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Hi folks,
I thought this phone had like 500MB odd for apps storage?
I've just checked my space left on internal memory and its like 18MB.... thought this is strange.
Installed Linda File Manager, under Applications it says 133M / 147M - 90%
A big WTF???? What is going on here????
This is what I expected with my Hero, but the Desire? Something has to be wrong.
Where do you think Android OS resides? it takes most of the space.
the allowable rom for apps is a little above 100MB
irkan said:
Where do you think Android OS resides? it takes most of the space.
the allowable rom for apps is a little above 100MB
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Arf!!! Thought it would be more than that. Sheesh!!!
I have 150MB spare on my Hero.
I don't see a problem here. When I was still on G1, I had 256 MB partition for APPS2SD and I never went over 100 MB.
Of course, that depends on everyone's personal use case.
irkan said:
Where do you think Android OS resides? it takes most of the space.
the allowable rom for apps is a little above 100MB
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I believe this is wrong although I've had very busy weekend and had no time to look into it.
I think android OS in the 512MB ROM. I think the reason the RAM is nearly full from the word go is that it is full of Sence UI and the apps that HTC has installed. Most of these can't be uninstalled, yet.
I'm confused: are we talking about ROM - where Android OS, Sense UI, apps, etc are stored, or RAM - "working" memory?
I also have ~100+ MB of RAM left and I totally forgot that total amount is over 500 MB.
But then coming back to G1, it had 192 MB of RAM and I never had more than 30 free.
So basically the Rom, Sense UI, and all the HTC apps / widgets take up 350MB?
Wtf!! Way to go HTC, tout 512MB rom and then leave you with 150MB.
Can't wait to root this phone now.
Let's hope Android 2.2 or 3.0 supports Apps on SD and HTC will port it.
~100Mb Free Space only with preinstalled HTC Apps and Android is not very much
seems like i dont understand something
is it not possible to install the apps onto a memory card?! does rooting allow to do that?
Arthur Hucksake said:
So basically the Rom, Sense UI, and all the HTC apps / widgets take up 350MB?
Wtf!! Way to go HTC, tout 512MB rom and then leave you with 150MB.
Can't wait to root this phone now.
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No you have definitely misunderstood.
The ROM is 512MB
The RAM is 576MB
Android is in the ROM You don't have access to the ROM through any file explorer (may be possible once rooted). It wont be long before the device is rooted (hopefully) and then custom ROMs can be used and it may even be possible to reduce the size of the ROM and increase the size of the RAM.
Sence UI and apps (HTC or otherwise) are in the RAM. Once we have root acccess it should be fairly easy to place apps on the SD card by using symbolic links to fool the OS into believing that an EXT2 partition on the SD card is the app storage on the phone ram. This is all still to come but I still have a 1.5GB EXT2 partition on my SD card from when it was in my G1 which I will use for this purpose once root has been achieved (you will probably need to create one, I'm not going into detail about how to do this until the device has been rooted)
cez10 said:
seems like i dont understand something
is it not possible to install the apps onto a memory card?! does rooting allow to do that?
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In theory, once rooted, YES! (you posted while I was typing!)
farnsbarns said:
No you have definitely misunderstood.
The ROM is 512MB
The RAM is 576MB
Android is in the ROM You don't have access to the ROM though any file explorer (may be possible once rooted). It wont be long before the device is rooted (hopefully) and then custom ROMs can be used and it may even be possible to reduce the size of the ROM and increase the size of the RAM.
Sence UI and apps (HTC or otherwise) are in the RAM. Once we have root acccess it should be fairly easy to place apps on the SD card by using symbolic links to fool the OS into believing that an EXT2 partition on the SD card is the app storage on the phone ram. This is all still to come but I still have a 1.5GB EXT2 partition on my SD card from when it was in my G1 which I will use for this purpose once root has been achieved (you will probably need to create one, I'm not going into detail about how to do this until the device has been rooted)
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Right, now I get you.
It all becomes clear. lol
I used AP2SD on my Hero, but from what I have heard I fear we won't be able to root the Desire at all.
Arthur Hucksake said:
Right, now I get you.
It all becomes clear. lol
I used AP2SD on my Hero, but from what I have heard I fear we won't be able to root the Desire at all.
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What have you heard to suggest rooting is impossible?
Ok .. i was about to preorder Desire for myself.. but this thing holds me back a lil now.. whats the point having alot of apps in the market while u can install about 3-5 apps on your phone coz of pathetic storage space..? sure once theres a chance to root your device u can get rid of this thing.. but what about ppl which wont root their device.. as im still not sure about root aswell..
PS: i always had just WinMo devices.. and im sick of it already.. especially after i saw WP7 i hate MS.. so android is the only way for me.. have to learn alot about this OS .. dont have it yet.. but already love it..
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In theory, once rooted, YES! (you posted while I was typing!)
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whats the point of having a memory card then if you cant install any apps on it :|
can I download the apps onto the card though? and same with music files etc?
how big are the apps in average? 5mb? or more?
barakoas said:
whats the point having alot of apps in the market while u can install about 3-5 apps on your phone coz of pathetic storage space..?
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With over 100Mb Free Space you should be able to install at least 30-50 Apps (or at least 10Games). Most Apps are <1Mbyte. (Biggest Software i know is Copilot takes ~ 10Mbytes)
Don't think that you get serious problems here.
Ok that sounds quite fair.. but still.. well im App/game maniac
cez10 said:
whats the point of having a memory card then if you cant install any apps on it :|
can I download the apps onto the card though? and same with music files etc?
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I agree there, you can't save apps on it, you can't install apps on it, so what the heck is benefit of having it in ur phone then, why Google won't give this feature/option 2 install on MemCard?
Or why the heck they don't make phones memory any bigger so that we don't have 2 worry about it.. I mean if they raise built-in memory to 1GB or big it's not gonna bring the price of phone 2 double, I guess it's gonna be only few quids more...
Arthur Hucksake said:
Right, now I get you.
It all becomes clear. lol
I used AP2SD on my Hero, but from what I have heard I fear we won't be able to root the Desire at all.
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It WILL be rooted, it's just a matter of time. Probably just days in fact, knowing all the talent round here!
well theres an option to wait on Samsung Galaxy S.. which will have 8Gig internal memory and lovely hardware specs.. but meh its samsung which have crappy UI and support.. grr there always must be some BUT...
I've noticed ROMs such as Uncommon Sense and SkyRaider include a modified media scanner that enables non-HTC apps to access the internal EMMC storage.
I'm currently running Virtuous 3.0.1; is there an apk or other file I can pull from either one of those ROMs to replace my current one, or would it involve a lot more than that?
XideXL said:
I've noticed ROMs such as Uncommon Sense and SkyRaider include a modified media scanner that enables non-HTC apps to access the internal EMMC storage.
I'm currently running Virtuous 3.0.1; is there an apk or other file I can pull from either one of those ROMs to replace my current one, or would it involve a lot more than that?
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It is possible to drag-n-drop a file to get your media scanner to read EMMC. HOWEVER, there are some sacrifices you will have to make for this ability. For one thing, you will bork your ability for the camera application to write to EMMC. The same thing goes for your voice recorder application. You can only write to the sd card directly from these applications. So its your call.
This is something I'd love to see also. While I'm currently on Virtuous, it would be nice for a universal .apk or something to apply in Rom Manager/CWM that works for any rom. I tend to try roms out here and there, so something universal would be very handy.
As for the "loss of functionality". What's the big deal with Pictures? You can save them to SD. I fact, I think mine have always saved to SD. What's the advantage of saving to EMMC > SD? And personally, I never have used Voice Recorder.....
todd3835 said:
This is something I'd love to see also. While I'm currently on Virtuous, it would be nice for a universal .apk or something to apply in Rom Manager/CWM that works for any rom. I tend to try roms out here and there, so something universal would be very handy.
As for the "loss of functionality". What's the big deal with Pictures? You can save them to SD. I fact, I think mine have always saved to SD. What's the advantage of saving to EMMC > SD? And personally, I never have used Voice Recorder.....
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IMHO the emmc isn't used by anything.g except HTC. Saving camera to emmc gives you that much more free space on your SD card
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The reason I'm interested in it is that I only have the crappy 2gb SD card that came with the phone, so I store my 4 gigs of music on EMMC.
I use Launcher Pro and have been wanting a music widget that shows artwork. I've tried a couple out, but they either don't work on DInc (Pure) or I don't like their design (Mixzing).
I recently pulled the Music Mod app from Uncommon Sense for it's widget, which is exactly what I'm looking for. All I need now is for the app to be able to read EMMC and I'll have the widget I've been wanting for so long.
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deficitism said:
It is possible to drag-n-drop a file to get your media scanner to read EMMC. HOWEVER, there are some sacrifices you will have to make for this ability. For one thing, you will bork your ability for the camera application to write to EMMC. The same thing goes for your voice recorder application. You can only write to the sd card directly from these applications. So its your call.
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As for this, I am looking for an integrated solution that won't have these side effects. Again because I only have a 2gb SD card, which is mostly used up by 2 nandroid backups and titanium backup for all my apps/settings, leaving a tiny bit of room for me to download a ROM or two on there if need be.
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There are two ways to do it. Use the media scanner code in cyanogenmod witch now scans the /mnt directory not just /mnt/sdcard. You can also make mount the emmc partition to /sdcard/emmc this works as well.
xdarkfirex said:
There are two ways to do it. Use the media scanner code in cyanogenmod witch now scans the /mnt directory not just /mnt/sdcard. You can also make mount the emmc partition to /sdcard/emmc this works as well.
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I have some coding experience, but unfortunately I'm not at all familiar with the internals of android. Any idea where can I locate the code for the media scanner from within cyanogenmod?
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XideXL said:
I have some coding experience, but unfortunately I'm not at all familiar with the internals of android. Any idea where can I locate the code for the media scanner from within cyanogenmod?
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http://github.com/CyanogenMod/andro...mmit/aa20f4dbf99f9f11122e560a2087d8999728c71f
Thanks k_flan!
Unfortunately as I've said, I'm a noob with Android programming. At the risk of being a bit annoying, would anyone be so kind as to tell this beginner how I can compile/build this code into something I can slap on my device? I have Eclipse set up with the Android SDK and everything, I've just never done anything with it. I notice this code is part of a service rather than just a run of the mill apk, so I'm assuming I can't just pull a file and replace it on my end, but I don't know how something like that does work.
I'm still trying to figure out what good having 8gb of internal storage is when nothing seems to be able to make use of it.
Sure, I can copy files to it, MP3s, etc, but the music player doesn't seem to look there since I have an 8gb card installed as well.
(Yeah, I know I can use Astro or something to go play them -- but that's not really convenient...)
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... You can also make mount the emmc partition to /sdcard/emmc this works as well.
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I somehow doubt this would work ... and if it did, not cause problems.
From the stand point of liunx, mounting emmc to a directory on the sim card is actually a very good method if your after simply playing music. If your after any of the other functionality the phone may use the internal storage for then your assed out, but to just access music. Good plan.
For me, I'd care less about saving pictures to SD versus EMMC. I'm more concerned about the 2-3 gigs of music being on EMMC than to be forced to save pictures to SD (which is what it's doing be default on every rom I've used anyways). As someone pointed out, what good is my 8 gigs of internal memory doing if I can't use it for music or videos. Yes, the problem is more so that apps like TuneWiki should add the function that the stock player has (don't tell me it can't be done, if there are apps already doing it). But if there's a work around that has what feels like a small sacrifice, I don't understand the big deal. I am not saying all roms should come with this as a stock setting, but if someone were to be able to whip up something that will work across roms, that would be nifty =]
Heyy guys
Has anyone noticed that if you arrange the icons on the arc when the phone is restarted the icons all move around...
Is this just me or has it happened to others?
Thanks,
Jinx13
I got same issue, upon every restart the phone shuffles the icons adding new windows and places 2 or 3 icons on window or so...
What I've noticed is that this only applies to apps stored on the SD card, anything stored on the phone memory will stay in place.
DemonicHawk said:
What I've noticed is that this only applies to apps stored on the SD card, anything stored on the phone memory will stay in place.
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Yeah...
Is it possible to be the low-class SD doing this? The standard default SD Card included in Arc's box is Class 2 I believe.
Could higher class SD card fix this? Can someone with Class 4-6-8-10 share impression please?
It is strange tough, I'm using the SD card provided with the Arc and dont have any problems.
I read some people did have problems with the launcher but that was fixed in SEs latest android version, are you guys on the latest version ?
more people are having this problem :
Touranaga said:
Regardless the complainings about the Arc I would definitely say that is a faulty phone. I have mine for 2 mounts now and the only problem i experience is when i reboot the phone occasionally it shuffles the icons...no lag, no delay. It's a truly worthy phone.
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Same problem..Sandisk class4..latest firmware
Glad to hear it's not just me lol I also have the latest version 2.3.3
I didn't actually notice that it was only the apps on the SD card that moved till it was mentioned
Using 2.3.3 here as well.
Hope this will be fixed in upcoming updates, cause its annoying...not that i restart my phone often, but nevertheless when you do you need to spend some time to re-arrange all the icons back again or just scrolling arround till you find that you need.
Depends on how many craps you have installed on you phone lol.
Brah.
Have same issue with icons.
2.3.3 did not help at all.
I have had HTC Desire for 2 years now and I am planning to buy this phone in couple of weeks. I have few questions if someone could answer them for me.
1. How is the loud speaker feature? Is it better than the Desire?
2. Out of 32GB memory, how much is available after all the preloaded system apps?
3. Since there is no SD slot, how an individual would transfer the data from PC to the phone? can an individual use a USB cable and place them in designated folder of the phone?
rangeela2331 said:
I have had HTC Desire for 2 years now and I am planning to buy this phone in couple of weeks. I have few questions if someone could answer them for me.
1. How is the loud speaker feature? Is it better than the Desire?
2. Out of 32GB memory, how much is available after all the preloaded system apps?
3. Since there is no SD slot, how an individual would transfer the data from PC to the phone? can an individual use a USB cable and place them in designated folder of the phone?
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1. (My last phone was a Desire) The speaker is A LOT better, it sounds even better then the speakers in my laptop.
2. 25GB left. (+ You get 25 GB free with Dropbox, which you can use for your documents,photos,video)
3. Through Dropbox is the easiest way, you get 25 GB free storage which makes transfering files very easy to do. (And if 25 isn't enouf you can always buy more/also use Box which offers another free 50 GB.) USB transfer also works, but believe me once you get used to Dropbox you don't want anything els. When I take a picture on my phone it is a few seconds later already on my Dropbox account available for all my other devices.
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2. 25GB left. (+ You get 25 GB free with Dropbox, which you can use for your documents,photos,video)
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I saw in a review that only 2GB is available for installing apps. Is this going to be a problem? The only thing I really disliked about my Desire was the dramatically limited space for apps and I don't really want to fall into that again.
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I saw in a review that only 2GB is available for installing apps. Is this going to be a problem? The only thing I really disliked about my Desire was the dramatically limited space for apps and I don't really want to fall into that again.
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Can someone confirm this if only 2GB is available for installing apps?
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Can someone confirm this if only 2GB is available for installing apps?
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I should have said that indeed, there is 2GB dedicated for installing apps but you can move pretty much any app to the "SD CARD" which has 25 GB of storage. My apologies for the confusing answer the first time.
PS : Keep in mind that within the 6 months pretty much all apps will be optimised for "Move to SD-Card".
PS2: Since all the storage is located on one physical storage unit (as far as I know?) I think devs might be able to make the 2GB partition a 10 (or any number) GB partition. But you better ask this to a real developper.
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I should have said that indeed, there is 2GB dedicated for installing apps but you can move pretty much any app to the "SD CARD" which has 25 GB of storage. My apologies for the confusing answer the first time.
PS : Keep in mind that within the 6 months pretty much all apps will be optimised for "Move to SD-Card".
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Call me paranoid but after the Desire I am a bit wary of moving apps to sd being some magical fix. It didn't seem to help me that much when I was HTC stock (pre root and roming). I thought the point of Android switching to MTP was to make all the space available for apps.
psinno said:
Call me paranoid but after the Desire I am a bit wary of moving apps to sd being some magical fix. It didn't seem to help me that much when I was HTC stock (pre root and roming). I thought the point of Android switching to MTP was to make all the space available for apps.
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Yeah I had that same problem with the Desire, some apps didn't work after moving them to SD. But I think app-devs will start optimizing this, apps become larger and pretty much every phone has very limited memory (without the SD-Card).
+ I'm pretty sure Devs can make the 2GB partition larger, if you root the device and use a costum rom that is.
I just upgraded from the S2 and on that phone it was possible to have apps on SD card.. But on my S3 there is option in settings at all.. Does anyone know a way to do this? Any tips would be greatly appreciated.
pinkcandygirlx said:
I just upgraded from the S2 and on that phone it was possible to have apps on SD card.. But on my S3 there is option in settings at all.. Does anyone know a way to do this? Any tips would be greatly appreciated.
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Yup no longer an option while stock. Have a read here to see if this is something you may be interested in
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1849861
evoer said:
Yup no longer an option while stock. Have a read here to see if this is something you may be interested in
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1849861
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Oh root is the only option to fix it? I'm kinda afraid to void my warranty
Don't be scared... come on over to the dark side. Seriously though, do some reading to see if it is for you. There are ways to root and unroot, this might be a good place to start looking
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1726558
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Don't be scared... come on over to the dark side. Seriously though, do some reading to see if it is for you. There are ways to root and unroot, this might be a good place to start looking
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1726558
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YES! Come join us on the root side, everything is better XD
Additionally to evoer's suggestion, you can also check Link2Sd which is a free app that allows you to move selected apps to the extSdcard. Root is also need for this app to work, so yeah root it! You must partition your sd to have one part FAT32 and one part ext4 partition. There are free apps for that floating around that'll work on PC, not sure if the current custom recoveries have this integrated. I know back in the EVO OG days we were able to partition directly in recovery.
Warning - before partitioning, you must back up everything in the sdcard to you PC since this will format you sdcard.
As for rooting, if you take that road, go this thread found in the Android Development section. It's a tool created by Senior moderator/Recognized developer mskip. Read through the OP and some pages before attempting this. But this is on of the most straight forward and easiest methods available.
Really good instructions too
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5idWFrLkxpbmsyU0QiXQ..
I can look into this but let a pro root it if thats what i decide to do. Thanks
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I dont know bout the Dark Side, but the Rooted side definietly!!!, It isnt hard to root and flash roms, just takes careful reading thats all.
Im now sporting my new GS3 16 gig using Phantoms Blaze Rom with the extsd2internalsd GS3 64g class10 mobile, internal 16 gig ext.
worked like a charm. Their are some issues where some apps install the app and data into the real internal memory but noting too big, Atleast thats the prob im having. Good thing i didnt spent 400 bucks for the 64 GS3 im a happy camper with this mod.
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I can look into this but let a pro root it if thats what i decide to do. Thanks
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Just my opinion but if you choose to root it, do it yourself. That way if anything ever does mess up, you can figure out how to fix it on your own instead of going on one of the forums saying "help my friend rooted my phone and now everything is force closing, what do I do?!?".
It really isn't as complicated as it seems, so long as you follow all instructions and there are many here to help of you get stuck and can't find a solution to a problem. However, a decision only you can make if it is worth it. There is always a small chance of a brick. I've done it before but only cause I was a idiot and flashed an international s3 version ROM when rooting my Sprint galaxy s3
I rooted my LG optimus way back so that I could remove T-Mobile bloatware since the phone was crap anyway. Since then, I always root and have become a flashaholic (although wicked sensations v1.1 is keeping me grounded for a bit ). I'm slowly learning thanks to all the great info here, I was all proud of myself for modifying my mms.apk last week and recompiling it with no issues I still have way more to learn but once you start it is like an addiction. Lol.
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Solution
GL to SD ( playstore )
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Yup no longer an option while stock. Have a read here to see if this is something you may be interested in
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1849861
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Worked like a charm..!!! Good lookin out..!:laugh:
pinkcandygirlx said:
I just upgraded from the S2 and on that phone it was possible to have apps on SD card.. But on my S3 there is option in settings at all.. Does anyone know a way to do this? Any tips would be greatly appreciated.
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Pardon my ignorance but why would you need to move any apps 2 sd card? I mean I have a S3 16GB with a 32GB card added to it and I have about 70+ apps installed on the 16GB card and I still haven't reached 50% of the memory on the phone....
CR1T1C4L718 said:
Pardon my ignorance but why would you need to move any apps 2 sd card? I mean I have a S3 16GB with a 32GB card added to it and I have about 70+ apps installed on the 16GB card and I still haven't reached 50% of the memory on the phone....
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Games and such take up a ton of space. For example NOVA 2 downloads 2 GB of content. Theres also music, videos, etc
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CNexus said:
Games and such take up a ton of space. For example NOVA 2 downloads 2 GB of content. Theres also music, videos, etc
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I don't think there is any need for these kinds off apps/hacks anymore. The original EVO and other androids had horrible memory issues. They were trying to get by with 512MB to 1GB for both the system files and the apps. The big apps like NOVA etc only have a small piece on the ROM portion of the memory. The rest is on the internal or external SD card. So there's no need.
Granted I have the 32GB version with an additional 3GB SD card only because I had it from my EVO days. Most people don't need that much space.
Jimmy_Jo said:
I don't think there is any need for these kinds off apps/hacks anymore. The original EVO and other androids had horrible memory issues. They were trying to get by with 512MB to 1GB for both the system files and the apps. The big apps like NOVA etc only have a small piece on the ROM portion of the memory. The rest is on the internal or external SD card. So there's no need.
Granted I have the 32GB version with an additional 3GB SD card only because I had it from my EVO days. Most people don't need that much space.
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Using Link2SD, I get a failure to move due to insufficient space. I have a 16gb SD, with 14gb allotted to FAT32 and 2GB allotted to ext2. Any ideas?
workingmomjd said:
Using Link2SD, I get a failure to move due to insufficient space. I have a 16gb SD, with 14gb allotted to FAT32 and 2GB allotted to ext2. Any ideas?
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Right now CyanogenMod is giving me problems. The "best" app Link2SD won't work. It says it will not work with my device. Maybe i'll downgrade to stable cm 10...
Jimmy_Jo said:
I don't think there is any need for these kinds off apps/hacks anymore. The original EVO and other androids had horrible memory issues. They were trying to get by with 512MB to 1GB for both the system files and the apps. The big apps like NOVA etc only have a small piece on the ROM portion of the memory. The rest is on the internal or external SD card. So there's no need.
Granted I have the 32GB version with an additional 3GB SD card only because I had it from my EVO days. Most people don't need that much space.
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Nandroids and roms also take up a lot of space, and some apps save enourmous amounts of data as well, cache is also another biggy
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