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3 in 1 Adapter or Micro USB to ExtUSB Adapter

Hello everyone,
Very happy with my EVO 4G and was looking for an adapter that will allow me to hook up a 3.5mm and charging cables in the car. I know I can do that by just plugging the audio cable on top and the charging cable in the bottom but I am looking for a more clean solution that will allow me to plug both cables at the bottom.
I have the 3 in 1 Adapter pictured below from my previous HTC windows phone but the end that connects to the phone is ExtUSB. If you guys know an adapter that goes from Micro USB to ExtUSB that will help as well. I am assuming that this would allow me to use the current adapter I have.
Thank you in advance for your help!!
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I am looking for the same thing. I had an adapter for my Hero that would plug into the bottom USB and had power and headphone out on it.
I am trying to find something similiar for the Evo.

It would be interesting to see if the newer 3.5mm phones are even ready for this function, as there is typically a second set of pins dedicated to this function

Doing some additional research and found this adapter for sale:
http://www.ecrater.com/p/8124399/micro-usb-plug-for-htc-s900
Don't know if it will work with the EVO.

donjgmz said:
Doing some additional research and found this adapter for sale:
http://www.ecrater.com/p/8124399/micro-usb-plug-for-htc-s900
Don't know if it will work with the EVO.
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The Touch Pro was the phone I used to have (on AT&T called the Fuze)...And it used ExtUSB. So no, this adapter won't work as it's doing the same thing the one the OP showed is doing.
Frankly I think it's funny that you guys want a single cable when for years the average joe has been pushing the manufacturers to have standard 3.5mm cables. I don't think that these phones have the capability to push their audio over the standard microUSB connector (ExtUSB is 11 pins, 5 of which are custom for HTC dedicated to audio).

phobos512 said:
The Touch Pro was the phone I used to have (on AT&T called the Fuze)...And it used ExtUSB. So no, this adapter won't work as it's doing the same thing the one the OP showed is doing.
Frankly I think it's funny that you guys want a single cable when for years the average joe has been pushing the manufacturers to have standard 3.5mm cables. I don't think that these phones have the capability to push their audio over the standard microUSB connector (ExtUSB is 11 pins, 5 of which are custom for HTC dedicated to audio).
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I want both, I want the single cable because it's easier (and safer, less risk of breaking the phone) to have one cable plugged in for everything in the car instead of having to plug/unplug something to the and bottom every time you get in/out of the car. I had one on my vogue(because it had no 3.5mm jack) and it was very nice to just be able to flick it out with my thumbnail when i went to get out.
The one for my vogue had 4 ports, data usb, htc usb headset, 3.5mm, 2,5mm. I would try it in my vogue but it's got a funky squareish mini usb plug on it so my converter doesn't work.

I've been looking for the same thing as the threadstarter!
I have a really clean set up in my car with a clean wired-in dash mount and a single extUSB cable with a nice right-angle keeping the cable tucked away and nearly out if site. It charges my phone plays audio through an extra input on my stereo deck (AUX input on rear of deck).
I was pretty frustrated that HTC moved to Micro USB over extUSB since it breaks what has been working for my since i've had the HTC Touch and Hero. Now I have to go and change everything.
If a Micro USB audio/charger adapter EVER COMES OUT I'll connect it and pair it with this to keep my single cable setup working awesomely:
http://www.usbfirewire.com/Parts/rr-mcbl-ext-xxg.html
Does anybody know if the Micro USB implementation on the EVO has audio wired in to it? I think the Nexus one's does.

Has anyone been able to confirm or deny whether you can get audio out of the micro USB port? What I really want probably isn't possible, but I want to be able to plug a regular micro USB cable from my phone to a USB port that will be flush mounted on my console, and under the console would be an adapter to split audio and power. I do appreciate the audio jack on the top, but it would make for a much cleaner install in the car if you could run a single cable. If no one has even tried it yet, I may buy the cables and adapters and see what happens. They're not that expensive..
Speaking of clean installs in the car.. if you haven't heard of them, check out kuda mounts. I just ordered one, and as soon as I get it installed, I'll post some pics. They're kind of expensive, but if you don't like the mounts with a suction cup on the windshield, or the ones that clip onto the A/C vents, the kuda mounts really are the best option..assuming they make one for your car.

I just ordered a mini usb version from deal extreme, I'll tear it down and wire it into micro usb and see what I can get out of the EVO (probably be a week or so before I get my hardware)

I found micro usb head sets on ebay that say they work on Evo, so that's good enough for me. I'm wondering if I could plug a regular data cable into this: http://www.meritline.com/female-miniusb-female-usb-adapter-472---p-30323.aspx (if I can find a place that has them in stock) and then plug my old touch pro adapter into that. I'm not too optimistic about it working, but it would be cool if it did.

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I found micro usb head sets on ebay that say they work on Evo, so that's good enough for me. I'm wondering if I could plug a regular data cable into this: http://www.meritline.com/female-miniusb-female-usb-adapter-472---p-30323.aspx (if I can find a place that has them in stock) and then plug my old touch pro adapter into that. I'm not too optimistic about it working, but it would be cool if it did.
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A lot of those converters are power only, be weary.

Has any one figured this out yet? I just ditched my iphone 3g and returned the 4 for an EVO. I had apples composite cables with USB on it so I could put in the dock connector then i have a custom cig lighter with USB on accessory power behind the dash and the red/white leads going into the back of my deck for left and right audio. Worked flawlessly on both iphones. Looking for a way to have the USB on the EVO do the same thing. If anyone finds a cord or a slew of adapter I can throw behind my radio, let me know lol.
I miss streaming internet radio in my car (DI.FM is the ****). *For now I'm using my old iPhone 3G(no service) plugged into my existing setup and tethered to my EVO's rooted wifi hotspot to stream the radio. I know its janky, but only way I know atm.

This is not what most of you guys are after at all, but I'll put it out there nonetheless because of how well it's worked for me, so it's an alternative worth considering. I've been using this Kensington adapter/doohickey for a while, at first with my iPod touch ('till I got tired of not being able to skip songs w/the remote, iOS bug), then w/my SE feature phone, and now w/my EVO.
It's called the Kensington LiquidAux, it's basically just a small Bluetooth adapter, the size of a USB charger (in fact it IS a USB charger, more on that in a bit), that goes into your cig lighter, and it has a standard 3.5mm cable that you plug into your AuxIn on your deck. As you may have guessed, audio is piped in from your phone to your stereo over Bluetooth via the adapter, it doubles as a handsfree kit, and when you want to charge your phone there's also a USB port for charging devices right from the LiquidAux (port's on the bottom), quite clever.
As long as you don't mind using BT to pipe audio into your aux in (sounds pretty clear, FWIW), this would still allow you to use just one cable (for charging), or none at all if you don't need to charge at the time. I play music on my car w/this all the time and frankly it's not much of a battery drain so I only use it to charge the phone when I've been using WiFi tethering mid-day, or when I'll be using the GPS, or w/e.
I attached the wireless remote it comes with to my steering wheel but not w/the included strap, altho it works quite well (but doesn't look very slick). I tucked it into a nook on the left hand side of my Civic's steering wheel with double sided tape (it's not visible at all, almost looks stock).
The mic isn't the greatest but I didn't buy it to use it as a handsfree device primarily, it's fine for a quick "where are you" or w/e call, not great for longer conversations (my phone's own mic/speaker actually works better in that case). I think I've seen a couple of bad reviews for it online, mostly from iPhone/iPod users that were bugged they couldn't skip tracks (it's a fault of iOS' own Bluetooth profiles, not the device) or complaints about static (if you turn UP your phone's volume and you turn DOWN the car stereo's volume there's no static and bass response, etc remains strong).
It seems to be harder to find online right now, I bought it about a year ago for like $40, I still see it at CompUSA all the time (yes CompUSA re-opened in certain locations). I'd hate to think that Kensington stopped making the standard Bluetooth/smartphone version in lieu of the iPhone/iPod specific version, ugh.
What I love most about the setup is that I just get in the car, hit Play, and I'm good to go... Same as any car w/built-in Bluetooth. I don't even have to take the phone out of my pocket. I used to have a dock and whatnot (for my iPod touch) but I got WAY tired of messing w/all that every time I got in the car, even the simple act of hooking up the 3.5mm cable got tiresome. Someone else out there has got to be making an equivalent BT adapter...

I finally just bought a 3.5mm to RCA adapter for my EVO so I could run the two red/white leads to the back of my radio. (I know I know, no aux port on my GM radio even in the back, but I have an adapter that was cheap that gives me RCA jacks on the back tucked away behind the dash.) Now I got my old iPhone out of the equation, but require the USB car charger + 3.5mm cord to charge and play. I will deal with that for now I guess.

Impulses said:
This is not what most of you guys are after at all, but I'll put it out there nonetheless because of how well it's worked for me, so it's an alternative worth considering. I've been using this Kensington adapter/doohickey for a while, at first with my iPod touch ('till I got tired of not being able to skip songs w/the remote, iOS bug), then w/my SE feature phone, and now w/my EVO.
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Hey, thanks for the suggestion. I had never seen that before now, and it does look great. I google'd the part number (K33428US) and found a few places that have them in stock. I think I'll scrap my previous plans and buy one of these..

If you find something you like that uses mini-USB, you could use this adapter to bridge it to the Evo's micro-USB.
http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Mini..._1_1?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1279685488&sr=8-1
I have one so I can use my wife's Hero charger when she's not using it, cuts down on the plug clutter. It was under $2 when we ordered it.

XtremeMac InCharge Auto BT review/discussion (with pics)

I recieved my Xtrememac incharge BT for use in the car. It's $80 but found it for $18 from nothingbutsoftware.com, strange I couldn't complete the purchase on my iPad. I'm glad it wouldn't let me cause it was $30 on the iPad but then when I shared the URL to my Nexus the price was $18. I purchased it for $18 and recieved it today. The audio quality is amazing! Even better than using 3.5mm jack from phone to aux in! I am using Volume+ but have the same settings for both wired headset and bt. I couldn't be happier with my purchase so I thought I would share. You just plug into the car charger and 3.5 jack into aux in, pair, and your done. No cables to phone and no call quality is great. The aux in part functions as a mic and button to answer/end calls. And the car charger part has a USB port for charging phone, it comes with an iPhone/iPad charger but you can plug in any USB cable for charge. Let me know if you have any questions. Hope someone else enjoys this as much as me.
Here are some pics. Disregard how messy my car is, I didn't have time to clean, vacuum, armor-all and such. I dont have time for much of anything these days cause I work in a tax office and I'm sure you know what that means this time of year. Hell I shouldn't even have time to occupy these forums but what can I say - my hobby. I took these just now spur of the moment to clear up any confusion. Also I took the picks with my GN, of course.
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And just for kicks, here are some NFC tags. The left one toggles BT. The right one toggles from Auto-brightness to Brightness value 0 (completely dim - I hate bright screens). The reason these are not combined into one tag is because at night I dont need to toggle brightness.

About to get this but I'm not seeing the $18 price. Only $ 29.99. Even tried sharing the link

Penutbutter_N_Jelly said:
About to get this but I'm not seeing the $18 price. Only $ 29.99. Even tried sharing the link
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Not sure how I pulled this off.. looked on the iPad and it was $30, couldn't purchase so I used Read It Later to share the link to my Nexus, opened it and it was $18. Surprised the hell out of me too. Maybe it was a glitch!? But I am not going crazy, that is the price I bought it for. Even at $30 its a good purchase and with a retail price of $80 (which is a little ridiculous imo) you cant beat it.

What is the reason for this? At first I thought you plug it into your phone.. but then that made absolutely no sense to me... Do you plug it into your head unit? If I understand correctly, it is for head units that do not have bluetooth?
Wouldn't it be easier / cheaper / better audio quality to just plug Male to Male 3.5mm in?
(I have a pioneer aftermarket head unit with built in bluetooth and have no experience with not having bluetooth.. so my thoughts on the matter are biased).

WiredPirate said:
Not sure how I pulled this off.. looked on the iPad and it was $30, couldn't purchase so I used Read It Later to share the link to my Nexus, opened it and it was $18. Surprised the hell out of me too. Maybe it was a glitch!? But I am not going crazy, that is the price I bought it for. Even at $30 its a good purchase and with a retail price of $80 (which is a little ridiculous imo) you cant beat it.
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Hmm... I got impatient and just ordered on amazon for 25 + free shipping. I was just thinking i need something like this (I despise wires) and when I saw your post this morning all I could think was "I need this!!!"
$18-25... not much of a difference. Like you said, much better than the $80 retail.
Thanks for posting this dude!
raing said:
What is the reason for this? At first I thought you plug it into your phone.. but then that made absolutely no sense to me... Do you plug it into your head unit? If I understand correctly, it is for head units that do not have bluetooth?
Wouldn't it be easier / cheaper / better audio quality to just plug Male to Male 3.5mm in?
(I have a pioneer aftermarket head unit with built in bluetooth and have no experience with not having bluetooth.. so my thoughts on the matter are biased).
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Basically it's to eliminate wires.
My aux input is in my center console (right next to a power port so this works out nice) and when using 3.5mm it just seems sloppy to me with the wire being pinched in the console lid and such...
Hopefully it sounds as good for me as it does for WiredPirate.

raing said:
What is the reason for this? At first I thought you plug it into your phone.. but then that made absolutely no sense to me... Do you plug it into your head unit? If I understand correctly, it is for head units that do not have bluetooth?
Wouldn't it be easier / cheaper / better audio quality to just plug Male to Male 3.5mm in?
(I have a pioneer aftermarket head unit with built in bluetooth and have no experience with not having bluetooth.. so my thoughts on the matter are biased).
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Did you even read the OP? I explained the function - NO WIRES TO PHONE. And I stated that this sounds BETTER than using the 3.5mm cable. Give me a minute and I will take a pic for you.
As far as the Pioneer BT deck I have one as well. Sitting in my closet. I loved it in my Crown Vic but after buying a new off the lot vehicle I couldn't bring myself to tear up the dash, maybe I will in the future, but for now this works great.
Edit: Uploaded some pics for you bud.

Can you link to it on amazon? I cant seem to locate it.

WiredPirate said:
Did you even read the OP? I explained the function - NO WIRES TO PHONE. And I stated that this sounds BETTER than using the 3.5mm cable. Give me a minute and I will take a pic for you.
As far as the Pioneer BT deck I have one as well. Sitting in my closet. I loved it in my Crown Vic but after buying a new off the lot vehicle I couldn't bring myself to tear up the dash, maybe I will in the future, but for now this works great.
Edit: Uploaded some pics for you bud.
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that doesn't make sense to me.
3.5 cable = nexus to car.
Bluetooth = nexus to bluetooth to car... via 3.5 cable.
How could it possibly sound better? the 3.5 cable is still in there plus one extra step

Wiredpirate,
Say you have already set up the BT connection to the phone.
The next time you get in the car, do you have to turn on or press any button to connect or does it automatically search and connect to your phone once you turn on the ignition? TIA

Just to throw this out there, Belkin Aircast is very similar to this:
http://www.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=542721
Definitely more expensive though although you can get it for $30 on sale every now and then. It works exactly the same way except it also has a large button that you can put wherever that acts as a pause/play/answer/hangup button and also houses a microphone in it. I have this setup in my Ford Fiesta and love it.

I just use my MW600 in similar fashion but at least I can use it for headphones when I'm away from the car as well like for jogging or listening to music elsewhere.
Pricier of course but a little bit more versatile. Roughly about 46 bucks.

Knolly said:
Just to throw this out there, Belkin Aircast is very similar to this:
http://www.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=542721
Definitely more expensive though although you can get it for $30 on sale every now and then. It works exactly the same way except it also has a large button that you can put wherever that acts as a pause/play/answer/hangup button and also houses a microphone in it. I have this setup in my Ford Fiesta and love it.
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I was looking at that also, but I read from reviews that you have to press a button to make a connection every time it powers on. Is this true? I'm also turned away by that big button so I'd probably tried to hide it from sight.
Another option is the Griffin BlueTrip, but it is also very pricey.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004KPLS7K/ref=cm_sw_r_an_am_ap_am_us?ie=UTF8
$30 is not bad at all for these types of devices, especially if it has an extra USB port.

Nice. My head unit has BT but not for audio. I wonder if I added this would I still be able ot stream music to the car and then for answering a call, go through my head unit? Anyone have an idea on this?

Here is where mine's going.
Nice and stealth once the lid is down
smot13 said:
Can you link to it on amazon? I cant seem to locate it.
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THIS is the one I ordered
4Pr3mier said:
Wiredpirate,
Say you have already set up the BT connection to the phone.
The next time you get in the car, do you have to turn on or press any button to connect or does it automatically search and connect to your phone once you turn on the ignition? TIA
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I'm wondering this too

Penutbutter_N_Jelly said:
THIS is the one I ordered
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THanks. Will def be checking this out soon

machiz7888 said:
that doesn't make sense to me.
3.5 cable = nexus to car.
Bluetooth = nexus to bluetooth to car... via 3.5 cable.
How could it possibly sound better? the 3.5 cable is still in there plus one extra step
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Sound logic. Regardless, the fact remains that it sounds better/louder. Again I'm using the same setting in Volume plus for both bt and wired.
4Pr3mier said:
Wiredpirate,
Say you have already set up the BT connection to the phone.
The next time you get in the car, do you have to turn on or press any button to connect or does it automatically search and connect to your phone once you turn on the ignition? TIA
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Turn on the ignition, hit the one power/phone/end/answer button located on the plug in to the aux in, and it's auto paired in 3 seconds or less.

WiredPirate said:
Sound logic. Regardless, the fact remains that it sounds better/louder. Again I'm using the same setting in Volume plus for both bt and wired.
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If you charge your phone while it's plugged in via 3.5mm you can get interference due to the phone being grounded or something something. Someone explained it better in the thread about the pogo pin car dock, as that's why the official car dock for the Galaxy Nexus uses BT audio despite being physically connected.
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I was looking at that also, but I read from reviews that you have to press a button to make a connection every time it powers on. Is this true? I'm also turned away by that big button so I'd probably tried to hide it from sight.
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It depends if your cigarette lighter socket turns off and on with the car. If it does go on and off with the car, it'll just auto search for a phone when the car starts. If it always provides power (like mine), you do have to hit the button just once. I mean it's a quick tap I just do it automatically when starting my car now, not a burden to do at all.

WiredPirate said:
Sound logic. Regardless, the fact remains that it sounds better/louder. Again I'm using the same setting in Volume plus for both bt and wired.
Turn on the ignition, hit the one power/phone/end/answer button located on the plug in to the aux in, and it's auto paired in 3 seconds or less.
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Hah love the pun.

Knolly said:
If you charge your phone while it's plugged in via 3.5mm you can get interference due to the phone being grounded or something something. Someone explained it better in the thread about the pogo pin car dock, as that's why the official car dock for the Galaxy Nexus uses BT audio despite being physically connected.
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It's actually very simple to explain. Speaker wires and power wires do not play nice together, anytime you have a power wire and speaker wire parallel to each other or crossing paths in certain ways you will get interference. (it must be a nightmare to the techs that set up for concerts and such). I know this because when I was younger I installed quite a few subs in different vehicles. There are ways to run the wires to reduce/eliminate interference. But do note in the picture, the way this is set up, the cable from the USB charger and the cable running to the aux in do not cross paths. I did use the charger last night while listening to music, no interference. Now if you have the cables all loose and tangled or crossing, I imagine you can expect some, sooo DON'T DO THAT. the same can be said about using a 3.5mm cable and a car charger, if the wires cross paths/ tangle/ whatever, you will get interference.
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Hah love the pun.
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Thank you sir. but in all seriousness I did not expect this to sound as good as it does, much less BETTER than the 3.5mm cable I had previously been using. I guess it's possible this thing has some kind of built in amplification, but I have no idea if it does or not.

4Pr3mier said:
Wiredpirate,
Say you have already set up the BT connection to the phone.
The next time you get in the car, do you have to turn on or press any button to connect or does it automatically search and connect to your phone once you turn on the ignition? TIA
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Turn on the ignition, hit the one power/phone/end/answer button located on the plug in to the aux in, and it's auto paired in 3 seconds or less.
UPDATE: the above statement is true if you already have bt enabled on your phone before starting the ignition. However, if bt is turned off when you start your ignition, the xtremeMac will auto pair up upon enabling bt.

POGO Pins reverse engineering - UPDATE!!!

What we found so far..
Pins counted from bottom of the phone:
1. - GND
2. - Audio Dock output
3. - Audio Dock
4. - Dock ID
5. - Re-charge
Pins functions:
1. - GND: It's a common ground of the phone. Using as "-" while charging, GND or COM for audio signal, physically connected to pin5 [GND] on microusb port
2. - Audio Dock output: In dock mode - analogue audio output (channel left) while playing music. When phone is triggered in dock mode, it can be used to play audio on earphones or connect to external amplifier. During phonecall : speaker out [mono]. In car dock mode - not testet yet. Data transmition - not tested yet.
3. - Audio Dock : In dock mode - analogue audio output (channel right) while playing music. When phone is triggered in dock mode, it can be used to play audio on earphones or connect to external amplifier. During phonecall- [not tested yet]. In car dock mode - not testet yet. Data transmition - not tested yet.
4. - Dock ID : Pin used to informing phone what is connected to it (resistance checking). Working only when pin 5 is connected to +5 volt and pin 1 to GND (when phone is on charging). Connecting pin 4 to GND with resistor 10kOhm trigerring car dock mode (resistor have to be connected all the time). Connecting resistor 1,1kOhm trigerring dock mode, don't have to be all the time, ones dock mode is on, resistor can be disconected, phone will stay in dock mode until power (+5v to pin 5) is connected.
5. - Re-charge : Physically connected to pin1 [VBUS] on microusb port. It's used to charge phone by connecting +5 volt. This is USB charging (500mA max), I'm trying to figured out how to force AC charging on it, but may be not possible, maybe HTC has blocked this funcionality because it can be danger for pogo pin ( 1 A throughput).
Post will be updated when we'll find out something more.
Thanks to: @pehkblui , @neovius and all others trying to help

good post !

I will be following this thread, Sorry I don't have the technical know how to figure out how it works, but if you can get the wiring I do have the tech ability to build one... I am going to buy some pogo pins off ebay and make a dock for my bedside table...

graymonkey44 said:
Fixes for Internal Memory and External SD card are at bottom of post!
May be easier to make a completely new thread instead of people searching through the "s-off discussion" thread.
I'm going to make a huge SD Card post right at the top because it seems like people still are overlooking it in the "s-off discussion" thread... Not trying to be a ****, just making sure people don't lose crucial information on their SD cards...
Don't forget this will format your SD card so save all your contents or use a spare!!! V.02 does not wipe Internal SD anymore.
Here's the link for Instructions:
http://unlimited.io/instructions/
Read the Instructions carefully and thoroughly at least once before attempting. This will temporarily brick your phone. Don't be lazy. Don't forget this will format your SD card so save all your contents or use a spare!!! I used my old 2GB droid incredible sd card for mine...
Some notes:
Make sure back cover is off before running program.
Plug in phone before running program.
Boot phone into ROM before running program, it will automatically boot into fastboot by itself.
Don't do wire trick until after you run the program and tells you to do so!!!
Make sure you have "USB debugging" enabled!
If in Windows, right click program and make sure you click "Run as Administrator"
This post sums up everything nicely...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25154023&postcount=1289
Here's link for wire trick:
http://unlimited.io/htc-rezound/
Wire Tips:
22ga wire fits almost perfect in the lower hole.
Use a piece about 8 inches long and stripped the end for the lower contact about 3/8 of an inch and the other end just a small amount. Did this to two phones and it worked the first time both times.
It was reported that the large coated paper clips work well too.
Others are using odd objects or other weird improvised wires and having a lot of trouble. It seems to be one of the big sticking points.
I honestly used a paperclip and it worked just fine. Not even insulated... even though they don't recommend it: you could use it as a last resort.... or wrap it with an insulated material. I didn't know the paper clip had to be because I was one of the beta testers.
Don't make this mistake either.
If you're not getting it after wire trick, keep trying! Timing is crucial!!!
Don't forget this will format your SD card so save all your contents or use a spare!!!
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Video of Wire Trick:
New ICS hboot should be included in the download now.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25147001&postcount=1141
Pretty much copied everything off the site, but it may be easier to use instead of switch tabs/windows... Good Luck...
Disclaimer: I am not responsible for bricked devices or anything happening to your handset!!!! Just relaying the message
If you're still having issues... The search button is your friend. There's a high chance your problem has already been solved. Either search this thread or the discussion of s-off thread.
Oh yeah... ENJOY S-OFF!!!!!
These guys put in a hell of a lot of effort into doing this process... Any donation would be greatly appreciated!
Donate to JuopunutBear Team!!!
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..this could be interesting?
On the HTC rezound they achieved s-off by pulling off the back cover, taking a wire and short out to pins.

Trying to find good pictures of the One X with back cover off to see if there is a PIN1.

jires said:
What I found so far..
Pins counted from bottom of the phone:
1. - GND
2. - ? (resistance 40 Ohms to COM, audio out?)
3. - ? (resistance 40 Ohms to COM, audio out?)
4. - +1,8V constant voltage when phone turned on (data?)
5. - V+ (charging)
Post will be updated when I'll find out something more.
Can someone make oscilloscope measurements of pins 2,3,4?
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Just probed 2,34 with a scope.
4 constant 1.8V.
2 & 3, there are little spikes +/-200mV at regular intervals when music or radio is playing. Maybe some form of audio output. Don't look like audio waveform to me though.

Sounds to me like its polling for status, looking to see if its docked to an audio output.Try applying a load to it to see if it starts chucking out analogue audio
Edit: Forgot to say thanks

Looking promising aye, being that the one x is a sealed unit I assumed the pins where also to be doubled up for other tasks....
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xmoo said:
Trying to find good pictures of the One X with back cover off to see if there is a PIN1.
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I can't see any pins like those on the rezound in these fotos..
Edit: But then again i see some pins on the left of the micro sim and some more around the headphone jack...

JamesBarnes said:
Sounds to me like its polling for status, looking to see if its docked to an audio output.Try applying a load to it to see if it starts chucking out analogue audio
Edit: Forgot to say thanks
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Maybe it's a bit like Apple's accessory where it is trying to communication with whatever is touching the pin and will only dump out the analogue audio once authenticated.
The probe itself is at least 10pF (or 50p?). That should be a load by itself. Or maybe should try connecting a small or active speaker to it.

anko184 said:
I can't see any pins like those on the rezound in these fotos..
Edit: But then again i see some pins on the left of the micro sim and some more around the headphone jack...
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Check on the right midle of the battery. You see some small pins,three which has some kind of connection with the back cover.

j4n87 said:
..this could be interesting?
On the HTC rezound they achieved s-off by pulling off the back cover, taking a wire and short out to pins.
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It took them around 20 days from talking about it to actually achieving S-off! I hope we can see something for the One-X coming along like this....

angusc said:
It took them around 20 days from talking about it to actually achieving S-off! I hope we can see something for the One-X coming along like this....
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Yes but there is also a ENG SPL foe that device. I havn't seen one for the HOX.

i tried to bridge the pogo pins like its done for the unlimited.io unlock. i tried it with the gnd and data pins but it did nothing. maybe my timing wasn correct, the method was removed by htc or these are not the right pins.

xmoo said:
Check on the right midle of the battery. You see some small pins,three which has some kind of connection with the back cover.
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Aren't those pins for the speaker?

pehkblui said:
Just probed 2,34 with a scope.
4 constant 1.8V.
2 & 3, there are little spikes +/-200mV at regular intervals when music or radio is playing. Maybe some form of audio output. Don't look like audio waveform to me though.
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PIN4 may be an UART/SERIAL TX. UART can operate at 1.8V or 3.3V.
About the PINs 2 and 3, is it a sine or square wave?
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It's unlikely that any of the pins will be outputing analogue audio. The design and price of the Dock and Car dock look very similar to the Nexus One style which made bluetooth connection to the phone. The pins are most likely for charging and possibly a device ID function to let the phone know its been placed into a car or desk cradle. With a bit of luck though these may also be multipurpose and allow some sort of direct serial or jtag type connection to the processor.

yes but nexus has only three pins right?

why on earth would htc put any kind of debug interface (jtag or uart) on a retail device?! the phone can "easily" be opened. the phone has a usb-otg cappable interface.
there is absolutly no reason for these pins to be part of any kind of debug-interface

jires said:
Can someone make oscilloscope measurements of pins 2,3,4?
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Sure, but not before friday when I'm back home...

Anykind of docking station available?

Hey guys, has someone a fitting dock for the Captivate Glide?
AFAIK there is no official one, but maybe the dock of another, more famous, Samsung phone does fit the Glide also.
Greetings Alex22

Unfortunately, I think we are in lack of luck with the µUSB port on the top. This would constrain to put the phone horizontally on a dock with the docking on one edge.
This must explain the lack of docking station on eBay unlike the batteries' charging stations.
One alternative may be to reproduce this SGS mod : http://www.qianqin.de/2011/09/18/samsung-galaxy-s-wireless-inductive-charging-mod
But I don't know if it is possible with our Captivate Glide.

Here is 1 from Philips http://www.techradar.com/reviews/au...-systems/philips-fidelio-as851-1042940/review unfortunately our phone would be connected upside down. I wonder if there is an app that lets it work upside down?

dudejb said:
Here is 1 from Philips http://www.techradar.com/reviews/au...-systems/philips-fidelio-as851-1042940/review unfortunately our phone would be connected upside down. I wonder if there is an app that lets it work upside down?
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Back when I used CM for the HTC Dream, I always had the option to enable the screen to rotate 360°.
So I guess it's a ROM thing, but definitely makeable.
But anyways, that's a pretty hefty docking station, and with nearly 200 pounds it's nowhere near my budget.
Lets just hope there'll be more Android Dockingstations to come.
@EMegamanu: Thanks for the link, pretty interesting that you can mod a phone like that. But I'm too afraid and too inexperienced with solderings to mod my phone like that

EMegamanu said:
Unfortunately, I think we are in lack of luck with the µUSB port on the top. This would constrain to put the phone horizontally on a dock with the docking on one edge.
This must explain the lack of docking station on eBay unlike the batteries' charging stations.
One alternative may be to reproduce this SGS mod : http://www.qianqin.de/2011/09/18/samsung-galaxy-s-wireless-inductive-charging-mod
But I don't know if it is possible with our Captivate Glide.
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Wow, that is impressive. I wish I didn't care about my warranty. Lol

This looks cool the Dock Boss allows you to plug your android phone into any Ipod dock:
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-20110799-251/dockboss-plug-android-phones-into-iphone-docks/
OK I doubt it allows you to control the Next track and play/pause but it should charge and route the Music to the device. It plugs to your phones audio connector and the Micro USB to charge.
Here is another dock that looks interesting uses a cable to plug to an android phone so it does not matter where the connectors are located. It also has a nice little Remote:
http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/home-entertainment/ec56/
JB

dudejb said:
This looks cool the Dock Boss allows you to plug your android phone into any Ipod dock:
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-20110799-251/dockboss-plug-android-phones-into-iphone-docks/
OK I doubt it allows you to control the Next track and play/pause but it should charge and route the Music to the device. It plugs to your phones audio connector and the Micro USB to charge.
Here is another dock that looks interesting uses a cable to plug to an android phone so it does not matter where the connectors are located. It also has a nice little Remote:
http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/home-entertainment/ec56/
JB
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I like the docking station from thinkgeek. The Price is okay, the design as well, the only thing that I would nitpick about is that you can't just put the phone into the dock, but have to connect both headphone and charging cable to hte phone.
Otherwise than that it's worth the weight for me.

You know, it's a shame that our phones seem to have a cult following almost. Many people don't seem to know about it either. Samsung did great, especially since keyboard phones are going the way of the dodo, and I use a keyboard for gaming and texting anyway.
My only complaint is that there's no hardware camera button, but that's not a deal breaker in the least.

Really missing my Milestone dock.....its the only downside to this phone I can find.
I hate fishing for charging leads

MnemonicSyntax said:
You know, it's a shame that our phones seem to have a cult following almost. Many people don't seem to know about it either. Samsung did great, especially since keyboard phones are going the way of the dodo, and I use a keyboard for gaming and texting anyway.
My only complaint is that there's no hardware camera button, but that's not a deal breaker in the least.
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The keyboard and the availability on my carrier made the decision for me. I do a lot of emailing from my phone, and the keyboard is just faster and more precise than even Swype style input options for me.
I did at first miss the hardware camera button from my old WinMo LG eXpo, it was very nifty, but it's not even an issue for me anymore. Is that a common thing among Android phones?

the galaxy s vibrant comes with a charging dock that uses the same corner usb connection. Unsure on the thickness of the phone in comparison to the vibrant though.
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Well, I bought one to try out. Wasn't much, only $10 from eBay with the packaging or $13 new. Oh, I'm using a stock AT&T Captivate Glide on the latest update.
Physically, it's fine. Smaller than it looks, actually, covering about 9/10 of the length & 4/5 of the height. The depth is a bit more fudged, covering only the lower half of the slider, leaving the screen half hanging. The main issue is that although the plug is 95% on target, the 5% means you'd have to add a spacer to raise the rest of the phone up a bit. But it definitely attaches without trouble. Nice & compact.
EDIT: Driver: the charging works, though considering it didn't a few hours ago, I'm not sure what changed. Ah, the connector is a tad longer than what fits, so perhaps one must jiggle the phone a bit to get it to work? Though I tried that earlier, too....
Software/driver side is a flop. The Samsung Desk Home application from the marketplace (the generic one) doesn't work. So yeah, no automatic launching or sound out of the dock's line out. It's odd, since the settings has a dock setting in the settings, so something should work. I just wasn't able to find out what. I suppose the dock might have an identifier & the phone isn't coded in?

Yo_L2 said:
Well, I bought one to try out. Wasn't much, only $10 from eBay with the packaging or $13 new. Oh, I'm using a stock AT&T Captivate Glide on the latest update.
Physically, it's fine. Smaller than it looks, actually, covering about 9/10 of the length & 4/5 of the height. The depth is a bit more fudged, covering only the lower half of the slider, leaving the screen half hanging. The main issue is that although the plug is 95% on target, the 5% means you'd have to add a spacer to raise the rest of the phone up a bit. But it definitely attaches without trouble. Nice & compact.
EDIT: Driver: the charging works, though considering it didn't a few hours ago, I'm not sure what changed. Ah, the connector is a tad longer than what fits, so perhaps one must jiggle the phone a bit to get it to work? Though I tried that earlier, too....
Software/driver side is a flop. The Samsung Desk Home application from the marketplace (the generic one) doesn't work. So yeah, no automatic launching or sound out of the dock's line out. It's odd, since the settings has a dock setting in the settings, so something should work. I just wasn't able to find out what. I suppose the dock might have an identifier & the phone isn't coded in?
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which docking station did you get? that is 1 thing I don't understand with samsung, why do they make the micro usb connector on the top of the phone? It should be on the bottom, this would be simpler for docking stations to connect and less cumbersome having a wire to conect all the way to the top of the phone.
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My mistake, I forgot it's difficult to locate. Here's the Galaxy S used version <ebay.com/itm/OEM-Samsung-Galaxy-S-i9000-Multimedia-Dock-Home-Charger-/150629639833> & new version <ebay.com/itm/N-OEM-Samsung-Galaxy-S-4G-Multimedia-Dock-Home-Charger-/160616869990>. If you go through the store, there's the Vibrant & Galaxy S versions, but I'm not sure there are any differences.
Being a horizontal dock, your issue is not applicable, though it's certainly understandable.
Oh right, the clock application already has a dock function, but it doesn't activate upon docking & I couldn't get it to reroute the audio. It does prevent the screen from turning off, so I guess it's not too bad.

Hi would this work with the glue as a basic dock? not sure if the plug is in the right place for this mobile,
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Gal...UTF8&colid=2AOM2U1G0O9ZJ&coliid=I9O547D7LLW3P
if not aren't there any Samsung accessories that can be adapted for a dock to charge or hdmi out here's wishing lol.
Atb

That is the amazon location of the dock I reviewed. Everything I've mentioned should apply.
I guess glue would work? As long as it's completely dry, naturally. I used three thin nails in three rows, taped down. Not the prettiest, but at least it matches the blue led.
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Hi Thanks for that, where's the link to your review and why were the nails used just to stop it dropping forward of the front of the dock, were there any other mods needed to make it work.
Thanks
Paul

The review is spread over two posts, two & four posts above my prior post with pictures.
I used nails as a spacer as the micro-USB port is a tad bit high. Everything else worked well, though the phone electrical connection to the dock may be finicky at times.

I currently use an ihome desk lamp. The glide sits rather well in the ipod dock, but I have to supply my own power. I was eyeing this the other day too http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/ec56/

found it! SGH-i927 HTPC solution
here's what i think we've all been looking for:
this should be all you need to use your Captivate Glide as HTPC (or just use the dock on your night-table/desk, whatever)
iBolt™ MHL Streamer Dock - Black
http://www.fommy.com/view-full-page.php?divid=Samsung&model=Samsung+Captivate+Glide+SGH-I927&cat=Cradles&skuno=94753
the only actual dock i've found that's listed as compatible with i927, and it comes with cables! i am SO getting that one of these days...
(actually, the compatibility list is quite large, i'm guessing just about any device with MHL will work with this dock)
i happened to find this site about an hour into googling for a glide dock... they have the widest range of sgh-i927 stuff i've found:
http://www.fommy.com/samsung-captivate-glide-sgh-i927.htm
and that's the only place i've found that sells the iBolt dock...
couple that dock with a Bluetooth kbd/mouse combo; something like this:
CE Compass Bluetooth HID Wireless Keyboard Mouse
*edit*
THIS little thing is AWESOME:
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/wireless-touch-keyboard-k400
I picked one up on sale at Office Depot. Works GREAT and even has a home button.
After using this on windows pc's, android tablets and android phone (USB OTG), I HIGHLY reccommend it to anyone looking for a keyboard with integrated touchpad.
two finger scrolling in windows and android works great.
in case you don't have an hdmi monitor, just an HD hdmi to dvi adapter for ~$5
(if you have to go DVI, chances are you'll need an audio cable to connect to your audio device. for example, my tv is older and doesnt do audio over DVI, but the DVI input has RCA audio inputs right beside it; so i would use a 3.5mm to RCA cable.
Or you may want to run from phone headphone jack to audio line in on your home theatre audio receiver.
Chances are if you need seperate audio cable, either 3.5mm to RCA or 3.5mm double-ended cable would be what you need.)
so that's about $100 to use your phone as a desktop computer or HTPC as well.
I can't wait to try this on my 60" DLP tv....

CraigsDocks review - True one hand Dock with digital USB-OTG audio out to DAC

Yesterday I installed my new CraigsDocks dock for my AT&T Galaxy S3.
I give it two :good: :good: up.
I created a DIY USB-OTG with power cable.
So the phone gets dropped into the dock.
It goes into dock mode automatically.
This USB-OTG cable bypasses the internal crappy DAC and sends digital audio out to my Behringer UCA202 DAC.
Which then sends the converted analog signal to my car stereo.
Here's my review/how-to on the whole DAC to Car Stereo thing:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2033527
The dock is much smaller in profile than my iBOLT dock. And also easier to put the phone in and remove it from the dock.
It's also more heavy duty and looks pretty good.
My DIY cable of course, detracts from the looks. But it's not too bad.
The dock is very sturdy. I can easily put the phone in one handed. It just slides right into the USB-OTG connector.
Youtube video of my dock in action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Rda6Vsd9Wc&feature=youtu.be
MFG's info & ordering page for CraigsDocks:
http://www.craigsdocks.com/samsung-galaxy-s3-car-dock/
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I haven't had a chance to test it yet, but it sounds like according to the MFGR, that the supplied MicroUSB power/media cable that comes with the dock is actually USB-OTG capable. Either as-is, or with a small DIY mod. I didn't understand exactly.
I'm still incredibly happy with this dock. I have yet to need both hands to insert my phone. True one-handed connect in and remove phone action! :good:
Another benefit to this dock is that because it's adjustable, it will probably work for any similar sized phone with MicroUSB on the bottom. I wouldn't even be surprised if a NOTE II works in this dock. Or a GSIII with extended (fatter) battery + large case.

Wiring
Cz Eddie,
I am surprised at how little action this thread has received.
I wish the CraigsDock was around before the Ibolt. Hmmm, maybe it was.
All my past car docks were this type of one handed in/out deal and I miss it.
I will probably get one soon.
When I did the analog out of micro usb tests months ago, I went as far as having my own hand made cable wired to output sound but got terrible machine/cpu noise and gargle if I had both power and audio in the car. I tested it in the house with use wall power...same thing. I tested with a ground loop isolator...worse.
So, right now I have the Ibolt and a custom plug coming out of it that plugs into the headphone jack...works fine actually. But it 2 hands and 4 steps to plug it all in...Vs 1 hand, 1 step via your brilliant craigsdock setup. Love it.
Have you shared your DIY wiring scheme for the CraigsDock + DAC?
If yes, can you point me to it. (I have read your dac thread...I don't remember seeing it there)
Cheers

themadproducer said:
When I did the analog out of micro usb tests months ago, I went as far as having my own hand made cable wired to output sound but got terrible machine/cpu noise and gargle if I had both power and audio in the car. I tested it in the house with use wall power...same thing. I tested with a ground loop isolator...worse.
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The reason I went with USB-DAC was because of the higher quality audio. But mostly because analog USB just had bits of low level noise that annoyed me.
themadproducer said:
So, right now I have the Ibolt and a custom plug coming out of it that plugs into the headphone jack...works fine actually. But it 2 hands and 4 steps to plug it all in...Vs 1 hand, 1 step via your brilliant craigsdock setup. Love it.
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Yep, the Craigsdock is true one-handed operation. You have to mess with the dock settings to get it perfect. It took me about 5-10 minutes, but the phone smoothly slips right into the USB connector and is nice and stable.
themadproducer said:
Have you shared your DIY wiring scheme for the CraigsDock + DAC?
If yes, can you point me to it. (I have read your dac thread...I don't remember seeing it there)
Cheers
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Well, it's either in this thread or the USB-DAC thread?
I just bought a very short USB-OTG connector that had a right-angle microUSB connector for the phone plugin at the dock.
Then I bought a normal, USB extension cable.
And bought a three way normal USB-OTG cable (USB-OTG plus a USB connector for charging).
I snipped off one end of the short USB-OTG and matched the four wires by color to the straight (longer) USB cable. Then took that end and matched it up to the three-way USB-OTG cable. Again, just soldering the four wires to each other. All the colors matched up perfectly.
Wish I didn't lose the pics I took of that procedure. I'd post them if I still had them.
It was all super easy to do.

Cables needed for DAC for Craig's Dock?
CZ Eddie said:
Well, it's either in this thread or the USB-DAC thread?
I just bought a very short USB-OTG connector that had a right-angle microUSB connector for the phone plugin at the dock.
Then I bought a normal, USB extension cable.
And bought a three way normal USB-OTG cable (USB-OTG plus a USB connector for charging).
I snipped off one end of the short USB-OTG and matched the four wires by color to the straight (longer) USB cable. Then took that end and matched it up to the three-way USB-OTG cable. Again, just soldering the four wires to each other. All the colors matched up perfectly.
Wish I didn't lose the pics I took of that procedure. I'd post them if I still had them.
It was all super easy to do.
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Hello, first CZ Eddie, you have been so helpful with this thread and the "The $43 Galaxy S3 + Car Stereo Upgrade for WaaaY better sound quality! USB-DAC Audio" thread. THANK YOU!
I finally bought a new car stereo and will be having it installed by a local company (I am not too handy with vehicle installations). The car stereo has aux and USB on the front side (I want to keep USB on front open for thumb drive music). I purchased a Craigs Dock (from the website you listed above - awesome!) as well. I want to provide the installer with AS MUCH OF THE EQUIPMENT as possible, and a detailed diagram on how to create what you created with the USB-DAC using the Craigs Dock.
As of now I believe I will need to provide the following for a clean installation (can you please tell me if I'm missing something like a necessary connector or cable to connect to Craigs Dock?):
* Two-USB cigarette lighter power source (from amazon, RAVPower® Car USB Charger Dual USB Port 3.1A(2.1A+1A) / 15.5W / ...)
* The new Car Stereo Kenwood KDC-X896 (I can't post links here)
* Craigs Dock (powered by USB connector in cigarette lighter)
* Behringer UCA202 USB DAC (same as posted in your thread, connected to RCA audio cable to aux in on front of stereo)
* Micro USB Host OTG Cable with Micro USB Power for Samsung i9100 i9300 i9220 i9250 (same as posted in your thread; connected from DAC's USB to a power source/micro USB, and then the other end to the Craigs Dock)
* 3.5mm Male To (2) RCA Stereo Audio Cable - (6 Feet) - Step Down Design accommodates iPhone, iTouch, SmartPhones & MP3 cases
* Mini USB male to USB male (for connecting DAC power end to cigarette lighter USB) - such as the Amazon basics A-Male-Mini-B-Cable-...)
Am I missing something? How do I connect the Micro USB Host OTG Cable end into the Craigs Dock?
Thanks for any help you can offer!

ebrowni said:
Thanks for any help you can offer!
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Does USB-DAC work again for the S3? Last time I checked, it wasn't working on AOSP ROM's. I have an S4 now though so I have not kept up on things.
Btw, the S4 fits in the same Craigsdock just fine. So does the NOTE II.
I recommend this setup for power. It's cleaner and works better. Just tie it into any 12V power lead.
http://img2.media.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=43697113
You don't want Mini-USB. You need Micro-USB.
So, in this pic where it says "This end goes to MicroUSB Power Source", I would just cut off that end of the cable and hard wire it to the power source I linked above.
I don't use DAC's anymore. I use the APT-X Bluetooth codec. It's 95% as good as a DAC when it comes to sound. But 5000% more convenient.
It won't win any audio awards but it's much better than regular Bluetooth and almost as good as DAC.

No need for DAC? OK much easier.
CZ Eddie said:
I recommend this setup for power. It's cleaner and works better. Just tie it into any 12V power lead.
http://img2.media.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=43697113
You don't want Mini-USB. You need Micro-USB.
I don't use DAC's anymore. I use the APT-X Bluetooth codec. It's 95% as good as a DAC when it comes to sound. But 5000% more convenient.
It won't win any audio awards but it's much better than regular Bluetooth and almost as good as DAC.
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Thanks CZ Eddie! So, from what I'm reading I will just use my APT-X Bluetooth codec (inherent in the S4) to stream through my Kenwood audio system, which is bluetooth compatible. (I'm OK with a 5% less quality sound by using the bluetooth!) So the only thing I will need to do is connect the CraigsDock to the power source. Is that it?! To get high quality sound?! It just seams too easy!

ebrowni said:
Thanks CZ Eddie! So, from what I'm reading I will just use my APT-X Bluetooth codec (inherent in the S4) to stream through my Kenwood audio system, which is bluetooth compatible. (I'm OK with a 5% less quality sound by using the bluetooth!) So the only thing I will need to do is connect the CraigsDock to the power source. Is that it?! To get high quality sound?! It just seams too easy!
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Amazingly easy. I love being to remove the phone from the dock and the audio never stops playing.
All you need the dock for is for charging and to hold the phone at eye level.
You can also use Car Home Ultra to give you a car friendly interface. I have mine set so Car Home Ultra automatically wakes the phone and opens up as soon as it senses the bluetooth connection.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=spinninghead.carhome.license&hl=en
Oh but one problem. No current Car Stereo has APT-X capability.
So you have to buy an APT-X receiver and plug that into the AUX-input of your car stereo.
That's the easy part. The only hard part is hard-wiring the APT-X receiver into a power source. But you can share the same power source that the phone will use.
This is the APT-X receiver I have:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Rocketf...iver/5654132.p?id=1218679203690&skuId=5654132
I'll do a DIY thread here someday. I've had this setup for a few months and it's great.

Thanks so much - Another question... Of course!
CZ Eddie said:
Oh but one problem. No current Car Stereo has APT-X capability.
So you have to buy an APT-X receiver and plug that into the AUX-input of your car stereo.
That's the easy part. The only hard part is hard-wiring the APT-X receiver into a power source. But you can share the same power source that the phone will use.
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Thanks for the info on the App! I'll get that setup on my S4 once everything's in place. Also thanks for the link to the Rocketfish on bestbuy.
A few more questions (of course!):
* On installation, can I have the Rocketfish placed behind the stereo/out of sight, with it continuing to work/without interference? Assuming I hard-wire it for power then that would be easiest.
* Also, I'm guessing that I need to buy an aux cable to connect to the front aux input of my car stereo. HOWEVER, I'm attaching a picture of the back of the kenwood kdc-x896 - is there another way that I could connect to the car stereo using the connections offered in the back? then the front of the stereo would be completely clean and it would be integrated behind the stereo.
What do you think?
Thank you!

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* On installation, can I have the Rocketfish placed behind the stereo/out of sight, with it continuing to work/without interference? Assuming I hard-wire it for power then that would be easiest.
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Absolutely. Mine is buried way deep inside my dash somewhere.
Hard wired power for a few months... not a single problem with it at all.
It turns on when my ignition key turns. And turns off the same way.
It connects to my phone super quick every time I get in the car. I don't have to initiate the connection, ever.
ebrowni said:
Also, I'm guessing that I need to buy an aux cable to connect to the front aux input of my car stereo. HOWEVER, I'm attaching a picture of the back of the kenwood kdc-x896 - is there another way that I could connect to the car stereo using the connections offered in the back? then the front of the stereo would be completely clean and it would be integrated behind the stereo.
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Nope, you have to connect to the AUX on the front.
You can find car stereo's with rear AUX. It's harder to find them, but they are out there.
If you can handle having a car stereo with rear USB input (run a cord to the front for your USB stick), then there are a couple stereos near your price range that have rear 3.5mm AUX input:
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-IuY1I6ICy10/p_105KDX80BT/JVC-KD-X80BT.html
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-eYwsaEZ5rq0/p_113KDCX996/Kenwood-Excelon-KDC-X996.html
Just hafta search for the good prices on the Kenwood. I saw it under $200 somewhere.

Thanks for your help!
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Absolutely. Mine is buried way deep inside my dash somewhere.
Hard wired power for a few months... not a single problem with it at all.
It turns on when my ignition key turns. And turns off the same way.
It connects to my phone super quick every time I get in the car. I don't have to initiate the connection, ever.
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AWESOME! I'll just tuck it in behind and hard wire to the battery with the craigsdock power... So great that the ignition starts everything and it automatically connects.
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Nope, you have to connect to the AUX on the front. You can find car stereo's with rear AUX. It's harder to find them, but they are out there.
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I already bought the Kenwood after lots of research... The KDC-x996 looked great but the downfall (for me) was CD insertion; it has to be done with the faceplate off, and I'm "old school" (haha) and like CDs still. Thanks so much for the suggestions with the rear inputs! I'm really happy that the only cable that will be seen (aside from the Craigsdock power line) is the aux input on the front. Very excited to get this setup! Thanks CZ Eddie!