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Hello to All
I have seen many people search for the answer to the question I have, does our MDA CIII have WLAN or not?
There is an extensive thread on that topic, with no real conclusion, so i thought i open a new one, and throw some new ideas and questions into the room.
First of all:
I own a Arte110 i was one of the first ones to get it in Austria, i bought it right when it hit T-mobile stores on the 02.11, back then the Austrian webpage advertised it has WLAN, the German webpage never claimed that, so when i was standing in the store i asked once more, and the guy said no WLAN, in that moment i didnt think much, since the device was very nice, and there was no alternative for me, since my other phones was stollen a couple of days before, and i was in a hurry to get a new mobile.
Well now i do miss WLAN, and i am trying everything to get to it
I checked the dutch page yesterday, it still says WLAN, can it be that T-mobile doesnt supply some of its biggest markets (German, Austria) without WLAN, but it does so in the Dutch market. It doesnt even make sense to buy two different pieces of HArdware when they order in masses.
SO how come we dont get WLAN and they do! And seemingly some dutch friends have confirmed their devices have WLAN. I am planing to confront T-mobile Austria on that and see what they say, did any one do that already?
Further i tried talking up HTC, but they didnt help much, told me to go talk to t-mobile.
Now a question to the technical guys around, being an Electronic Engineer myself, i am very interested in playing around to get this WLAN mystery solved, so i am in the search of following things:
a. Any one take one of these things appart?
b. Any way to get our hands on infromation concearing wireing, chipsets, and the inside of the device? I found this italian website which had a block diagram of the new HTC 4000-something model, it would be nice to have something like that for our MDA, would solve many questions.
c. What type of USB does our device have, is it client only or does it also support host? if so we would work out an external solution! That would be great if it would support host function, specialy for all other kind of applications.
d. Any idea where we could get such info from
Thanks to all
And dont give up until we have a prove that the Hardware for WLAN is missing in our devices!
The extensive thread you refer to has most of the answers to your questions, I think, on the penultimate page. The outfit who unlocked the phone said it wasn't an Artemis model (the United Kingdom MDAIII enquired about and similar to the German/Austrian I believe) but a Hero and it didn't have wireless lan.
They also said the Artemis and Hero looked cosmetically identical but were different inside...
I must admit that I find it strange that the Dutch went for the Artemis model and the others the Hero. You would have thought that the entire European operation would have made a bulk purchase.
well i have still no information on the USB?
Mtheory said:
Hello to All
I have seen many people search for the answer to the question I have, does our MDA CIII have WLAN or not?
There is an extensive thread on that topic, with no real conclusion, so i thought i open a new one, and throw some new ideas and questions into the room.
First of all:
I own a Arte110 i was one of the first ones to get it in Austria, i bought it right when it hit T-mobile stores on the 02.11, back then the Austrian webpage advertised it has WLAN, the German webpage never claimed that, so when i was standing in the store i asked once more, and the guy said no WLAN, in that moment i didnt think much, since the device was very nice, and there was no alternative for me, since my other phones was stollen a couple of days before, and i was in a hurry to get a new mobile.
Well now i do miss WLAN, and i am trying everything to get to it
I checked the dutch page yesterday, it still says WLAN, can it be that T-mobile doesnt supply some of its biggest markets (German, Austria) without WLAN, but it does so in the Dutch market. It doesnt even make sense to buy two different pieces of HArdware when they order in masses.
SO how come we dont get WLAN and they do! And seemingly some dutch friends have confirmed their devices have WLAN. I am planing to confront T-mobile Austria on that and see what they say, did any one do that already?
Further i tried talking up HTC, but they didnt help much, told me to go talk to t-mobile.
Now a question to the technical guys around, being an Electronic Engineer myself, i am very interested in playing around to get this WLAN mystery solved, so i am in the search of following things:
a. Any one take one of these things appart?
b. Any way to get our hands on infromation concearing wireing, chipsets, and the inside of the device? I found this italian website which had a block diagram of the new HTC 4000-something model, it would be nice to have something like that for our MDA, would solve many questions.
c. What type of USB does our device have, is it client only or does it also support host? if so we would work out an external solution! That would be great if it would support host function, specialy for all other kind of applications.
d. Any idea where we could get such info from
Thanks to all
And dont give up until we have a prove that the Hardware for WLAN is missing in our devices!
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Hehe, hello
I'm from austria too and did already much research but gave it up. There is some kind of proof that wifi is not built in. Great to see some support from austria . I suggest you ment that thread didn't you?
greets from vienna
Hi
Nice to see your replies. But i still havent seen any answer to my most important question:
IS THE USB ON THE MDAC III a full USB OR ONLY CLIENT? i have not seen an answer in any of the forums, thanks
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Nice to see your replies. But i still havent seen any answer to my most important question:
IS THE USB ON THE MDAC III a full USB OR ONLY CLIENT? i have not seen an answer in any of the forums, thanks
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Afaik it's client only... though I'm not completely sure.
We should really find out, cuz if its a full functioning USB, one could try getting a WLAN to work on it externally.
I must say i still have hopes of having the hardware inside...these dutch people, why do they get WLAN? i dont understand. They should help us out with a ROM...it would be redicoulus if T-mobile only supplied them with WLAN (no offense i like holland, but still this gets me mad)
I will contact T-mobile tomorrow and have a word with them!
If the USB is only a client, how is hte antenna recognized via USB?
I don't think, that the antenna has to be recognized as a "Device"... It is just a cable, that is connected to the right Pins in the USB Connector. A normal FM Radio surely does not recognize the Antenna as a device, almost any cable can do the job if connected to the Antenne Input of the Radio....At least i'd say
ok explanation taken...i was hoping for a bit more hightec...but that goes too...(and is absolutly right).
So no one around her believes that the USB could also be a host?
The Omap850 can handle usb on-the-go. See here: http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wt...lateId=6123&navigationId=12000&contentId=4679
German USB-On-The-GO Description (german): http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/23696
We can also see that wlan a/b/g is on chip but wth is wiLink?! or mWLAN.
greets
THIS IS great, thanks...I was looking for a block diagramm...now lets look what the chip can do...
Thanks
Ok i figured what the WiLink is, and its sounds really good for us, since it seems to be part of the MDAC III architecture:
"WiLink™ 5.0 platform is the industry's first solution that integrates mobile WLAN (mWLAN), Bluetooth® and FM stereo audio all in a space-saving platform for mobile phones."
Sounds like the functionality of our MDAC III, only that Austria/German/UK doesnt have the GOD DAMN WLAN activated (i hate you dutch guys... )
SO now following question, if the WLAN is intergrated on the OMAP, it cannot be removed by HW...but only be deactivated via firmware. The question is now, does the OMAP need some co-processor to make use of WLAN, or only an antenna, now if it needs an antenna, then it could well be that Tmobile removed this Antenna!
I will do further technical research on this
it does seem to miss integrated WLAN: "54-Mbps WLAN interface" i think when they talk of interfaces, the only mean it supports some WLAN chip to work with it...
Hmm, you can see that that WiLink/mWLAN stuff is not on chip. It's some external circuit which possibly does not exist on our mdac3. Though... proove me wrong and we are best friends
Mtheory said:
it does seem to miss integrated WLAN: "54-Mbps WLAN interface" i think when they talk of interfaces, the only mean it supports some WLAN chip to work with it...
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Ahm, yes... I was 2 minutes too late... I btw already installed the wifi-driver from a dutch mdac3 and it didn't work. It is still possible that i did something wrong when doing this.
We need a Dutch ROM
g´d evening,
now that there are several dumps of pro roms doing it´s rounds - i was wondering if there are any news about a possible tv-out in the diamond. last time i checked the forum and the news on various sites there was mentioned that they share the same hw (exept for the keyboard). so, is there any chance that we´ll ever be able to hook it up to our tvs?
this model don't have TV-Out, the only connector is mini USBext (= mini usb + stereo headtset )
Yes but the Diamond Pro also have the same connection and has a cable with the s-video out function...
TarKin - interesting proposition. By maybe I think that we won't know until some of our cookers get hold of some HTC touch pro roms. Also I think that it is not a s-video out - only composite video?
Okay if there is a TV out on this Jewel THATS it!!!
Best device ever!
By farrrr
timn2087 said:
TarKin - interesting proposition. By maybe I think that we won't know until some of our cookers get hold of some HTC touch pro roms. Also I think that it is not a s-video out - only composite video?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406943
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=410305
It seems that they've already seen it... let's hope...
Charge or synchronise your HTC Touch Diamond simply by placing the device in the cradle connector. You can plug the desktop cradle into a home stereo system via the cradle’s 3.5mm line out connection to enjoy high quality music playback.
Intergrated Spare Battery Charger
It can be charged and synchronised with HTC Touch Diamond AC Adaptor UK TC B100 (not included) or HTC Touch Diamond Data Cable DC U300 (USB/miniUSB) (not included).
This cradle comes with two inserts (the plastic holders) for Touch Diamond and Touch Diamond extended battery and it also supports the inline connection of the following optional accessories:
HTC Touch Diamond Multifunction Audio Cable YC A200
TV Out Cable TC A110 (pre-release)
This is for the desktop cradle for the touch diamond, gotten from expansys. dont know if it has anything to say, but i hope so
yes the cable does Exist for the Diamond, though its not available in the Current ROM hence why the adapter is "pre-release".
@walshieau
do i understand you correctly: *your* opinion is that it´s just a matter of time until we´ll see a working tv-out (rom+cable) or the diamond? is that correct?
TarKin said:
@walshieau
do i understand you correctly: *your* opinion is that it´s just a matter of time until we´ll see a working tv-out (rom+cable) or the diamond? is that correct?
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yes that is correct
Sounds really really interesting...
A TV out on HTC Diamond!! So good!!
It must have some kind ov Video output!
Check this demonstration! His fooling around with a Dimond connected to a TV.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTd3SUPSJsM
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Well, when the Gameboy was released, you could play tetris on TVs in the shops. For many years I thought "hey, they might bring out a tv adapter someday". They never did.
But hey, this is 2008 ! everything is possible !
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It must have some kind ov Video output!
Check this demonstration! His fooling around with a Dimond connected to a TV.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTd3SUPSJsM
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it`s probably not an TV but beamer connected to pc which is connected with diamond through BT or WiFi and some software for presenting mode ?
I already have the mini USB to VGA out connector! Yes, from the HTC Athena. Only if the ROM is ready, id be glad to test it out.
Regards,
Carty..
Nicee...let´s wait for the rom...or a cab to update drivers, theres already diamond pro roms out there..lets see if anyone can find out if it realy have tv-out he only thing missing in this beaty
Ridiculous
How many other threads related to this should be initiated of what we already have?
it does not belong in here (ROM thread)
it belongs in accesories as we talk about a cable yes? ,
When using the Search function "vide out" you'll find plenty of posts - threads already.
Expansys has- had removed the cable (picture) from all their websites for unknown reason otherwise you will see how it look. Easy to copy-cat.
And for God sake yes, spread the following math:
11(or 16pin TBC) USB to Cinch Cable + Rom tweak = Video out
(though this needs to be proven. ... Same as the never found solution for the TytnII drivers)
ceevee369 said:
How many other threads related to this should be initiated of what we already have?
it does not belong in here (ROM thread)
it belongs in accesories as we talk about a cable yes? ,
When using the Search function "vide out" you'll find plenty of posts - threads already.
Expansys has- had removed the cable (picture) from all their websites for unknown reason otherwise you will see how it look. Easy to copy-cat.
And for God sake yes, spread the following math:
11(or 16pin TBC) USB to Cinch Cable + Rom tweak = Video out
(though this needs to be proven. ... Same as the never found solution for the TytnII drivers)
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Hello, this is definitely about ROM thread *we are talking about whether the ROM supports TV out* we are not merely talking about some lead. If the ROM supports TV out, we could either use the lead from the Touch Pro, or we could make our own. Until it comes to the issue of "leads" this will remain a ROM issue. Perhaps when we are discussing leads and adapters we will need to use the "accessories" area, and then you can contribute some helpful infos. cheers
Bullocks. but... whatever you say .. whatever you say.
I won't argue. I am too old for this
Anyone used the search function on "video out" no I guess?
Hello,
of course my HTC HD2 is able to connect to the internet by GPRS & UMTS, but I only have a corresponding data package in my home country. In every foreign country I would pay extra. Anyhow, most hotels provide free internet but sadly not always wireless... sometimes only a LAN cable is available. But how could I use the wired internet access with my smartphone which “only” supports all possible wireless connection types?
If I am informed correctly Apple’s AirPort Express would do the job - with that thing I could plug-in the hotel’s LAN cable and share the internet by W-LAN. Even as this device is small and portable, it can do much more which I do not need... and it currently costs about 84 euro - that's the main problem, it’s expensive.
So basically I have two questions... would the AirPort Express really perform the required job (use a hotel provided LAN to create a WiFi for accessing the internet by smartphone) and more importantly are there alternative devices available for less money which could achieve what I am looking for?
Maybe you can help me with a brilliant idea to solve my problem...
Regards,
DW!
I'm not exactly sure why you wouldnt just use any old router....they cost next to nothing.
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I'm not exactly sure why you wouldnt just use any old router....they cost next to nothing.
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That might be right, but it's not really portable... I would like to use something small and fancy maybe like the Apple thing reduced to the funtion I need for let's say 20 bucks...
I suffered the same problem before, hmmmmm.
I doubt you'll find anything for less than 60 unless its used. Just Simple access point is all you need. On amazon.com they have used linksys WAP54G
access points for 18 us dollars...
A smaller router will with out question cost more, but I am sure one that is not apple will cost more. Try amazon and see what comes up.
There are small stylish cheap routers out there to suit your needs.
P.S.: Look for Asus WL-330gE
Thanks for all your feedback... I found at amazon via the Asus a "LogiLink Wireless LAN Mini AP Router" (LogiLink® WL0083) for only 21,37 EUR... acc. to the reviews this gadget should do exactly what I need... nothing more but nothing less... I ordered it - let's see
i put a question on the Samsung question page for the galaxy w about how to get the phone to connect to a tv without allshare as we don't have that option.
it seems hard to word it how they want as they declined the question first time round but eventually accepted it and stated that i could use a 3.5mm to rca tv out cable but didn't state if anything needed to be done to enable a setting anywhere. now they won't allow the extra question so i just tried it in the tv but no good.
am i missing a setting somewhere maybe?
the posts that generally come up if i google it are for the galaxy s which has a specific setting for tv-out but the W doesn't.
bump, any ideas guys?
Don't know why but I do have all share on my phone if its missing from yours I guess you just have to add it.
see this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1465668
thanks for the reply mate.
i do have allshare but the tv doesn't utilise it as it's a Sony unless i am missing something.
thanks again, any other suggestions guys?
i spoke to samsung today who at first said the W could use a 3.5mm rca cable and to just enable tv-out in the display settings. when i told her that setting wasn't there she said she'd look into it more and get back to me, guess what, she didn't.
is this maybe a software thing with the hardware part being possibly capable of doing it or the opposite?
thanks guys
As far as I know, you can't do that directly.
I think the only way is to hook your computer/laptop to the TV and then use something like this method described here - howtogeek.com/howto/42491/how-to-remote-view-and-control-your-android-phone/ to stream the live video feed from your phone to your computer - and thus to your TV.
But again, I'm not entirely sure that you can't just directly hook the phone to the TV.
hi all!!! everyone have a nokia cable tv to try??? or a micro usb -> hdmi to try it??? i want to buy but i'm not sure if is good for own galaxy W....sorry for my bad english
Got to admit it sucks not having TV-Out when they say you do. I'm sure the phone is more than capable to do this.
I just tried the tv-out thing with a hdmi adaptor made by samsung and it dosent work at all.
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I just tried the tv-out thing with a hdmi adaptor made by samsung and it dosent work at all.
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RGA cable dude .. anyway.. i know its off topic but i need answer my GPS only works accurately when there is wifi/3G connection .? its hardware problem or what.? > , , < coz my galaxy Y works with and without wifi/3G
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RGA cable dude (
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I tried that and all I could get was sound and no picture. I even tried it by plugging the leads into a scart converter and still no luck. Care to explain how you got it working as I can't see any TV-Out option at all like in the Galaxy S?
blitz_32 said:
I tried that and all I could get was sound and no picture. I even tried it by plugging the leads into a scart converter and still no luck. Care to explain how you got it working as I can't see any TV-Out option at all like in the Galaxy S?
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RGA cable.. it had red yellow and white right.? maybe try to mix with other colors.. like red cable place into yellow. yellow cable place into red. and white cable place into white make a combination until it get color or as i read... they said... go to display.. then tv out.. ( not very sure coz i dont have my 2.5m-3.5m jack converter .. ( since i gonna use my old nokia RGA cable jajaja ) ( and sorry for my very bad english )
BTW.. someone said on other forums..
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I do agree that there is need of 3.5mm jack to the RCA TV out cable . [B]you have to enable tv-out into the display settings.[/B] you can also use DLNA if the your TV is having support for that. It is working great with this particular phone and Samsung or LG devices.
thats what they said
Yeah it had the red, yellow, white. Unlike the Galaxy S there is no option under display to enable TV-Out or in the AllShare either.
Ive tried too with an tv out cable from an old samsung omnia hd,it didnt work,even with an n95 nokia cable,nothing happened.seems that on the wonder,this posibilitty,is not part of his hardware.much of that,i dont know ....
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Ive tried too with an tv out cable from an old samsung omnia hd,it didnt work,even with an n95 nokia cable,nothing happened.seems that on the wonder,this posibilitty,is not part of his hardware.much of that,i dont know ....
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Honestly speaking there is no support
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Seems strange that Samsung in their 'Galaxy W' page of questions say it is possible with a rga cable. Just a shot in the dark and probably wrong but would it be feasible to take the TV-Out apk (if that's what it's called) from the galaxy S and put it on the W to try. Looking at this page but can't see it so probably not. Also way above my knowledge.
Just spoke to Samsung US support and the guy I spoke to said the US version does support Tv-Out through HDMI cable. He couldn't confirm though whether the European version did!
Edited version of our chat:
Chat Information You are now chatting with 'Daniel'. There will be a brief survey at the end of our chat to share feedback on my performance today.
Chat Information Your Issue ID for this chat is LTK56401024408X
Daniel: Hi, thank you for contacting Samsung Technical Support. How may I help you today?
Visitor: I have the Galaxy W and in you q & A page it says it has TV-Out but I need a RGA cable. Well I've tried this but there is no tv-out option on the phone under display. How do I enable it
Daniel: I understand that you want to connect your device to the TV. Is that correct?
Daniel: Did you purchase the device in US?
Visitor: no, uk
Daniel: As we are in chat support troubleshoot technical issues related to Samsung US devices. We do have details about Samsung US devices. We do not have any information regarding non U.S. devices.
Daniel: Yes, some US Galaxy models do have TV-out and can connect the device to TV using HDMI cable.
Visitor: ok, thanks. But can you confirm the us version supports hdmi out?
Daniel: Yes, US model does support HDMI cable.
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Seems strange that Samsung in their 'Galaxy W' page of questions say it is possible with a rga cable. Just a shot in the dark and probably wrong but would it be feasible to take the TV-Out apk (if that's what it's called) from the galaxy S and put it on the W to try. Looking at this page but can't see it so probably not. Also way above my yknowledge.
Just spoke to Samsung US support and the guy I spoke to said the US version does support Tv-Out through HDMI cable. He couldn't confirm though whether the European version did!
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Chat Information You are now chatting with 'Daniel'. There will be a brief survey at the end of our chat to share feedback on my performance today.
Chat Information Your Issue ID for this chat is LTK56401024408X
Daniel: Hi, thank you for contacting Samsung Technical Support. How may I help you today?
Visitor: I have the Galaxy W and in you q & A page it says it has TV-Out but I need a RGA cable. Well I've tried this but there is no tv-out option on the phone under display. How do I enable it
Daniel: I understand that you want to connect your device to the TV. Is that correct?
Daniel: Did you purchase the device in US?
Visitor: no, uk
Daniel: As we are in chat support troubleshoot technical issues related to Samsung US devices. We do have details about Samsung US devices. We do not have any information regarding non U.S. devices.
Daniel: Yes, some US Galaxy models do have TV-out and can connect the device to TV using HDMI cable.
Visitor: ok, thanks. But can you confirm the us version supports hdmi out?
Daniel: Yes, US model does support HDMI cable.
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how you contact the samsung support?? Plz tell how tbx.. btw they said u need rga cable. btw did u try what i said?? hehehe exampke.. place white cable to white outlet . red into yellow and yellow to red.. hehehe .. coz u said there is sound but no picture..
I went here http://www.samsung.com/us/support/. On the right is a mobile support live chat link, but will only help you if you bought your phone in the US.
Also the link for the TV-Out support page where they say RGA is supported. Scroll to the middle of the page.
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I went here http://www.samsung.com/us/support/. On the right is a mobile support live chat link, but will only help you if you bought your phone in the US.
Also the link for the TV-Out support page where they say RGA is supported. Scroll to the middle of the page.
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yea they said there that its posible ( maybe on theirmobile version .. BTW .. HOW U EVER TRY WHAT i said before ehehhe.? BTW i cant test it at all coz i dont have 2.5mm to 3.5mm converter yet :|.....
Ahmm Your Right P.S :| it only gain sound -.-"! and i cant see TV out options on my settings too :| so it means that galaxy W is not supported Tv out ?
Hi guys,
I've tested a TV DVB-T tuner on the Motorola Moto G and works flawlessly. You can check it on this review - sorry, it´s in Spanish but you can understand easily just watching it
cheers
DaRkToU said:
Hi guys,
I've tested a TV DVB-T tuner on the Motorola Moto G and works flawlessly. You can check it on this review - sorry, it´s in Spanish but you can understand easily just watching it
cheers
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Cool!
can you record on this, i seen something that looked like a record icon ?
tillaz said:
can you record on this, i seen something that looked like a record icon ?
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Yes you can. According to the guy explaining the functions, it is possible.
works in India?
I heard Delhi has the facility of airing DD channels...Anyone can confirm that?
Cheapest i could find here
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310802737212?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
the link in the video description on YouTube is cheaper http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...=B00DZR3OKS&linkCode=as2&tag=androidphoria-21
Any US links... the exchange rate from pounds is murder :/
wonder if any old pc tv usb dongle would work if connected via otg cable ?
shootomanUK said:
wonder if any old pc tv usb dongle would work if connected via otg cable ?
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I was thinking the same thing...
I haven't really had time to check, but any dvb-t stick that's been around for some time where the Linux kernel supports it "natively" should do, right?
gosa said:
I was thinking the same thing...
I haven't really had time to check, but any dvb-t stick that's been around for some time where the Linux kernel supports it "natively" should do, right?
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That depends. I have a few and they do vary in how much power they suck out of the usb port. I have a Hauppauge Hybrid 900 (950 in the US) that gets very hot and drinks power like an alchie. I also have an Asus mini 3000 I got for my eeePC 700 that sips very genteelly. Both have native Linux support but since I bought the above dongle, I won't be trying those.
The other problem is that you would need some android TV software that could interact with those sticks. The programs on Google Play seem to be very hardware specific.