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TP2 or HD2 or wait...

Man... my TP2 is Resting in Pieces...
im happy with what i got to do with it thx to xda devs...
but had issues with stereo bluetooth...with video playback.... and more generally with slow speed of the machine...
im wondering if i should go to HD2 but that baby lacks a keyboard...
or maybe wait on a TP3 ...
Ive been a htc guy for almost 6-7 years...but there was always something to complain about with them...
before buying the TP2 i thought it was the perfect machine...until i saw how slow the cpu was...and that the HD had twice its speed....that the wm system still needed rebooting often...
I hate apple, i dont feel like trying android...i think i will hate windows 7....
like i hated vista after XP...
i like my NRG romd on TP2 and now beeing able to run Rhobuntu feels amazing...especially with a real keyboard...
but after a year with the same machine...it doesnt feel right to put 300€ in another new TP2...
i know this thread is completly pointless... unless i get some good advice...
but i just had to let it out to my fellow TP2 owners
http://www.xpphone.com/en/ cant wait to see this in the stores

No go on spending 300 euro on a new TP2. So, how about spending 193 euro on a used TP2?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=726801

as much as i love my TP2, compared to what they have out there now, the TP2 is outdated and slow. I'd try to pick up a snapdragon device if you're putting in 300 euros...seems worthless to buy outdated equipment.
Do you want to stick with WM6.5? or is there any chance you'd be willing to jump ship to android? I know this is semi-blasphemous in this forum, but i wouldn't mind a nice desire for myself (stupid ATT doesn't have any good phones. damn them!).
either way, good luck!

No offense, but you're likely making an unfair comparison.
The TP2 came with Sense 2.1. Thats what it was designed to use. Putting Sense 2.5, which was designed for another phone on the TP2, and expecting it to still perform well is unfair. It's like me putting Win7 on a computer thats 3 years old and originally shipped with WinXP. It might run, but its not gonna be pretty.
I spurned Sense altogether and went with SPB Mobile Shell. My phone FLIES. No lockups ever, better battery life, and I've grown to actually prefer the interface over time and with a lot of tweaking.
This aside, I agree with others that if I was in the market to buy a new phone right now, the TP2 is obviously outdated. Unless I was getting a crazy good deal (under $150), I'd go for something else.
Also dont forget that WM7 is likely coming out by year's end.

thx for everybody"s feedack...i actually went n bought a new TP2 for 220€ from a local ad...hoping insurance will upload me some $$
i did my unlocking with olipro app : thx for the great job on that
even though im having issues with the tp2...its a love hate relationship
i love what i can do with it...but i hate what the slow proc and maybe wm system does to me...
i really like the sense 2.5 interface but i started testing android and it seems promising... but i wouldnt go for a device with android only...i hope the port will be fully functionnal one day.
from the screens i see wm7 looks ugly so i doubt i will go for it...
i guess ill just have to keep this one clean for sale when the tp3 come out
its a shame windows/HTC are loosing the smartphone battle when they were the first ones on it...
most apps and games look like they are from the 80s compared to a iphone...
but i prefer by far sense 2.5 NRG rom with cookiemonster than than apple's interface.

[q] a little hope for rhodium

i have been around xda for awhile now (owning the Tilt 2) and found that many people have lost hope in the Android project. Some say that the internal hardware is just to "old" to play decent games on the android marketplace. But when i look at the tech specs for the Rhodium and see a 528 mhz processor with 512 mb of ram, i question myself. Obviously not as impressive as other phones now a days, but lets take the Ipod touch 2nd generation for instance. The hardware inside both devices seem to replicate one another (i mean acccording the tech specs the ipod touch is clocked at 533 mhz but isnt the Blazn android clocked at 700 mhz or plus!) maybe its a graphic card issue (correct me if im wrong), but i dont find this hardware that "old." I personally own a Ipod touch 2g and it runs games beautifully, but then again, it could be the os. Tell me if my thinking is totally off, or is there hope in the Rhodium android dev.
Also, it seems like the HTC leo (HD2) android dev went up quick and works 99% perfect (or should a say evo status without the front facing camera?). The possibilty for the Rhodium is greater than what people actually think.

I tend to agree. If you look at the specs on the device, you cant replace all the features it has with anything on the market yet, till the TP3 is out. Its a Saphire on steriods. I wont give this phone up till it breaks. My only wish was a front camera. If we get the camera going, what cant you do with it that a saphire will do

accilies45 said:
i have been around xda for awhile now (owning the Tilt 2) and found that many people have lost hope in the Android project. Some say that the internal hardware is just to "old" to play decent games on the android marketplace. But when i look at the tech specs for the Rhodium and see a 528 mhz processor with 512 mb of ram, i question myself. Obviously not as impressive as other phones now a days, but lets take the Ipod touch 2nd generation for instance. The hardware inside both devices seem to replicate one another (i mean acccording the tech specs the ipod touch is clocked at 533 mhz but isnt the Blazn android clocked at 700 mhz or plus!) maybe its a graphic card issue (correct me if im wrong), but i dont find this hardware that "old." I personally own a Ipod touch 2g and it runs games beautifully, but then again, it could be the os. Tell me if my thinking is totally off, or is there hope in the Rhodium android dev.
Also, it seems like the HTC leo (HD2) android dev went up quick and works 99% perfect (or should a say evo status without the front facing camera?). The possibilty for the Rhodium is greater than what people actually think.
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First, the RHOD has 288mb of RAM.... Second, the specs on the HD2 are ridiculously better - similar to most Android phones, hence the porting job for them was a breeze. Plus, they had a dev that was really, really good at disassembling WinMo dll's, so that made the porting job easier for them as well.
We might be able to get it up to a level of the Vogue... but your iPod Touch is a very, very different device from your RHOD. Lot less for your iPod to worry about then your RHOD...
Devs are makin great progress tho, I feel confident we can get it to a level where it would be comparable to a native Android device with similar specs - like the G1.

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Plus, they had a dev that was really, really good at disassembling WinMo dll's, so that made the porting job easier for them as well.
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Maybe some donation (if there is more than >400 euros for overclock tool, we could get more for fully working android) for him would make necessery progress?
I would donate 15 euro, if there are more ppl, we could ask if he is interested.

Raul^ said:
Maybe some donation (if there is more than >400 euros for overclock tool, we could get more for fully working android) for him would make necessery progress?
I would donate 15 euro, if there are more ppl, we could ask if he is interested.
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The legendary dev I speak of has helped us immensely already... he doesn't want money.
It's just he doesn't have the device himself, and it's not worth his time working on the RHOD... Already tried to get him a device, he wouldn't have it
Either way, he's a very helpful individual - we just have to go to him with very specific questions/problems, which is being addressed. We're getting there, progress is flying lately.

arrrghhh said:
The legendary dev I speak of has helped us immensely already... he doesn't want money.
It's just he doesn't have the device himself, and it's not worth his time working on the RHOD... Already tried to get him a device, he wouldn't have it
Either way, he's a very helpful individual - we just have to go to him with very specific questions/problems, which is being addressed. We're getting there, progress is flying lately.
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ahh yes.. the infamous dev has helped us many times. BUT if you read the logs far back enough we did help them plenty of times as well. I guess it was exciting for me specially since having gone through it with the tp2 it was nice to lend a helping hand when the project was in it's infancy stages. The HD2 apparently is far easier to program according to those devs.. they look at the tp2 and wonder why htc made such a beast. It really is a weird device compared to the others we see.
We also went through a rough time losing some key devs this year. Thats never easy for such a small team that has never even met.
still .. we are getting close cheers

It has come a long way in the last 2 months, you guys are doing great! Keep up the good work
Other techies have taken double takes a few times when im playing angry birds on a wimo phone.. Its always entertaining.....
Tech: "Who's playing that darn game"
Me: "Dont look at me, im a wimo guy"

XDA gives confidence in Android

I am new to xda-developers.com. I found this place because I wanted to try out android before getting an android phone. You see I am a IPhone user for 4 years. Don't get me wrong the integration of IPhone is sweet and even now do not see such amazing integration in Android. But I'm not a brand bigot.
So recently I purchased a Nook Color. I did this because I saw it as the least expensive choice for a capacitive touch screen tablet other than IPad. Keep in mind IPS screen is important to me, I'm a pro photographer and developer.
The reason I could make this step is xda-developers. I brought my Nook home and rooted it to phiremod v6 in the first 30 minutes. Added some things I like (angry birds, miren browser, flash 10, bible and some others).
So far the experience has been acceptable and I am learning each day. But what gives me confidence is the xda-developer network. It give me a good feeling that I will not be abandoned by hardware vendors as I have in the past (apple updates for years before finally reducing features to old phones).
All you guys rock. Keep up the good work. Soon I hope to get up and running on a development system (as soon as I can run the dev env in a virtualbox).
I am now carefully looking at the dell streak 5 (don't laugh I like the large screen).

Nice comments. XDA is a great site lots of committed techies sharing their knowledge......awesome........ I got the color nook as well cause I wanted for my 4 yr old . Now I love that thing so much fun to mod.
I like the 5" screen as well fits my hands and easier to see on it. Just wish it had a better op system..............still waiting for the S2

I notice that there is a lot of streaks on ebay for a good price. Is there a new version coming out? Just haven't seen any news/rumors about that.

XDA converted me from blackberry's to droids

I loved my streak try it out i dont figure a new one will be out for awhile! I now have a galaxy tab even bigger lol!

I was thinking the same thing (as the originator of this thread).
I got my first Android phone maybe 3 weeks ago, and since then I've used maybe 8 ROMs, each of which has its own strengths, and I was having a hard time deciding which to settle on...until...I tried Royal Ginger.
It looks and acts pretty much 100% like Cyanogen, but it doesn't have the 3G/4G connectivity problem of Cyanogen. In other words, it's freakin' bad-ass, and works 100%.
Anyway, like everyone else said, I would like my phone MUCH less without you people.
So, thanks.
RUJ

RUJoking said:
l...I tried Royal Ginger.
It looks and acts pretty much 100% like Cyanogen, but it doesn't have the 3G/4G connectivity problem of Cyanogen. In other words, it's freakin' bad-ass, and works 100%.
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On what phone

Thanx

To all good people on xda. Just wanted to say thanx for all of the great information, advise, patience and above all hacks, devs and genius. I have been easing myself into the world of andriod for about 6 months starting with a x10 mini pro and finally obtaining a desire. Now thanx to this fine meeting place, (as well as constant need to mess around, fiddle and improve my gadgets) i have finally unleashed my desire's full potential. Starting of nervously on the mini pro, (with a arse twitching moment of bricking said device, and subsequently un-bricking and passing it on to my girlfriend, in the process bringing in another driod user) to being sat here on my day off, running the coolest rom ever (MIUI!!!!!). All of this has just completely restored my faith that people can work together for the betterment of all (also got into the bargain ubuntu on dual boot on me laptop). Sorry to sound cheesy, but i am total pessimist and it is quite nice to go somewhere where the people GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO HELP!! It may sound like a small thing but hopefully the ethos that exists on this forum is an indicator to the future of the web connect world where s all like this. Well we'll see.
So got that of my chest, now all that there is left to say is
Thanx Guys. You ROCK

Cheers + 10char

Just introducing myself

Hi all,
I have bought a new in the box Touch Pro 2 which should be with me soon. I used to have a T-mobile (UK) tied Touch Diamond which had it's screen backlight fried by a dodgt aftermarket battery which was badged as OEM.
I'm not a huge fan of WM but it reliably runs memory map which I need for the digital Ordnance Survey maps I have. I like having a physical keyboard and a processor speed which doesn't empty the battery too quickly, so the TP2 seems to tick the boxes.
Then I read here that I can also boot Android or Ubuntu on it. Happy days, I've been hacking around with linux since the 90's. I have a couple of upfront questions about the best options to use but I'll do some more reading around before I muddy the grass with my size 11's.

map-maker said:
Hi all,
I have bought a new in the box Touch Pro 2 which should be with me soon. I used to have a T-mobile (UK) tied Touch Diamond which had it's screen backlight fried by a dodgt aftermarket battery which was badged as OEM.
I'm not a huge fan of WM but it reliably runs memory map which I need for the digital Ordnance Survey maps I have. I like having a physical keyboard and a processor speed which doesn't empty the battery too quickly, so the TP2 seems to tick the boxes.
Then I read here that I can also boot Android or Ubuntu on it. Happy days, I've been hacking around with linux since the 90's. I have a couple of upfront questions about the best options to use but I'll do some more reading around before I muddy the grass with my size 11's.
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Hello and welcome to the forums.
Hope you enjoy your Touch Pro2 experience. Feel free to look around and ask questions if you have some.
I'm pretty sure after a while you're going to change your rom. We have plenty of different flavors here made by skilled chefs. It's a pity that the development has really go down this year.

Jackos said:
Hello and welcome to the forums.
Hope you enjoy your Touch Pro2 experience. Feel free to look around and ask questions if you have some.
I'm pretty sure after a while you're going to change your rom. We have plenty of different flavors here made by skilled chefs. It's a pity that the development has really go down this year.
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Hi Jackos and thanks for the welcome. Yes, I can see the TP2 is yesterdays technology now, but might be ideal for my needs - 1.5Ghz whizzy processors eat battery! Plus I just bought a brand new device for about 1/3 of the price of a second user Desire Z...
I'll be looking to install a light footprint and economical ROM. I actually enjoy getting the best out of obsolete hardware, and sleuthing the info needed to do it.
I even managed to get some old 5 1/4" IBM SCSI hard drives running on some SUN 4M architecture kit under Red Hat for Sparc. Playing guess the heads/cylinders numbers is probably nearly as exciting as flashing your first smartphone ROM.
By the way, I tried to get to Wrocław last year to go walking in the Tatra mountains, but was denied by the icelandic ash cloud.

Jackos said:
Hello and welcome to the forums.
Hope you enjoy your Touch Pro2 experience. Feel free to look around and ask questions if you have some.
I'm pretty sure after a while you're going to change your rom. We have plenty of different flavors here made by skilled chefs. It's a pity that the development has really go down this year.
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There ARE a lot of Roms available. Thanks to the developers to give us so many choices. But it is hard for a noob to choose one. Anyways, I just got my TP2 as well and I am reading a bunch of different posts here to know how to play with my new toy.

Himalayas said:
There ARE a lot of Roms available. Thanks to the developers to give us so many choices. But it is hard for a noob to choose one. Anyways, I just got my TP2 as well and I am reading a bunch of different posts here to know how to play with my new toy.
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Hi Himalayas and welcome. My TP2 just arrived today, it's a RHOD100 (hurrah!) and I'm letting it fully charge before I play. It looks like one of the energy ROM's is the one to go for, especially if you're planning to run Android too. Not that I know anything much yet.

Well, my lady took an instant shine to my TP2 and offered a swap for her HTC Desire - she can't deal with the touchscreen keyboard very well and loves the TP2 physical qwerty. So I downloaded MM-Tracker and loaded a chunk of an OS map for our area. It 'just_works' (tm) so I guess I'll be learning a lot about Android now.
She might miss a few Android apps so I may be back to play with flashing an energyROM and loading up froyo at some point.
Cheers.

welcome!