad english...
cmpts
is a method to decrypt files xap
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=34246750&postcount=3
Is there a way of creating and deploying an wp7 app that would be only available to our company agents.
As far As I understand this you can only deploy any app via the Market Place - this is useless for any internal business application.
Do I need to wait for better mobile device management or is there away around this ?
Any pointers appreciated guys.
Two ways to do it, the way I see it...
1. Add the program to marketplace, but require an registration number to be inputted in the program for it to work.
2. Side-load it
tiwas said:
Two ways to do it, the way I see it...
1. Add the program to marketplace, but require an registration number to be inputted in the program for it to work.
2. Side-load it
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2 won't work, as it could be redistributed.
1 might, but we all know how well registration models work (cracks)
this might be a job for phone-home drm.
tiwas said:
Two ways to do it, the way I see it...
1. Add the program to marketplace, but require an registration number to be inputted in the program for it to work.
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This would probably be the best, especially considering that your agents probably need to login anyway.
But I think that you won't pass certification if they can't test the app.
I don't know what your company does, but maybe you could release an app that is many targeted at your customers and everyone could use. This app could then have a hidden setting to enable special functions after a agent has logged in.
Microsoft are planning on supporting this in the future, their current suggestion, IIRC, is to use some sort of login though.
As the title suggests... i have a student developer account with APP HUB, can I update PREVIEW mango version (released/releasing these few days) with my phone still?
As i know, currently its the "paid" developers that have access to Preview mango update.
Let me know~ really hoping this works!!
i want to know too please
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As the title suggests... i have a student developer account with APP HUB, can I update PREVIEW mango version (released/releasing these few days) with my phone still?
As i know, currently its the "paid" developers that have access to Preview mango update.
Let me know~ really hoping this works!!
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Student App Hub accounts are identical to normal App Hub accounts.
nop they are not, they are similair but different.
I dont think the beta is coming as soon as they said
https://twitter.com/#!/BrandonWatson/status/83158862823297025
Rats...... but thanks for the update~
The update is indeed for paid and registered mango beta testers. So you do not only have to have a paid account, but you also need to be registered for beta testing Mango.
Further more, if you are such developer and you upgrade to Mango, be aware that there are new limitations to sideloading! Many homebrew tools and OEM tools won't be possible to sideload anymore.
When the moment is there that the update is available (not tomorrow), and you do decide to upgrade, I really want to ask everyone to capture the traffic during the update-process with Wireshark. If we have as much captures as possible, we can possibly create our own updater, like Chris Walsh did with NoDo. But we do need as much captures as possible to see which phones get which rom-packages. We should avoid half updates like in the original tool from Chris Walsh.
If you have a capture of the update, please post here.
Thanks,
Heathcliff74
Heathcliff74 said:
The update is indeed for paid and registered mango beta testers. So you do not only have to have a paid account, but you also need to be registered for beta testing Mango.
Further more, if you are such developer and you upgrade to Mango, be aware that there are new limitations to sideloading! Many homebrew tools and OEM tools won't be possible to sideload anymore.
When the moment is there that the update is available (not tomorrow), and you do decide to upgrade, I really want to ask everyone to capture the traffic during the update-process with Wireshark. If we have as much captures as possible, we can possibly create our own updater, like Chris Walsh did with NoDo. But we do need as much captures as possible to see which phones get which rom-packages. We should avoid half updates like in the original tool from Chris Walsh.
If you have a capture of the update, please post here.
Thanks,
Heathcliff74
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Any How to for capturing the traffic, I'm sure tons of people would like to participate if it was easy. Just start Wireshark and upload the log and that's it?
Yeah man, I'm willing to give this a shot when the update comes out, more than willing for the community... jejeje
I would like to know how to do this. I can post whatever comes out... I have an Arrive... We shall see... jejeje
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Heathcliff74 said:
The update is indeed for paid and registered mango beta testers. So you do not only have to have a paid account, but you also need to be registered for beta testing Mango.
Further more, if you are such developer and you upgrade to Mango, be aware that there are new limitations to sideloading! Many homebrew tools and OEM tools won't be possible to sideload anymore.
When the moment is there that the update is available (not tomorrow), and you do decide to upgrade, I really want to ask everyone to capture the traffic during the update-process with Wireshark. If we have as much captures as possible, we can possibly create our own updater, like Chris Walsh did with NoDo. But we do need as much captures as possible to see which phones get which rom-packages. We should avoid half updates like in the original tool from Chris Walsh.
If you have a capture of the update, please post here.
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ok,i'm with an apphub account(student) so the mango update for developers will be available on the dowload section directly on apphub(like the mango SDK 7.1) or i have to register my device ID to my account?
i couldn't myself,it's microsoft to register my device ID to my apphub account it is?
Heathcliff74 said:
When the moment is there that the update is available (not tomorrow), and you do decide to upgrade, I really want to ask everyone to capture the traffic during the update-process with Wireshark. If we have as much captures as possible, we can possibly create our own updater, like Chris Walsh did with NoDo. But we do need as much captures as possible to see which phones get which rom-packages. We should avoid half updates like in the original tool from Chris Walsh.
If you have a capture of the update, please post here.
Thanks,
Heathcliff74
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I think they'll do something similar to the XBox Dashboard Previews, meaning that ultimately you'll be able to install mango preview on any device, but they'll enable Windows Live sign-in only for registered devices, server side.
Unfortunately Microsoft has always been *****y about these preview things.
blindpet said:
Any How to for capturing the traffic, I'm sure tons of people would like to participate if it was easy. Just start Wireshark and upload the log and that's it?
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I'm no expert in Wireshark. I know how to use it for my own purposes. So this is what I would do, but if someone else has additional suggestions, feel free to help. The updates are over standard http, not https, so that makes it easier.
- Connect your phone to your computer and wait for Zune to be ready with sync.
- Download and start Wireshark.
- Select the network-interface you want to log (to be sure keep only one network-interface enabled, just to be sure you'll capture the correct interface).
- To be sure you capture the traffic from the phone too, go to menu Edit / Preferences. Select User Interface / Capture. And enable option Capture packets in Promiscuous Mode.
- To filter all unwanted data type this in the Filter textbox: http && !tcp.analysis.out_of_order && !tcp.analysis.retransmission
- Start update with Zune.
- When the update is ready, stop the capture and save it to a file.
To test if this works, do the above and use Internet Explorer on your phone. You should see the traffic in Wireshark.
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ok,i'm with an apphub account(student) so the mango update for developers will be available on the dowload section directly on apphub(like the mango SDK 7.1) or i have to register my device ID to my account?
i couldn't myself,it's microsoft to register my device ID to my apphub account it is?
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I clearly said it was for paid and registered developers. Have you paid for your student account? Guess not. So unfortunately this beta is not going available for you. Even if you would register as a beta-tester. I wouldn't know how to do that anyway, because I haven't done that.
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I clearly said it was for paid and registered developers. Have you paid for your student account? Guess not. So unfortunately this beta is not going available for you. Even if you would register as a beta-tester. I wouldn't know how to do that anyway, because I haven't done that.
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Thats interesting... May I ask where you have that information from? I could not find anything on the create.msdn.com (app hub) forums about it. Was it in the news section somewhere?
Quite odd they wont give it to students.
Marvin_S said:
Thats interesting... May I ask where you have that information from? I could not find anything on the create.msdn.com (app hub) forums about it. Was it in the news section somewhere?
Quite odd they wont give it to students.
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Ciao,
Heathcliff74
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Yes read those, it does not specifically says student accounts wont get it. Brandon watson also tweeted "@arnehelseth Every developer matters. Every. Single. One. Deep breath everyone". Don't know if this means something and is in the right context or not.
The articles just say it will be released to developer unlocked apphub account, which you can normally get by paying 99$ (they dont speak about student unlocks in particular).
"Neowin has received multiple independent tips that the beta will be made available for all devices through the MSDN Create hub for those with developer accounts, on June 22/23, with Microsoft set to make the announcement sometime during the next 24 hours. The beta will not be restricted to "favorite" developers but will be generally available to anyone with a paid subscription, and will be able to be loaded on any of the production devices."
Yes it indicates paid subscription, however does not really rule out student subscriptions since they are pretty much equal to MS. I dont know if we have to take these words literally or if its quickly written.
"The software giant will also offer beta bits for developers to load directly onto their devices, reports Neowin. Mango ROMs will be made available to existing Windows Phone developers via Microsoft’s App Hub development program. Access to the developer program is charged at $99 per year."
Students have free access to the App Hub development program.
I could not find where you need to sign up for the beta, have not read a mention about this. I could not find it in these sources.
You are probably right though that its only for paid subscriptions, since its easier to check who is a ginuine dev. I just wondered since I have not seen a clear "No to student account" post so I was not really sure about what to believe. Thank you for the clearification.
All sources I read stated that you need to have a paid registration. So it does not say 'no students' but students don't pay, so I guess that rules it out.
About the registered Mango beta tester, I don't see it right now, but I'm sure I've read that.
Anyway, we'll wait and see. Speculating now is not of much use.
Heathcliff74 said:
All sources I read stated that you need to have a paid registration. So it does not say 'no students' but students don't pay, so I guess that rules it out.
About the registered Mango beta tester, I don't see it right now, but I'm sure I've read that.
Anyway, we'll wait and see. Speculating now is not of much use.
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True, and they can always make a change of heart. Thanks we will see. If students get it, ill try and log the process with wireshark.
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True, and they can always make a change of heart. Thanks we will see. If students get it, ill try and log the process with wireshark.
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Ok. That would be cool. But I have to stress again: If you upgrade to Mango, be aware that there are new limitations to sideloading! Many homebrew tools and OEM tools won't be possible to sideload anymore. So if that is a problem for you, then you shouldn't upgrade. What would be interesting to know is, if you have such software that uses native code (like WP7 Root Tools, TouchXplorer, Screencam, etc) already on your phone, will it still be possible to use it after the upgrade?? And.. will the ChevronWP7 unlock survive the upgrade if you have to "prevent relock tweak" applied??
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Ok. That would be cool. But I have to stress again: If you upgrade to Mango, be aware that there are new limitations to sideloading! Many homebrew tools and OEM tools won't be possible to sideload anymore. So if that is a problem for you, then you shouldn't upgrade. What would be interesting to know is, if you have such software that uses native code (like WP7 Root Tools, TouchXplorer, Screencam, etc) already on your phone, will it still be possible to use it after the upgrade?? And.. will the ChevronWP7 unlock survive the upgrade if you have to "prevent relock tweak" applied??
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Yes I know. Thats what I wonder as well. Since we could use OEM apps added trough the marketplace. So upgrading with these apps in place might work. Ill also make a few zune backups so I can roll back just in case.
If roottools still works we might be able to set the prevent relock again. Im wondering about the sideload limit, because thats the most annoying thing for me. 3 is not much to sideload and I like to keep the apps Im developing on my phone to test them on the road.
Well Im trying not to get my hopes up for Mango anytime soon, but if its for students also Ill give it a shot. And I can maybe PM you before, if you can think of some things you want me to test out for you.