i have been around xda for awhile now (owning the Tilt 2) and found that many people have lost hope in the Android project. Some say that the internal hardware is just to "old" to play decent games on the android marketplace. But when i look at the tech specs for the Rhodium and see a 528 mhz processor with 512 mb of ram, i question myself. Obviously not as impressive as other phones now a days, but lets take the Ipod touch 2nd generation for instance. The hardware inside both devices seem to replicate one another (i mean acccording the tech specs the ipod touch is clocked at 533 mhz but isnt the Blazn android clocked at 700 mhz or plus!) maybe its a graphic card issue (correct me if im wrong), but i dont find this hardware that "old." I personally own a Ipod touch 2g and it runs games beautifully, but then again, it could be the os. Tell me if my thinking is totally off, or is there hope in the Rhodium android dev.
Also, it seems like the HTC leo (HD2) android dev went up quick and works 99% perfect (or should a say evo status without the front facing camera?). The possibilty for the Rhodium is greater than what people actually think.
I tend to agree. If you look at the specs on the device, you cant replace all the features it has with anything on the market yet, till the TP3 is out. Its a Saphire on steriods. I wont give this phone up till it breaks. My only wish was a front camera. If we get the camera going, what cant you do with it that a saphire will do
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i have been around xda for awhile now (owning the Tilt 2) and found that many people have lost hope in the Android project. Some say that the internal hardware is just to "old" to play decent games on the android marketplace. But when i look at the tech specs for the Rhodium and see a 528 mhz processor with 512 mb of ram, i question myself. Obviously not as impressive as other phones now a days, but lets take the Ipod touch 2nd generation for instance. The hardware inside both devices seem to replicate one another (i mean acccording the tech specs the ipod touch is clocked at 533 mhz but isnt the Blazn android clocked at 700 mhz or plus!) maybe its a graphic card issue (correct me if im wrong), but i dont find this hardware that "old." I personally own a Ipod touch 2g and it runs games beautifully, but then again, it could be the os. Tell me if my thinking is totally off, or is there hope in the Rhodium android dev.
Also, it seems like the HTC leo (HD2) android dev went up quick and works 99% perfect (or should a say evo status without the front facing camera?). The possibilty for the Rhodium is greater than what people actually think.
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First, the RHOD has 288mb of RAM.... Second, the specs on the HD2 are ridiculously better - similar to most Android phones, hence the porting job for them was a breeze. Plus, they had a dev that was really, really good at disassembling WinMo dll's, so that made the porting job easier for them as well.
We might be able to get it up to a level of the Vogue... but your iPod Touch is a very, very different device from your RHOD. Lot less for your iPod to worry about then your RHOD...
Devs are makin great progress tho, I feel confident we can get it to a level where it would be comparable to a native Android device with similar specs - like the G1.
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Plus, they had a dev that was really, really good at disassembling WinMo dll's, so that made the porting job easier for them as well.
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Maybe some donation (if there is more than >400 euros for overclock tool, we could get more for fully working android) for him would make necessery progress?
I would donate 15 euro, if there are more ppl, we could ask if he is interested.
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Maybe some donation (if there is more than >400 euros for overclock tool, we could get more for fully working android) for him would make necessery progress?
I would donate 15 euro, if there are more ppl, we could ask if he is interested.
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The legendary dev I speak of has helped us immensely already... he doesn't want money.
It's just he doesn't have the device himself, and it's not worth his time working on the RHOD... Already tried to get him a device, he wouldn't have it
Either way, he's a very helpful individual - we just have to go to him with very specific questions/problems, which is being addressed. We're getting there, progress is flying lately.
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The legendary dev I speak of has helped us immensely already... he doesn't want money.
It's just he doesn't have the device himself, and it's not worth his time working on the RHOD... Already tried to get him a device, he wouldn't have it
Either way, he's a very helpful individual - we just have to go to him with very specific questions/problems, which is being addressed. We're getting there, progress is flying lately.
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ahh yes.. the infamous dev has helped us many times. BUT if you read the logs far back enough we did help them plenty of times as well. I guess it was exciting for me specially since having gone through it with the tp2 it was nice to lend a helping hand when the project was in it's infancy stages. The HD2 apparently is far easier to program according to those devs.. they look at the tp2 and wonder why htc made such a beast. It really is a weird device compared to the others we see.
We also went through a rough time losing some key devs this year. Thats never easy for such a small team that has never even met.
still .. we are getting close cheers
It has come a long way in the last 2 months, you guys are doing great! Keep up the good work
Other techies have taken double takes a few times when im playing angry birds on a wimo phone.. Its always entertaining.....
Tech: "Who's playing that darn game"
Me: "Dont look at me, im a wimo guy"
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I purchased a TyTN (T-Mobile Vario II) around six months ago and I was pretty pleased with it. It wasn't perfect (for example, I couldn't re-connect to the Internet without a soft reset) but it was pretty good.
After a lot of hesitation, I upgraded the radio (1.41) and OS (Black 2.5) about a month ago. A couple of days ago I upgraded the OS to Black Shadow. Tonight I added the SMS "fix".
I now believe that I have the best communication device in the world. Seriously. It's wonderful. The functionality is outstanding. I can do almost anything I could possibly want to do with a phone/PDA. E-mail, texting, surfing, phoning, Skyping, gaming, voice recording, reading (Word, PDF), presenting (PowerPoint), photography etc. Did I mention Internet sharing? I can now connect my laptop to the 'Net from almost anywhere in the world.
The only drawbacks that I can see are that it looks a bit like a brick (only because it has a full QWERTY keyboard - which I love), the battery only lasts one day at a time, and it can be a little sluggish at times.
Nothing else comes close and whenever I look for something better I always come away seriously disappointed - and that will include the iPhone when it comes out. We're probably using iPhone v2 (3G, programmable, video calling, Internet sharing, Office compatible, etc.) right now.
whats the point of this thread?
Seems that he wants to praise the device...would be better suited in the general forum?
Sounds like he wants a cookie....
CUSTEL said:
Sounds like he wants a cookie....
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I could not not help it, LMAO
Dont see anything wrong with praising a device
Can you actually blow a phone? Whups, n00b question, when I used the search feature it gave me this thread again. lol
Jin187 said:
Dont see anything wrong with praising a device
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ditto
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Nothing wrong if some one wants to praise their phone .
Here here!
Enough people ***** about their phones in these forums. I for one am glad to hear a success story once in a while.
I think it's a great phone, perhaps the best of the last generation, but there are new toys coming out that show incremental improvements in the technology.
But it's the programmers and hackers that really make Windows Mobile devices fly!
And, re "The best communication device in the world?", surely this is the wife's evil glare? Never fails to get the message over to me, tout suite
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bobbyelliott said:
I now believe that I have the best communication device in the world.
Nothing else comes close and whenever I look for something better I always come away seriously disappointed - and that will include the iPhone when it comes out. We're probably using iPhone v2 (3G, programmable, video calling, Internet sharing, Office compatible, etc.) right now.
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Have you tried the Trinity?
"The best communication device in the world?"
Although my X01HT is not the best performance device in the world, I think it's the ringt device for me.
I dont have a perfect phone or PDA. Nor do I want one.
Else I will never get to replace a new one every few months!
Yes, it's a great phone!
...but we still need to file that original post under "NooB-gasm"!
Perhaps we could start a special "H-TaCy" thread for these posts.
Just kidding.
You know, in this day and age with so many Prematurely-released feature-rich gadgets, the marketing teams usually win the consumers over and poor tech support kills all the hope of the devices reaching their potential. I've been had by ASUS a few times on PDAs/phones.
It's really nice to have a great group of people like we find here (who are putting in all the grunt work) who can help us GET OUR MONEY'S WORTH (SO RARE THESE DAYS!!), especially on the language-change issues!
_My_ thanks goes out to HTC for making good products and to the FOLKS HERE for making it great! It's quite possible he sort of meant the same thing. When the vibrator stops working, he may one day realize this.
-J Cat
Lol... be nice guys.
I have to say I was quietly smiling to myself when I heard about the Iphone's 3rd party development support - through Safari widgets. Yippee
I've said it before and I'll say it again - the Windows Mobile phones are great because people like the endless genii on this board make them great and customise the hell out of them.
HTC makes nice hardware, and the two together work well. Many OEMs make nice hardware now, look at the Japanese only devices for true innovation. But, Hermes is a nice, stable device. Shame about the GPS, it would have been near perfect (for its generation).
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Perfect without GPS
Perfect? Well.... Well if it was faster, had 128 MB of storage. Had room for SD and MicroSD (4GB please) and if it had GPS, maybe it would be approaching perfect.
Now Heather Graham is perfect! http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001287/
May I have a cookie too?
Mark
Perfect without GPS
Sorry if that is a N00b post.
The TyTN is a fantastic communications device, I keep my interior life on it and it entertains me when I'm bored!
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Perfect? Well.... Well if it was faster, had 128 MB of storage. Had room for SD and MicroSD (4GB please) and if it had GPS, maybe it would be approaching perfect.
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I agree with some of this... ample RAM and an 800Mhz CPU would suit me. Add GPS and a 5MP camera and it would be my perfect device.
Ohh yeah and a mini projector built into the top of the phone so I could aim it at a wall and project my films so I had a larger view!
I would like the top projector on the device to project on air rather than the wall as well as would like TyTn to perform as a new "surface" where u can just put any bar coded device on its screen and have all the contents sorted out...plus I would also like it to work as a fax and also GPS and so the list goes on and on...
In reality, I use it only for the voice calling and nothing else... and for that my nokia 3100 was perfect with 7 days plus battery life....
Sorry for the rant...
N900 seems superior to the TP2 in every way except the keyboard, is anyone else thinking about getting an n900? 5 megapixel camera with dual led flash, decent keyboard, fast processor, great multimedia capabilities, upnp, 32gb built in with sd expansion... what does the touch pro 2 have over it?
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... what does the touch pro 2 have over it?
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The N900 seems like a nice phone, but I prefer the stylus, hand writing recognition, windows mobile, and XDA support that the TP2 has to offer.
I got a TP2, waiting to get N900 when it's release. Do what I do, then you wont have to decide between 2 phones lol.
Agree with sakshaug007
Strange...
Coming to an HTC specialized forum like XDA to say that n900 is better?
Don't really think so...it has symbian on it...
TP2 with WM is just great!
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Agree with sakshaug007
Strange...
Coming to an HTC specialized forum like XDA to say that n900 is better?
Don't really think so...it has symbian on it...
TP2 with WM is just great!
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no symbian... maemo... and my father has a TP2 which I've been customizing for him and playing with and I agree it's an awesome phone. I wouldn't mind having either one, but the N900 clearly has superior hardware except for keyboard
ok maemo whatever, is not WM...
And hardware keyboard is more than enough to go for it!
Sorry, I got to say that these "this versus that" topics are useless. Don't let a couple of forum users sway your opinion. There are numerous text/video reviews of the TP2. And when the N900 releases, it will receive the same treatment from reviewers. Make your own decision based on your needs and preferences.
And forget specs. Just check out that monstrosity that Toshiba made (TG01).
For me TP2 is a better choice than Nokia. The large touchscreen, qwerty keyboard. And I got diamond 2. I like it very much. So if I have to choose one, I'd get HTC. I even don't know how to change message tones on n900.
The deciding fact is people themselves not the phones.
I will definitely get the N900 once it's released in the US and after the initial price drop. The TP2 will be my back up phone.
Maemo (true Linux OS) + faster processor (OMAP3) + more RAM (256MB & 768MB virtual) + more space (32GB) + better camera
i prefer tp2
tp2 is my choice
I had a N800, and I think the major problems with it were lack of developers and the high price tag for the N810. Maybe the N900 will spur new Maemo growth with subsidized prices, but the MSRP needs to go down a lot. It's fun to be able to run Debian on a mobile device, just not all that useful at the end of the day (for me, at least).
Other than that, I think we can all agree that the TP2 needs a better camera and flash.
True, the TP2 is lacking, but the N900 won't have 3G in the States, I believe, not that there's a lot out available anyways...
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True, the TP2 is lacking, but the N900 won't have 3G in the States, I believe, not that there's a lot out available anyways...
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It has T-mobile 3g bands
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It has T-mobile 3g bands
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Yeap and it's just perfect for me
I think both are great "phones", so everyone needs to decide for themselves. That having siad: it has been stated on a website (fprgot the URTL) that the N900 only has landscape view and no portrait. If that is true, then the N900 is not a real replacement/competito to the TP2
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I think both are great "phones", so everyone needs to decide for themselves. That having siad: it has been stated on a website (fprgot the URTL) that the N900 only has landscape view and no portrait. If that is true, then the N900 is not a real replacement/competito to the TP2
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I haven't heard that, but even the N800/N810 could do rotation through a switching app (through a kernel hack). And I thought the N900 was supposed to have an accelerometer. It worked quite well on the N8x even without one...
I think a lot of features for the n900 are forthcoming, they just wanted to release it asap... as far as rotation they said that devs are free to include it into their apps, weather it is integrated on the ui level remains to be seen.
Two things concern me though, the lack of buttons which the tp2 has, and the lack of XDA support... I don't know how talented the maemo developers are but I don't imagine they are as good as some of the guys here... time will tell
the standard view of the N900 is landscape, so you need (extra) software to rotate it to portrait, which is IMHO cumbersome.
For the rest I agree with RTbar
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ok maemo whatever, is not WM...
And hardware keyboard is more than enough to go for it!
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orb3000 said:
Agree with sakshaug007
Strange...
Coming to an HTC specialized forum like XDA to say that n900 is better?
Don't really think so...it has symbian on it...
TP2 with WM is just great!
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You are assuming that everyone is as much a wm fanboy as yourself. We get that your pro wm but to say that he cant come into an htc forum and tell hem what he can and cant say....Thats just being thick and limited on your part. What do you think of Android on HTC phones!? Go to the Hero section and say that too then.
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Sorry, I got to say that these "this versus that" topics are useless. Don't let a couple of forum users sway your opinion. There are numerous text/video reviews of the TP2. And when the N900 releases, it will receive the same treatment from reviewers. Make your own decision based on your needs and preferences.
And forget specs. Just check out that monstrosity that Toshiba made (TG01).
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Why would these topics be useless. He is a asking a legitamate question. He is torn between phones and asking knowledgeable community what they think. Many others may be on the fence about which phone to get.
Also I see that when asked about specs on the tp2 (which are ****) the common tp2 enthusiasts defensive is to compare a device loaded with specs but **** on gui like the TG01. Come on, like that is the only device that is has better specs as yet. Check out the B7610 omnia pro.
@ ORB Stop being so limited, Its competition. You want other phones to be better to increase competition, hence HTC will keep pumping out phones that are better and better. IE nvidia v. ATI. SEE QUOTE not directed at PILOT
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okay
A, orb3000, we all know this is a htc forum, but we still like to be kept abreast of the latest technology, we want people like newforce to post this type of news as it gives us an idea of what hardware other manufacterers are putting in the devices
so when u write "Not of much interest here as we dedicate to HTC devices only", this just isnt true as we want this type of info to keep us clued in.
just because this is a htc devices forum doesnt mean we dont want people to contirbute news on other hardware.
B, NewForce, this is and always has been a htc device thread and its not changing anytime soon
but like i said above posts can be made on other hardware models unless its a post asking for a forum
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ME WANT D:
mine is a tmobile one
ME WANT ME WANT D:!!!
this is the facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/pages/We-want-Windows-Phone-7-on-Our-Htc-Touch-Pro-2-NOW/162988837078172?v=wall
Let's start making noise!!!
atomiq said:
ME WANT D:
mine is a tmobile one
ME WANT ME WANT D:!!!
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it is good to want. one always desires what they cant have.
sh4d0w86.
The best you can get on a Touch Pro2 is a Windows 7 theme, which can be had from all over the site. One appeared on the frontpage recently, I believe. Neither Microsoft nor any other company will ever release an official update for this device to bring it to Windows 7. There are hardware requirements for the operating system that the Rhodium does not meet. The two biggest ones being the lack of a 1GHz processor and a capacitive touch screen. Without those two components, this operating system will never, ever make its way to the Rhodium platform. Your best bet will be to get the HTC 7 Pro when it makes its way into retail stores. This is basically the TP2 with the hardware requirements for WP7.
i know but they could make a Lite version for us at least, and work with what we have, i'm sure something can be done. i'm so tired of wm 6.5 and the slugishness, and crappy apps for wm, perfect example the facebook app, we dont even have an official app of pandora etc etc. when i tried the Xdandroid it felt so different, smoother and faster (even without the cancerous overclock).
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i know but they could make a Lite version for us at least, and work with what we have, i'm sure something can be done. i'm so tired of wm 6.5 and the slugishness, and crappy apps for wm, perfect example the facebook app, we dont even have an official app of pandora etc etc. when i tried the Xdandroid it felt so different, smoother and faster (even without the cancerous overclock).
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You're missing the point. The UI isn't too heavy for us. There are hard coded requirements in the OS. If the device doesn't meet them, it will not run. The OS will not function without a capacitive touch screen, 1 GHz processor, or a minimum of 8GB of storage. You are asking for the impossible here. The other matter is with the SD cards. WP7 bonds the SD card to the device in a sort of RAID 0 array. This means you would have to hard reset your device anytime you removed the SD card. That's why the WP7 devices hide the SD cards from the user. This isn't a matter of the company not paying attention to its customers, it simply isn't possible for them to put this OS on our devices. The only WM6 device that is even capable of running WP7 is the HD2.
It's rumored that the HTC 7Pro should be out next quarter. Maybe you should just wait for that. It's basically the TP2 with the specs needed for running WP7.
I don't really think the hardware is the problem, I think they dont want to take the time to figure out how to get wp7 (basically titatinium on steriods) to work on 6.5 devices.
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I don't really think the hardware is the problem
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You have any actual knowledge/facts to back that up? Just saying something doesn't make it so. I think its been pointed out on these forums that WP7 is written for a different ARM processor than older WM versions.
And the poll choices are dumb. Not wanting something that is impossible and will never happen does not make one a conformist.
hahaha, its as if developers are Santa Clause or something. Maybe if your good enough, one of them will provide us with a perfect android/winmo 6.5 and 7 SUPER port! Ya know, because of course the newest technology can be put on 2 year old phones.... its just that the the darn DEVELOPERS are tooo LAZY!!!
hopefully it is the sarcasm is noted.
Before you start saying "i want, I want"
maybe you should study your device and the software/hardware it came with. Its actually good to do these things BEFORE you buy the device. you see, i have a touchpro2 as well, and it is indeed the perfect device for my needs. and though it aint an EVO, i wouldnt define it as sluggish. but I guess you just have to know how to use your equipment if you want it to work right.
and i like how the "no, im conformist" vote is winning.
bro....maybe you should just get an iphone or something. i dont wanna see you ruin perfectly good htc devices.
Well, I mean, if you guys want to get completely rewrite WP7 for the Rhodium's processor, go for it! As has been said before, system requirements are not met and the actual OS is written for a different kind of processor. WP7 will never be more then a idea for our phones unfortunately. Rhods' processors are only around half of what WP7 needs bare minimum, and at most can be OC'd to 768 mb/ 787mb, about 3/4 of the minimum. Aside from the lack of the ram, space, hardware support, and really just any basis to go on, it should be easy to port. Not.
Hate to sound like a pessimist or a jerk, but before you guys go around talking about how you think it's not a hardware problem or that "someone could do it", maybe you should read up on the idea.
And before anyone asks, WP7 was ported to the HD2 because an HD2 and an HD7 are, from what I heard, almost identical hardware wise. Plus, the HD2 met the running hardware requirements.
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I don't really think the hardware is the problem, I think they dont want to take the time to figure out how to get wp7 (basically titatinium on steriods) to work on 6.5 devices.
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Crap in one hand and wish in the other. See which one fills up faster.
Mods this thread should be closed...
I have a touch pro 2, and I know deep down inside that it's crappy CPU (that was outdated when the phone was new) would not be able to handle Windows Phone 7.
Anyone who says it's not the hardware on the TP2 is 100% wrong, it's all about the hardware, CPU, memory, buttons, this is why it can't run WP7.
Even if it COULD be ported, it would be slugish and would never be as smooth as a WP7 phone. WP7 is about the experiance, what is the point if your going to put it on a a device that will not give it.
Just install this theme...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=859799
It really gets as close as your going to get (look at the end of the thread, there are new updates to files) with a Touch Pro 2.
I'm one who dreams for it to work but, no one is going to re-write all that code for a old outdated disco'd phone.
If your on T-mobile, sell your TP2 and get a HD7, done...
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Mods this thread should be closed...
I have a touch pro 2, and I know deep down inside that it's crappy CPU (that was outdated when the phone was new) would not be able to handle Windows Phone 7.
Anyone who says it's not the hardware on the TP2 is 100% wrong, it's all about the hardware, CPU, memory, buttons, this is why it can't run WP7.
Even if it COULD be ported, it would be slugish and would never be as smooth as a WP7 phone. WP7 is about the experiance, what is the point if your going to put it on a a device that will not give it.
Just install this theme...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=859799
It really gets as close as your going to get (look at the end of the thread, there are new updates to files) with a Touch Pro 2.
I'm one who dreams for it to work but, no one is going to re-write all that code for a old outdated disco'd phone.
If your on T-mobile, sell your TP2 and get a HD7, done...
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You know quite a bit, including how to tell the mods to do their jobs. Sounds like a Napoleon complex
Wow, I like that suggested threads graphic up there. I'm pretty sure I'm posting in the right place. Anyway, I buy the landscape qwerty sliders from HTC off-contract and they're totally not worth it unless one finds this site and has excellent reading comprehension.
I love my Rhodium, but ARM v6 is slow even when it's OC'd to 806 MHz. It doesn't have enough RAM and I'd like a better LCD, preferably a nice new IPS display. I do not want a 4.3" giant thing in my pocket; I usually wear lots of pockets because it's good to be prepared where I live and I hate how much space something like a Supersonic or Leo consumes. I also require a keyboard. I don't like Android because WinMo has a pretty good learning curve and I had fun learning it. 28244 ftw.
Anyway, I know HTC isn't going to make anymore landscape qwerty sliders with 6.5.x on them. So, I have to switch to Android or hopefully maybe WP7 soonish in order to procure my 45nm or smaller process SoC, 512MB+ of LPDDR2 or better, a fu**ing headphone jack without an adapter that makes me afraid I'll trip on it and destroy my miniUSB port again, and preferably some of this Cortex A9 goodness with some Adreno 220 sprinkled on top. If HTC makes it and it has a keyboard, I will probably buy it as soon as I can find one that does HSPA on 850/1900 MHz. They'll have to pry my actually unlimited HSPA for $30 USD/mo out of my cold/dead hands. Google scares me a bit more than Microsoft and I really don't want Google knowing everything I do with my phone and where I go.
So, do folks like Olipro, cmonex, Da-G, and similar company think it's feasible to get the level of customization and ability to tether via USB or Wifi that is presently available with 6.5.x on WP7? I know we're not supposed to talk about piracy, but as a student it's already a pain to buy these phones without a contract and they don't even sell garmin for WM5+ anymore. I'm a big fan of hacking expensive hardware and software so I hope the devs can crack it.
Hopefully M$ hires some people from here and their mobile offerings might get a bit higher market penetration. I like finding people that have WinMo phones from HTC and tricking it out and showing them Sprite backup after flash and configuration to get back to a clean slate that's ready to go when WinMo inevitably fu*ks itself and requires a hard reset.
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Wow, I like that suggested threads graphic up there. I'm pretty sure I'm posting in the right place. Anyway, I buy the landscape qwerty sliders from HTC off-contract and they're totally not worth it unless one finds this site and has excellent reading comprehension.
I love my Rhodium, but ARM v6 is slow even when it's OC'd to 806 MHz. It doesn't have enough RAM and I'd like a better LCD, preferably a nice new IPS display. I do not want a 4.3" giant thing in my pocket; I usually wear lots of pockets because it's good to be prepared where I live and I hate how much space something like a Supersonic or Leo consumes. I also require a keyboard. I don't like Android because WinMo has a pretty good learning curve and I had fun learning it. 28244 ftw.
Anyway, I know HTC isn't going to make anymore landscape qwerty sliders with 6.5.x on them. So, I have to switch to Android or hopefully maybe WP7 soonish in order to procure my 45nm or smaller process SoC, 512MB+ of LPDDR2 or better, a fu**ing headphone jack without an adapter that makes me afraid I'll trip on it and destroy my miniUSB port again, and preferably some of this Cortex A9 goodness with some Adreno 220 sprinkled on top. If HTC makes it and it has a keyboard, I will probably buy it as soon as I can find one that does HSPA on 850/1900 MHz. They'll have to pry my actually unlimited HSPA for $30 USD/mo out of my cold/dead hands. Google scares me a bit more than Microsoft and I really don't want Google knowing everything I do with my phone and where I go.
So, do folks like Olipro, cmonex, Da-G, and similar company think it's feasible to get the level of customization and ability to tether via USB or Wifi that is presently available with 6.5.x on WP7? I know we're not supposed to talk about piracy, but as a student it's already a pain to buy these phones without a contract and they don't even sell garmin for WM5+ anymore. I'm a big fan of hacking expensive hardware and software so I hope the devs can crack it.
Hopefully M$ hires some people from here and their mobile offerings might get a bit higher market penetration. I like finding people that have WinMo phones from HTC and tricking it out and showing them Sprite backup after flash and configuration to get back to a clean slate that's ready to go when WinMo inevitably fu*ks itself and requires a hard reset.
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WP7 is not the OS for you then. At least for now
i think given your level of customisations and other specifics, an android device may be more appropriate for you as suggested by the previous poster.
as much as i am for windows phone, and it covers most things in one form or another, such as headphone jack, screen size variant, slide out keyboard (htc 7 pro or dell venue pro are the ones you want to look at for wp7 devices)... it doesn't cover the level of customisation that wm6.5 offered (because they want to keep it more consistant of a user experience), and tethering via usb can really only be done via backdoor, and not officially supported.
in terms of hacks though, MS aren't against homebrew community, but they want to protect devs who actually dev for a living, and hence you have 1 market place. windows phone 7 is designed so you don't have to do all the flashing anymore, but in saying that, it's also designed to be more consistant between devices, which results in a more fluid experience.
keep in mind as well that using a windows phone in an unsupported country also results in things such as market place not being available and that (meaning you have to create a new windows live account and setting it to US, and also adjusting your PC and phone to the same).
From 6.5
I have had my Focus since Dember 27th, 2010. Before that, was with WM since it's launch and lived to flash. I was constantly on these forums looking for updates to applications, tools to make it easier to flash, and flashing new radios and ROMs. It bacame a major part of my life and I considered it necessary in order to get my phone to look the way I wanted it and TRY to be fluid and fast. I went to my Focus and those days are over. I now know all of that activity was unnecessary and wasted, at least for me. If you live for that type of thing, I am happy for you. But my Focus is smooth, fast, logical and just works. The "missing" things just don't matter, with the exception of possibly multi-tasking and Flash support in IE. The other things people complain of may have been important to me when I was tied to WM 6.5, but not now. They just aren't important when weighed against the benefits of WP7.
My humble view.
Hi all,
I have bought a new in the box Touch Pro 2 which should be with me soon. I used to have a T-mobile (UK) tied Touch Diamond which had it's screen backlight fried by a dodgt aftermarket battery which was badged as OEM.
I'm not a huge fan of WM but it reliably runs memory map which I need for the digital Ordnance Survey maps I have. I like having a physical keyboard and a processor speed which doesn't empty the battery too quickly, so the TP2 seems to tick the boxes.
Then I read here that I can also boot Android or Ubuntu on it. Happy days, I've been hacking around with linux since the 90's. I have a couple of upfront questions about the best options to use but I'll do some more reading around before I muddy the grass with my size 11's.
map-maker said:
Hi all,
I have bought a new in the box Touch Pro 2 which should be with me soon. I used to have a T-mobile (UK) tied Touch Diamond which had it's screen backlight fried by a dodgt aftermarket battery which was badged as OEM.
I'm not a huge fan of WM but it reliably runs memory map which I need for the digital Ordnance Survey maps I have. I like having a physical keyboard and a processor speed which doesn't empty the battery too quickly, so the TP2 seems to tick the boxes.
Then I read here that I can also boot Android or Ubuntu on it. Happy days, I've been hacking around with linux since the 90's. I have a couple of upfront questions about the best options to use but I'll do some more reading around before I muddy the grass with my size 11's.
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Hello and welcome to the forums.
Hope you enjoy your Touch Pro2 experience. Feel free to look around and ask questions if you have some.
I'm pretty sure after a while you're going to change your rom. We have plenty of different flavors here made by skilled chefs. It's a pity that the development has really go down this year.
Jackos said:
Hello and welcome to the forums.
Hope you enjoy your Touch Pro2 experience. Feel free to look around and ask questions if you have some.
I'm pretty sure after a while you're going to change your rom. We have plenty of different flavors here made by skilled chefs. It's a pity that the development has really go down this year.
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Hi Jackos and thanks for the welcome. Yes, I can see the TP2 is yesterdays technology now, but might be ideal for my needs - 1.5Ghz whizzy processors eat battery! Plus I just bought a brand new device for about 1/3 of the price of a second user Desire Z...
I'll be looking to install a light footprint and economical ROM. I actually enjoy getting the best out of obsolete hardware, and sleuthing the info needed to do it.
I even managed to get some old 5 1/4" IBM SCSI hard drives running on some SUN 4M architecture kit under Red Hat for Sparc. Playing guess the heads/cylinders numbers is probably nearly as exciting as flashing your first smartphone ROM.
By the way, I tried to get to Wrocław last year to go walking in the Tatra mountains, but was denied by the icelandic ash cloud.
Jackos said:
Hello and welcome to the forums.
Hope you enjoy your Touch Pro2 experience. Feel free to look around and ask questions if you have some.
I'm pretty sure after a while you're going to change your rom. We have plenty of different flavors here made by skilled chefs. It's a pity that the development has really go down this year.
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There ARE a lot of Roms available. Thanks to the developers to give us so many choices. But it is hard for a noob to choose one. Anyways, I just got my TP2 as well and I am reading a bunch of different posts here to know how to play with my new toy.
Himalayas said:
There ARE a lot of Roms available. Thanks to the developers to give us so many choices. But it is hard for a noob to choose one. Anyways, I just got my TP2 as well and I am reading a bunch of different posts here to know how to play with my new toy.
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Hi Himalayas and welcome. My TP2 just arrived today, it's a RHOD100 (hurrah!) and I'm letting it fully charge before I play. It looks like one of the energy ROM's is the one to go for, especially if you're planning to run Android too. Not that I know anything much yet.
Well, my lady took an instant shine to my TP2 and offered a swap for her HTC Desire - she can't deal with the touchscreen keyboard very well and loves the TP2 physical qwerty. So I downloaded MM-Tracker and loaded a chunk of an OS map for our area. It 'just_works' (tm) so I guess I'll be learning a lot about Android now.
She might miss a few Android apps so I may be back to play with flashing an energyROM and loading up froyo at some point.
Cheers.
welcome!