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Can't s-off alpharev

Hi guys I'm trying to s-off using alpharev ISO disc...it goes through the process then after rebooting stage 3 I get 4 lines that say unary operator expected ... I shut down pc and phone boots as usual...
I'm running rxmix s v1.1

maybe change to stock ROM and try s-off again

Yes like the post above switch to a ROOTED stock froyo rom worked for me, the reason your getting errors is because the rom you are running has probably got data2whatever, data++ ect... this affects the alpha rev process.

Ditto above. Alpharev doesn't work on a2sd or similar ROMs... Look back a couple pages and you'll see I started a thread with the same issue. I'm on IC GB a2sd+...
Once pc is repaired, I plan to load stock Telstra RUU and try again, then re-root...

bailz2506 said:
Hi guys I'm trying to s-off using alpharev ISO disc...it goes through the process then after rebooting stage 3 I get 4 lines that say unary operator expected ... I shut down pc and phone boots as usual...
I'm running rxmix s v1.1
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First, you better use USB stick instead of a disc, it is faster a more reliable.
Secondly, you won't be able to get s-off unless you flash either stock rom or AOSP rom ( oxygen worked for me without any problems).

mikeraul said:
First, you better use USB stick instead of a disc, it is faster a more reliable.
Secondly, you won't be able to get s-off unless you flash either stock rom or AOSP rom ( oxygen worked for me without any problems).
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+1, I s-off my phone with oxygen running on it.

ThaNx everyone for the help will try it that way and let you all no if it worked
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thanks everyone for the help it worked fine now i have fully rooted and s-offed htc desire...now to get back into the flashing fun.
When the moderator reads this i have no problems if this thread is deleted thanks again

bailz2506 said:
thanks everyone for the help it worked fine now i have fully rooted and s-offed htc desire...now to get back into the flashing fun.
When the moderator reads this i have no problems if this thread is deleted thanks again
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Happy to hear

Hi folks. Writing this without any hope that someone is online at the moment.
I'm currently using alpharev to flash HBOOT on my htc desire. It has stucked on step 3 with two lines on phone's screen:
Aplharev SPLBOOT version 2.0
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Normal NAND detected. Non-PVT4
and keeps hanging like that nearly an hour already.
The phone is rooted, with Clockworkmod recovery and InserCoin 2.0.1 DATA2EXT ROM installed.
Did anybody have the same behaviour while flashing HBOOT?
Should I be patient and wait for some miracle to happen?
thanks in advance.

Are you S-Off already??

use the new S-OFF utility. It's a lot quicker and easier. Just make sure you uninstall HTC Sync, or at least make sure it isn't running.

777ace said:
Are you S-Off already??
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no...
just saw here an advice to wait for a long term and the to pull out the battery and reboot.
did as he said.
device is rebooting in fastboot mode...
will try to restore previous ROM from recovery mode...

n0vice said:
no...
just saw here an advice to wait for a long term and the to pull out the battery and reboot.
did as he said.
device is rebooting in fastboot mode...
will try to restore previous ROM from recovery mode...
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try it with the new utility.. it should work for you..

finally I've restored my previous ROM (and sh*tted a pile of bricks during this hour).
HBOOT screen says that my device is still S-ON. strange... maybe that's because of 'DATA2EXT' ROM onboard.
bortak said:
use the new "...revolutionary.io/" S-OFF utility. It's a lot quicker and easier. Just make sure you uninstall HTC Sync, or at least make sure it isn't running.
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thanks. I'll try it when my hands will stop shaking

You won't be able to alter HBoot without S-Off...
I am not sure how the new Utility that bortak linked to works, but I know that the "old" alpharev will not S-Off if you are using A2SD/D2SD/D2EXT type ROMs. You will need to flash stock RUU (do not use latest GB update RUU!!!), or one of the AOSP ROMs, such as Oxygen, before proceeding.
Once you have S-Off, you can go back and re-root, then upgrade your HBoot etc.

777ace said:
You won't be able to alter HBoot without S-Off...
I am not sure how the new Utility that bortak linked to works, but I know that the "old" alpharev will not S-Off if you are using A2SD/D2SD/D2EXT type ROMs. You will need to flash stock RUU (do not use latest GB update RUU!!!), or one of the AOSP ROMs, such as Oxygen, before proceeding.
Once you have S-Off, you can go back and re-root, then upgrade your HBoot etc.
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thanks. I'll follow your advice.
I'm still wondering, why TUT-makers didn't mention this A2SD/D2SD/D2EXT ROMs inconsistency.
I think this should be written in large letters on the first line for noobs like me

Lol, you're right on that!!
If you look on alpharev site, it is mentioned in the text, but VERY small!
Requirements:
The only requirement right now is that the ROM you're running is rooted.
As techniques such as 'data2ext' have been popping up, these might disturb our finely-tuned flashing process.
Please revert to a rooted stock ROM if possible. Your /data partition is used for temporary storage of important files.
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I missed it the first time also, had lots of dramas, and finally spotted that note after many frustrating hours. It should have been written in bright red, 72 cap at the top of screen!!

You need to use an a2sd Rom like lee Droid 2.5.
Alpha rev state this at start of web page using data2sd can cause problems.
Flash lee Droid 2.5 and try it again, you should be fine
Kind regards
John
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It is being said on Alpharev website under "requirements".
Though I agree it should be said in tutorials too.
n0vice said:
thanks. I'll follow your advice.
I'm still wondering, why TUT-makers didn't mention this A2SD/D2SD/D2EXT ROMs inconsistency.
I think this should be written in large letters on the first line for noobs like me
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Return to stock

hey everyone. I am a bit confused, and i would greatly appreciate your help. So I have a Desire Z from bell. Currently this is what I see when i hold vol down, and power:
Vision PVT SHIP S-ON
H-Boot- 0.81.0000
Microp- 0425
eMMc- boot
Sep 2 2010.17:59:38
So I want to get it back to stock. simply just like out of the box. I do have a back up, BUT it still keeps clock work mod recovery. Which I want to get rid of too. like I said JUST LIKE OUT OF THE BOX. So i was doing some research, and I found that a way to do that is to flash to spf file. I dont really know what that is, but I am assuming it a complete stock rom? (correct me, thank you.) So If any of you could provide me with that file, or tell me how to go about doing this, I would be very very thankful. Again, Thank you for all your help.

HeatRyder said:
hey everyone. I am a bit confused, and i would greatly appreciate your help. So I have a Desire Z from bell. Currently this is what I see when i hold vol down, and power:
Vision PVT SHIP S-ON
H-Boot- 0.81.0000
Microp- 0425
eMMc- boot
Sep 2 2010.17:59:38
So I want to get it back to stock. simply just like out of the box. I do have a back up, BUT it still keeps clock work mod recovery. Which I want to get rid of too. like I said JUST LIKE OUT OF THE BOX. So i was doing some research, and I found that a way to do that is to flash to spf file. I dont really know what that is, but I am assuming it a complete stock rom? (correct me, thank you.) So If any of you could provide me with that file, or tell me how to go about doing this, I would be very very thankful. Again, Thank you for all your help.
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Hmm not sure what that spf method is. Simply find the thread with all pc10img.zips in it, and find your stock rom. Flash in the bootloader and your good to go!
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xsteven77x said:
Hmm not sure what that spf method is. Simply find the thread with all pc10img.zips in it, and find your stock rom. Flash in the bootloader and your good to go!
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omg thank you. that makes sense. the only thing is how do I find the right one?
This is what I see in my software information:
Android Version: 2.2
Baseband Version: 12.22.60.09bU_26.02.01.15_M2
Kernel Version: 2.6.32.21
Build number: 1.34.666.5
Software number:1.34.666.5
Btw doing this will get rid of clockwork mod too right? THANK YOU!!!!

Do you have a g2 buddy? Or is it a desire? If it's g2 i can definitely help ya Edit: LOL nevermind i see that its a desire z. Go to this page....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#ROMs
Hopefully that at least gets ya in the right direction cause i dont know much about desire z

If your phone has been updated with an ota, it might not be so easy to install a pc10img unless the pc10img IS the ota update. The phone not being rooted and s-on will not let you "downgrade" versions. There may be an easier way, but if you can't simply flash a pc10img, you may have to actually go through all the steps to root/s-off it, THEN you can install the original pc10img.
Hopefully someone with more knowledge with me will just know how to flash the stock recovery if nothing else for you. Here's hoping!

xsteven77x said:
If your phone has been updated with an ota, it might not be so easy to install a pc10img unless the pc10img IS the ota update. The phone not being rooted and s-on will not let you "downgrade" versions. There may be an easier way, but if you can't simply flash a pc10img, you may have to actually go through all the steps to root/s-off it, THEN you can install the original pc10img.
Hopefully someone with more knowledge with me will just know how to flash the stock recovery if nothing else for you. Here's hoping!
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k so right now i am just gonna s-off. then i will try the pc10img again. hopefully it will work, and i will be back to how it was out of the box. without clockwork and root and etc.Thank you so far.

Your welcome. Even after you flash the pc10img it will still be s-off. Just follow the directions that wiki page i gave you to put s back on. It will involve getting temp root on your new stock rom, and having gfree put s back on. Dont worry, it cleans up and does not leave ANY trace that you did the temp root (if you have to send it back or something). Let me know how it goes! I'm watching this in case you need help.

xsteven77x said:
Your welcome. Even after you flash the pc10img it will still be s-off. Just follow the directions that wiki page i gave you to put s back on. It will involve getting temp root on your new stock rom, and having gfree put s back on. Dont worry, it cleans up and does not leave ANY trace that you did the temp root (if you have to send it back or something). Let me know how it goes! I'm watching this in case you need help.
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okay so far i have turned s-off. it was a bit of a process but i did it. now i need the pc10img. i am having trouble finding the right one. i looked at the forum u gave me, but i still dont understand which one i should use. btw i have my desire z with bell. i also gave some information above. so what do u suggest?

you would want your hboot to say s on instead of s-off if you are returning to stock
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im0rtalz said:
you would want your hboot to say s on instead of s-off if you are returning to stock
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You even confused me with that one. If he was s-on and that start of all of this, the hboot s-stuff has nothing to do with it. Even if it did, installing the pc10img will replace the hboot with the correct one. He used gfree (i think) to get s-off.
I'm sorry OP if i had a desire i would be able to give u the right version to install If you look in the main dev forum i'm sure there is a topic called return desire to stock, and find the pc10img that they recommend. That would be my next suggestion since i really dont know about that phone

xsteven77x said:
You even confused me with that one. If he was s-on and that start of all of this, the hboot s-stuff has nothing to do with it. Even if it did, installing the pc10img will replace the hboot with the correct one. He used gfree (i think) to get s-off.
I'm sorry OP if i had a desire i would be able to give u the right version to install If you look in the main dev forum i'm sure there is a topic called return desire to stock, and find the pc10img that they recommend. That would be my next suggestion since i really dont know about that phone
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I searched a lot. i think my brain is going to explode. I just cant find the right RUU. i tried a couple and they all turn in to error [158] image error. I am so confused at this moment.
I tried RUU_Vision_BellMobility_WWE_1.34.666.1_Radio_12.28b.60.140e_26.03.02.18_M2_release_154437_signed.exe which should work. but it still says error 158. i dont know how to get through this.

okay so i am unrooting now. BUT another roadblock. hboot wont install pc10img it says parsing then returns to the main menu of hboot. i have double checked everything, the image is legit, and the name is fine. when i try to install it through clockwork it says error (bad). i am confused. i will appreciate any help. if u need the firmware info and all, please look at the first few posts.

How to Downgrade to Froyo after installing HTC Stock Gingerbread

friend need help i installed HTC Gingerbread which the up on developer website on 1st of aug. now i want to downgrade it to stock froyo.
how to do?
help

Oh i dunno maybe if you put this question in the right place then yes it would be answers for you..
There is a Q&A section for you to put this question in don't waste developers time and mods time by putting your question here. you will get flamed just a fair warning I'm not mad just saying...

Dont think its possible Teppic74's downgrader wouldn't work on the ARA build, so doubt it will work like this.

lovalim said:
friend need help i installed HTC Gingerbread which the up on developer website on 1st of aug. now i want to downgrade it to stock froyo.
how to do?
help
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You should had to ask this in your mind before flashing an RUU that contain an hboot update!

Go to www.shipped-roms.com and find the froyo RUU and flash it, it should downgrade your hboot and you should be able to root again. If you have a branded desire you’re going to need goldcard.
I you dont know how to Flash a RUU use the search function

3f1f37 said:
Go to www.shipped-roms.com and find the froyo RUU and flash it, it should downgrade your hboot and you should be able to root again. If you have a branded desire you’re going to need goldcard.
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It's reported to not work! The new hboot does not allow to flash an older hboot.

An S-off could have protected him. Have you tried the new AlpharevX to try and S-Off ur device? If it works, you can reverse the process later.

droidzone said:
An S-off could have protected him. Have you tried the new AlpharevX to try and S-Off ur device? If it works, you can reverse the process later.
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The new s-off tool wont work, it says that your device is currently unsupported.

nickislauw said:
The new s-off tool wont work, it says that your device is currently unsupported.
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Try their irc channel as well. It could be a 'soft' incompatibility, wherein they've disabled it because they havent yet tested it.
Is there no other rootable rom of the same hboot?

1. wrong section
2. every time the same, people will first flash and ask questions later

JeckyllHavok said:
1. wrong section
2. every time the same, people will first flash and ask questions later
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1. Agreed
2. Agreed.
Sent from my CM7.1 Desire using XDA Premium App

My downgrade tool almost certainly won't work on this. However, if someone manages to root this version, there's a good chance it will.

teppic74 said:
My downgrade tool almost certainly won't work on this. However, if someone manages to root this version, there's a good chance it will.
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Paul Obrien did. Someone might ask him how to
he also flashed the hboot that came with the update.

Flashmaniac said:
Paul Obrien did. Someone might ask him how to
he also flashed the hboot that came with the update.
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If I not wrong, was a temp root anyway. But if Paul flashed the new hboot, this is a good news for those that flashed it too. He will of course find the way to change rom

timmaaa said:
1. Agreed
2. Agreed.
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I agree as well, but in the meantime there possibly are a few thousand Desire users who want this problem solved. Another possibility is that people who waited for the GB-update want to root after this disappointing update. They also might be potential donators (including me), so please get root for the official GB-update up and running!
Thanks in advance!

Hello mates, i'm having the same issue, just want to downgrade back to froyo and i can't do it because of the hboot . i've tried with unrewoked, went to shipped roms but nothing succeded.. can you please, tell me if someone managed to fix it ? thanks.

I know its frustrating but you will probably have to wait, keep an eye on the Desire Android Development section, I'm sure when theres a fix the devs will post it up there for you
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Just read on a dutch forum that the unrevoked / alpharev guys will release a new version of their root/s-off tool, probably next week, with support for the desire new hboot! http://revolutionary.io/
The dutch forum post: http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_message/36540480#36540480

lovalim said:
Just read on a dutch forum that the unrevoked / alpharev guys will release a new version of their root/s-off tool, probably next week, with support for the desire new hboot! http://revolutionary.io/
The dutch forum post: http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_message/36540480#36540480
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I wouldn't read too much into that necessarily. A post on this forum thought I was working on rooting desire 2.3
Unfortunately your link is in dutch, so I cannot see any "official Sources" in it.

Well I stand corrected.
http://revolutionary.io/
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[Q] Unrevoked not downloading

The other day my phone just decided it wanted to get stuck on the HTC loading screen without being able to get into recovery and flashing back to a previous point, I had to go back to square 1 and flash back to stock.
So this morning I'm going about re-rooting and re-flashing a rom etc. However I have tried to download unrevoked 3 and it says it can't find the page when i go to download, does anyone have a different download for it.
A second question, I debranded my phone will it still be debranded or re-branded? is there anyway to find out?

Which version has your hboot? Because if it's high enough, you should use revolutionary:
http://revolutionary.io
There you get rooting plus S-OFF in two very easy steps.
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its 0.93.0001 any idea about the debranding issue?

Well unrevoked could do it, but go ahead and use revolutionary instead. You'll get root and s-off.
It's pretty much unrevoked and alpharev combined, and it has been updated to support the newest hboot versions.

mortenmhp said:
Well unrevoked could do it, but go ahead and use revolutionary instead. You'll get root and s-off.
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Thats the issue, I can't actually download unrevoked but I'll go ahead and use revolutionary. Thanks for the help.

SxcKieranGrr said:
Thats the issue, I can't actually download unrevoked but I'll go ahead and use revolutionary. Thanks for the help.
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I did get that part and that was why I supplied you with another tool to use instead. I simply wanted to inform you that i case unrevoked would come back up that hboot was supported.

mortenmhp said:
I did get that part and that was why I supplied you with another tool to use instead. I simply wanted to inform you that i case unrevoked would come back up that hboot was supported.
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Ok thankyou. I've just noticed my phone is resetting itself alot with the stock rom. I always thought this was the rom I had running that it was unstable. I guess this means there's an issue with the phone. I think it's over heating, is this an issue i need to send off to HTC for?

Sounds like a motherboard issue to me
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[Q] AAHK Failed..

hi folks,
i've just got a DHD from one of my friend which may or may not got the 2.3.5 originally. (could through update).. and then i decide to use AAHK in order to downgrade it ,root it so that it would be able to flash custom ROMS.
however, my machine DID downgrade to 2.2(maybe) and sucessfully got into the system,after couple settings, it continues to downgrade i guess? finally it says success etc. and i'd decide to turn to the HBOOT menu and discover.
what the AAHK DID changed is that the HBOOT Version changed to 0.85.0024 instead of 2.XX originally. and of course the date change as well, also the recovery was installed.
However, whatsmore worth notice is that it's still SHIP S-ON. I'd decide to ignore it and tried to turn on the device. but it stays at the first screen, which is the HTC one. moreover, i've decide to wipe data and cache in order to test again, fail.
furthermore, i've tried to flash one of my 4.0.3 ROMs and the machine replied success whereas the reboot also remain at the HTC screen .
Help Help Help!

kzssc said:
hi folks,
i've just got a DHD from one of my friend which may or may not got the 2.3.5 originally. (could through update).. and then i decide to use AAHK in order to downgrade it ,root it so that it would be able to flash custom ROMS.
however, my machine DID downgrade to 2.2(maybe) and sucessfully got into the system,after couple settings, it continues to downgrade i guess? finally it says success etc. and i'd decide to turn to the HBOOT menu and discover.
what the AAHK DID changed is that the HBOOT Version changed to 0.85.0024 instead of 2.XX originally. and of course the date change as well, also the recovery was installed.
However, whatsmore worth notice is that it's still SHIP S-ON. I'd decide to ignore it and tried to turn on the device. but it stays at the first screen, which is the HTC one. moreover, i've decide to wipe data and cache in order to test again, fail.
furthermore, i've tried to flash one of my 4.0.3 ROMs and the machine replied success whereas the reboot also remain at the HTC screen .
Help Help Help!
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Ok, let's just start from the beginning: The Hack didn´t fail, you in fact did to follow the instructions in the manual.
1) The downgrade from the 2.3.5 android version is always done to a 2.3.3 android version and 2.1 sense version. A froyo RUU will definetely mess your bootloader.
2) the downgrade is not the whole process but the first part. Once the downgrade is done you should have run the kit again to gain S-OFF and Root.
3) If you are S-ON you can't install a custom recovery, so there's something that is not correct in what you say.
4) Then u say that the device stays at the splash screen and that is HTC ONE, if you phone is the ONE you can´t use the Kit as it is just for ACE (Inspire / DHD).
5) Again, If you are S-ON you CAN´T flash a custom rom...
My advice is that u flash the RUU the Hack Kit used to do the downgrade, run it again and then, run the Hack Kit in order to gain S-OFF and Root. But this time, please follow the instructions in the effen manual....

no no... okay. its my problem of phrasing the sentense..
well.. i donno.. but the fact is i'm able to get into the recovery.. and my phone is definitely DHD..(sorry about my sentence)
and i tried to connect to the computer and redo the AAHK,,but the AAHK just don't recognises my phone 'cause it's the USB debugging is not on..(i'm not able to get in the system, i just use the fastboot..)

kzssc said:
no no... okay. its my problem of phrasing the sentense..
well.. i donno.. but the fact is i'm able to get into the recovery.. and my phone is definitely DHD..(sorry about my sentence)
and i tried to connect to the computer and redo the AAHK,,but the AAHK just don't recognises my phone 'cause it's the USB debugging is not on..(i'm not able to get in the system, i just use the fastboot..)
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If you factory reset the device then you won´t have usb debugging...hit the IRC Channel and we will lend u a hand...
find the address in the thread....

glevitan said:
Ok, let's just start from the beginning: The Hack didn´t fail, you in fact did to follow the instructions in the manual.
1) The downgrade from the 2.3.5 android version is always done to a 2.3.3 android version and 2.1 sense version. A froyo RUU will definetely mess your bootloader.
2) the downgrade is not the whole process but the first part. Once the downgrade is done you should have run the kit again to gain S-OFF and Root.
3) If you are S-ON you can't install a custom recovery, so there's something that is not correct in what you say.
4) Then u say that the device stays at the splash screen and that is HTC ONE, if you phone is the ONE you can´t use the Kit as it is just for ACE (Inspire / DHD).
5) Again, If you are S-ON you CAN´T flash a custom rom...
My advice is that u flash the RUU the Hack Kit used to do the downgrade, run it again and then, run the Hack Kit in order to gain S-OFF and Root. But this time, please follow the instructions in the effen manual....
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um.. thanks for the advice.. and.. how can i flash the RUU? sorry that i haven't done this before, would u mind to teach me for a bit?..

kzssc said:
um.. thanks for the advice.. and.. how can i flash the RUU? sorry that i haven't done this before, would u mind to teach me for a bit?..
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Hit the IRC Channel...

glevitan said:
Ok, let's just start from the beginning: The Hack didn´t fail, you in fact did to follow the instructions in the manual.
1) The downgrade from the 2.3.5 android version is always done to a 2.3.3 android version and 2.1 sense version. A froyo RUU will definetely mess your bootloader.
2) the downgrade is not the whole process but the first part. Once the downgrade is done you should have run the kit again to gain S-OFF and Root.
3) If you are S-ON you can't install a custom recovery, so there's something that is not correct in what you say.
4) Then u say that the device stays at the splash screen and that is HTC ONE, if you phone is the ONE you can´t use the Kit as it is just for ACE (Inspire / DHD).
5) Again, If you are S-ON you CAN´T flash a custom rom...
My advice is that u flash the RUU the Hack Kit used to do the downgrade, run it again and then, run the Hack Kit in order to gain S-OFF and Root. But this time, please follow the instructions in the effen manual....
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um.. i think i get into the IRC thing..... sorry that i'm a newcomer.. who are you btw?

kzssc said:
um.. i think i get into the IRC thing..... sorry that i'm a newcomer.. who are you btw?
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In the IRC? glevitan...you will find me easily. If not any of the guys there will lend u a hand...

glevitan said:
In the IRC? glevitan...you will find me easily. If not any of the guys there will lend u a hand...
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um.. which one are you in? i've searched several.. but couldn't find u, i'll stick with u since u r experiencedXD. thanks thanks thanks

kzssc said:
um.. which one are you in? i've searched several.. but couldn't find u, i'll stick with u since u r experiencedXD. thanks thanks thanks
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Try this one....
webchat.freenode.net